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  • J9293J9293 Members Posts: 328 ✭✭✭✭
    I don’t understand why people are waiting for an update before buying this. Recently TM products have been of poor quality and now an unreleased driver already has a major design flaw yet people still want to give their money to this company?



    I’ve used TM clubs in the past so I’m not a TM hater for the sake of being one. It’s like buying a car that has known relatability issues when there are lots of other options available. I don’t understand this brand loyalty thing.
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  • trackcoach13trackcoach13 Members Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Feb 1, 2019 7:14pm #183
    I was at my local store today and they checked all of the demo m5's and each one was cracked in the same spot.
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  • ignitewvuignitewvu Members Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭✭✭✭


    I was at my local store today and they checked Ll of the demo m5's and each one was cracked in the same spot.




    Not an isolated issue at all......Hope TM fixes this ridiculous design & better yet I hope they replaced everyone who preordered one with the flaw with the V2 head once they get them built.
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  • Puttfordough91Puttfordough91 Banned Posts: 120 ✭✭
    Been at 2 golf shops today both same problem. Crazy
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  • BeachsideGolferBeachsideGolfer Members Posts: 248 ✭✭✭
    How was this not discovered and resolved during the initial prototype testing lol
  • TheSphynxTheSphynx “When is the next sloth eyed shootout?” Buckeye country Members Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I saw that pro’s that was doing same, but I’m having a hard time thinking these demos aren’t eating shittt from people hitting them fatter than Golden Corral on a Sunday afternoon.
  • LemondeLemonde Members Posts: 745 ✭✭
    radiman wrote:



    Would never happen with a SLDR-C.




    That is the equivalent of this...





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  • wkuo3wkuo3 RELEASE Members Posts: 4,295 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    When will they learn from the basic of Physics to make a better driver head than fitting pieces of different material together on smooth edge without room ( features) built in for tolerance of flexing ?

    It'll keep failing at a high rate ( over 5%) until they figured out when pricing the drivers at such high price point, might as well make a better one with sound design.

    But, then again, the design probably is not intended to last decades of use, so you can buy the next better model in a few years, anyway.
  • Big BenBig Ben Members Posts: 9,210 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Feb 2, 2019 7:53pm #190
    RobS14526 wrote:

    Ti-Cip wrote:


    there are 2 demo m5's at my country club that have cracked in this spot. the rep came by this week and this is what we were told. the demo clubs sent to ALL retailers are doing this. i am not sure if the first batch of m5 heads going out to customers have been changed, but the next batch is supposed to be more reinforced in this area. so in other words, TM knows of this problem and is in the works to fix it. what i noticed today is on the 2 m5 demos, if i push down on the carbon, where it cracked, i can feel the material compress down. thus this is causing the brittle carbon to crack.

    very disappointing as i did get my m5 already, and looks like i am going to need to get an RA whenever i find out there are"v2" heads out.




    Out of curiosity, is your club a grass range only or have the demos been striking the adjustable plastic tees on mats?
    I’ve read this a lot now, it shouldn’t matter these are common practice surfaces. Whether this happening on the practice mats or the course or the simulator, doesn’t matter. I’m sure TM will figure it out.
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  • RobS14526RobS14526 Members Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Big Ben wrote:

    RobS14526 wrote:

    Ti-Cip wrote:


    there are 2 demo m5's at my country club that have cracked in this spot. the rep came by this week and this is what we were told. the demo clubs sent to ALL retailers are doing this. i am not sure if the first batch of m5 heads going out to customers have been changed, but the next batch is supposed to be more reinforced in this area. so in other words, TM knows of this problem and is in the works to fix it. what i noticed today is on the 2 m5 demos, if i push down on the carbon, where it cracked, i can feel the material compress down. thus this is causing the brittle carbon to crack.

    very disappointing as i did get my m5 already, and looks like i am going to need to get an RA whenever i find out there are"v2" heads out.




    Out of curiosity, is your club a grass range only or have the demos been striking the adjustable plastic tees on mats?
    I’ve read this a lot know, it shouldn’t matter these are common practice surfaces. Whether this happening on the practice mats or the course or the simulator, doesn’t matter. I’m sure TM will figure it out.




    Oh, I agree completely. I was just curious because he mentioned his country club and I wanted to know if this was happening at grass ranges as well. It’s also not lost on me that Taylormade, more than any OEM, relies on moving their product through big box stores which makes this even more baffling.
  • TacTac Members Posts: 272
    I looked at the M5 for the first time today and can totally see how that edge could catch on the ground or perhaps even have a tee nick it.
  • radimanradiman Members Posts: 4,724 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    kmay__ wrote:


    Just saw this post on IG and noticed the piece of carbon is not present on this driver, they must already have the updated head in the works.




    Looks like it's there to me.
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  • BaddsBadds Members Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Feb 3, 2019 1:29am #194
    radiman wrote:



    Would never happen with a SLDR-C.




    That is the equivalent of this...







    I love the Bobcat references. To this day I play the SLDR-C, which I bought after reading Bobcat's thread. It was less than $100 brand new! image/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />



    You can keep your M5.
  • J13J13 Dad golf Members Posts: 15,623 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    This cracking problem is happening everywhere and the last thing TM needed. I would not be surprised to see TM on the market again, they have to be hemorrhaging money.
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  • JagpilotohioJagpilotohio 45+ inch drivers are evil. Columbus, OHMembers Posts: 7,255 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    It’s common knowledge that Taylormade reads this forum. I’m sure they’ve had emergency meetings and addressed the problem at the manufacturing level already.



    The Question is, what do they do with the heads they’ve already made like this and haven’t shipped yet? The ones that are out already will just come back over the next year as warranty claims. Huge losses to be sure, but I wonder if they will actually alter the completed heads that haven’t shipped yet?
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  • ignitewvuignitewvu Members Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭✭✭✭


    It’s common knowledge that Taylormade reads this forum. I’m sure they’ve had emergency meetings and addressed the problem at the manufacturing level already.



    The Question is, what do they do with the heads they’ve already made like this and haven’t shipped yet? The ones that are out already will just come back over the next year as warranty claims. Huge losses to be sure, but I wonder if they will actually alter the completed heads that haven’t shipped yet?




    They need a slight redesign to where the CF is bonding inside a frame of titanium just like all of their other drivers. It shouldn't take too much effort or R&D, then the head will need to go through USGA certification.
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  • 3 Jack Par3 Jack Par I only answer to "Ace" now Members, ClubWRX Posts: 6,141 ClubWRX
    I was at a local store (Carl’s Golfland in Plymouth, MI), and I looked at the M5 demos they had out (probably about 8 heads), and I didn’t see any that were cracked in either spot. They also didn’t look like they’d been hit much yet. The demos there do take a beating, generally. They let you take out 3 clubs at a time and I really wanted to try the Epic Flash SZ, F9, and TS3, and those clubs all had mat scuffs on the soles and sky marks on the crown, and the TM clubs didn’t look like they’d been beaten up too much yet. They do use rubber tees there, FWIW.
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  • 11forgedblades11forgedblades Members Posts: 562 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Feb 3, 2019 4:23pm #199
    I don't understand how a manufacturer with the largest R & D golf budget in history could release a $500+ **** like this.
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  • Big BenBig Ben Members Posts: 9,210 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Feb 3, 2019 4:35pm #200


    How was this not discovered and resolved during the initial prototype testing lol
    Thats the million dollar question, should be addressed too. They have upset loyal Customers. I for one would NEVER purchase this driver with known issues. Why would you??
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  • radimanradiman Members Posts: 4,724 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I checked out a demo head today. While it was not broken yet, it had some chips taken out in that area. Seems very plastic like.
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  • wkuo3wkuo3 RELEASE Members Posts: 4,295 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Feb 3, 2019 6:55pm #202
    It's not the contact with the tee , not even so with the contact to the turf.

    The design needs to allow the pieces to flex. Traditional bonding method will fail and fail again, anyone has the basic knowledge should know that. It's not how strong those pieces could bond together, the solution is to allow those pieces flex then return to shape. Epoxy or welding along the smooth lines will not work.
  • BaddsBadds Members Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭✭✭✭


    It’s common knowledge that Taylormade reads this forum.




    Well then they should re-release the SLDR-C!!
  • DNice26DNice26 Members Posts: 4,155 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I’m sure TaylorMade will make it right for those with the issue. If I had any issues with clubs in the past, they always sorted me out.

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  • parmachineparmachine Members Posts: 16
    The M3 is known to have this problem with the carbon on the bottom, not surprising if the m5 has similar issues.
  • EricWGolfEricWGolf Members Posts: 651 ✭✭✭✭✭
    parmachine wrote:


    The M3 is known to have this problem with the carbon on the bottom, not surprising if the m5 has similar issues.




    Huh? I never saw (pics or in person) an M3 with damage to the sole.
  • jll62jll62 MinneapolisClubWRX Posts: 2,193 ClubWRX
    parmachine wrote:


    The M3 is known to have this problem with the carbon on the bottom, not surprising if the m5 has similar issues.




    The only issues I'm aware of with the sole of the M3 are incidents where the player dropped an iron/wedge into the bag and the club head struck the sole of the driver wrong. Other than that, there is no known problem with the carbon sole of the M3.
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  • scratchswingerscratchswinger Members Posts: 16,312 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    How many more sleeps until they release a revised head?
  • Big BenBig Ben Members Posts: 9,210 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    On the road in Michigan and stopped at Miles of Golf in Ann Arbor, cool shop! They already have two cracked heads behind the counter. Not good...
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  • milosmilos ms1 AustraliaMembers Posts: 142 ✭✭
    That flap isn't terribly different to the 2017 M1 driver, is it? Did they break as well?
  • radimanradiman Members Posts: 4,724 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    milos wrote:


    That flap isn't terribly different to the 2017 M1 driver, is it? Did they break as well?




    The flap wasn't carbon in 2017.
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