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  • StoochStooch Members  1234WRX Points: 899Handicap: 15Posts: 1,234 Platinum Tees
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    I'm not sure about how many more big names we'll get cause right after the event you'd have to fly across the Ocean and multiple time zones and then play back to back Majors. But best of luck to all who wanna take it on, but I bet SHP doesn't play she likes to come into the Majors fresh

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    On -, @18majors said:

    So Yeon Ryu and Inbee Park will play Doosan Match Play Championship, a KLPGA event, starting May 15, 2019.
    Inbee is the defending champion.

    I wonder whether Inbee's experience of playing less has impacted So Yeon? The fact that Inbee is still playing is somewhat surprising. Booking a win in each of 2017 and 2018 and still having pretty good stats in driving accuracy, GIR, putting shows how talented she is. On the otherhand, she did lose the ANA in a playoff (not from bad play but still didn't win) and coughed up the 54 hole lead at the Kia this year. I also think there were a few long shot situations were she was hanging around through two rounds but couldn't get anything going or went in reverse on the weekend. None of these potential wins would have really changed much for Inbee but you also wonder if a bit more practice would have made the difference in these events or if she'd be winning a bit more over the last 2.33 seasons (not back to 2013-2015 levels for the same reasons mentioned re Lydia). Regardless, Inbee doesn't really have anything to prove to anyone so no one really cares that she didn't win a couple of times. Most likely, one day we'll read that she's having a kid and that will be it.

    For as good as Ryu is, I'd still say she's a cut below various player we could list (from a raw talent perspective). I think she got to #1 briefly from a lot of hard work over a compressed period. Just from a mental/lifestyle perspective, it probably wasn't sustainable. If we also look at the list of wins among active Korean players (mentioned by Argonne/you), Ryu is noteworthy but doesn't really standout.

    I hope she (So Yeon) can find something and have a good 2019-2020. Things only need to click for a few short periods to notch some notable wins. But I could see the fall-off being quite harsh if there is any noticeable drop-off in the commitment, time hitting balls, etc.

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    Minjee and Jin Young Ko teaming up for the Dow. I'm a little surprised. I would've thought maybe JYK and Lucky 6 would team up and maybe Minjee and Su Oh or Hannah Green even Katherine Kirk. Current #1 and #2 should be interesting.
    And a pairing for all you fans of distance off the tee discussions, Lydia and InGee. I didn't expect this pairing as well. It sounds like some of the ladies may be a little afraid to ask each other to the dance at the present. Maybe these announcements will kick things into gear.

    Surprised as well, but it makes sense I guess because of their recent play and they both appear to have the same temperament on the course? Don't know, but they would appear the team to beat for sure as of right now.

    Love the In Gee/Lyds pairing, almost tempted to make a trip to see this one if work doesn't get in the way. Personally I hope they dominate to show you don't need distance to win.

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    Minjee and Jin Young Ko teaming up for the Dow. I'm a little surprised. I would've thought maybe JYK and Lucky 6 would team up and maybe Minjee and Su Oh or Hannah Green even Katherine Kirk. Current #1 and #2 should be interesting.
    And a pairing for all you fans of distance off the tee discussions, Lydia and InGee. I didn't expect this pairing as well. It sounds like some of the ladies may be a little afraid to ask each other to the dance at the present. Maybe these announcements will kick things into gear.

    Surprised as well, but it makes sense I guess because of their recent play and they both appear to have the same temperament on the course? Don't know, but they would appear the team to beat for sure as of right now.

    Love the In Gee/Lyds pairing, almost tempted to make a trip to see this one if work doesn't get in the way. Personally I hope they dominate to show you don't need distance to win.

    No question; the team of Lydia and In Gee is worth a trip; two of the most likable golfers in the world.
    In Gee probably will get fat before her European trip; with unlimited supplies of goodies from Lydia for all four days.

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    On -, @agolf1 said:

    On -, @18majors said:

    So Yeon Ryu and Inbee Park will play Doosan Match Play Championship, a KLPGA event, starting May 15, 2019.
    Inbee is the defending champion.

    For as good as Ryu is, I'd still say she's a cut below various player we could list (from a raw talent perspective). I think she got to #1 briefly from a lot of hard work over a compressed period. Just from a mental/lifestyle perspective, it probably wasn't sustainable. If we also look at the list of wins among active Korean players (mentioned by Argonne/you), Ryu is noteworthy but doesn't really standout.

    If we rank active Korean players born 1990 or before:
    Inbee Park, Jiyai Shin, So Yeon Rye, Na Yeon Choi, In Kyung Kim
    So Yeon is ahead of Na Yeon; because Na Yeon has never reached world No. 1.
    For the younger players; Sung Hyun Park, Jin Young Ko and Lucky 6 will probably surpass So Yeon in achievement.
    Can So Yeon surpass Jiyai Shin; probably not?
    Jiyai Shin was the first Korean No. 1; she was No.1 for a total of 25 weeks to 19 for So Yeon.
    Jiyai is a winning machine: 11 LPGA, 21 KLPGA, 23 JLPGA and one major.
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    "The top five players in college golf will no longer get a fast-pass to Q-Series. The LPGA’s 2019 Q-School fact sheet is out and this year players ranked Nos. 1-5 in college golf as of the entry deadline on Aug. 12 will be exempt into the second stage of LPGA Q-School.
    In addition to the college rankings, those ranked Nos. 1-5 in the World Amateur Golf Rankings as of Aug. 12 will also be exempt into the final round."

    https://golfweek.com/2019/05/09/how-changes-to-q-series-affect-college-players-and-amateurs/

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    On -, @18majors said:

    On -, @agolf1 said:

    On -, @18majors said:

    So Yeon Ryu and Inbee Park will play Doosan Match Play Championship, a KLPGA event, starting May 15, 2019.
    Inbee is the defending champion.

    For as good as Ryu is, I'd still say she's a cut below various player we could list (from a raw talent perspective). I think she got to #1 briefly from a lot of hard work over a compressed period. Just from a mental/lifestyle perspective, it probably wasn't sustainable. If we also look at the list of wins among active Korean players (mentioned by Argonne/you), Ryu is noteworthy but doesn't really standout.

    If we rank active Korean players born 1990 or before:
    Inbee Park, Jiyai Shin, So Yeon Rye, Na Yeon Choi, In Kyung Kim
    So Yeon is ahead of Na Yeon; because Na Yeon has never reached world No. 1.
    For the younger players; Sung Hyun Park, Jin Young Ko and Lucky 6 will probably surpass So Yeon in achievement.
    Can So Yeon surpass Jiyai Shin; probably not?
    Jiyai Shin was the first Korean No. 1; she was No.1 for a total of 25 weeks to 19 for So Yeon.
    Jiyai is a winning machine: 11 LPGA, 21 KLPGA, 23 JLPGA and one major.
    I

    Good comparison. I'm mixed on where to rank NYC vs Ryu. Personally, I don't put much on the #1 ranking by itself. I think the biggest pro for Ryu is 2 majors, but people can raise issues with the 2nd one...

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    NYC has one major, but three more wins. Honestly, I'd have to flip a coin to decide which of the two has been more successful. Unfortunately I don't think either has quite lived up to their potential. Na Yeon has been derailed by injury, and So Yeon has simply run into a wall of young talent that didn't exist during NYC's prime years.

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    On -, @18majors said:

    "The top five players in college golf will no longer get a fast-pass to Q-Series. The LPGA’s 2019 Q-School fact sheet is out and this year players ranked Nos. 1-5 in college golf as of the entry deadline on Aug. 12 will be exempt into the second stage of LPGA Q-School.
    In addition to the college rankings, those ranked Nos. 1-5 in the World Amateur Golf Rankings as of Aug. 12 will also be exempt into the final round."

    https://golfweek.com/2019/05/09/how-changes-to-q-series-affect-college-players-and-amateurs/

    I think that's a fair change.

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    "How big is Ariya Jutanugarn in Thailand?
    Well, they’re making a movie about her. Jutanguarn recently posted pictures on Instagram of the actresses who play her and sister Moriya at different stages of their lives in the movie."

    https://golfweek.com/2019/05/11/the-ariya-jutanugarn-movie-is-coming-and-its-pretty-surreal-for-the-lpga-star/

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    Yealimi Noh has no luck since turning pro in January; she hasn't been able to Monday qualify any LPGA tournaments, and she didn't break into top 10 in two Symetra Tour events.
    Nevertheless, she's a little success at The Cactus Tour; finishing second and first in her latest two outings.

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    On -, @Stooch said:

    I'm not sure about how many more big names we'll get cause right after the event you'd have to fly across the Ocean and multiple time zones and then play back to back Majors. But best of luck to all who wanna take it on, but I bet SHP doesn't play she likes to come into the Majors fresh

    I hope the LPGA tries to make things easier for players to compete in this event. I know that sometimes events charter planes for players so they can get to the next event asap. I believe the John Deer on the PGA Tour does this since the usually fall right before the Open Championship. I know the LPGA has done this with Portland to the Canadian Open and vice-versa. It also used to charter planes to and from the event in Morelia, Mexico since there were only 2-3 flights to the US per day at the time.
    It will be tough either way, back-to-back majors and and a 4th possible event with the Ladies Scottish Open. It almost wouldn't make sense to fly over and not compete in that 4th event.

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    On -, @fredogolfer said:

    On -, @Stooch said:

    I'm not sure about how many more big names we'll get cause right after the event you'd have to fly across the Ocean and multiple time zones and then play back to back Majors. But best of luck to all who wanna take it on, but I bet SHP doesn't play she likes to come into the Majors fresh

    I hope the LPGA tries to make things easier for players to compete in this event. I know that sometimes events charter planes for players so they can get to the next event asap. I believe the John Deer on the PGA Tour does this since the usually fall right before the Open Championship. I know the LPGA has done this with Portland to the Canadian Open and vice-versa. It also used to charter planes to and from the event in Morelia, Mexico since there were only 2-3 flights to the US per day at the time.
    It will be tough either way, back-to-back majors and and a 4th possible event with the Ladies Scottish Open. It almost wouldn't make sense to fly over and not compete in that 4th event.

    This seems like very bad scheduling on the tour's part. There are various breaks and they could have left a week between tournaments when crossing the Atlantic. Also, I think the idea of back-to-back majors is kind of silly. Even more, I think they should put the Scottish ahead of the British, so the players have 1 week (playing or practice if they take it off) getting used to the different style of golf. Anyone know if these factors are supposed to change next year?

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    I think the Scottish Open will be fine cause there's a week off after it. If the Canadian Open was to be played right after the Scottish Open then probably lots of players would have skipped it (the girls like to play in front of the big Canadian crowds).

    I think the biggest problem with the schedule is they have no room at the back end. There are way too many weeks off at the start of the season but because the geographic location and weather condition many of the events can't be added to the early part of the year. I'm no expert in the Portland area but the weather should be good enough now for an early slot to the year. The Manulife in Canada was always a victim of this. It close to the time of the year when the event would go off but our courses are sketchy as **** right now in Southern Ontario, it could be good or it could be bad and with Canadian winters it's usually bad lol. Many times the course was a mess, like the year the lines were gauged into the fairway as some sort of aeration technique and a harsh winter allowed for no recovery from the course. If Whan were smart he'd go to RBC and ask for a 3 million dollar purse and an event in BC Canada, they spend so much on golf they'd probably have no problem with it. Then you could arguably throw Portland and BC after the Mediheal and tighten up the start of the year and have more flexibly at the back end of the season.

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    It took a long time for LPGA to reach $3.0 million purse milestone; it took longer for Symetra Tour to reach $300,000.
    Finally, ZIMMER BIOMET CHAMPIONSHIP HOSTED BY NANCY LOPEZ will offer $300,000 purse.
    It'll be a 72 hole event to be played May 23-26.

    symetratour.com/tournaments/tbd/overview

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    Ha Ha I just noticed the **** in my post, the word I used was "H e l l" and it got censored, the PC police even took away the H-word lol what is society coming to :)

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    With a small purse of $1,300,000; Pure Silk Championship plays like a giant tournament due to a favorable schedule.
    Being the only tournament between MEDIHEAL and USWO; nine of world's top 10 have signed up on the preliminary list.
    Inbee Park, who will play KLPGA next week, is the only one absent.

    https://kingsmill.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/2019-PSC-Preliminary-List-Alpha-5.6.19.pdf

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    With nothing scheduled for several weeks, I watched the Buick LPGA from last season. Danielle had a great back nine, but Lydia and Sei Young were in the hunt.

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    On -, @18majors said:

    With a small purse of $1,300,000; Pure Silk Championship plays like a giant tournament due to a favorable schedule.
    Being the only tournament between MEDIHEAL and USWO; nine of world's top 10 have signed up on the preliminary list.
    Inbee Park, who will play KLPGA next week, is the only one absent.

    https://kingsmill.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/2019-PSC-Preliminary-List-Alpha-5.6.19.pdf

    I've always liked this tournament. It seems like it usually attracts a decent group of players.

    Maybe In Gee can have a good result. 2nd and T2 the last two years...

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    On -, @agolf1 said:

    On -, @18majors said:

    With a small purse of $1,300,000; Pure Silk Championship plays like a giant tournament due to a favorable schedule.
    Being the only tournament between MEDIHEAL and USWO; nine of world's top 10 have signed up on the preliminary list.
    Inbee Park, who will play KLPGA next week, is the only one absent.

    https://kingsmill.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/2019-PSC-Preliminary-List-Alpha-5.6.19.pdf

    I've always liked this tournament. It seems like it usually attracts a decent group of players.

    Maybe In Gee can have a good result. 2nd and T2 the last two years...

    The course plays a factor; but the player accounts for the lion share of the results.
    Lydia Ko won three times at Lake Merced; but it didn't prevent her from finishing T61 two weeks ago.
    On the other hand, In Gee has reached bottom; I don't see how she can be any worse than her last 6 months. She may not win, but she'll contend for the first time in a while.

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    Congratulations, Yealimi!

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    Good for you, Niall!
    "NEW TOURNAMENT ALERT! The ISPS HANDA World Invitational Men & Women, presented by Modest! Golf Management will take place from August 15-18 and see men and women golfers play together for equal prize money. "

    https://golfmagic.com/golf-news/new-world-invitational-event-northern-ireland-2019

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    If In Gee gets anywhere near top 10 in Williamsburg I will eat my hat. I very much want her to win - or even show - mind you, but I just don't see any signs of significant improvement this season yet. I really hope I'm wrong. I took the pause in events this weekend to read more about her struggles last year, and it seems she was in a very dark place mentally - as in her saying she didn't even want to get up. Now, I don't know if she meant that literally or figuratively, but I do know that people with depression have said they felt like that. I don't mean to say she was actually depressed or diagnosed or whatever, but it appears she was more affected than just simply in a slump. Think Lexi? Since golf is a 90% mental game, I don't know how long she'll need to fully recover. She spoke at length like she felt like she was letting everyone around her down. Knowing what little I do of her personality, I venture it is one thing to feel like you let yourself down but when you feel like you let your family, coach, fans, sponsors, etc. down, that has to be soul-crushing.

    I wonder if that's why she paired with Lyds Ko in the Dow GLB Invitational? Lydia seems at peace mentally with her not being the world-beater she was a few years ago, maybe In Gee wants to learn how to make golf fun again? (I'll be selling MGFA hats soon, FYI) I don't know, just thinking out loud. I'd argue it would be hard to not enjoy a round of golf with Lydia, she seems like a blast.

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    If In Gee gets anywhere near top 10 in Williamsburg I will eat my hat. I very much want her to win - or even show - mind you, but I just don't see any signs of significant improvement this season yet. I really hope I'm wrong. I took the pause in events this weekend to read more about her struggles last year, and it seems she was in a very dark place mentally - as in her saying she didn't even want to get up. Now, I don't know if she meant that literally or figuratively, but I do know that people with depression have said they felt like that. I don't mean to say she was actually depressed or diagnosed or whatever, but it appears she was more affected than just simply in a slump. Think Lexi? Since golf is a 90% mental game, I don't know how long she'll need to fully recover. She spoke at length like she felt like she was letting everyone around her down. Knowing what little I do of her personality, I venture it is one thing to feel like you let yourself down but when you feel like you let your family, coach, fans, sponsors, etc. down, that has to be soul-crushing.

    I wonder if that's why she paired with Lyds Ko in the Dow GLB Invitational? Lydia seems at peace mentally with her not being the world-beater she was a few years ago, maybe In Gee wants to learn how to make golf fun again? (I'll be selling MGFA hats soon, FYI) I don't know, just thinking out loud. I'd argue it would be hard to not enjoy a round of golf with Lydia, she seems like a blast.

    As bad as In Gee was playing in 2018 before International Crown and KEB Hana Bank; her worst golf has been after she won KEB.
    In Gee's driving distance was going down throughout 2018, but she's top 10 in putts per GIR and total putts. Her putting didn't suffer until after Korea.
    In other words, social media bothered her but her golf was respectable; until suddenly it went south.
    In Gee can certainly contend if her GIR and putting get a little be better; and I'm encouraged by her recent data.

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    On -, @WestTex said:

    If In Gee gets anywhere near top 10 in Williamsburg I will eat my hat. I very much want her to win - or even show - mind you, but I just don't see any signs of significant improvement this season yet. I really hope I'm wrong. I took the pause in events this weekend to read more about her struggles last year, and it seems she was in a very dark place mentally - as in her saying she didn't even want to get up. Now, I don't know if she meant that literally or figuratively, but I do know that people with depression have said they felt like that. I don't mean to say she was actually depressed or diagnosed or whatever, but it appears she was more affected than just simply in a slump. Think Lexi? Since golf is a 90% mental game, I don't know how long she'll need to fully recover. She spoke at length like she felt like she was letting everyone around her down. Knowing what little I do of her personality, I venture it is one thing to feel like you let yourself down but when you feel like you let your family, coach, fans, sponsors, etc. down, that has to be soul-crushing.

    I wonder if that's why she paired with Lyds Ko in the Dow GLB Invitational? Lydia seems at peace mentally with her not being the world-beater she was a few years ago, maybe In Gee wants to learn how to make golf fun again? (I'll be selling MGFA hats soon, FYI) I don't know, just thinking out loud. I'd argue it would be hard to not enjoy a round of golf with Lydia, she seems like a blast.

    As bad as In Gee was playing in 2018 before International Crown and KEB Hana Bank; her worst golf has been after she won KEB.
    In Gee's driving distance was going down throughout 2018, but she's top 10 in putts per GIR and total putts. Her putting didn't suffer until after Korea.
    In other words, social media bothered her but her golf was respectable; until suddenly it went south.
    In Gee can certainly contend if her GIR and putting get a little be better; and I'm encouraged by her recent data.

    A good point, thank you for having a more thorough analysis. I tend to breeze through the provided stats and just go on the average of how long I have to scroll down on my LPGA app before I see In Gee or Lydia on the board.

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    On -, @WestTex said:

    On -, @18majors said:

    On -, @WestTex said:

    If In Gee gets anywhere near top 10 in Williamsburg I will eat my hat. I very much want her to win - or even show - mind you, but I just don't see any signs of significant improvement this season yet. I really hope I'm wrong. I took the pause in events this weekend to read more about her struggles last year, and it seems she was in a very dark place mentally - as in her saying she didn't even want to get up. Now, I don't know if she meant that literally or figuratively, but I do know that people with depression have said they felt like that. I don't mean to say she was actually depressed or diagnosed or whatever, but it appears she was more affected than just simply in a slump. Think Lexi? Since golf is a 90% mental game, I don't know how long she'll need to fully recover. She spoke at length like she felt like she was letting everyone around her down. Knowing what little I do of her personality, I venture it is one thing to feel like you let yourself down but when you feel like you let your family, coach, fans, sponsors, etc. down, that has to be soul-crushing.

    I wonder if that's why she paired with Lyds Ko in the Dow GLB Invitational? Lydia seems at peace mentally with her not being the world-beater she was a few years ago, maybe In Gee wants to learn how to make golf fun again? (I'll be selling MGFA hats soon, FYI) I don't know, just thinking out loud. I'd argue it would be hard to not enjoy a round of golf with Lydia, she seems like a blast.

    As bad as In Gee was playing in 2018 before International Crown and KEB Hana Bank; her worst golf has been after she won KEB.
    In Gee's driving distance was going down throughout 2018, but she's top 10 in putts per GIR and total putts. Her putting didn't suffer until after Korea.
    In other words, social media bothered her but her golf was respectable; until suddenly it went south.
    In Gee can certainly contend if her GIR and putting get a little be better; and I'm encouraged by her recent data.

    A good point, thank you for having a more thorough analysis. I tend to breeze through the provided stats and just go on the average of how long I have to scroll down on my LPGA app before I see In Gee or Lydia on the board.

    Lydia and In Gee seem to be decent friends. I think in the offseason they've hung out a few times (Instagram). When In Gee won last year, it seemed like Lydia was just as happy for her as if she'd won. In contrast, Minjee (who is friends with Lydia, not sure about In Gee) seemed to be like "get me out of here" after failing to do anything significant in a final round.

    I really thought In Gee would have a better year. She seemed to gain some confidence after the win and the Int'l Crown. Not sure what all happened.

    I also thought Lydia was starting to look better late last year and the first part of this year. But 1/3 into the season, her driving rank (distance and accuracy) is virtually unchanged from last year and her other stats (GIR, putting) have continued on the multi-year slide.

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    If In Gee gets anywhere near top 10 in Williamsburg I will eat my hat. I very much want her to win - or even show - mind you, but I just don't see any signs of significant improvement this season yet. I really hope I'm wrong. I took the pause in events this weekend to read more about her struggles last year, and it seems she was in a very dark place mentally - as in her saying she didn't even want to get up. Now, I don't know if she meant that literally or figuratively, but I do know that people with depression have said they felt like that. I don't mean to say she was actually depressed or diagnosed or whatever, but it appears she was more affected than just simply in a slump. Think Lexi? Since golf is a 90% mental game, I don't know how long she'll need to fully recover. She spoke at length like she felt like she was letting everyone around her down. Knowing what little I do of her personality, I venture it is one thing to feel like you let yourself down but when you feel like you let your family, coach, fans, sponsors, etc. down, that has to be soul-crushing.

    I wonder if that's why she paired with Lyds Ko in the Dow GLB Invitational? Lydia seems at peace mentally with her not being the world-beater she was a few years ago, maybe In Gee wants to learn how to make golf fun again? (I'll be selling MGFA hats soon, FYI) I don't know, just thinking out loud. I'd argue it would be hard to not enjoy a round of golf with Lydia, she seems like a blast.

    As bad as In Gee was playing in 2018 before International Crown and KEB Hana Bank; her worst golf has been after she won KEB.
    In Gee's driving distance was going down throughout 2018, but she's top 10 in putts per GIR and total putts. Her putting didn't suffer until after Korea.
    In other words, social media bothered her but her golf was respectable; until suddenly it went south.
    In Gee can certainly contend if her GIR and putting get a little be better; and I'm encouraged by her recent data.

    A good point, thank you for having a more thorough analysis. I tend to breeze through the provided stats and just go on the average of how long I have to scroll down on my LPGA app before I see In Gee or Lydia on the board.

    Lydia and In Gee seem to be decent friends. I think in the offseason they've hung out a few times (Instagram). When In Gee won last year, it seemed like Lydia was just as happy for her as if she'd won. In contrast, Minjee (who is friends with Lydia, not sure about In Gee) seemed to be like "get me out of here" after failing to do anything significant in a final round.

    I really thought In Gee would have a better year. She seemed to gain some confidence after the win and the Int'l Crown. Not sure what all happened.

    I also thought Lydia was starting to look better late last year and the first part of this year. But 1/3 into the season, her driving rank (distance and accuracy) is virtually unchanged from last year and her other stats (GIR, putting) have continued on the multi-year slide.

    The genuine happiness Lydia showed when she was on the 18th with In Gee when she won last year was so cool to see. Haven't seen that in the PGA. Has anyone? Serious question, not sarcasm.

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    On -, @agolf1 said:

    On -, @WestTex said:

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    If In Gee gets anywhere near top 10 in Williamsburg I will eat my hat. I very much want her to win - or even show - mind you, but I just don't see any signs of significant improvement this season yet. I really hope I'm wrong. I took the pause in events this weekend to read more about her struggles last year, and it seems she was in a very dark place mentally - as in her saying she didn't even want to get up. Now, I don't know if she meant that literally or figuratively, but I do know that people with depression have said they felt like that. I don't mean to say she was actually depressed or diagnosed or whatever, but it appears she was more affected than just simply in a slump. Think Lexi? Since golf is a 90% mental game, I don't know how long she'll need to fully recover. She spoke at length like she felt like she was letting everyone around her down. Knowing what little I do of her personality, I venture it is one thing to feel like you let yourself down but when you feel like you let your family, coach, fans, sponsors, etc. down, that has to be soul-crushing.

    I wonder if that's why she paired with Lyds Ko in the Dow GLB Invitational? Lydia seems at peace mentally with her not being the world-beater she was a few years ago, maybe In Gee wants to learn how to make golf fun again? (I'll be selling MGFA hats soon, FYI) I don't know, just thinking out loud. I'd argue it would be hard to not enjoy a round of golf with Lydia, she seems like a blast.

    As bad as In Gee was playing in 2018 before International Crown and KEB Hana Bank; her worst golf has been after she won KEB.
    In Gee's driving distance was going down throughout 2018, but she's top 10 in putts per GIR and total putts. Her putting didn't suffer until after Korea.
    In other words, social media bothered her but her golf was respectable; until suddenly it went south.
    In Gee can certainly contend if her GIR and putting get a little be better; and I'm encouraged by her recent data.

    A good point, thank you for having a more thorough analysis. I tend to breeze through the provided stats and just go on the average of how long I have to scroll down on my LPGA app before I see In Gee or Lydia on the board.

    Lydia and In Gee seem to be decent friends. I think in the offseason they've hung out a few times (Instagram). When In Gee won last year, it seemed like Lydia was just as happy for her as if she'd won. In contrast, Minjee (who is friends with Lydia, not sure about In Gee) seemed to be like "get me out of here" after failing to do anything significant in a final round.

    Lydia Ko, in my opinion, has the best personality in the entire LPGA. For a young person, she's incredibly calm and content.
    Either her success made her calm or her calmness led to her success; chicken or egg, it doesn't matter.
    Lydia is a New Zealand citizen; but no doubt Korea, where she spends most of her off seasons, is her heart and soul.
    Lydia's calmness and In Gee's kindness, she is tireless in her charitable endeavors; are so rare that make both of them unique beyond a shadow of a doubt.
    Hope both of them return to to the top of heap; it'll make LPGA a better place.

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    Lydia Ko, in my opinion, has the best personality in the entire LPGA. For a young person, she's incredibly calm and content.

    I didn't follow Lydia super close when she was winning a lot (other than seeing her beat people left and right). I have been impressed at how she seems to treat everyone from fellow players to the media quite well even when things aren't going great (maybe her swing coaches/caddies will have a different opinion). At times, I've wondered if she is "happy as is" (which is fine) to the detriment of her game. But looking at some past stuff, I think she was probably the same before - she just happened to be winning a lot then.

    The following (comments from Lydia) was an article about Jordan Spieth. I'm not entirely sure what it means other than she seems to be OK with it. Definitely hope we can see each of them play some good golf for a sustained stretch in the future.

    _In recent comments to New Zealand’s Radio Sport, she acknowledged that being under the microscope has changed her as a golfer.

    "A lot of things came to me that I didn't really expect. The things that I'd dreamt of and more happened," she said. "Because of [how my career started] and now things aren't going so great, I get compared to that. One player told me, and I think it kind of came to me, that I'm never going to be the same. I might play as well as I did then or better or not as good, but I'm never going to be the same.”_

    https://www.golfchannel.com/news/how-close-jordan-spieth-its-hard-tell

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    On -, @WestTex said:

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    On -, @18majors said:

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    If In Gee gets anywhere near top 10 in Williamsburg I will eat my hat. I very much want her to win - or even show - mind you, but I just don't see any signs of significant improvement this season yet. I really hope I'm wrong. I took the pause in events this weekend to read more about her struggles last year, and it seems she was in a very dark place mentally - as in her saying she didn't even want to get up. Now, I don't know if she meant that literally or figuratively, but I do know that people with depression have said they felt like that. I don't mean to say she was actually depressed or diagnosed or whatever, but it appears she was more affected than just simply in a slump. Think Lexi? Since golf is a 90% mental game, I don't know how long she'll need to fully recover. She spoke at length like she felt like she was letting everyone around her down. Knowing what little I do of her personality, I venture it is one thing to feel like you let yourself down but when you feel like you let your family, coach, fans, sponsors, etc. down, that has to be soul-crushing.

    I wonder if that's why she paired with Lyds Ko in the Dow GLB Invitational? Lydia seems at peace mentally with her not being the world-beater she was a few years ago, maybe In Gee wants to learn how to make golf fun again? (I'll be selling MGFA hats soon, FYI) I don't know, just thinking out loud. I'd argue it would be hard to not enjoy a round of golf with Lydia, she seems like a blast.

    As bad as In Gee was playing in 2018 before International Crown and KEB Hana Bank; her worst golf has been after she won KEB.
    In Gee's driving distance was going down throughout 2018, but she's top 10 in putts per GIR and total putts. Her putting didn't suffer until after Korea.
    In other words, social media bothered her but her golf was respectable; until suddenly it went south.
    In Gee can certainly contend if her GIR and putting get a little be better; and I'm encouraged by her recent data.

    A good point, thank you for having a more thorough analysis. I tend to breeze through the provided stats and just go on the average of how long I have to scroll down on my LPGA app before I see In Gee or Lydia on the board.

    Lydia and In Gee seem to be decent friends. I think in the offseason they've hung out a few times (Instagram). When In Gee won last year, it seemed like Lydia was just as happy for her as if she'd won. In contrast, Minjee (who is friends with Lydia, not sure about In Gee) seemed to be like "get me out of here" after failing to do anything significant in a final round.

    I really thought In Gee would have a better year. She seemed to gain some confidence after the win and the Int'l Crown. Not sure what all happened.

    I also thought Lydia was starting to look better late last year and the first part of this year. But 1/3 into the season, her driving rank (distance and accuracy) is virtually unchanged from last year and her other stats (GIR, putting) have continued on the multi-year slide.

    The genuine happiness Lydia showed when she was on the 18th with In Gee when she won last year was so cool to see. Haven't seen that in the PGA. Has anyone? Serious question, not sarcasm.

    I'd say the happiness shown by the other players when congratulating Tiger this year at the Masters was pretty genuine.

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