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Hypothetical: PGA player uses $1 ball. What Happens?

BB28403BB28403 Advanced Members Posts: 2,723 ✭✭
Hypothetical situation, for some unknown reason half the PGA field switch to a $1 ball (whomever they are under contract with) Perhaps to pay respect to the guys and gals who play these .



What kind of results do we see from the Pros who play the $1 ball?



Would the premium ball guys have a big advantage?



Or Would it make a difference?



Just thought it would make for interesting convo.

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  • Matt JMatt J Advanced Members Posts: 8,570 ✭✭
    They couldn't stop the ball on most of the greens they see, the surface is just too firm, gotta have spin.
  • PowderedToastManPowderedToastMan Advanced Members Posts: 3,698 ✭✭
    Conservatively speaking, a 1-2 shot advantage per round for the pros using a premium ball, maybe more on really firm greens. Probably more like 3-4 for players who aren’t hitting a lot of GIR.
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  • bspnbspn Members Posts: 72 ✭✭
    Sergio would up his damaged green quota to over 10 a round.
  • SoCalTitleistSoCalTitleist Members, Advanced Members Posts: 3,250 ✭✭
    They should have a top flight tournament lol
  • RobertBaronRobertBaron Advanced Members Posts: 721 ✭✭


    They should have a top flight tournament lol




    I’d like to see something like that. Top Flite balls. Clubs straight off the rack from ****’s and no spotters/gallery.



    Obviously they would still play at the highest level but I’d be curious to see how it affects scores.
  • CaptainRookCaptainRook Advanced Members Posts: 478 ✭✭



    They should have a top flight tournament lol




    I'd like to see something like that. Top Flite balls. Clubs straight off the rack from ****'s and no spotters/gallery.



    Obviously they would still play at the highest level but I'd be curious to see how it affects scores.




    I've thought about this before. It would be cool if there were a few of these tournaments every year. One could be played with balata balls, the next with old hickory sticks, etc. I think it would be interesting to see how the guys on Tour would handle that.
  • iBanestoiBanesto Niclas Fasth Advanced Members Posts: 4,389 ✭✭
    They'll get $99.00 back in change.
  • rangersgoalierangersgoalie Advanced Members Posts: 1,729 ✭✭




    They should have a top flight tournament lol




    I'd like to see something like that. Top Flite balls. Clubs straight off the rack from ****'s and no spotters/gallery.



    Obviously they would still play at the highest level but I'd be curious to see how it affects scores.




    I've thought about this before. It would be cool if there were a few of these tournaments every year. One could be played with balata balls, the next with old hickory sticks, etc. I think it would be interesting to see how the guys on Tour would handle that.




    You mean the ones who would actually sign up to play!
  • Edaw68Edaw68 Advanced Members Posts: 1,455
    For the next Tiger v Phil match they should pick the equipment the other uses from the rack at golfgalaxy or something.
  • stryperstryper Advanced Members Posts: 2,989 ✭✭
    Matt J wrote:


    They couldn't stop the ball on most of the greens they see, the surface is just too firm, gotta have spin.




    They would adapt pretty quickly....running more balls onto the greens, less aggressive with longer irons and fairways, higher trajectories to bring shots in steeper, more conservative layups to avoid short-siding themselves, lower lofted chipping from up close.



    While still infinitely better, a lot of it might actually more closely resemble the kind of golf many of us play.
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  • RangeballzRangeballz Advanced Members Posts: 1,588 ✭✭
    If they played a Ksig 4 (or equivalent) I suspect they'd be OK. Obviously not great, but OK. Pinnacles and the like would be another story.



    Love to see a match play format where if you win a hole you can declare a club in your opponents bag put of play.
  • MattyO1984MattyO1984 Advanced Members Posts: 4,688 ✭✭
    Depends on the course.



    If they were playing on a links course, I think they could make it work. There aren't many forced carries and you can run the ball into the greens. I seem to remember back in the 70's and 80's talk of players changing when they came over for The Open for that reason. The harder ball back then would definitely go further than the old balata's and they didn't need the spin to attack the pins.
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  • gvogelgvogel Advanced Members Posts: 7,008 ✭✭
    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Depends on the course.



    If they were playing on a links course, I think they could make it work. There aren't many forced carries and you can run the ball into the greens. I seem to remember back in the 70's and 80's talk of players changing when they came over for The Open for that reason. The harder ball back then would definitely go further than the old balata's and they didn't need the spin to attack the pins.




    I think that Johnny Miller won his Open Championship with a Top Flite.
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    Bubba, is that you?




    Was going to say this. Bubba tried, failed.
  • HackerGTHackerGT Members Posts: 49
    the Kirkland Signature 3 piece is $23.99 for two dozen so exactly $1 each. I suspect a tour pro would do quite well with those.
  • RobertBaronRobertBaron Advanced Members Posts: 721 ✭✭
    gvogel wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Depends on the course.



    If they were playing on a links course, I think they could make it work. There aren't many forced carries and you can run the ball into the greens. I seem to remember back in the 70's and 80's talk of players changing when they came over for The Open for that reason. The harder ball back then would definitely go further than the old balata's and they didn't need the spin to attack the pins.




    I think that Johnny Miller won his Open Championship with a Top Flite.




    I think Top Flite was a much better brand back then. Kinda like WIlson.
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  • Ashley SchaefferAshley Schaeffer Advanced Members Posts: 1,898 ✭✭
    Edaw68 wrote:


    For the next Tiger v Phil match they should pick the equipment the other uses from the rack at golfgalaxy or something.




    Pretty cool idea. In the early 2000s, when I worked at a muni, the shop staff would play a 9 hole skins game at the end of the year with 5 clubs, chosen by our opponents, from the lost and found. I once got stuck with this anti slice driver that literally had a banana bend in the shaft under the grip as its training aid. All of us were 0-3 hcps, and 40 was broken maybe twice.
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    Edaw68 wrote:


    For the next Tiger v Phil match they should pick the equipment the other uses from the rack at golfgalaxy or something.




    I like this but how about they play the exact same clubs and ball as they played their first year as a pro?



    Lefty rocking the first great big bertha maybe? Tiger, I don't recall his first driver head but the shaft was steel and 43" iirc. I don't think they played persimmon their first years as pros but probably did growing up.
  • bigeasybigeasy Bigeasy Advanced Members Posts: 1,151 ✭✭
    I dont believe you would see anything different, they would adjust to the ball.
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  • FergusonFerguson VAAdvanced Members Posts: 4,229 ✭✭
    edited February 12
    bigeasy wrote:


    I dont believe you would see anything different, they would adjust to the ball.






    Three holes and it would look like any other tourney.
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  • Brass_BullseyeBrass_Bullseye BrassBullseye Advanced Members Posts: 299 ✭✭
    gvogel wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Depends on the course.



    If they were playing on a links course, I think they could make it work. There aren't many forced carries and you can run the ball into the greens. I seem to remember back in the 70's and 80's talk of players changing when they came over for The Open for that reason. The harder ball back then would definitely go further than the old balata's and they didn't need the spin to attack the pins.




    I think that Johnny Miller won his Open Championship with a Top Flite.




    Johnny used a Tourney ball in ‘73. Same one Jack played.

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  • TheLarchTheLarch Major Winner Advanced Members Posts: 948 ✭✭
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  • gvogelgvogel Advanced Members Posts: 7,008 ✭✭
    edited February 12

    gvogel wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Depends on the course.



    If they were playing on a links course, I think they could make it work. There aren't many forced carries and you can run the ball into the greens. I seem to remember back in the 70's and 80's talk of players changing when they came over for The Open for that reason. The harder ball back then would definitely go further than the old balata's and they didn't need the spin to attack the pins.




    I think that Johnny Miller won his Open Championship with a Top Flite.




    Johnny used a Tourney ball in '73. Same one Jack played.




    Pretty sure he changed to a two piece solid ball just for that tournament. He did it because it was windy, and he could also play short of the green with some run.



    https://www.golfdigest.com/story/gw20070727johnson



    "I used a Surlyn-covered Slazenger model that just went forever," said Miller. "You couldn't spin the ball much anyway because it was so dry, so why fight it?
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  • farmerfarmer Advanced Members Posts: 7,716 ✭✭
    Given time to adapt to a Duo or Pinnacle, they would figure out a way to play. Distance not being an issue, maybe irons with weaker lofts to come in softer, run the ball up? Scores would probably go up, but the skill level might over come the ball limitations. To an earlier post, Top Flites were never considered a premium ball. In 1976 at the Open, JM was using a British small ball two piece Slazenger with a surlyn cover.
  • BarfolomewBarfolomew #worstWRXer Advanced Members Posts: 1,202
    edited February 13
    Ive done this before, play all day with a hard distance ball......I expected to have issues around the greens but I was totally surprised how well I was able to play...I prob shot a few over.



    I really liked how consistent the ball came off the face around the greens.....its not gonna spin so just play the roll out which was very predictable compared to when I play a spiny ball it sometimes checks up more/less then wanted and then you're screwed where as the hard ball behaved the same always



    So playing hard balls is underrated if you know what you're getting into.....plus great to bomb out there lol
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  • AC168AC168 Advanced Members Posts: 825 ✭✭
    $1 ball players would need a new profession.
  • GMRGMR Advanced Members Posts: 1,051
    There would be a lot of shots lost around the greens. When chipping from above the hole there would be virtually no way to stop the ball on the firm/fast greens they play without some degree of greenside spin. Longer hitters would be disproportionately advantaged by having shorter approaches with some prayer of actually stopping the balls on the greens by hitting high spinny (relatively) wedges into the greens. As mentioned previously it would of course depend on the course setup though, as on links courses it would make very little difference given they allow you to run the ball and are generally set up with significantly slower (but still rock hard) greens. On a typical PGA Tour setup though...forget it.
  • SpongerobSpongerob Advanced Members Posts: 229 ✭✭
    They would hit it high and stop it with trajectory. They would also play to the middle of every green, never risk short siding them self, make a few putts and shoot the easiest 68 you ever saw.
  • TinCuppingTinCupping Advanced Members Posts: 855
    Matt J wrote:


    They couldn't stop the ball on most of the greens they see, the surface is just too firm, gotta have spin.


    Wanna bet? I've watched a guy named Mike "18 Putts" McGee zip a range ball back 10' on a concrete green.
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  • GMRGMR Advanced Members Posts: 1,051
    TinCupping wrote:

    Matt J wrote:


    They couldn't stop the ball on most of the greens they see, the surface is just too firm, gotta have spin.


    Wanna bet? I've watched a guy named Mike "18 Putts" McGee zip a range ball back 10' on a concrete green.


    I can do that too, but the question is with what club? Remember these guys are playing some par 4s that are stretching over 500 yards. Good luck stopping a range ball on a dime on a rock hard green with a 6i from 200.
  • TinCuppingTinCupping Advanced Members Posts: 855
    GMR wrote:

    TinCupping wrote:

    Matt J wrote:


    They couldn't stop the ball on most of the greens they see, the surface is just too firm, gotta have spin.


    Wanna bet? I've watched a guy named Mike "18 Putts" McGee zip a range ball back 10' on a concrete green.


    I can do that too, but the question is with what club? Remember these guys are playing some par 4s that are stretching over 500 yards. Good luck stopping a range ball on a dime on a rock hard green with a 6i from 200.


    They would adjust. Game would be played on the ground more.
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  • GMRGMR Advanced Members Posts: 1,051
    TinCupping wrote:

    GMR wrote:

    TinCupping wrote:

    Matt J wrote:


    They couldn't stop the ball on most of the greens they see, the surface is just too firm, gotta have spin.


    Wanna bet? I've watched a guy named Mike "18 Putts" McGee zip a range ball back 10' on a concrete green.


    I can do that too, but the question is with what club? Remember these guys are playing some par 4s that are stretching over 500 yards. Good luck stopping a range ball on a dime on a rock hard green with a 6i from 200.


    They would adjust. Game would be played on the ground more.


    Of course they would adjust, they would have to. Does not mean they would score as well, though, unless the course design was amenable to being attacked in a ground game (e.g. links layouts)
  • c7015c7015 Advanced Members Posts: 2,038 ✭✭
    scoring average has not changed all that much over time even with all the technological advancements. I know some will say courses have evolved with the changes in tech ( a valid argument) however, I think my takeaway is the same as many on here they would find a way to score, the game would adapt.



    Since I think the question is stated in a vacuum how many strokes is a premium ball worth all other things being equal.. going to go with +1.2 strokes a round



    Probably some net gain in terms of driving distance and accuracy and the biggest loss coming from short sided shots
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  • rkelso184rkelso184 Advanced Members Posts: 145 ✭✭
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    Yesterday my playing partner (-2) and the 3rd in our group (scratch) were discussing balls on the first tee. Tim the -2 player usually uses a pro v1 but at the comp the week before he won a chrome soft box of balls so decided to use these. After 4 holes the scratch golfer gave him a sleeve of the new pro v1s and said it's the ball (was sitting at 1 over and struggling around the greens) so on the 5th a long par 5 he went back to the pro v1. The additional distance, combined with huge gains in regards to stopping power were instantly noticable. He ended up net -3 for the day.



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  • Brass_BullseyeBrass_Bullseye BrassBullseye Advanced Members Posts: 299 ✭✭
    gvogel wrote:


    gvogel wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Depends on the course.



    If they were playing on a links course, I think they could make it work. There aren't many forced carries and you can run the ball into the greens. I seem to remember back in the 70's and 80's talk of players changing when they came over for The Open for that reason. The harder ball back then would definitely go further than the old balata's and they didn't need the spin to attack the pins.




    I think that Johnny Miller won his Open Championship with a Top Flite.




    Johnny used a Tourney ball in '73. Same one Jack played.




    Pretty sure he changed to a two piece solid ball just for that tournament. He did it because it was windy, and he could also play short of the green with some run.



    https://www.golfdige...20070727johnson



    "I used a Surlyn-covered Slazenger model that just went forever," said Miller. "You couldn't spin the ball much anyway because it was so dry, so why fight it?




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  • charlesgetsingercharlesgetsinger Members Posts: 6

    gvogel wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Depends on the course.



    If they were playing on a links course, I think they could make it work. There aren't many forced carries and you can run the ball into the greens. I seem to remember back in the 70's and 80's talk of players changing when they came over for The Open for that reason. The harder ball back then would definitely go further than the old balata's and they didn't need the spin to attack the pins.




    I think that Johnny Miller won his Open Championship with a Top Flite.




    Johnny used a Tourney ball in '73. Same one Jack played.
    I played those. They were out of round by the third hole.
  • indianalawnguyindianalawnguy Advanced Members Posts: 365 ✭✭
    farmer wrote:


    Given time to adapt to a Duo or Pinnacle, they would figure out a way to play. Distance not being an issue, maybe irons with weaker lofts to come in softer, run the ball up? Scores would probably go up, but the skill level might over come the ball limitations. To an earlier post, Top Flites were never considered a premium ball. In 1976 at the Open, JM was using a British small ball two piece Slazenger with a surlyn cover.




    Spaulding did have the Tour Edition ball back in the mid 80's. Greg Norman played it as well as Craig Stadler and others.

    They also had the Top Flite Strata which won a little later on Paul lawrie and Mark Omeara were a couple guys that won majors witj a TF!!!!
  • wfrogge1wfrogge1 Advanced Members Posts: 1,183 ✭✭
    BB28403 wrote:


    Hypothetical situation, for some unknown reason half the PGA field switch to a $1 ball (whomever they are under contract with) Perhaps to pay respect to the guys and gals who play these .



    What kind of results do we see from the Pros who play the $1 ball?



    Would the premium ball guys have a big advantage?



    Or Would it make a difference?



    Just thought it would make for interesting convo.




    Ask Bubba Watson what would happen
  • Steele47Steele47 Advanced Members Posts: 1,150 ✭✭


    gvogel wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Depends on the course.



    If they were playing on a links course, I think they could make it work. There aren't many forced carries and you can run the ball into the greens. I seem to remember back in the 70's and 80's talk of players changing when they came over for The Open for that reason. The harder ball back then would definitely go further than the old balata's and they didn't need the spin to attack the pins.




    I think that Johnny Miller won his Open Championship with a Top Flite.




    Johnny used a Tourney ball in '73. Same one Jack played.
    I played those. They were out of round by the third hole.








    Those balls were awful. They were as lively as damp cardboard. Liquid center I believe but not sure.
  • Matt JMatt J Advanced Members Posts: 8,570 ✭✭
    It's common on this forum for users to work an argument like this backwards.



    I don't want to spend 5 dollars per golf ball and there is no way a ball is 4 dollars better than another.



    It has been said many many times around here, but I will say it again, if you do not compete in state or regional amateur events you likely have not played a course with greens that are "firm and fast."



    No, even the pros would shoot higher numbers trying to skip everything into the right places on the green. Yes, their short games would suffer not having spin as an option.



    No it isn't open for debate, these are plain facts.



    If you want to speculate that some are "so good" they could compensate.... sure, on their best days with some luck you would see some great scores, but the whole field would score higher, no doubt.
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    gvogel wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Depends on the course.



    If they were playing on a links course, I think they could make it work. There aren't many forced carries and you can run the ball into the greens. I seem to remember back in the 70's and 80's talk of players changing when they came over for The Open for that reason. The harder ball back then would definitely go further than the old balata's and they didn't need the spin to attack the pins.




    I think that Johnny Miller won his Open Championship with a Top Flite.




    Johnny used a Tourney ball in '73. Same one Jack played.
    I played those. They were out of round by the third hole.
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  • stryperstryper Advanced Members Posts: 2,989 ✭✭
    Matt J wrote:


    It's common on this forum for users to work an argument like this backwards.



    I don't want to spend 5 dollars per golf ball and there is no way a ball is 4 dollars better than another.



    It has been said many many times around here, but I will say it again, if you do not compete in state or regional amateur events you likely have not played a course with greens that are "firm and fast."



    No, even the pros would shoot higher numbers trying to skip everything into the right places on the green. Yes, their short games would suffer not having spin as an option.



    No it isn't open for debate, these are plain facts.



    If you want to speculate that some are "so good" they could compensate.... sure, on their best days with some luck you would see some great scores, but the whole field would score higher, no doubt.




    Well, I guess that settles it.
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  • NJpatbeeNJpatbee Advanced Members Posts: 1,469 ✭✭
    The tour pros would adjust and still shoot rounds in the 60's playing a different type of golf. TF Strata made a legitimate tour ball but they were not $1 each.
  • RangeballzRangeballz Advanced Members Posts: 1,588 ✭✭
    2putttom wrote:



    gvogel wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Depends on the course.



    If they were playing on a links course, I think they could make it work. There aren't many forced carries and you can run the ball into the greens. I seem to remember back in the 70's and 80's talk of players changing when they came over for The Open for that reason. The harder ball back then would definitely go further than the old balata's and they didn't need the spin to attack the pins.




    I think that Johnny Miller won his Open Championship with a Top Flite.




    Johnny used a Tourney ball in '73. Same one Jack played.
    I played those. They were out of round by the third hole.
    out of round, ... love it.




    Pretty much true as I remember them. They were truly dreadful balls.The balls they supplied to Jack and Johnny must have come from a special run.



    Anyone remember the Spalding Molitor? Supposedly a premium Top Flite.
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