Anti-hook, low spin driver

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Search is on for a driver best suited to me. Currently playing a JDM TM SLDR with Matrix OZIK 7m3 xflex. When I'm on with it, its pretty good, but I think I might be missing the boat a bit with forgiveness. I'm 6'2", with about 110 SS, with several more mph on standby when needed and a pretty good transition. Getting a little older (late 40's), but still play pretty well, maybe 2-3 handicap. Being a baseball player in my younger days, I always found my miss to be left, and sometimes get a case of the snaps. I'm guessing something low spin and anti left, if it exists. G400 LST? Epic SZ? M3 440? I'm open to suggestions. I'd of course prefer something used to keep cost down, and keep the wife happy. Thanks in advance.
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  • AutomaticTwoDownAutomaticTwoDown Two down after two, time to get to work Members  458WRX Points: 101Handicap: 5Posts: 458 Greens
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    I’ve found that better tempo is the only thing that will prevent a snap hook.
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  • MSUIRONDAWGSMSUIRONDAWGS Members  748WRX Points: 86Posts: 748 Bunkers
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    nybluebird wrote:


    Search is on for a driver best suited to me. Currently playing a JDM TM SLDR with Matrix OZIK 7m3 xflex. When I'm on with it, its pretty good, but I think I might be missing the boat a bit with forgiveness. I'm 6'2", with about 110 SS, with several more mph on standby when needed and a pretty good transition. Getting a little older (late 40's), but still play pretty well, maybe 2-3 handicap. Being a baseball player in my younger days, I always found my miss to be left, and sometimes get a case of the snaps. I'm guessing something low spin and anti left, if it exists. G400 LST? Epic SZ? M3 440? I'm open to suggestions. I'd of course prefer something used to keep cost down, and keep the wife happy. Thanks in advance.




    Rogue SZ, kuro kage XD... I have some of these same characteristics and this combo for sure helps. However, as Automatic2down says, tempo is a factor on those also.
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  • Lip1337Lip1337 Members  604WRX Points: 58Posts: 604 Golden Tee
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    You didn’t mention the newest products... which would be flash SZ and F9 which are remarkable Drivers!



    If you search older models...



    XR16 pro or even SZ, 816 alpha DBD, the original M2 was a pretty good driver too, so is the F6+



    all that said, as you know, shaft is key!
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    The Ping G400 LST is pretty anti left. I fight the same problem when I step on it.
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  • cbbaroncbbaron Quincy MassMembers  1197WRX Points: 210Handicap: 9.1Posts: 1,197 Platinum Tees
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    G400 Max with Hzurdas yellow seems to of helped me but like said before tempo is a big key
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    Tempo...tempo...tempo...I can snap hook my KKDC all day unless i take it easy. A proper fitting will help but I can put a bad swing on the perfect setup and still get a bad result.
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  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Tasmania to CanadaMembers  13510WRX Points: 2,375Handicap: 1.6Posts: 13,510 Titanium Tees
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    The best older ones are Adams 9015d and 9016d



    G400 lst solid as well
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    Snap Hooker here and G400 Max all day every day
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  • BookerBooker Members  798WRX Points: 98Posts: 798 Golden Tee
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    The most fade bias driver other than a tour issued set up that is a lower spinning head with good MOIIMO, is the king LTD pro. Have a look at this head you can get them relatively cheap now.
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  • JagpilotohioJagpilotohio 45+ inch drivers are evil. Columbus, OHMembers  7274WRX Points: 582Handicap: 1.8Posts: 7,274 Titanium Tees
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    LTD pro. There is no better “anti hook “ low spin driver.



    ...and the bonus, it’s cheap now.





    Edit.....LOL! . Someone just beat me to it.....



    ....And I Forgot to add the original epic subzero. Couldn’t turn it over to save my life.
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  • Krt22Krt22 East BayMembers  9040WRX Points: 2,685Posts: 9,040 Titanium Tees
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    Forgiving driver + right shaft. I just got fit, main goal was to mitigate the snapper. Went from srixon z785 with addi6x and ended up with the epic flash (non Sub-Zero) and the speeder evolution v 757x. The soft handle in the addi felt great but was no good for my quick transition
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    With the new Ping G410 Plus, you can adjust the lie angle to 3 degrees flat at move the weight to the toe. Might be worth a shot.
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  • elwhippyelwhippy Members  3418WRX Points: 343Posts: 3,418 Titanium Tees
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    Learn to transfer your weight better and feel as if the clubhead is going left as fast as poss. Should stop the banana shots.
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  • nybluebirdnybluebird Members  426WRX Points: 50Posts: 426 Bunkers
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    Thanks for all the replies. Definitely wasn't looking for swing advice, lol ��. I'm the "busiest retired guy in th world", so beating balls at the range is likely not going to happen. That being said, I'm a former +2.5, and was fortunate enough a few years back to pass my P.A.T. on my one and only try. I've got a wife, 4 kids, 2 dogs, 2 horses, 5 acres, and 2 jobs to keep me away from the game I love....but I'll give it my best on the course in season.

    Best drivers I've found to date for me are: Adams 9015d, Cobra hs9x, and the PING i15. Dating myself a bit, obviously.

    I'd really like to try something used to keep the wife happy. Thinking about the g400 LST. Cobra LTD pro seems like a good, cheap option.
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  • golfguy1985golfguy1985 Members  161WRX Points: 48Handicap: 2Posts: 161 Fairways
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    For me the cobra Ltd pro wanted to go left. G400lst is a good one. If you fight the lefts I would keep the black tie because that shaft is excellent especially for fighting the hook. I would look into the epic sz and rogue sz but I always found original epic to be slightly more fade bias
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  • gripandripgripandrip Members  1184WRX Points: 210Posts: 1,184 Platinum Tees
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    EPIC SZ (original) has a pretty strong fade biased. Seen them out there pretty cheap now.

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    Ping i15
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    Taylormade drivers will have the least amount of draw bias of anyone. M3 or M5 would do the trick. And if you want to make sure of the face angle go Tour issue. You can buy heads for $400 brand new in M3 tour issue. I'd much rather have a year old Tour head than the most recent retail one.
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  • JagpilotohioJagpilotohio 45+ inch drivers are evil. Columbus, OHMembers  7274WRX Points: 582Handicap: 1.8Posts: 7,274 Titanium Tees
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    TollBros wrote:


    Taylormade drivers will have the least amount of draw bias of anyone. M3 or M5 would do the trick. And if you want to make sure of the face angle go Tour issue. You can buy heads for $400 brand new in M3 tour issue. I'd much rather have a year old Tour head than the most recent retail one.






    I get the idea the OP is talking about spending about $150 for the whole golf club.
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    I've yet to hook my 2017 M1 440 and it spun 2000 rpm less than Ping G400 LST when I tested them on Trackman.



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    cardoustie wrote:


    The best older ones are Adams 9015d and 9016d



    G400 lst solid as well


    I've got a 9015d in the basement and it's great, but I have probably hit it 10k times. Just looking for something a bit more, um, this decade lol.
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  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers  2163WRX Points: 306Handicap: ~7Posts: 2,163 Platinum Tees
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    TS3 with weight in the toe and the adapter set to fade.



    I play a high draw, set this way it became a high fade!



    Put the adapter back to neutral and now I kill it straight as a laser beam!

    Oh. If you want to keep price down, Cobra LTD Pro. Set to fade. Great antileft driver.
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    Gonna jump on the bandwagon and support the votes for LTD Pro set to fade and the Epic SZ.
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    A little older, but a Mizuno MP650 is low spin and very anti-hook
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    Epic SZ for me. You can get a discounted on CPO.
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  • BCULAWBCULAW Orlando, FLMembers  3820WRX Points: 346Posts: 3,820 Titanium Tees
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    I can hook the snot out of any driver. That said, I am incredibly impressed with the G400 LST. It is long, straight, and forgiving for this guy with the over the top miss.
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    LTD Pro, and it's grand daddy the BioCell Pro, my two favorite anti-left low spinners, I own them both.
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    If ur keeping it under 200... Ltd pro set to fade
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  • JustinTanJustinTan Members  16WRX Points: 0Handicap: 9.5Posts: 16 Bunkers
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    Dear OP,



    My personal opinion is that we need to understand better why you are snap-hooking. Without understanding your swing, there’s only so much recommendation that can be done.



    1) The Swing problem:



    Clubhead speed for the average golfer is 85 to 100 miles per hour. Let's say you're swinging down at 90 mph, and your body stops turning . What happens? Well, you're not stopping that clubhead, so it whips past you. The face flips closed, and you hit a snap-hook--a low screamer that turns left before it leaves the tee box.



    With most snap-hooks, there's another telltale sign: Your weight never shifts to your front foot during the downswing. Combine that with a stalled turn, and it's easy to snap it. Especially with uphill tee shots, where there's an urge to hang back and help the ball up, or when nerves or fatigue work against a full turn through the ball.



    Hence we golfers must always remember to get our belt buckle to the target. Keep turning until the middle of our body faces forward. And be sure to shift off that back foot. Shift forward, turn through. Then we can beat those nasty hooks.



    However, with some players, they have too much body action on the downswing. They slide their hips aggressively, which can cause the club to drop behind the body. The result often is a big block to the right causing the hands to move without the body which gives you a snap hook!



    2) The Club problem:



    Could it be the Driver Head’s CG design doesn’t suit your consistent impact position on the clubface?



    If you are hitting the ball with a positive face to path, but still getting a hook, it could be due to too much of a negative spin axis problem where you are hitting the ball off the toe of the club face.



    Just like how some people hit the ball in a in-to-out swing path but still play a fade(slice) because they created too much positive spin axis on the golf ball by striking it off the heel of the club face.



    Choose a driver that has a CG spot located as close to where you hit it out of consistently, that would help. Just like how, all the Slice players out there can buy the M6 D-Type driver to hit straight shots because the Sweet spot CG location of that driver is in the Heel!!



    So buy a driver head that has a CG closest to your consistent impact spot. I’m guessing that would be near the Toe.



    Based on all the drivers in 2018 (2019 drivers data not out yet), the G400Max has the CG closest to the toe. 2nd place would be an M3. Third is the G400LST.



    After we solve the above issue, then we can start looking at what launch conditions you want based on your angle of attack and select the head with the right loft and right front to back CG location.



    Please don’t mix up, in the 1st issue, we were filtering the driver heads according to Heel to Toe CG location to make up for the striking consistency.



    Front to back CG is more on launch characteristics and MOI forgiveness.



    Assuming you’re launching the ball fine. The next thing is to choose a driver that has a higher MOI so that the driver head weight is split over a larger mass which makes the club head more stable on off-center strikes hence mitigating the hook or slice effect.



    Imagine an old school persimmon wood with low MOI, any strike other than the sweet spot would cause the club face to “twist” you can feel it in your hands like the club wants to twist loose out of your grip. A large MOI club head being more stable, mitigates that effect which might help your snap hooks be less hooky lol.



    Another reason I could think of could be the shaft not being stiff enough and giving too much deflection upon release/impact. Perhaps playing a stiffer shaft depending on your swing speed and a shaft with slightly lower torque <3.5 might help.
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