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Tested the 2019 balls against the (2018) TM TP5x. Results.

golfnhackgolfnhack Advanced Members Posts: 2,520 ✭✭
edited January 29 in Golf Balls
I had an opportunity to test some of the 2019 balls. I am a low ball/high spin player. My current index is 2.4. My swing speed is between 104-107MPH. My driver is a 12* TaylorMade M3 with a 70X Aldila Copper Xtorsion shaft at 45'.



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  • StanksStanks Everything I post is confrontational Advanced Members Posts: 1,098 ✭✭
    A very very in depth and extremely subjective test but, it’s real and I like what I see.



    It’s cool you got the results that you did. I have 9 different ball brands in my closet and I know they all perform differently so it’s entertaining to read when people think, “a ball is a ball”.



    Good stuff.
  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Advanced Members Posts: 11,381 ✭✭
    thanks for sharing
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  • BlackM00NlightBlackM00Nlight Advanced Members Posts: 3,178 ✭✭
    Throw your tp5x in earlier next time. Take out the “warm up” variable. But I do this too, buy a few sleeves and test them out early in the year

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  • noodle3872noodle3872 Chilliwack B.C. CanadaAdvanced Members Posts: 2,560 ✭✭
    Just so I’m clear, the TP5x you tested is the outgoing ball?
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  • golfnhackgolfnhack Advanced Members Posts: 2,520 ✭✭
    noodle3872 wrote:
    Just so I’m clear, the TP5x you tested is the outgoing ball?




    Correct
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  • BeerPerHoleBeerPerHole Advanced Members Posts: 1,052 ✭✭
    Hey, thanks for the report. Very interesting.
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  • Phil MajorPhil Major Advanced Members Posts: 86 ✭✭
    Nice report!



    I see two 2018 TP5X so which one is 2019 TP5X ?
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  • golfnhackgolfnhack Advanced Members Posts: 2,520 ✭✭
    Phil Major wrote:
    Nice report!



    I see two 2018 TP5X so which one is 2019 TP5X ?




    No 2019 TP5X. TM was not at the show.
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  • Golfer from MOGolfer from MO Advanced Members Posts: 962 ✭✭
    Cool info, thanks. Part of what makes this site great. My curiosity peaks at a 70yd gap in day 1 distance? The data points prolly needed more than on hit per ball or only long ball taken as it van skew findings JAT!
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  • BlazinPondBlazinPond Huge gear guy, subpar golfer Advanced Members Posts: 215 ✭✭
    Great work and documentation.



    Happy that I just picked up 6 boxes of TP5X balls too!
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  • BiggErnBiggErn Advanced Members Posts: 2,003 ✭✭
    Pretty in depth review that seems biased and unbelievable especially without a launch monitor. There’s not gonna be a 70 yard gap with ANY ball when struck by just an average golfer.
  • buntabunta Advanced Members Posts: 509 ✭✭
    BiggErn wrote:


    Pretty in depth review that seems biased and unbelievable especially without a launch monitor. There’s not gonna be a 70 yard gap with ANY ball when struck by just an average golfer.






    no youre right, theres not going to be a 70 gap between any ball. But if that one ball repeatedly ends up being farther than the rest, then its decisively the longest for you.
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  • golfnhackgolfnhack Advanced Members Posts: 2,520 ✭✭
    edited January 31
    BiggErn wrote:
    Pretty in depth review that seems biased and unbelievable especially without a launch monitor. There’s not gonna be a 70 yard gap with ANY ball when struck by just an average golfer.




    Also. If you take out the last ball (which as I stated I have no idea how it went that far) there is only a 22 yard gap. (You can’t count the range ball)
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  • wfrogge1wfrogge1 Advanced Members Posts: 1,183 ✭✭
    Tp5x was the longest for me off the tee and irons but it wasn’t consistent with spin numbers and this is a problem. To me it’s a gimmick ball in the same class as the AVX. I am not alone with this opinion. Just take a look at review videos with launch monitor data. You will see some shots that spin wild and some that don’t spin enough. It’s not about compression either..... the TP5 and both ProV1 models are superior IMO
  • jll62jll62 ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 1,966 ClubWRX
    wfrogge1 wrote:


    Tp5x was the longest for me off the tee and irons but it wasn’t consistent with spin numbers and this is a problem. To me it’s a gimmick ball in the same class as the AVX. I am not alone with this opinion. Just take a look at review videos with launch monitor data. You will see some shots that spin wild and some that don’t spin enough. It’s not about compression either..... the TP5 and both ProV1 models are superior IMO




    Three of the top 10 players in the world play TP5x. To call it a gimmick and put it into the same class as a ball that has no tour presence is kind of ridiculous IMO.



    Everyone will have different preferences and needs, and the 5x is most definitely not for everyone. I played TP5 all of 2017, but switched to TP5x in 2018 and played some of the best golf of my life. The spin characteristics are far more consistent than anything I've played before. My only gripe was short game spin and that's been addressed in the 2019 ball. Plus the 2019 ball is a little longer off the driver. Win-win for me.
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  • G-BoneG-Bone Better than most... Members Posts: 2,666 ✭✭
    jll62 wrote:

    wfrogge1 wrote:


    Tp5x was the longest for me off the tee and irons but it wasn’t consistent with spin numbers and this is a problem. To me it’s a gimmick ball in the same class as the AVX. I am not alone with this opinion. Just take a look at review videos with launch monitor data. You will see some shots that spin wild and some that don’t spin enough. It’s not about compression either..... the TP5 and both ProV1 models are superior IMO




    Three of the top 10 players in the world play TP5x. To call it a gimmick and put it into the same class as a ball that has no tour presence is kind of ridiculous IMO.



    Everyone will have different preferences and needs, and the 5x is most definitely not for everyone. I played TP5 all of 2017, but switched to TP5x in 2018 and played some of the best golf of my life. The spin characteristics are far more consistent than anything I've played before. My only gripe was short game spin and that's been addressed in the 2019 ball. Plus the 2019 ball is a little longer off the driver. Win-win for me.




    Be careful using tour played TP5x and TP5 balls compared to what we can buy. Last I checked there was eight, yes EIGHT different versions of TP5 and x on USGA conforming list. That leads me to believe most tour players are not playing what we buy.



    From what I’ve seen with 2017 TP5 versions is they are a distance ball with tour wrapper.



    Hoping the 2019 version is good enough for tour pros to play the retail version. Believe it or not Pro V only has one version listed that we can’t buy and that is V1 DOT. There is no special versions of V1x.
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  • jll62jll62 ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 1,966 ClubWRX
    G-Bone wrote:

    jll62 wrote:

    wfrogge1 wrote:


    Tp5x was the longest for me off the tee and irons but it wasn’t consistent with spin numbers and this is a problem. To me it’s a gimmick ball in the same class as the AVX. I am not alone with this opinion. Just take a look at review videos with launch monitor data. You will see some shots that spin wild and some that don’t spin enough. It’s not about compression either..... the TP5 and both ProV1 models are superior IMO




    Three of the top 10 players in the world play TP5x. To call it a gimmick and put it into the same class as a ball that has no tour presence is kind of ridiculous IMO.



    Everyone will have different preferences and needs, and the 5x is most definitely not for everyone. I played TP5 all of 2017, but switched to TP5x in 2018 and played some of the best golf of my life. The spin characteristics are far more consistent than anything I've played before. My only gripe was short game spin and that's been addressed in the 2019 ball. Plus the 2019 ball is a little longer off the driver. Win-win for me.




    Be careful using tour played TP5x and TP5 balls compared to what we can buy. Last I checked there was eight, yes EIGHT different versions of TP5 and x on USGA conforming list. That leads me to believe most tour players are not playing what we buy.



    From what I’ve seen with 2017 TP5 versions is they are a distance ball with tour wrapper.



    Hoping the 2019 version is good enough for tour pros to play the retail version. Believe it or not Pro V only has one version listed that we can’t buy and that is V1 DOT. There is no special versions of V1x.


    You are wrong on that belief. They're playing the same ball you can buy at retail (with one possible exception I'll note below for TP5). You need to know what you're looking at when you look at the conforming ball list. If you search for TP5x, you'll see there are exactly two entries for 2019 (Retail and Tour) along with the three that were there for the past two seasons (Retail, Tour, alternate Tour).



    2019 Retail side-stamp: ahleftcur.GIF TP5x ahrightcur.GIF with ahleftcur.GIFahrightcur.GIF in gray

    2019 Tour side-stamp: ahleftcur.GIF TP5x ahrightcur.GIF with 5x in gray

    2017-18 Retail side-stamp: linel.GIF TP5x linel.GIF with x in gray

    2017-18 Tour side-stamp: triangleleft2.GIF TP5x triangleRight2.GIF with x in gray

    2017-18 Tour alt side-stamp: triangleleft2.GIFtriangleleft2.GIFtriangleleft2.GIF TP5x triangleRight2.GIFtriangleRight2.GIFtriangleRight2.GIF with x in gray



    The only ball that could possibly be different is the 2017-18 Tour ball with the alternate side stamp. I have speculated in the past this could be an unreleased proto or even a prior year ball, but people in the know have been adamant it is simply a side-stamp option available to Tour players. I'm still not 100% convinced of that, but I've heard it from multiple sources who would have that information and have been forthcoming with inside info in the past. So for now I'll take it as truth that it's the same ball just with a different stamp.



    With the TP5, the same five entries are present with two additions: 1) there is a 2017-18 yellow ball with the Retail side-stamp (available only in Japan, I believe), and 2) There is an additional 2019 TP5 with the entire side-stamp in gray. It's unclear if this was an early proto, or why this exists. If this is removed during the season, we'll know it was a proto of some sort. But even if this is a non-retail ball, most are not playing this variant.



    Regarding the Pro V1x, it is 100% false that there is no special version on the conforming list. Most of the entries are prior year balls, but these two were never available at retail:



    (wedge) lineB1.GIF Pro V1x (wedge)

    (arrow) Pro V1x + (arrow) with (arrows) in gray
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    TaylorMade M5 Rocket 3, Tensei Pro White 70 S, 42.5"
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    TaylorMade P-760 3, KBS C-Taper S
    TaylorMade P-770 4, DG X100 (SSx1)
    TaylorMade RSi TP 5-PW, KBS C-Taper S+
    TaylorMade Milled Grind 52 Raw, DG S400
    TaylorMade Hi-Toe 60 (58), DG S400
    TaylorMade DJ Itsy Bitsy Proto, 34"
    TaylorMade TP5x #12

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  • trackcoach13trackcoach13 Advanced Members Posts: 880 ✭✭
    edited February 4
    G-Bone wrote:

    jll62 wrote:

    wfrogge1 wrote:


    Tp5x was the longest for me off the tee and irons but it wasn’t consistent with spin numbers and this is a problem. To me it’s a gimmick ball in the same class as the AVX. I am not alone with this opinion. Just take a look at review videos with launch monitor data. You will see some shots that spin wild and some that don’t spin enough. It’s not about compression either..... the TP5 and both ProV1 models are superior IMO




    Three of the top 10 players in the world play TP5x. To call it a gimmick and put it into the same class as a ball that has no tour presence is kind of ridiculous IMO.



    Everyone will have different preferences and needs, and the 5x is most definitely not for everyone. I played TP5 all of 2017, but switched to TP5x in 2018 and played some of the best golf of my life. The spin characteristics are far more consistent than anything I've played before. My only gripe was short game spin and that's been addressed in the 2019 ball. Plus the 2019 ball is a little longer off the driver. Win-win for me.




    Be careful using tour played TP5x and TP5 balls compared to what we can buy. Last I checked there was eight, yes EIGHT different versions of TP5 and x on USGA conforming list. That leads me to believe most tour players are not playing what we buy.



    From what I’ve seen with 2017 TP5 versions is they are a distance ball with tour wrapper.



    Hoping the 2019 version is good enough for tour pros to play the retail version. Believe it or not Pro V only has one version listed that we can’t buy and that is V1 DOT. There is no special versions of V1x.




    Sorry but you are wrong. This is from current conforming list:



    (arrow) Pro V1x + (arrow) with (arrows) in gray



    (wedge) - Pro V1x (wedge)



    (wedge) Pro V1 * (wedge)

    (arrow) . Pro V1 (arrow) with (arrows) in gray

    (wedge) . AVX . (wedge)
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  • trackcoach13trackcoach13 Advanced Members Posts: 880 ✭✭
    jll62 wrote:

    G-Bone wrote:

    jll62 wrote:

    wfrogge1 wrote:


    Tp5x was the longest for me off the tee and irons but it wasn’t consistent with spin numbers and this is a problem. To me it’s a gimmick ball in the same class as the AVX. I am not alone with this opinion. Just take a look at review videos with launch monitor data. You will see some shots that spin wild and some that don’t spin enough. It’s not about compression either..... the TP5 and both ProV1 models are superior IMO




    Three of the top 10 players in the world play TP5x. To call it a gimmick and put it into the same class as a ball that has no tour presence is kind of ridiculous IMO.



    Everyone will have different preferences and needs, and the 5x is most definitely not for everyone. I played TP5 all of 2017, but switched to TP5x in 2018 and played some of the best golf of my life. The spin characteristics are far more consistent than anything I've played before. My only gripe was short game spin and that's been addressed in the 2019 ball. Plus the 2019 ball is a little longer off the driver. Win-win for me.




    Be careful using tour played TP5x and TP5 balls compared to what we can buy. Last I checked there was eight, yes EIGHT different versions of TP5 and x on USGA conforming list. That leads me to believe most tour players are not playing what we buy.



    From what I’ve seen with 2017 TP5 versions is they are a distance ball with tour wrapper.



    Hoping the 2019 version is good enough for tour pros to play the retail version. Believe it or not Pro V only has one version listed that we can’t buy and that is V1 DOT. There is no special versions of V1x.


    You are wrong on that belief. They're playing the same ball you can buy at retail (with one possible exception I'll note below for TP5). You need to know what you're looking at when you look at the conforming ball list. If you search for TP5x, you'll see there are exactly two entries for 2019 (Retail and Tour) along with the three that were there for the past two seasons (Retail, Tour, alternate Tour).



    2019 Retail side-stamp: ahleftcur.GIF TP5x ahrightcur.GIF with ahleftcur.GIFahrightcur.GIF in gray

    2019 Tour side-stamp: ahleftcur.GIF TP5x ahrightcur.GIF with 5x in gray

    2017-18 Retail side-stamp: linel.GIF TP5x linel.GIF with x in gray

    2017-18 Tour side-stamp: triangleleft2.GIF TP5x triangleRight2.GIF with x in gray

    2017-18 Tour alt side-stamp: triangleleft2.GIFtriangleleft2.GIFtriangleleft2.GIF TP5x triangleRight2.GIFtriangleRight2.GIFtriangleRight2.GIF with x in gray



    The only ball that could possibly be different is the 2017-18 Tour ball with the alternate side stamp. I have speculated in the past this could be an unreleased proto or even a prior year ball, but people in the know have been adamant it is simply a side-stamp option available to Tour players. I'm still not 100% convinced of that, but I've heard it from multiple sources who would have that information and have been forthcoming with inside info in the past. So for now I'll take it as truth that it's the same ball just with a different stamp.



    With the TP5, the same five entries are present with two additions: 1) there is a 2017-18 yellow ball with the Retail side-stamp (available only in Japan, I believe), and 2) There is an additional 2019 TP5 with the entire side-stamp in gray. It's unclear if this was an early proto, or why this exists. If this is removed during the season, we'll know it was a proto of some sort. But even if this is a non-retail ball, most are not playing this variant.



    Regarding the Pro V1x, it is 100% false that there is no special version on the conforming list. Most of the entries are prior year balls, but these two were never available at retail:



    (wedge) lineB1.GIF Pro V1x (wedge)

    (arrow) Pro V1x + (arrow) with (arrows) in gray


    This is correct and there are two alternate Pro V1 versions (not 1 like he said) and also an alternate AVX as well.
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  • G-BoneG-Bone Better than most... Members Posts: 2,666 ✭✭
    Great info here guys, thanks for sharing and correcting me!



    Just took a look at fresh list and two things have changed sense my last visit:

    1. TM has removed several versions of TP5 from the list.

    2 Titleist has added a new V1x, the * version.



    I did indeed miss speak about no special version of V1x. Completely forgot about the + version.



    The V1x dot shown above is popular on tour, that is the ball Fowler was playing before switching to TM. It’s a good ball I have a couple dozen myself.



    I too have heard the story about TM changing sidestamps for optics only. However DJ himself has mentioned playing a “proto” ball that fit his swing better. Rory also mentioned in interviews that he like “DJ’s ball.”



    Seeing TM have fewer versions on USGA list makes me even more excited to try 2019 version. I’m hoping the retail version is closer to what the tour plays play on tv.



    Again, thanks for the correction!
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  • Lord HelmetLord Helmet Advanced Members Posts: 8,571 ✭✭
    OP, what did you think of the new Pro V1x and Srixon XV? Both of those are of interest to me.
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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Advanced Members Posts: 7,045 ✭✭
    edited February 4
    TP5X is super legit for guys who spin the ball a lot. I could never use it with a GI type of club that already launches the ball high and spins it low, but with blades.... it's almost a must to use it.
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  • dpb5031dpb5031 Advanced Members Posts: 4,937 ✭✭
    For those worried/lamenting the "Tour only" versions, do you think TM executives sit around a conference table saying, "gee Dave, I think we should release the inferior version to the masses and save the special ones for our Tour staff. That should really help us boost sales and gain market share..."



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  • golfnhackgolfnhack Advanced Members Posts: 2,520 ✭✭
    OP, what did you think of the new Pro V1x and Srixon XV? Both of those are of interest to me.




    For me... side spin and back spin with the srixon was significantly more than pro v 1x. I preferred the pro v over the xv. Remember...I only tester driver.
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  • golfnhackgolfnhack Advanced Members Posts: 2,520 ✭✭
    Ps. I posted in the 2019 TP5 thread. I thought I had found 3 of the new 2019 TP5X balls. I stated they cut after just one wedge shot and durability was horrible. I stated I preferred the 2018 TP5x. Turns out someone pointed ou I had not found 2019 TP5x balls but tour only balls.



    Can you imagine the public outrage if TM released a ball that cut after 1 wedge shot...and you ask why they have tour only versions. It’s because tour pros don’t pay for balls, and can simply replace a cut ball with a softer cover of needed.
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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Advanced Members Posts: 7,045 ✭✭
    golfnhack wrote:


    Ps. I posted in the 2019 TP5 thread. I thought I had found 3 of the new 2019 TP5X balls. I stated they cut after just one wedge shot and durability was horrible. I stated I preferred the 2018 TP5x. Turns out someone pointed ou I had not found 2019 TP5x balls but tour only balls.



    Can you imagine the public outrage if TM released a ball that cut after 1 wedge shot...and you ask why they have tour only versions. It’s because tour pros don’t pay for balls, and can simply replace a cut ball with a softer cover of needed.


    I've heard though that most pro's carry only around 9 balls (on average) or so in their bag per any given round. If they cut after one wedge.... they'd be out of balls very fast I'd imagine. Unless guys are walking around with 18+ balls, which may be true. It could also be you got a ball from one specific player that likes a uber soft cover and does indeed carry dozens of balls in their bag.
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  • golfnhackgolfnhack Advanced Members Posts: 2,520 ✭✭
    Also lets not forget that TM is CONSTANTLY developing new product. It may very well be that one of the 2018 Tour Only balls was the prototype for what became the 2019 TP5X
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  • golfnhackgolfnhack Advanced Members Posts: 2,520 ✭✭
    jll62 wrote:

    wfrogge1 wrote:


    Tp5x was the longest for me off the tee and irons but it wasn’t consistent with spin numbers and this is a problem. To me it’s a gimmick ball in the same class as the AVX. I am not alone with this opinion. Just take a look at review videos with launch monitor data. You will see some shots that spin wild and some that don’t spin enough. It’s not about compression either..... the TP5 and both ProV1 models are superior IMO




    Three of the top 10 players in the world play TP5x. To call it a gimmick and put it into the same class as a ball that has no tour presence is kind of ridiculous IMO.



    Everyone will have different preferences and needs, and the 5x is most definitely not for everyone. I played TP5 all of 2017, but switched to TP5x in 2018 and played some of the best golf of my life. The spin characteristics are far more consistent than anything I've played before. My only gripe was short game spin and that's been addressed in the 2019 ball. Plus the 2019 ball is a little longer off the driver. Win-win for me.




    So Rickie games 1/2 club in the irons, and 10 yards with his Driver. He wins in the very first tournament he puts the ball in play.



    Of course... I did (like many others) wander whether that wedge pitch that ended up rolling into the water would have held the green if it were a ProV1X
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  • jll62jll62 ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 1,966 ClubWRX
    golfnhack wrote:

    jll62 wrote:

    wfrogge1 wrote:


    Tp5x was the longest for me off the tee and irons but it wasn’t consistent with spin numbers and this is a problem. To me it’s a gimmick ball in the same class as the AVX. I am not alone with this opinion. Just take a look at review videos with launch monitor data. You will see some shots that spin wild and some that don’t spin enough. It’s not about compression either..... the TP5 and both ProV1 models are superior IMO




    Three of the top 10 players in the world play TP5x. To call it a gimmick and put it into the same class as a ball that has no tour presence is kind of ridiculous IMO.



    Everyone will have different preferences and needs, and the 5x is most definitely not for everyone. I played TP5 all of 2017, but switched to TP5x in 2018 and played some of the best golf of my life. The spin characteristics are far more consistent than anything I've played before. My only gripe was short game spin and that's been addressed in the 2019 ball. Plus the 2019 ball is a little longer off the driver. Win-win for me.




    So Rickie games 1/2 club in the irons, and 10 yards with his Driver. He wins in the very first tournament he puts the ball in play.



    Of course... I did (like many others) wander whether that wedge pitch that ended up rolling into the water would have held the green if it were a ProV1X




    He could have been playing balata and that pitch may have still ended up over the green. It doesn't take much water between the ball and club face to reduce friction to the point where it's nearly impossible to get enough spin on the ball to hold.
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  • Josh L.Josh L. Advanced Members Posts: 300 ✭✭
    I believe it was Rickies second tournament with the Taylormade ball in play. Pretty sure he gamed it at Torrey.
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    dpb5031 wrote:


    For those worried/lamenting the "Tour only" versions, do you think TM executives sit around a conference table saying, "gee Dave, I think we should release the inferior version to the masses and save the special ones for our Tour staff. That should really help us boost sales and gain market share..."



    Silly




    Likely not.



    However they may release a ball to the masses that works best for average players, and release a ball on tour that works best for the pros.



    After all, they do it with golf clubs, why wouldn’t they do it with golf balls?
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  • OcRockRollerOcRockRoller Humble Donkey Advanced Members Posts: 169 ✭✭
    What's the difference between the 2019 tour tp5x and the retail. Slightly firmer compression and more spin?
  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Advanced Members Posts: 24,261 ✭✭
    wfrogge1 wrote:


    Tp5x was the longest for me off the tee and irons but it wasn’t consistent with spin numbers and this is a problem. To me it’s a gimmick ball in the same class as the AVX. I am not alone with this opinion. Just take a look at review videos with launch monitor data. You will see some shots that spin wild and some that don’t spin enough. It’s not about compression either..... the TP5 and both ProV1 models are superior IMO




    Having played the avx for two weeks when it came out I’d say that’s exactly the comparison I’d draw. The tp5x acts all most identical to avx to me. No real green side spin , and some times super hot and sometimes confusingly short off driver. It has to be spin irregularities. Honestly hoping the 19 ball has more green side check and consistent spin off irons.
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Advanced Members Posts: 24,261 ✭✭
    jll62 wrote:

    golfnhack wrote:

    jll62 wrote:

    wfrogge1 wrote:


    Tp5x was the longest for me off the tee and irons but it wasn’t consistent with spin numbers and this is a problem. To me it’s a gimmick ball in the same class as the AVX. I am not alone with this opinion. Just take a look at review videos with launch monitor data. You will see some shots that spin wild and some that don’t spin enough. It’s not about compression either..... the TP5 and both ProV1 models are superior IMO




    Three of the top 10 players in the world play TP5x. To call it a gimmick and put it into the same class as a ball that has no tour presence is kind of ridiculous IMO.



    Everyone will have different preferences and needs, and the 5x is most definitely not for everyone. I played TP5 all of 2017, but switched to TP5x in 2018 and played some of the best golf of my life. The spin characteristics are far more consistent than anything I've played before. My only gripe was short game spin and that's been addressed in the 2019 ball. Plus the 2019 ball is a little longer off the driver. Win-win for me.




    So Rickie games 1/2 club in the irons, and 10 yards with his Driver. He wins in the very first tournament he puts the ball in play.



    Of course... I did (like many others) wander whether that wedge pitch that ended up rolling into the water would have held the green if it were a ProV1X




    He could have been playing balata and that pitch may have still ended up over the green. It doesn't take much water between the ball and club face to reduce friction to the point where it's nearly impossible to get enough spin on the ball to hold.




    I agree with this idea. But. Watch that ball in slow mo. It tries to check. Indicating a pure strike and spin applied to the ball. Yet. It doesn’t grab at all. I know you think I’m just down on TM. But that’s not the case. I’ll play this ball if it works. But my first thought watching that live was “ see. See that’s exacrly what I’m seeing. It tries to grab. But it just doesn’t. And keeps on rolling “. I play the same type shot often. And most times with a v1x or b330 or bxs ball i couldn’t make it roll out of I tried from a tight lie. This ball (tp5x) is just like the avx in that it doesn’t grab. It rolls out. And that’s very hard to adjust to. Feels out of control.
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  • jll62jll62 ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 1,966 ClubWRX

    jll62 wrote:

    golfnhack wrote:

    jll62 wrote:

    wfrogge1 wrote:


    Tp5x was the longest for me off the tee and irons but it wasn't consistent with spin numbers and this is a problem. To me it's a gimmick ball in the same class as the AVX. I am not alone with this opinion. Just take a look at review videos with launch monitor data. You will see some shots that spin wild and some that don't spin enough. It's not about compression either..... the TP5 and both ProV1 models are superior IMO




    Three of the top 10 players in the world play TP5x. To call it a gimmick and put it into the same class as a ball that has no tour presence is kind of ridiculous IMO.



    Everyone will have different preferences and needs, and the 5x is most definitely not for everyone. I played TP5 all of 2017, but switched to TP5x in 2018 and played some of the best golf of my life. The spin characteristics are far more consistent than anything I've played before. My only gripe was short game spin and that's been addressed in the 2019 ball. Plus the 2019 ball is a little longer off the driver. Win-win for me.




    So Rickie games 1/2 club in the irons, and 10 yards with his Driver. He wins in the very first tournament he puts the ball in play.



    Of course... I did (like many others) wander whether that wedge pitch that ended up rolling into the water would have held the green if it were a ProV1X




    He could have been playing balata and that pitch may have still ended up over the green. It doesn't take much water between the ball and club face to reduce friction to the point where it's nearly impossible to get enough spin on the ball to hold.




    I agree with this idea. But. Watch that ball in slow mo. It tries to check. Indicating a pure strike and spin applied to the ball. Yet. It doesn't grab at all. I know you think I'm just down on TM. But that's not the case. I'll play this ball if it works. But my first thought watching that live was " see. See that's exacrly what I'm seeing. It tries to grab. But it just doesn't. And keeps on rolling ". I play the same type shot often. And most times with a v1x or b330 or bxs ball i couldn't make it roll out of I tried from a tight lie. This ball (tp5x) is just like the avx in that it doesn't grab. It rolls out. And that's very hard to adjust to. Feels out of control.




    When you're delivering that much loft at impact, it's impossible not to have some amount of backspin. But what you can't see with the naked eye or using slow motion is how much actual spin there actually is (the difference between 10,000 rpm and 2,000 rpm is hard to see, for example). What you saw with Rickie's pitch was the ball trying to check because it has some amount of backspin on it, but not there's nearly enough to stop the ball. As I stated above, this was all caused by lack of friction at impact due to water and not because of the ball.



    The original TP5x was hard for some people to control around the greens. No question about that. That's one of the reasons TM has tried to improve that aspect of performance with the 2019 model.
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  • dpb5031dpb5031 Advanced Members Posts: 4,937 ✭✭
    Rickie's shot you're all referencing was from wet grass. He caught a slight flier and that could have happened with any Tour level ball when some went grass gets between clubface and ball.



    I'll agree that the TP5x has less greenside spin than some other Tour balls, but it really comes down to preference and technique. Get just a smidge of wet grass between clubface and ball and that's all it takes for erratic spin, no matter the ball.



    The TP5x does spin a bit less around the greens than some other Tour level balls, but I actually prefer the way it reacts and have no problem pinching a low spinner that grabs off of a tight lie.



    I dont buy the "inconsistent" spin theories. If your seeing inconsistencies in spin and distance it's likely the inconsistencies in your swing, contact, and/or short game technique. Plenty get along with the TP5x just fine, and its actually quite popular among really good players.



    I'm looking forward to trying the new version.
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Advanced Members Posts: 24,261 ✭✭
    edited February 12
    dpb5031 wrote:


    Rickie's shot you're all referencing was from wet grass. He caught a slight flier and that could have happened with any Tour level ball when some went grass gets between clubface and ball.



    I'll agree that the TP5x has less greenside spin than some other Tour balls, but it really comes down to preference and technique. Get just a smidge of wet grass between clubface and ball and that's all it takes for erratic spin, no matter the ball.



    The TP5x does spin a bit less around the greens than some other Tour level balls, but I actually prefer the way it reacts and have no problem pinching a low spinner that grabs off of a tight lie.



    I dont buy the "inconsistent" spin theories. If your seeing inconsistencies in spin and distance it's likely the inconsistencies in your swing, contact, and/or short game technique. Plenty get along with the TP5x just fine, and its actually quite popular among really good players.



    I'm looking forward to trying the new version.




    I want to agree with your logic. But I went 2 rounds scoring highest scores for me in 6 months with tp5x. Pulled out my last sleeve of 15 v1x the next round and immediately had control of flight , wedges spin etc. and I have been swinging well for 5-6 months straight. Good groove. Anecdotal yes. But hard to argue with in practice. I just can’t seem to control this ball. When it hits the ground it has legs. And my shots just don’t normally have that. Ever. I bring it in high and hole high. Or low with tons of spin . Hole high. Even I high fade rolls some. But yet if I try to play for the roll it doesn’t really roll up. As in any false front kills it. Then it starts to get in your head. You hit what may just be a normal flier and poof. 5 yards over the back. You think “ **** ball “. And all confidence is lost. Bottom line is I’m looking for the Goldie locks of balls. Low spin off driver and mucho spin around the greens. Playing for roll is just adding a variable.



    As for good or tour players using it. I know it’s been argued already. But you know as well as I do they are playing a tuned version for them from the conforming list. Just like titleist guys. The left dot v1x is the ball id play if I could get it. The sleeves I’ve been given are just the flight and spin level I’d want off driver. And still more than enough green side. But you can’t buy that ball. The 19 v1x so far is much better than the 17 for sure. But I haven’t hit it in the wind yet.
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  • dpb5031dpb5031 Advanced Members Posts: 4,937 ✭✭

    dpb5031 wrote:


    Rickie's shot you're all referencing was from wet grass. He caught a slight flier and that could have happened with any Tour level ball when some went grass gets between clubface and ball.



    I'll agree that the TP5x has less greenside spin than some other Tour balls, but it really comes down to preference and technique. Get just a smidge of wet grass between clubface and ball and that's all it takes for erratic spin, no matter the ball.



    The TP5x does spin a bit less around the greens than some other Tour level balls, but I actually prefer the way it reacts and have no problem pinching a low spinner that grabs off of a tight lie.



    I dont buy the "inconsistent" spin theories. If your seeing inconsistencies in spin and distance it's likely the inconsistencies in your swing, contact, and/or short game technique. Plenty get along with the TP5x just fine, and its actually quite popular among really good players.



    I'm looking forward to trying the new version.




    I want to agree with your logic. But I went 2 rounds scoring highest scores for me in 6 months with tp5x. Pulled out my last sleeve of 15 v1x the next round and immediately had control of flight , wedges spin etc. and I have been swinging well for 5-6 months straight. Good groove. Anecdotal yes. But hard to argue with in practice. I just can’t seem to control this ball. When it hits the ground it has legs. And my shots just don’t normally have that. Ever. I bring it in high and hole high. Or low with tons of spin . Hole high. Even I high fade rolls some. But yet if I try to play for the roll it doesn’t really roll up. As in any false front kills it. Then it starts to get in your head. You hit what may just be a normal flier and poof. 5 yards over the back. You think “ **** ball “. And all confidence is lost. Bottom line is I’m looking for the Goldie locks of balls. Low spin off driver and mucho spin around the greens. Playing for roll is just adding a variable.



    As for good or tour players using it. I know it’s been argued already. But you know as well as I do they are playing a tuned version for them from the conforming list. Just like titleist guys. The left dot v1x is the ball id play if I could get it. The sleeves I’ve been given are just the flight and spin level I’d want off driver. And still more than enough green side. But you can’t buy that ball. The 19 v1x so far is much better than the 17 for sure. But I haven’t hit it in the wind yet.




    Well, I'll agree confidence is king 😎. If you're not confident in the 5x, fortunately there are many alternative brands. I've played well with it for over a year and shot the first bogey-free round of my life last week using the TP5X, so my confidence is very high with it.



    I love the TP5x and consider it the best ball I've ever used, especially in the wind. I'm a pretty high spin/high flight player though, and the flatter flight after reaching apex is good for me. I can also flight it down and still keep it flat, where I the ProV will want to rise.



    I've had no problems at all with short game with it but concede that it spins less than some others. I find it very consistent though...
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  • IHFNIHFN Advanced Members Posts: 1,785 ✭✭
    I'm amazed at how people react when a ball doesn't fit them. The ball isn't **** if it doesn't work for you. It just doesn't work for you and your swing or technique.



    For instance, the AVX is a bad fit for me and the course I play. It's a low flight causes problems because our greens are rock hard. Yet, I know this ball isn't a piece of junk. It just doesn't fit me. If I played a course that had soft greens, it would be a great ball and I'd be playing it.



    As for the TP5x greenside spin, I have no problems getting it to spin, but I do know others that can't get it to spin at all. What I like about it is I get consistent green side spin. I know what to expect when I'm into the grain vs away from the grain. I can play shots that don't check and shots that will one hop and stop.



    In the end there really aren't any "****" balls out there these days. They just all do slightly different things and finding the proper fit for your swing and technique is the key. Just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it won't work for everyone else too.
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Advanced Members Posts: 24,261 ✭✭
    edited February 13
    IHFN wrote:


    I'm amazed at how people react when a ball doesn't fit them. The ball isn't **** if it doesn't work for you. It just doesn't work for you and your swing or technique.



    For instance, the AVX is a bad fit for me and the course I play. It's a low flight causes problems because our greens are rock hard. Yet, I know this ball isn't a piece of junk. It just doesn't fit me. If I played a course that had soft greens, it would be a great ball and I'd be playing it.



    As for the TP5x greenside spin, I have no problems getting it to spin, but I do know others that can't get it to spin at all. What I like about it is I get consistent green side spin. I know what to expect when I'm into the grain vs away from the grain. I can play shots that don't check and shots that will one hop and stop.



    In the end there really aren't any "****" balls out there these days. They just all do slightly different things and finding the proper fit for your swing and technique is the key. Just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it won't work for everyone else too.




    Agree. Didn’t mean to imply that it was ****. But I did mean to say that it isn’t a game changer as reported. We’ve seen claims of 4 mph ballspeed from the 19 ball. Which I haven’t tested yet so we willl see. If it tests faster I’ll say it does. If it doesn’t I’ll say it doesn’t. If it spins around the green great. If it doesn’t .., well avx is the best comparison. And avx is a wonderful ball. If I played links courses always I may use it because you can count on it not spinning. Ever. So running shots in would be predictable.



    I’ll also add that spin is super subjective.



    When I say spin I’m talking about being able to hit that downhill 10-15 ft shot off a tight lie where you saw the legs out and the ball checks and dies. Or the wet shortsided bunker shot where you can get the ball to check hard and die inside a foot of where it hits. Or the 30-40 yard low pitch where you throw it 3 ft from the pin and watch it dance towards the cup and die. The older tp5 x. Tries to check but it just then rolls out the extra 3/5 ft. No good for my eye.
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  • North TexasNorth Texas Advanced Members Posts: 3,880 ✭✭
    IHFN wrote:


    I'm amazed at how people react when a ball doesn't fit them. The ball isn't **** if it doesn't work for you. It just doesn't work for you and your swing or technique.



    For instance, the AVX is a bad fit for me and the course I play. It's a low flight causes problems because our greens are rock hard. Yet, I know this ball isn't a piece of junk. It just doesn't fit me. If I played a course that had soft greens, it would be a great ball and I'd be playing it.



    As for the TP5x greenside spin, I have no problems getting it to spin, but I do know others that can't get it to spin at all. What I like about it is I get consistent green side spin. I know what to expect when I'm into the grain vs away from the grain. I can play shots that don't check and shots that will one hop and stop.



    In the end there really aren't any "****" balls out there these days. They just all do slightly different things and finding the proper fit for your swing and technique is the key. Just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it won't work for everyone else too.




    People on golfwrx need to save this post and read it over and over. Especially the last paragraph which no one can intelligently argue with.
  • c50soonerc50sooner Members Posts: 49 ✭✭
    dpb5031 wrote:


    Well, I'll agree confidence is king 😎. If you're not confident in the 5x, fortunately there are many alternative brands. I've played well with it for over a year and shot the first bogey-free round of my life last week using the TP5X, so my confidence is very high with it.



    I love the TP5x and consider it the best ball I've ever used, especially in the wind.




    +1 on TP5x delivering my first (and only) bogey-free round ever. Really great ball, and I think it's most underrated aspect is how well it performs off the putter.
    Callaway Epic SZ 10.5* - Aldila Rogue Max 65 S
    Callaway GBB 3 Wood - Kuro Kage TiNi S
    Callaway Apex 20, 23 Hybrid - Kuro Kage Black S
    Srixon Z355 4, 6-PW - NS Pro 950GH S
    Callaway MD2 47,52,56 - DG S300
    Odyssey White Hot RX Rossie
    TaylorMade TP5x
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