Honma Experts - Is the new TW 747 Series Made in Japan or China/Taiwan?

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I understand that after the 727 Series, Honma made the 737 series in Taiwan so the heads and shafts don't say Made in Japan, Sakata anymore. Where is the new 747 series made? Did they bring it back to Japan?



Can't seem to find that info anywhere. Thank you.
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  • tsupotsupo  1224WRX Points: 126ClubWRX Posts: 1,224 Platinum Tees
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    depends who u ask............... ask them they say they are made in sakata



    ask another, they say MIC.



    I don't know aactually, I don't trust many peops any longer.
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  • xxioxxio Cebu, Philippines 5824WRX Points: 287Members Posts: 5,824 Titanium Tees
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    If it is Made in Sakata it will say so on the hosel.
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    Miura experts...please respond. How many miles from Himeji to Sakata?
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    Doublebuck wrote:


    Miura experts...please respond. How many miles from Himeji to Sakata?




    Is this the latest Miura myth, that they spin weld/coin forge for Honma as well?
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    What does this have to do with Miura?
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    What does this have to do with Miura?




    Sorry, I meant to write Honma, not Miura.
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  • Bimmer1Bimmer1  2551WRX Points: 101Members Posts: 2,551 Titanium Tees
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    I see Tour Spec Golf just listed the new 2019 Honma products today in the “new” section (including the new utility iron and forged irons) The utility iron doesn’t have the description but the forged irons say “thanks to the meticulous crafting and high standards at Honma's Sakata Japan facility.”



    And.....lots of great shaft options for the new 747v irons!
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    TW 737 not made in Japan , oddly enough just at the weekend I looked at every TW737 iron,Vn,V and Vs all had Made in Japan Sakata on the hosel above the model script, so does the TW747Vx iron also.
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    From the TSG Blog: The new 747 returns to being finished in Japan instead of China like the 737 series was. Sakata Studio does a 2 layer nickel & chrome plating + satin finish + gloss portions and a hand-painted silver finish in specific areas. No other OEM is doing this let alone doing it in Japan. Honma is returning to its roots and doing things right!
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  • xxioxxio Cebu, Philippines 5824WRX Points: 287Members Posts: 5,824 Titanium Tees
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    littleeasy wrote:


    TW 737 not made in Japan , oddly enough just at the weekend I looked at every TW737 iron,Vn,V and Vs all had Made in Japan Sakata on the hosel above the model script, so does the TW747Vx iron also.




    I was in Tokyo last November and I saw different model 737s that had Made in Sakata on the hosel.



    I have also seen 737s locally (Philippines) that have nothing on the hosel. I asked one of them where he purchased them, he said in the USA.



    Where did you see the 737s you were looking at?
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    I understand that after the 727 Series, Honma made the 737 series in Taiwan so the heads and shafts don't say Made in Japan, Sakata anymore. Where is the new 747 series made? Did they bring it back to Japan?



    Can't seem to find that info anywhere. Thank you.


    I have the TW 737 Vn irons with Vizard shafts. The Vizard shafts are made at the Sakata factory (according to their video), but I've also heard the heads were made MIC and assembled in Japan. Let me check the hosels to see if they say made in Japan or not.
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  • littleeasylittleeasy  137WRX Points: 75Members Posts: 137 Fairways
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    xxio wrote:

    littleeasy wrote:


    TW 737 not made in Japan , oddly enough just at the weekend I looked at every TW737 iron,Vn,V and Vs all had Made in Japan Sakata on the hosel above the model script, so does the TW747Vx iron also.




    I was in Tokyo last November and I saw different model 737s that had Made in Sakata on the hosel.



    I have also seen 737s locally (Philippines) that have nothing on the hosel. I asked one of them where he purchased them, he said in the USA.



    Where did you see the 737s you were looking at?




    I’m in the UK





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  • littleeasylittleeasy  137WRX Points: 75Members Posts: 137 Fairways
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    Just had a quick lookee on eBay, looks like a different Finnish on tw737 for USA, found these from us seller, no Sakata on hosel, yet sets from Japan and Australian sellers have different chrome Finnish and have Made in Japan Sakata







    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-RH-Honma-Tour-World-TW737Vn-4-10-W-Forged-Iron-Set-DG-S300-AMT-Stiff-Steel/163517555000?hash=item261267e138:g:u-4AAOSwBWJbU0Ot





    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honma-TW737V-5-10-NSPro-Modus-3-Tour-105-S-2017-190201012-Irons/323676627732?hash=item4b5ca16314:g:cp0AAOSwMpFcVLuH

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  • NDGolfer13NDGolfer13  1424WRX Points: 322Handicap: GolfMembers Posts: 1,424 Platinum Tees
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    The 747 for sure forged in Japan. They are nice clubs. I hit the irons over the weekend and was impressed.
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    From the TSG Blog: The new 747 returns to being finished in Japan instead of China like the 737 series was. Sakata Studio does a 2 layer nickel & chrome plating + satin finish + gloss portions and a hand-painted silver finish in specific areas. No other OEM is doing this let alone doing it in Japan. Honma is returning to its roots and doing things right!




    Does this mean that the blank heads are forged in China though? Not surprising and automatically bad if it is.



    As a side note, let's see if honma is still glorious at tsg when they lose the account.
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  • coopscoops  1264WRX Points: 191Members Posts: 1,264 Platinum Tees
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    LionGolfer wrote:



    From the TSG Blog: The new 747 returns to being finished in Japan instead of China like the 737 series was. Sakata Studio does a 2 layer nickel & chrome plating + satin finish + gloss portions and a hand-painted silver finish in specific areas. No other OEM is doing this let alone doing it in Japan. Honma is returning to its roots and doing things right!




    Does this mean that the blank heads are forged in China though? Not surprising and automatically bad if it is.



    As a side note, let's see if honma is still glorious at tsg when they lose the account.




    Hmmmm, yes the careful wording of them being 'finished' (not produced/forged/cast/made) in Japan is the giveaway.



    check out this old thread at Tourspecgolf

    http://forum.tourspe...ata-50-reasons/



    read on past the first gushing post to lower down...



    "Despite what I said earlier in this post I have been told that most products besides the shafts are now made in China/Vietnam etc..... but the finishing and completion of the product is done in Japan.



    So what do I have to say about that? Its a bummer. 90% of their products say Made in Japan at Sakata Factory on the neck.



    In my opinion its not ok to make a head in China and complete it in Japan then say Made in Japan. "





    and this:-

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    [background=rgb(74, 74, 74)] On 6/23/2017 at 10:54 AM, supo said: [/background]



    well, what the **** does that gigantic factory in sakata make then?????


    Finishing

    they roll shafts

    assembly

    badges & paint work

    polishing

    packing and shipping

    etc..

    They never had a forging press and they no longer run the casting machines for head manufacturing. "







    That's my 'bold' font above - never had a forging press, eh? hmmmmm.
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  • tsupotsupo  1224WRX Points: 126ClubWRX Posts: 1,224 Platinum Tees
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    hence why i said i dont trust anyone any more...sakata on the hosel...
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    When you say can't trust anyone anymore does that include TSG?



    I remember rumors of the opposite happening before. TM 300 heads being forged in Japan then being finished in Taiwan and having Made in Taiwan (maybe China) on the hosel.

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    It’s my understanding from the Honma European distributor that two versions of 737’s were made. For UK market they were made in Sakata, for US market made in China. I just saw the 747s in Japan last week and made in Sakata was on the hosel.
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    xxio wrote:




    When you say can't trust anyone anymore does that include TSG?






    Hahaha...
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    golftech wrote:
    It’s my understanding from the Honma European distributor that two versions of 737’s were made. For UK market they were made in Sakata, for US market made in China. I just saw the 747s in Japan last week and made in Sakata was on the hosel.




    This is true. All the Honma 737 clubs in Japan will say Made in Sakata on their irons as well as their metal woods. I was surprised to come across some 737 metal woods that had it on the hosel. The other difference was the weight was dark and not chrome.



    I am anxiously awaiting the 747 at our local shop because of the conforming list pics with duplicate models/versions without the Made in Sakata designation on the line of woods. Fingers crossed.
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    I just got the TW 747P irons here in the U.S.



    There is no "Made In Japan Sakata" stamped on the hosel, only the serial number etched on the ferrule.



    BUT, the removable bar code sticker that's on the shaft says "HONMA" "Made In Japan" image/dntknw.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dntknw:' />



    Also, the model number on the box and bar code sticker has "US" added to end of it. I guess designated for the US market.



    Only thing that is permanently stamped "Made In Japan" is on the shaft under the NS PRO 950GH logo.
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    I just got the TW 747P irons here in the U.S.



    There is no "Made In Japan Sakata" stamped on the hosel, only the serial number etched on the ferrule.



    BUT, the removable bar code sticker that's on the shaft says "HONMA" "Made In Japan" image/dntknw.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dntknw:' />



    Also, the model number on the box and bar code sticker has "US" added to end of it. I guess designated for the US market.



    Only thing that is permanently stamped "Made In Japan" is on the shaft under the NS PRO 950GH logo.




    Maybe they don't stamp it on iron heads the way they do on woods. Not sure though. This is all new to me. The 727 Woods (driver, 5 wood and hybrid) I bought on Ebay have Made In Japan Sakata on both the heads and the shafts.
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  • Bimmer1Bimmer1  2551WRX Points: 101Members Posts: 2,551 Titanium Tees
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    Are the 747P irons forged? I’m thinking the new cast utility iron and other cast (non-forged) models probably are not made in Japan.
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    Bimmer1 wrote:


    Are the 747P irons forged? I'm thinking the new cast utility iron and other cast (non-forged) models probably are not made in Japan.




    The 747P's are cast, but are priced the same as the forged 747V's and Rose Protos at $150/iron.
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    Not sounding too promising there Ramon. I would imagine the cast head would be made elsewhere but to be priced the same as the forged models is crazy.
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    hahaa A ..

    , good call.. no i have no issues at all with tsg they have always beem the utmost professionals with me.

    ive lost faith in humanity.. i mean forumity

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    4rheel wrote:


    Not sounding too promising there Ramon. I would imagine the cast head would be made elsewhere but to be priced the same as the forged models is crazy.




    Honma was actually known for their casting process in the 90's. A 17 step process that produced a soft feeling metal, yet still very durable.

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    Saw the new driver and looks pretty slick....looked similar to 737
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    Doesnt seem to be that big a deal to me.....a forging press doesnt give a s*** where it strikes the head.....if QC is up to standards and they are overseen who cares....probably have newer machines in China and Taiwan anyway......just because it's in japan doesnt mean its gold.....depends on factory, QC, tolerances, and how tight a ship they run imo........if everything is run the same and steel they get is same, wont matter
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