Could Augusta National Have a Local Rule Banning Leaving the Pin In?

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  • turtlekcturtlekc 1995 MN PGA WisconsinClubWRX Posts: 12,779 ClubWRX
    Hawkeye77 wrote:

    kevcarter wrote:


    Does anybody really think Fred Ridley is going to turn his back on the USGA?




    LOL, no and not just because he has a lot of good reasons to support the USGA. USGA is one of the founding partners of Drive, Chip & Putt, both AN and USGA involved in other initiatives over the years.




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  • Frankensteins MonsterFrankensteins Monster Members Posts: 6,680 ✭✭
    Augusta are all about preserving the history of the game. Leaving the flag is is as original golf rules as you can get.
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    This so important
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    I hope the bring back the stymie.
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  • OutBackHackOutBackHack Members Posts: 910 ✭✭
    Well the answer to your question is yes.

    So can we shut this thread down please....
  • Frankensteins MonsterFrankensteins Monster Members Posts: 6,680 ✭✭


    Well the answer to your question is yes.

    So can we shut this thread down please....


    Not correct. The only way they can say they’re going to prohibit leaving the flag in is if they say they’re not going to play by the USGA rules. A local rule CANNOT be made about the flagstick if they’re playing by USGA rules.
  • wfrogge1wfrogge1 Members Posts: 1,192 ✭✭
    Absolutely they could
  • xxioxxio Members Posts: 5,673 ✭✭
    Local cannot supercede a rule of golf.
  • SNIPERBBBSNIPERBBB Hit Ball Hard Members Posts: 2,178 ✭✭
    wfrogge1 wrote:


    Absolutely they could




    Anyone can make their own changes to the Rules. Then of course, you are not playing Golf. Just a game that resembles it.
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  • nsxguynsxguy Just anudder user FloridaMembers Posts: 5,567 ✭✭


    Well the answer to your question is yes.

    So can we shut this thread down please....




    Silly me.



    The OP's use of the phrase "Local Rule" made me think he was talking about the Masters playing the tournament by the Rules of Golf.



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  • mocokidmocokid Members Posts: 1,736 ✭✭
    Honestly, angc not standing by usga rule changes? aren't most of the usga top execs both now in the past, angc members?
  • tyorke1tyorke1 Members Posts: 2,220 ✭✭
    Ill make early prediction no flags .
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  • Roadking2003Roadking2003 AustinMembers Posts: 5,262 ✭✭
    mjen43 wrote:


    Sure they can.




    No, they can't if they want to play by the rules. Local rules are defined by the USGA.
  • CheckJVCheckJV Male Model Members Posts: 2,102 ✭✭
    “In order to ensure that play is conducted in accordance with the Rules of Golf, a Committee must not use a Local Rule to waive or modify the Rules of Golf simply because it might prefer a Rule to be different.”
  • nsxguynsxguy Just anudder user FloridaMembers Posts: 5,567 ✭✭
    tyorke1 wrote:


    Ill make early prediction no flags .




    No flags what ?



    And for my 2nd question, if you mean the Masters will NOT allow the players to leave the flagstick in while putting,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, got ca$h ??? image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

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  • wkuo3wkuo3 RELEASE Members Posts: 3,852 ✭✭
    By all means the Augusta National could impose a local rule for the tournament but, I doubt it will stand out as the one against the U.S.G.A. newly changed rules.

    Why, the local rules should have merit for being placed, not just out of disagreement with the sanctioning body. This will not be the battle ground the club will pick to make a stand.
  • VindogVindog Don't order the schnitzel. They're using schnauzer! Members Posts: 17,492 ✭✭
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  • MudguardMudguard Members Posts: 1,263 ✭✭
    I couldn't see any serious tournament doing something so drastic. The USGA and R&A would simply remove the tournament from Order of Merits, World Rankings etc, so the tournament could certainly exist and the winner would get a jacket and prize money but it would no longer be a major (the debate on how a tournament is actually a major is another discussion) and therefore become less attractive to players.
  • deadsolid...shankdeadsolid...shank ClubWRX Posts: 14,669 ClubWRX
    Mudguard wrote:


    I couldn't see any serious tournament doing something so drastic. The USGA and R&A would simply remove the tournament from Order of Merits, World Rankings etc, so the tournament could certainly exist and the winner would get a jacket and prize money but it would no longer be a major (the debate on how a tournament is actually a major is another discussion) and therefore become less attractive to players.




    I think'ths Masters can pretty much do whatever they want without ever jeopardizing their status. The USGA ands R &A don’t determine what is a major, and it won’t ever get less attractive to the players.
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  • maamoldmaamold Matt Aamold Members Posts: 178 ✭✭


    Why would they possibly care?




    Because leaving the pin in is a measured advantage.
  • wobgonwobgon Members Posts: 7,494 ✭✭
    Club Guru wrote:


    1. Augusta could use pins that aren’t conducive to keeping them in for putts if they want to negate this awful rule.

    2. I may puke if I see someone win the masters this year with a putt on 18 that clanks in off the flag stick.


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  • maamoldmaamold Matt Aamold Members Posts: 178 ✭✭
    Club Guru wrote:


    1. Augusta could use pins that aren’t conducive to keeping them in for putts if they want to negate this awful rule.

    2. I may puke if I see someone win the masters this year with a putt on 18 that clanks in off the flag stick.




    That's a great point, Augusta could just change to pins with a larger lower portion, one large enough that the ball has no chance of going in the hole if it's left in.
  • HitEmTrueHitEmTrue North TexasMembers Posts: 6,371 ✭✭
    maamold wrote:

    Club Guru wrote:


    1. Augusta could use pins that aren’t conducive to keeping them in for putts if they want to negate this awful rule.

    2. I may puke if I see someone win the masters this year with a putt on 18 that clanks in off the flag stick.




    That's a great point, Augusta could just change to pins with a larger lower portion, one large enough that the ball has no chance of going in the hole if it's left in.




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  • wobgonwobgon Members Posts: 7,494 ✭✭
    maamold wrote:



    Why would they possibly care?




    Because leaving the pin in is a measured advantage.


    To whom?
  • mjen43mjen43 Members Posts: 939 ✭✭
    edited Feb 4, 2019 12:00am #56

    mjen43 wrote:


    Sure they can.




    No, they can't if they want to play by the rules. Local rules are defined by the USGA.




    Rules as defined by the USGA. The USGA doesn’t own golf though so i wouldn’t have a problem if they wanted to play by different rules, which is certainly something AN could do.
  • mjen43mjen43 Members Posts: 939 ✭✭
    SNIPERBBB wrote:

    wfrogge1 wrote:


    Absolutely they could




    Anyone can make their own changes to the Rules. Then of course, you are not playing Golf. Just a game that resembles it.




    What game is football? Youth, high school, NCAA, NFL, CFL?



    What game is basketball? Youth, high school, NCAA, Euro, NBA?



    What is baseball? Youth, high school, NCAA, MLB?



    All other sports have different rule subsets and I think most would consider it them all to be the same sport. I don’t see why golf has to play by the same rules for every level or event. It would still be golf if AN made some rule improvements, the USGA doesn’t own golf.



  • PZeroPZero Members Posts: 11,379 ✭✭
    They could just make the sticks bigger...



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  • deadsolid...shankdeadsolid...shank ClubWRX Posts: 14,669 ClubWRX
    To those saying they can’t do it (or worse, then they’re not playing golf, what a crock), guess what. If they were to announce they were playing it that way, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, NONE, players are going to say, “well, then I’m not playing”. And whoever wins it, they’re counting it as major win.
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  • OufcfanOufcfan Banbury, Oxfordshire , EnglandMembers Posts: 41 ✭✭
    edited Feb 4, 2019 5:27am #60
    And zero players are going to stay away if they continue to use the actual rules of golf.

    Thankfully, there is absolutely no chance of Augusta deciding that they will unilaterally change the rules of the game just for their tournament.



    Why on earth would they even want to?



    Maybe they can use the rules that my old club used to have on the captain’s charity day, using a piece of string and allowing a kick, a throw and a mulligan .....it’s still golf, right?
  • GolfTurkeyGolfTurkey Members Posts: 566 ✭✭
    edited Feb 4, 2019 6:11am #61
    Well if Augusta want to get ridiculous with local rules... I watched Chess boxing for the first time recently. Some German guy look a few good shots from a Russian and then made a terrible move to give away his queen and lose the game.





    Golf boxing you leave the pin in and play 2 holes then box one round with a playing partner and repeat. I can think of a few fun pairings like Sergio with Koepka and Reed with Rahm.
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