A wall you simply cannot climb over

OTTOTT Members Posts: 186 ✭✭
edited Feb 4, 2019 1:09pm in Instruction & Academy #1
Just a bit curious to know if there's anyone out there that has put huge amounts of effort and time into certain areas of swing change but no matter how hard they try and how many drill they use they simply cannot get themselves to achieve.



I've always struggled a little with weight shift... Either staying on the back foot a bit too much it sliding too much in the transition causing me to get trapped.



I've always been taught to get into certain backswing positions at certain points but I always found that very easy to achieve.

Had a bit of a light Bulb moment today at the range.. I was clearly struggling with strike and decided I'd do a bit of fiddling....



I kept maybe 60% weight on the front foot and let the club do what it liked in the backswing.. nothing contrived, just a swing back and swing through. Was probably flat or under plane maynbe even on plane, with what I could feel.





Low point with all clubs was in front of the ball, all hits were draws or slight pushes and driver was high and right to left... No heavy contact, everything felt compressed properly and my misses were down to 2. A push or hook.



It goes completely against everything that I have been told to do the past 2-3 yrs through lessons.

Will it last? I have no idea but it's staying for the moment... The only issue I might see with it will be on the course under normal conditions and maybe different lies.
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  • Lincoln_ArcadiaLincoln_Arcadia We're supposed to be having fun here...yeah, right. Members Posts: 543
    Most people benefit from simply exaggerating the feel of overturning the hips and shoulders.



    In reality, they end up only barely getting their shoulders 90 degrees while the shoulders are still “connected” to the torso that is a good separation of the shoulders and chin at the top.
  • phillyspecialphillyspecial Members Posts: 489 ✭✭
    I’ve been trying to shallow properly for 5 years. I can do it in drills and produce some good looking video but once the real bullets are flying I yank the handle all day long. It’s sad really considering the amount of work I put in.
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker CAMembers Posts: 5,331 ✭✭
    I feel you OP. Whatever changes I’ve made are modest compared to the effort I’ve put in.



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    I have plenty of W.O.O.D. thoughts...."works only one day'. Golf is hard, keep at it !!! image/nyam.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':nyam:' />
  • ThinkingPlusThinkingPlus South TexasClubWRX Posts: 1,539 ClubWRX
    What I frequently find as a misunderstood concept is the weight transfer back during the backswing. Many times that is interpreted as a significant move or translation onto the trail side when in fact merely turning the shoulders typically gets more than enough weight transferred to the trail side. You probably were getting the proper amount of weight transfer with your turn, but with little translation making the transition to the lead side effortless in the down swing. Thus, repeated ball first contact.
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  • GautamaGautama Members Posts: 754 ✭✭
    I'm a huge believer in slow motion and partial swing work for changes that just won't take in the full swing. I mean like S L O W motion practice, and lots of 1/2 and 3/4 swings, then work your way up and drop back again when you start to lose it. I honestly don't think there's any other way to change habits in the swing, for me anyway.
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  • DeeBee30DeeBee30 Members Posts: 323 ✭✭
    The biggest challenge I struggle to overcome is failing to consistently fire my hips through on the downswing. I sometimes swing more with my upper body, which causes me to hit pulls/hooks. That can lead to over-correction and sliding the hips, which then causes a big push/slice.



    I’m working on some new practice techniques over the winter (Chicago) to nursing’s better technique, and I look forward to seeing the results this coming season.
  • Lincoln_ArcadiaLincoln_Arcadia We're supposed to be having fun here...yeah, right. Members Posts: 543
    If you’re trying to shift your weight then it’s already not correct.



    The pressure on the feet should naturally shift with a good shoulder turn.
  • AtraynAtrayn ClubWRX Posts: 2,053 ✭✭
    Most people get the weight shift wrong because they are thinking linearly or in 2D.

    The swing combines rotation and a weight shift. Face on it looks lateral, when in fact it is more diagonal.
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  • naval2006naval2006 ArgentinaMembers Posts: 966 ✭✭
    Like some say, there's a DNA in every swing, even the most uneducated ones. That you can't do much about to change. Say, a strong left hand grip or a sway to the right or a longish backswing. Changing that would take months or years of 500 balls a day, like Nick Faldo did back in the day. So your struggle is everybody's struggle. As you get more experienced you learn what you can touch in your swing and what you'd better not meddle with.
  • jholzjholz Members Posts: 1,358 ✭✭
    The only way that I have been able to make significant changes to my swing is to commit to not playing for an extended period of time, like an entire season.



    If you are willing to develop a plan, and commit to range time only, I think radical changes can be achieved.
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  • Lincoln_ArcadiaLincoln_Arcadia We're supposed to be having fun here...yeah, right. Members Posts: 543
    edited Feb 4, 2019 10:31am #13
    Atrayn wrote:
    Most people get the weight shift wrong because they are thinking linearly or in 2D.

    The swing combines rotation and a weight shift. Face on it looks lateral, when in fact it is more diagonal.




    There’s definitely truth to this.



    If someone could design an instrument to measure that shift then give a user a metric to attain, learning the golf swing could become so much easier for most.



    Watching people struggle on the driving ranges getting that elusive “weight shift” is truly depressing.



    It’s like that “secret move”, but it’s definitely not a secret because I hear instructors telling the students all the time.



    However, because it’s something people can’t measure nor feel correctly they don’t get it. That is until they figure it out one day, then it seems ludicrously simple.
  • David69David69 Members Posts: 242 ✭✭
    I committed last year to learning the proper way to draw all my shots and stop fading the ball. I’m now in the netherworld of disappointment and abject failure where I lost my old swing and still fight to draw consistently. And with woods it is impossible and now I basically have no swing at all. Zero confidence and zero ability. The only saving grace is that I have a nice hitting station to practice in the garage and my swing speed is up. Time for lessons, but even then I need to find the right teacher. It is a counterintuitive, insanity filled game that has little to no margin for error.
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  • jbw749jbw749 Members Posts: 1,128 ✭✭
    OTT wrote:


    Just a bit curious to know if there's anyone out there that has put huge amounts of effort and time into certain areas of swing change but no matter how hard they try and how many drill they use they simply cannot get themselves to achieve.



    I've always struggled a little with weight shift... Either staying on the back foot a bit too much it sliding too much in the transition causing me to get trapped.



    I've always been taught to get into certain backswing positions at certain points but I always found that very easy to achieve.

    Had a bit of a light Bulb moment today at the range.. I was clearly struggling with strike and decided I'd do a bit of fiddling....



    I kept maybe 60% weight on the front foot and let the club do what it liked in the backswing.. nothing contrived, just a swing back and swing through. Was probably flat or under plane maynbe even on plane, with what I could feel.





    Low point with all clubs was in front of the ball, all hits were draws or slight pushes and driver was high and right to left... No heavy contact, everything felt compressed properly and my misses were down to 2. A push or hook.



    It goes completely against everything that I have been told to do the past 2-3 yrs through lessons.

    Will it last? I have no idea but it's staying for the moment... The only issue I might see with it will be on the course under normal conditions and maybe different lies.




    Your first paragraph sums up just about everyone minus a small group who started very young while the mind was still developing.

    The barrier you will need to breakthrough is mental, especially if you've been playing for years. It's the reason you cant climb over the wall. Your weight shift lightbulb moment is not sustainable unless you can do it without consciously thinking about it.

    People are trying to solve learning the golf swing with conventional logic and it just doesn't work that way for many.

    Measure what a tour pro does subconsciously and have a middle aged weekender duplicate it consciously is never going to work no matter how logical it would seem.

  • Chowdah86Chowdah86 Members Posts: 334 ✭✭
    Not swing related. The putting stroke in general eludes me. I have tried all sorts of technical thoughts. I have tried no throughts at all. Grips of all kinds. Various heads etc.



    Generally, i can work out any kink in my swing by lookig at ball flight and impact then working back. The movements are bigger and more pronounced. When it comes to putting, its incredibly simple and mysterious at the same time.
  • SirFuegoSirFuego Members Posts: 167 ✭✭
    edited Feb 11, 2019 12:08pm #17
    A couple years ago, I got back into the game after playing very little golf (one or two rounds a year) for about 7 years prior to that. I decided to "do it right" and take some lessons, and actually put a formal practice plan together. The goal was to never "waste" a trip to the range by just beating balls. There was always a plan and I would stick to whatever my instructor suggested. I would also try to experiment between "internal" and "external" focus. After some initial success, I pretty much plateaued to the point that nothing was actually improving my swing.



    That fall, I decided to take a different approach and started to work with a TPI guy. That was what I needed to get over the hurdle. After we worked on improving my mobility, the drills I was given by my previous instructor quickly became a lot easier. The problem wasn't that I didn't know what to do, it's that my body wasn't letting me do it. I wasn't in the greatest of shape, so I decided to stick with it and that summer I started hitting the ball further (mostly due to more consistent contact and a better impact position) than I ever did before and my stamina on the course was much better (I prefer to walk when possible).



    Basically, I just found a different way to approach the same problem, and it worked for me. I have not experienced what I felt was a "plateau" since then.
  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,852 ✭✭
    Chowdah86 wrote:


    Not swing related. The putting stroke in general eludes me. I have tried all sorts of technical thoughts. I have tried no throughts at all. Grips of all kinds. Various heads etc.



    Generally, i can work out any kink in my swing by lookig at ball flight and impact then working back. The movements are bigger and more pronounced. When it comes to putting, its incredibly simple and mysterious at the same time.




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  • hartrick11hartrick11 San DiegoMembers Posts: 44 ✭✭
    Gautama wrote:


    I'm a huge believer in slow motion and partial swing work for changes that just won't take in the full swing. I mean like S L O W motion practice, and lots of 1/2 and 3/4 swings, then work your way up and drop back again when you start to lose it. I honestly don't think there's any other way to change habits in the swing, for me anyway.




    Agreed! I have been struggling for a while to flatten my swing, getting rid of the chicken wing and early release that leads to killer pull hooks, but until I adopted the "keep it slow for longer than you think you need" mantra, every fix has been a 1-2 round/range session fix. Finally feels like a light bulb has gone off, and now I am working to change my routine so that I can stick with this swing thought for good.

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  • elthrillelthrill Members Posts: 153 ✭✭
    you can overcome anything with focused effort on it. you may not be attacking it the correct way with the correct methods. get a fresh set of eyes on it. Trust me, ive overcome i believe every flaw known to man in the golf swing and now im a solid ball striker and have people i play with ask me about hitting irons. absolutely insane considering where I was 3 years ago.



    I will say the one flaw ive alwys had that I will absolutely fall into each swing, if I dont make a reminder to myself in my preshot routine is excessive bending/dipping of my upperbody in the backswing. Its always been something my body wants to do. I want to bend over in my backswing, where I should be feeling extension and being taller. setting up taller has helped, but I still want to get more forward bend in the backswing. its bad news when i do that because i have nothing to do but stand up out of the shot on the forward swing. i make daily practice swings. like 365 days a year for almost 3 yrs i swing a club and conscientiously work on this and it still isnt automatic. thats pretty insane to me.
  • David69David69 Members Posts: 242 ✭✭
    I went to Golftec and we identified about 6 major things that I need to work on to get back on track. Some flaws were corrected in set up - like - really understanding what a square face at set up looks and feels like - I was wayyy open, thinking I was closed! And 1 was my perception of what a true in to out swing feels like (once you are set up properly) - which is nearly impossible to "get" from watching a YouTube video. So some stuff in the golf swing is nearly impossible to diagnose without pro help. And if you practice the wrong things thinking that you are on to something - it makes everything worse.
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  • Chowdah86 wrote:


    Not swing related. The putting stroke in general eludes me. I have tried all sorts of technical thoughts. I have tried no throughts at all. Grips of all kinds. Various heads etc.



    Generally, i can work out any kink in my swing by lookig at ball flight and impact then working back. The movements are bigger and more pronounced. When it comes to putting, its incredibly simple and mysterious at the same time.




    I know this might sound glib, and you've probably heard similar before, but I was here. I was the guy who'd shoot 80 with 40 putts and literally could not hole a putt longer than 3 feet (and I missed half of those too). I took my putting stroke to a friend who putts lights out and he said "there's nothing wrong with your stroke", which freed me instantly. Instead of describing myself as a terrible putter to everyone and falling for a self-fulfilling prophecy as soon as I missed the first putt of the day, I began to just act like I could putt and forget the misses. It freed up my stroke and my mind and they started to drop. I'm now an average putter but I make my fair share and enjoy it again.

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