TaylorMade M5 cracking already ???

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  • 3woodvt3woodvt 5 test drives for clubface contact. #footpowder Members Posts: 1,628 ✭✭
    edited Jan 31, 2019 12:44pm #152
    Just gonna sit back and wait/watch now. I think all sides of this issue have been raised to this point in here. Will be interesting to say the least on how it all shakes out. As someone else pointed out o this string...95% of the buyers are probably totally oblivious to this issue....it just seems like we have insider information. I may go and hit it and see if the salesman will bring it up when I point it out to him (assuming the CF is perfectly in tact). If the salesman doesn't is he either unaware or is TM not disclaiming this to their resellers? Is it a conspiracy? hhhmm
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  • chris975dchris975d GeorgiaClubWRX Posts: 1,912 ClubWRX
    dcmidnight wrote:

    chris975d wrote:


    I just personally think we need to wait and see what actually happens once the retail launch has occurred.




    You must be new here lol. So far I've seen one attributed picture from a tour head - and I dont even know who hit it - and then a bunch of second hand and third hand information. And its not that I dont believe those just right off the bat. But there are, I dont know, maybe a thousand steps between this and a "50% to 70%" failure rate or declaration of major design flaw or "bigger issue". Retail release literally just happened.



    All I know is that personally, with mine, I have seen zero issues with mine so far, using plastic tees stuck into a rubber range matt. I have hit maybe 200 balls with it. If mine starts to crack or I do have issues - see my previous threads - believe me, this forum will be the first to know.




    Lol. Not new here at all. Just trying to MAYBE inject some logic and reasoning into what's quickly sounding like a case of potential "tempest in a teacup". Yes, this COULD turn out to be a pain in the a**. But also, not a single area that has chipped or even cracked is a vital component of the club either. It's not like this would render these clubs unplayable, IF every one cracked. So I don't see it as a MAJOR design flaw. If mine does crack when it gets here, yes, it's a bit of a bummer, but from what I can see, I could still play the club until I can get a replacement. I'm not sure how others have returned clubs with defects/warranty issues in the the past, but I've been selling clubs for 20+ years. Every single warranty claim I've ever submitted has had the replacement shipped to me (my account) first, before the club in question has to be returned. So the customer is never out of his club more than the time it takes the replacement to reach the accountholder. And this is every single manufacturer I've ever sold, unless the club is out of production and still under warranty (some older PINGs I've dealt with this on). So if this does become a widespread issue, it looks (to me) like you could play your damaged driver right up until your replacement arrives, then send the cracked one back.
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  • chris975dchris975d GeorgiaClubWRX Posts: 1,912 ClubWRX
    dcmidnight wrote:


    And look, I spent a ton of time at the two local Golfsmiths before they closed, hitting way too many balls without buying stuff. But if I judged every OEM by what happened to their demo clubs at a store like that - I would never buy anything.




    I'm hosting a big TM fitting event next weekend. I'll see the all the fitting heads my guy has, and can see first hand how potentially big this issue is. No heads take worse abuse than those...they see thousands of BAD strikes a year, and they've already hosted quite a few events.
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  • ChristopherMcDonaldChristopherMcDonald Members Posts: 2,396 ✭✭
    This thread is simply fantastic. Got my popcorn ready
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  • HipCheckHipCheck Toed it a lil, Romes. The Right CoastMarshals Posts: 6,234 mod
    edited Jan 31, 2019 12:48pm #156


    This thread is simply fantastic. Got my popcorn ready




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  • 3 Jack Par3 Jack Par I only answer to "Ace" now Members, ClubWRX Posts: 6,080 ClubWRX
    dcmidnight wrote:


    I know we initially sold out of our first run of WRX-branded tinfoil hats but this forum is always where topics like this have gone. I dont move any threads like this for any reason.



    In fact here are two TM failure threads I've started in the past and they are all in this forum.



    RBZ 3 wood cracked



    http://www.golfwrx.c...d/#entry6404995



    RSI irons chipped/failed



    http://www.golfwrx.c...age__hl__ irons


    Appreciate the explanation (from both you and HipCheck -- it just doesn't seem like the clubmaking forum is a natural place for threads about breakage in retail clubs (not caused by modifications made to the clubs by clubmakers), especially recently released ones.
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  • 3 Jack Par3 Jack Par I only answer to "Ace" now Members, ClubWRX Posts: 6,080 ClubWRX
    chris975d wrote:


    But also, not a single area that has chipped or even cracked is a vital component of the club either. It's not like this would render these clubs unplayable, IF every one cracked. So I don't see it as a MAJOR design flaw.


    Sure, it's probably a cosmetic thing, but I don't think Joe Golfer is going to be excited if he buys a club and stuff starts breaking off the sole when he heels one (or hits one basically dead center when it comes to the section parallel to the weight track), and is left with that damage or has to repeatedly get replacements, I can't imagine replacing a bunch of heads is going to be great business for TM, either, so I'd expect a modification to the design, but it's still a mystery how something like this gets through testing prior to release.

    I'm no TM hater, either. I have two M2 Tour fairways that I love, and I've played a bunch of their drivers in the past.
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  • dcmidnightdcmidnight Marshals, BST Volunteer Mods Posts: 11,706 mod
    edited Jan 31, 2019 1:24pm #159
    So I'm going to go out on my limb again and say that they probably did a ton of testing on this head. Is it possible that at a majority of the speeds they tested - IE normal average swing speeds - that they didnt find anything of note? Seems at least possible to me. The idea that they pumped out a brand new product relase and did zero testing - including on course with actual people - seems unreasonable. And if they put these out in the field and had chipped and broken heads coming back all over the place, they would do something about it.



    BTW does anyone know how long the M5 has been out for 1 - testing and 2 - out on tour? I dont know the answer to that but I'm guessing its been...a couple months at least? Were these out on tour during the fall schedule? If this was really a huge issue, I am guessing that between all the forums and blogs and websites and YouTubers that are tight with certain guys on the PGA/Euro tours - we would have seen a bunch of pictures of busted up heads by now. There are so many guys with the head in the bag that arent under TM contract, my guess is that if they found a problem, they would have no trouble putting it out on Instaface.
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  • chris975dchris975d GeorgiaClubWRX Posts: 1,912 ClubWRX
    3 Jack Par wrote:

    chris975d wrote:


    But also, not a single area that has chipped or even cracked is a vital component of the club either. It's not like this would render these clubs unplayable, IF every one cracked. So I don't see it as a MAJOR design flaw.


    Sure, it's probably a cosmetic thing, but I don't think Joe Golfer is going to be excited if he buys a club and stuff starts breaking off the sole when he heels one (or hits one basically dead center when it comes to the section parallel to the weight track), and is left with that damage or has to repeatedly get replacements, I can't imagine replacing a bunch of heads is going to be great business for TM, either, so I'd expect a modification to the design, but it's still a mystery how something like this gets through testing prior to release.

    I'm no TM hater, either. I have two M2 Tour fairways that I love, and I've played a bunch of their drivers in the past.




    I personally say we still don't know how many are going to have to be replaced/RMAed. As has been stated in this thread previously (I think), demo/fitting heads take a ridiculous amount of beating. I doubt most here can imagine. I've seen it all with demo heads....entire carbon crowns knocked off, faces cracked, hosel adapters broken in ways you can't imagine, grips ripped off, faces caved in, weight tracks coming out...you think of it, almost no matter how "out there" it could be, and I've seen it occur with fitting and demo clubs. The types of swings and use that fitting heads and demos get is unlike anything typical clubs face. I could easily see fitting clubs having this issue fairly widespread and yet retail clubs not.
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  • Big BenBig Ben Members Posts: 8,974 ✭✭
    edited Jan 31, 2019 2:05pm #161
    Let’s just see how it plays out. I would assume TM is keenly aware of this topic. For everyone who has spent there hard earned money I sincerely hope it’s a non-issue. BB
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  • chris975dchris975d GeorgiaClubWRX Posts: 1,912 ClubWRX
    Big Ben wrote:


    Let's just see how it plays out. I would assume TM is keenly aware of this topic. For everyone who has spent there hard earned money I sincerely hope it's a non-issue. BB




    Yes...this. This is what I'm saying (in way more words...I'm wordy). This thread is claiming a "major flaw....replacing a bunch of heads" before the retail launch has even technically occurred. Let's see what happens once customers actually have the clubs in their hands. I doubt many customers' clubs are going to be hit as often and as badly as fitting heads are, or at the speeds and forces that a Tour player's head is going to. Coupled with the distinct possibility that the M6, not the M5 will likely be the most sold consumer model...TaylorMade may not be looking at a really big issue here. And if a company like Apple can get away with the new iPad Pro design bending under light use, and sometimes even coming bent right out of the box, and declare that nothing is out of the ordinary, then I think TaylorMade can probably weather this pretty well.
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  • 3woodvt3woodvt 5 test drives for clubface contact. #footpowder Members Posts: 1,628 ✭✭
    edited Jan 31, 2019 2:16pm #163
    Big Ben wrote:


    Let's just see how it plays out. I would assume TM is keenly aware of this topic. For everyone who has spent there hard earned money I sincerely hope it's a non-issue. BB
    Amen...congregation adjourned. And see y'all next week for more updates:-)
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  • SubaruWRXSubaruWRX Members Posts: 3,281 ✭✭
    3woodvt wrote:

    Big Ben wrote:


    Let's just see how it plays out. I would assume TM is keenly aware of this topic. For everyone who has spent there hard earned money I sincerely hope it's a non-issue. BB
    Amen...congregation adjourned. And see y'all next week for more updates:-)


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  • Ti-Cip Ti-Cip Members Posts: 814 ✭✭
    there are 2 demo m5's at my country club that have cracked in this spot. the rep came by this week and this is what we were told. the demo clubs sent to ALL retailers are doing this. i am not sure if the first batch of m5 heads going out to customers have been changed, but the next batch is supposed to be more reinforced in this area. so in other words, TM knows of this problem and is in the works to fix it. what i noticed today is on the 2 m5 demos, if i push down on the carbon, where it cracked, i can feel the material compress down. thus this is causing the brittle carbon to crack.

    very disappointing as i did get my m5 already, and looks like i am going to need to get an RA whenever i find out there are"v2" heads out.
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  • dcmidnightdcmidnight Marshals, BST Volunteer Mods Posts: 11,706 mod
    edited Feb 1, 2019 6:35am #167
    Someone PMd me last night asking what was meant by this area of the sole not being flush to the ground as someone mentioned. I am not really sure what that person meant tbh. The "sole half" of the M5, the portion below the weight track that could be chipped, that piece is flush/even with the bottom of the face of the club - if my description makes sense. Its the top area, the area above the weight track, that is sort of sunken down, it looks like its been pushed in. That area is not flush with either the bottom of the face or the bottom half. It honestly looks ridiculous when compared to the M3.



    The other thing I noticed when really looking at it last night is that the "affected area" - for lack of better term - is very much on the heel side of the club. And it doesnt start at the center of the club. If you were to hold the head looking at it face on and then rotating back and forth to look at the bottom, the lip/area starts on the right side of the "circle on the face of the driver" and moves towards the heel.



    This may explain why I've had zero issues. My swing path is about 1* out to in and if you'd ever look at a driver face of mine, all the mises/tee marks are all over the toe half of the driver and peeling upwards towards the toe.



    Sorry that 1 - I dont have really good technical terms to use when trying to describe this and 2 - I cant attach pics from work, will do so tonight. I also have a point and shoot camera that allegedly - I've never tried it - but it will shoot super slo mo in 1,000 frames per second. If I can set it up on the ground in the right way I'm going to see if theres a way to film some of the tee strikes.
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  • 3woodvt3woodvt 5 test drives for clubface contact. #footpowder Members Posts: 1,628 ✭✭
    Ti-Cip wrote:


    there are 2 demo m5's at my country club that have cracked in this spot. the rep came by this week and this is what we were told. the demo clubs sent to ALL retailers are doing this. i am not sure if the first batch of m5 heads going out to customers have been changed, but the next batch is supposed to be more reinforced in this area. so in other words, TM knows of this problem and is in the works to fix it. what i noticed today is on the 2 m5 demos, if i push down on the carbon, where it cracked, i can feel the material compress down. thus this is causing the brittle carbon to crack.

    very disappointing as i did get my m5 already, and looks like i am going to need to get an RA whenever i find out there are"v2" heads out.
    Good information. Thank you
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  • 3woodvt3woodvt 5 test drives for clubface contact. #footpowder Members Posts: 1,628 ✭✭
    dcmidnight wrote:


    Someone PMd me last night asking what was meant by this area of the sole not being flush to the ground as someone mentioned. I am not really sure what that person meant tbh. The "sole half" of the M5, the portion below the weight track that could be chipped, that piece is flush/even with the bottom of the face of the club - if my description makes sense. Its the top area, the area above the weight track, that is sort of sunken down, it looks like its been pushed in. That area is not flush with either the bottom of the face or the bottom half. It honestly looks ridiculous when compared to the M3.



    The other thing I noticed when really looking at it last night is that the "affected area" - for lack of better term - is very much on the heel side of the club. And it doesnt start at the center of the club. If you were to hold the head looking at it face on and then rotating back and forth to look at the bottom, the lip/area starts on the right side of the "circle on the face of the driver" and moves towards the heel.



    This may explain why I've had zero issues. My swing path is about 1* out to in and if you'd ever look at a driver face of mine, all the mises/tee marks are all over the toe half of the driver and peeling upwards towards the toe.



    Sorry that 1 - I dont have really good technical terms to use when trying to describe this and 2 - I cant attach pics from work, will do so tonight. I also have a point and shoot camera that allegedly - I've never tried it - but it will shoot super slo mo in 1,000 frames per second. If I can set it up on the ground in the right way I'm going to see if theres a way to film some of the tee strikes.
    Thank you and that seems like a lot of work but would be neat to see. I follow you on the tee markings on the sole as mine are like you described as well more toe to middle swath.
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  • RobS14526RobS14526 Members Posts: 1,127 ✭✭
    Ti-Cip wrote:


    there are 2 demo m5's at my country club that have cracked in this spot. the rep came by this week and this is what we were told. the demo clubs sent to ALL retailers are doing this. i am not sure if the first batch of m5 heads going out to customers have been changed, but the next batch is supposed to be more reinforced in this area. so in other words, TM knows of this problem and is in the works to fix it. what i noticed today is on the 2 m5 demos, if i push down on the carbon, where it cracked, i can feel the material compress down. thus this is causing the brittle carbon to crack.

    very disappointing as i did get my m5 already, and looks like i am going to need to get an RA whenever i find out there are"v2" heads out.




    Out of curiosity, is your club a grass range only or have the demos been striking the adjustable plastic tees on mats?
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    Guess I'll be holding off picking one up for a little bit.
  • ignitewvuignitewvu Members Posts: 2,054 ✭✭
    RobS14526 wrote:

    Ti-Cip wrote:


    there are 2 demo m5's at my country club that have cracked in this spot. the rep came by this week and this is what we were told. the demo clubs sent to ALL retailers are doing this. i am not sure if the first batch of m5 heads going out to customers have been changed, but the next batch is supposed to be more reinforced in this area. so in other words, TM knows of this problem and is in the works to fix it. what i noticed today is on the 2 m5 demos, if i push down on the carbon, where it cracked, i can feel the material compress down. thus this is causing the brittle carbon to crack.

    very disappointing as i did get my m5 already, and looks like i am going to need to get an RA whenever i find out there are"v2" heads out.




    Out of curiosity, is your club a grass range only or have the demos been striking the adjustable plastic tees on mats?




    The Tee thing is chipping away the CF on the heel side of the speed slot that over laps the back of the slot.



    The cracking (Pushing down) of the CF is happening along the front to back weight track and could be caused by Range mats on concrete.
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  • radimanradiman Members Posts: 4,678 ✭✭
    dcmidnight wrote:


    Someone PMd me last night asking what was meant by this area of the sole not being flush to the ground as someone mentioned. I am not really sure what that person meant tbh. The "sole half" of the M5, the portion below the weight track that could be chipped, that piece is flush/even with the bottom of the face of the club - if my description makes sense. Its the top area, the area above the weight track, that is sort of sunken down, it looks like its been pushed in. That area is not flush with either the bottom of the face or the bottom half. It honestly looks ridiculous when compared to the M3.



    The other thing I noticed when really looking at it last night is that the "affected area" - for lack of better term - is very much on the heel side of the club. And it doesnt start at the center of the club. If you were to hold the head looking at it face on and then rotating back and forth to look at the bottom, the lip/area starts on the right side of the "circle on the face of the driver" and moves towards the heel.



    This may explain why I've had zero issues. My swing path is about 1* out to in and if you'd ever look at a driver face of mine, all the mises/tee marks are all over the toe half of the driver and peeling upwards towards the toe.



    Sorry that 1 - I dont have really good technical terms to use when trying to describe this and 2 - I cant attach pics from work, will do so tonight. I also have a point and shoot camera that allegedly - I've never tried it - but it will shoot super slo mo in 1,000 frames per second. If I can set it up on the ground in the right way I'm going to see if theres a way to film some of the tee strikes.




    Ooh, that would be a cool video. Not really even just for this issue. I like watching super slow mo impact videos. Crazy how much the head can twist and the ball compresses.
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  • Long ShotLong Shot Members Posts: 505 ✭✭
    Before reading this I was split between M5 and Callaway EF SZ, I ordered my Callaway last night. Did this thread sway anyone in that direction as well?
  • Ti-Cip Ti-Cip Members Posts: 814 ✭✭
    we have mats right now, and put plastic tees in the rubber holder on the mat. these tees are just regular plastic tees at our course. bendable.

    iam a bit torn right now, I just got my m5 last week, but thinking I will just have to wait for a "v2" then setup an ra to swap them. but who knows when they will correct.

    I am thinking at least march
  • Pleasedwith3puttsPleasedwith3putts Members Posts: 1,723 ✭✭
    Long Shot wrote:


    Before reading this I was split between M5 and Callaway EF SZ, I ordered my Callaway last night. Did this thread sway anyone in that direction as well?




    I need to test both. I'm more of a Cally fan but I'm worried about the sound as I can genuinely tell which staffers have the flash in the bag through sound on the TV



    I can easily see myself sticking with the 2017 Epic
  • MarkFromTheUKMarkFromTheUK Members Posts: 4,639 ✭✭
    Would never happen with a SLDR-C.
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  • KMeloneyKMeloney Members Posts: 4,755 ✭✭
    Long Shot wrote:


    Before reading this I was split between M5 and Callaway EF SZ, I ordered my Callaway last night. Did this thread sway anyone in that direction as well?




    Half the posters in it seem to hope so.
  • UncleJohn’sBandUncleJohn’sBand Members Posts: 976 ✭✭


    Would never happen with a SLDR-C.




    Wow, two full hours and the bobcat signal hasn’t been responded to. Batman wouldn’t take this long.
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  • radimanradiman Members Posts: 4,678 ✭✭


    Would never happen with a SLDR-C.




    That is the equivalent of this...

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  • blink3665blink3665 #TwistFaceExperience Members Posts: 6,027 ✭✭
    Ti-Cip wrote:


    we have mats right now, and put plastic tees in the rubber holder on the mat. these tees are just regular plastic tees at our course. bendable.

    iam a bit torn right now, I just got my m5 last week, but thinking I will just have to wait for a "v2" then setup an ra to swap them. but who knows when they will correct.

    I am thinking at least march




    So you're not even going to hit it unless there is a v2? If I had an M5 I'd just go ahead and play it like I normally would. If it cracks or chips, so be it. At that point you get the RA. They ship you your new driver, you ship your chipped one back. I don't see a reason to wait to hit these. The cracks aren't rendering these heads useless, so you could even hit it while you are waiting for your replacement.
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