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Is the Pro V1 in trouble?

Danny ChooDanny Choo Advanced Members Posts: 136
Titliest is never shy about the number of players playing the Pro V1 and Pro V1X on tour. Titliest is getting stiff competition and other balls are side by side on the PGA tour with wins this year. Will Titliest lose their grip on the golf ball market due to manufacturers proving they are just as good or better? YTD below tour results with winners ball.



Safeway open- Kevin Tway Pro V1

Cimb classic- Mark leishmania Chrome soft

CJ cup-Brooks Koepka Pro V1

Wgc-hsbc championship- Xander Schauffele Chrome soft

Sanderson farms- Cameron Champ Srixon Z star

Shriners- Bryson Dechambeau Bridgestone BX

OHL classic- Matt Kuchar Bridgestone BX

RSM classic- Charles Howell III Pro V1

Hero world challenge- John Rahm TP5

Tournament of champions- Xander Schauffele Chrome soft

Sony Open- Matt Kuchar bridgestone BX

Career builder challenge- A. Long Pro V1

Farmers insurance- Justin Rose Tp5

Phoenix open- Ricky FowlerTP5

Attached pebble beach- Phil Mickelson chrome soft



Titliest-4

Callaway-4

Taylormade-3

Bridgestone-3

Srixon-1



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  • GHIN n JuiceGHIN n Juice Wingpointe GC...Never Forgotten Advanced Members Posts: 1,656 ✭✭
    They may lose some market share but they are still the number one ball played on all major tours, college tournaments, major amateur tournaments, and are arguably the most recognized name in golf balls. I think their status is secure.
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  • GSDriverGSDriver Advanced Members Posts: 551 ✭✭
    I haven't played a ProV1 I haven't found in close to 10 years, maybe longer.



    Marketing only goes so far, still can't convince me that a ProV1 @ $4+ a ball, is that much, if any, better than those I get for $3 or less.



    I wonder how many PGA guys play Titleist cuz they're paid to do so? Those guys are good enough, and ball performance close enough across OEMs, that they could likely win with about any brand (except Volvik, as Bubba clearly demonstrated)
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  • augustgolfaugustgolf Golf with dignity Coastal NCAdvanced Members Posts: 3,881 ✭✭
    At one point in time, Sears Roebuck & Company was the #1 retailer in the US, and also had the largest availability of products for delivery, via catalog/phone sales.



    And, I'm sure that there were those who said that Sears was never going to go away.



    The only thing certain is the uncertainty of how things turn out, whether in business or sports.
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  • Albatross_seekerAlbatross_seeker Old F*rt Members Posts: 14
    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.



    As for being the best ball?



    There are so many balls to play that are high quality. Pro V is #1 in US because Titleist sponsors so many fledgling pros at the beginning of their careers.



    That is also changing.



    Loyalties change and the ROW does not have the same allegiance to Titleist as Americans do. Look at the LPGA, very international, many balls in play,the men are becoming more that way, but Collegiate NCAA golf is just slowing it a bit, that's all.
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  • larciellarciel I play for eagle Advanced Members Posts: 2,167 ✭✭
    I wanna see the numbers.



    market share of v1/x went from 55% to 35%? I'm just speculating. Until then, it is what it is, just speculation.
  • MarkripMarkrip Boss fan 62 Advanced Members Posts: 1,555 ✭✭
    Must be the inferior talent they keep signing.
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  • GolfingDad44GolfingDad44 Advanced Members Posts: 89
    If you keep trying to be innovative and a market leader, I don't see how or why the ProV1 wont be the top ball for years to come. Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't they the #1 ball before the ProV1 too?
  • RSinSGRSinSG ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 2,981 ClubWRX
    I'm pretty sure it's because of the K-Sigs.
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  • Mr. GrumpyMr. Grumpy The Quintana Changeup, sit em dwn Advanced Members Posts: 2,176 ✭✭
    Other ball makers are stepping up their game,, and sometimes the result is comparable for less money.. Only so far you can go with it..
  • GolfingDad44GolfingDad44 Advanced Members Posts: 89
    Simple answer is who's going to release the next truly innovative ball? I like that Titliest offered the AVX ball. It's a sign that they aren't sitting back with the ProV1 and waiting for someone to overtake them.
  • wfrogge1wfrogge1 Advanced Members Posts: 1,183 ✭✭


    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.








    The ProV1x and AVX are on completely different ends of the spectrum from each other so I don't see this happening
  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Advanced Members Posts: 993 ✭✭
    As of October titleist had 45% market share down 1%, Callaway had 16% down 1% Tm and Bridgestone had 10% each up 1% each.



    It’s going to be awhile before anyone catches titleist market share. TM or Bridgestone probavky carch Callaway before anyone them really cut into titleist
  • jwb10jwb10 Major Winner Advanced Members Posts: 880 ✭✭
    Danny Choo wrote:


    Titliest is never shy about the number of players playing the Pro V1 and Pro V1X on tour. Titliest is getting stiff competition and other balls are side by side on the PGA tour with wins this year. Will Titliest lose their grip on the golf ball market due to manufacturers proving they are just as good or better? YTD below tour results with winners ball.



    Safeway open- Kevin Tway Pro V1

    Cimb classic- Mark leishmania Chrome soft

    CJ cup-Brooks Koepka Pro V1

    Wgc-hsbc championship- Xander Schauffele Chrome soft

    Sanderson farms- Cameron Champ Srixon Z star

    Shriners- Bryson Dechambeau Bridgestone BX

    OHL classic- Matt Kuchar Bridgestone BX

    RSM classic- Charles Howell III Pro V1

    Hero world challenge- John Rahm TP5

    Tournament of champions- Xander Schauffele Chrome soft

    Sony Open- Matt Kuchar bridgestone BX

    Career builder challenge- A. Long Pro V1

    Farmers insurance- Justin Rose Tp5

    Phoenix open- Ricky FowlerTP5

    Attached pebble beach- Phil Mickelson chrome soft



    Titliest-4

    Callaway-4

    Taylormade-3

    Bridgestone-3

    Srixon-1


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  • larciellarciel I play for eagle Advanced Members Posts: 2,167 ✭✭
    GoGoErky wrote:


    As of October titleist had 45% market share down 1%, Callaway had 16% down 1% Tm and Bridgestone had 10% each up 1% each.



    It's going to be awhile before anyone catches titleist market share. TM or Bridgestone probavky carch Callaway before anyone them really cut into titleist




    Totally within margin of error. i.e. TItleist is doing fine.
  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Advanced Members Posts: 993 ✭✭
    larciel wrote:

    GoGoErky wrote:


    As of October titleist had 45% market share down 1%, Callaway had 16% down 1% Tm and Bridgestone had 10% each up 1% each.



    It's going to be awhile before anyone catches titleist market share. TM or Bridgestone probavky carch Callaway before anyone them really cut into titleist




    Totally within margin of error. i.e. TItleist is doing fine.




    Yep and with the yellow prov1 1x that should draw some golfers in
  • glmglm Advanced Members Posts: 194 ✭✭
    There's only so much you can do with a golf ball. All of the manufacturers should have that figured out by now don't you think.
  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Advanced Members Posts: 993 ✭✭
    glm wrote:


    There's only so much you can do with a golf ball. All of the manufacturers should have that figured out by now don't you think.




    There may only be so many things that can be done but there’s lots of ways to do them.
  • Nixhex524Nixhex524 ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 3,918 ClubWRX
    If they keep paying the most players, I don't see how they can be in trouble.
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  • Josh L.Josh L. Advanced Members Posts: 299 ✭✭
    Thats a pretty small sample size, why don't we wait and see how more of the season plays out before we jump to conclusions like Titleist being in trouble because out of 15 events they've only had their ball win 4 times.
  • StanksStanks Everything I post is confrontational Advanced Members Posts: 1,098 ✭✭
    Is ProV1 in trouble? Absolutely not. For every one ball you find out there to add to your shag bag, there is probably a ProV1 or ProV1X to match it elsewhere on the course. It's popular and will be for a long time. Ricky JUST switched this year. He is 30 years old and only has ever played that one other ball. That's saying something.
  • Bushwood Country ClubBushwood Country Club Bushwood Country Club Advanced Members Posts: 837


    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.



    As for being the best ball?



    There are so many balls to play that are high quality. Pro V is #1 in US because Titleist sponsors so many fledgling pros at the beginning of their careers.



    That is also changing.



    Loyalties change and the ROW does not have the same allegiance to Titleist as Americans do. Look at the LPGA, very international, many balls in play,the men are becoming more that way, but Collegiate NCAA golf is just slowing it a bit, that's all.
    did you even read this before you posted it? What does “ Pro v will go away but Pro v1 will stay” even mean? You heard ‘from inside titleist” but you don’t even know what the correct name of the ball is? I think the short bus is waiting for you at the curb... please, don’t post pure speculative bs masquerading as fact...
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  • Big BenBig Ben Advanced Members Posts: 8,895 ✭✭
    edited February 11
    ProV1 will have dominant market share for sure but is it still the best ball? Lots of nice choices these days for peeps willing to test the waters. Now if your idea of buying balls is walking into the Club Pro shop and putting them on the tab ProV’s will get the nod. For me, I’m rolling 6dz Snell Reds @ $165 beans and saving my money for the bets!
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  • SPARKPSPARKP ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 828 ClubWRX
    Mr. Grumpy wrote:


    Other ball makers are stepping up their game,, and sometimes the result is comparable for less money.. Only so far you can go with it..








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  • jjfcpajjfcpa Advanced Members Posts: 301 ✭✭
    Anyone seen head-to-head Snell MTB Black vs ProV1 or MTB Red vs ProV1x? I'd put money on Snell.
  • North TexasNorth Texas Advanced Members Posts: 3,878 ✭✭



    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.



    As for being the best ball?



    There are so many balls to play that are high quality. Pro V is #1 in US because Titleist sponsors so many fledgling pros at the beginning of their careers.



    That is also changing.



    Loyalties change and the ROW does not have the same allegiance to Titleist as Americans do. Look at the LPGA, very international, many balls in play,the men are becoming more that way, but Collegiate NCAA golf is just slowing it a bit, that's all.
    did you even read this before you posted it? What does “ Pro v will go away but Pro v1 will stay” even mean? You heard ‘from inside titleist” but you don’t even know what the correct name of the ball is? I think the short bus is waiting for you at the curb... please, don’t post pure speculative bs masquerading as fact...




    Got to admit, I was a little confused by what he said as well.
  • North TexasNorth Texas Advanced Members Posts: 3,878 ✭✭
    edited February 12
    BTW, the ball count at Pebble was 74% using Titleist. Just saying.
  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Advanced Members Posts: 993 ✭✭


    BTW, the ball count at Pebble was 74% using Titleist. Just saying.




    I believe at WM it was 72% and nearest competitor 12%
  • GolfingDad44GolfingDad44 Advanced Members Posts: 89
    GoGoErky wrote:



    BTW, the ball count at Pebble was 74% using Titleist. Just saying.




    I believe at WM it was 72% and nearest competitor 12%




    Interesting stats but the OP was only citing "wins" by brand as a point for the ProV1 to be potentially in troube. This is different from ball count on tour (which Titleist clearly dominates). I think the ball count on tour clearly shows there is no issue with the ProV1 tour usage. I'd be curious to see how the consumer market looks but I'd be willing to be the ProV1 still dominates and could be taking some market share back with the yellow ball next month.
  • ChrisGio315ChrisGio315 Advanced Members Posts: 427 ✭✭
    Ive tried a lot of different balls in my short time playing the game...For consistency of quality, I always feel confident gaming a Titleist ball. Also, for me, price doesnt play a factor. Balls are expensive so DONT LOSE THEM!
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  • North TexasNorth Texas Advanced Members Posts: 3,878 ✭✭
    edited February 12

    GoGoErky wrote:



    BTW, the ball count at Pebble was 74% using Titleist. Just saying.




    I believe at WM it was 72% and nearest competitor 12%




    Interesting stats but the OP was only citing "wins" by brand as a point for the ProV1 to be potentially in troube. This is different from ball count on tour (which Titleist clearly dominates). I think the ball count on tour clearly shows there is no issue with the ProV1 tour usage. I'd be curious to see how the consumer market looks but I'd be willing to be the ProV1 still dominates and could be taking some market share back with the yellow ball next month.




    Another way to look at what the OP is saying, is that more players have used Titleist to win than any other ball at this point. Meaning 4 different players have used Titleist while only 3 different players have used Callaway and TaylorMade. That's about as meaningless as what the OP is trying to say.
  • GolfingDad44GolfingDad44 Advanced Members Posts: 89


    GoGoErky wrote:



    BTW, the ball count at Pebble was 74% using Titleist. Just saying.




    I believe at WM it was 72% and nearest competitor 12%




    Interesting stats but the OP was only citing "wins" by brand as a point for the ProV1 to be potentially in troube. This is different from ball count on tour (which Titleist clearly dominates). I think the ball count on tour clearly shows there is no issue with the ProV1 tour usage. I'd be curious to see how the consumer market looks but I'd be willing to be the ProV1 still dominates and could be taking some market share back with the yellow ball next month.




    Another way to look at what the OP is saying, is that more players have used Titleist to win than any other ball at this point. Meaning 4 different players have used Titleist while only 3 different players have used Callaway and TaylorMade. That's about as meaningless as what the OP is trying to say.




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  • VNutzVNutz Advanced Members Posts: 5,996 ✭✭
    The ProV1 is, and for the near future will be, the benchmark against which all other premium balls will be measured by. Year after year, tweak after tweak, it always delivers consistent performance that golfers can reliably turn to and know they're getting a quality product. For nearly 20 years it has held its own against the latest and greatest that the competition has put out, and it has remained on top while the others fade off and become discontinued. That said, as the benchmark it's always "in trouble" as the competition is always out to find a way to catch up. Taylor Made IMO has made huge gains with the TP5 ball the last year or two. If they can keep that branding the same (and not change the name every 3 years, ie TP Red, Penta, Lethal, etc.) I think they can make some serious inroads into ProV1s market.



    I also think the introduction of the AVX showed that Titleist has realized 2 things, 1 that there is a market for that style of ball and it's growing, and 2 that the market for their premium offering in the ProV1 is becoming threatened, and the competition is getting better. There may come a day where the ProV isn't the top dog, but it's either going to be a long time coming or it's going to take some unforeseen breakthrough in tech that we haven't realized yet, similar to when the ProV first came along.
  • Danny ChooDanny Choo Advanced Members Posts: 136
    If the tour was balanced I believe we would see much more players winning with different balls. Bridgestone seemed to be a ball that would dominate tour if more players played it. I would like to see Snell sponsor a few players and see how it performs on tour. The biggest mistake other manufacturers make is the price point is to close to Titliest that is why many people resort back to PRO V1.

  • Bushwood Country ClubBushwood Country Club Bushwood Country Club Advanced Members Posts: 837
    edited February 12
    The title of the post is nothing but trolling.... If the OP knew ANYTHING about what is happening with Titleist, he would be aware that in 2018 the mix in the Pro V Family (that would be the Pro V1 and the Pro V1x) shifted distinctly in the Pro v1 direction, with the PV1 over taking the PV1x as the most played ball on tour. I guess his “insiders” dnk that bit of info. I have no idea what makes people post “facts” that exist only in between their ears...
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  • MooJerseyMooJersey Advanced Members Posts: 409 ✭✭
    I don't know what's going on in the big picture, but for the money ... there are alot of great balls that can be had cheaper than the ProV1 / ProV1x



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  • dciccorittidciccoritti An inch an hour, 2 feet a day Advanced Members Posts: 1,495 ✭✭


    The title of the post is nothing but trolling.... If the OP knew ANYTHING about what is happening with Titleist, he would be aware that in 2018 the mix in the Pro V Family (that would be the Pro V1 and the Pro V1x) shifted distinctly in the Pro v1 direction, with the PV1 over taking the PV1x as the most played ball on tour. I guess his “insiders” dnk that bit of info. I have no idea what makes people post “facts” that exist only in between their ears...




    Maybe a paid troll :-)
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  • Danny ChooDanny Choo Advanced Members Posts: 136
    Quite evident Titliest has a grip on ball market and the amount of players endorsements the recoup is pass onto consumers. Competition is good for business and I would like to see other manufacturers make a play in signing more players on tour to ball contracts and see the results at the end of the season. With 70% plus playing Pro V1, if it was split this way:

    Titliest 25%

    Callaway 25%

    Taylormade 20%

    Srixon 10%

    Bridgestone 20%



    The question is this, if the tour was balanced this way, how many wins would Titliest have at the end of the season?
  • Shawn PaulShawn Paul The love you take is equal to the love you make Advanced Members Posts: 703
    Titleist has the best logo! Are they in trouble, probably not but there is sure a lot of competition out there now making excellent products. Enough where I don't play the pro-v anymore.
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  • GolfingDad44GolfingDad44 Advanced Members Posts: 89
    Danny Choo wrote:


    If the tour was balanced I believe we would see much more players winning with different balls. Bridgestone seemed to be a ball that would dominate tour if more players played it. I would like to see Snell sponsor a few players and see how it performs on tour. The biggest mistake other manufacturers make is the price point is to close to Titliest that is why many people resort back to PRO V1.




    What are you basing this Brdgestone opinion. On? If Bridgestone was such a desired ball, you'd see more players move towards the ball.
  • MattM97MattM97 Advanced Members Posts: 124 ✭✭
    I don't think the ProV1 is in trouble or will be anytime soon. I do think other companies are catching up in terms of technology but it's hardly going to make a dent in the ProV1 numbers played.
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  • hwturner17hwturner17 Advanced Members Posts: 302 ✭✭
    I play all of the premium balls but I can honestly say I probably won't play titleist this year unless someone gives them to me
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  • SPARKPSPARKP ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 828 ClubWRX
    jjfcpa wrote:


    Anyone seen head-to-head Snell MTB Black vs ProV1 or MTB Red vs ProV1x? I'd put money on Snell.








    Here you go:



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  • GolfingDad44GolfingDad44 Advanced Members Posts: 89
    hwturner17 wrote:


    I play all of the premium balls but I can honestly say I probably won't play titleist this year unless someone gives them to me




    Can someone get this man some ProV1s!!!!???
  • thedurtydurdenthedurtydurden Advanced Members Posts: 267 ✭✭
    wfrogge1 wrote:



    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.








    The ProV1x and AVX are on completely different ends of the spectrum from each other so I don't see this happening


    I agree, but I could see Titleist keeping the flagship ProV1 largely unchanged, and then combining the ProV1X and AVX into a single ball between the two current offerings. I think this was kind of the original intent of the ProV1X anyway so it makes sense to me.
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  • augustgolfaugustgolf Golf with dignity Coastal NCAdvanced Members Posts: 3,881 ✭✭

    wfrogge1 wrote:



    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.








    The ProV1x and AVX are on completely different ends of the spectrum from each other so I don't see this happening


    I agree, but I could see Titleist keeping the flagship ProV1 largely unchanged, and then combining the ProV1X and AVX into a single ball between the two current offerings. I think this was kind of the original intent of the ProV1X anyway so it makes sense to me.




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  • mjbfybmjbfyb Advanced Members Posts: 227 ✭✭

    wfrogge1 wrote:



    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.








    The ProV1x and AVX are on completely different ends of the spectrum from each other so I don't see this happening


    I agree, but I could see Titleist keeping the flagship ProV1 largely unchanged, and then combining the ProV1X and AVX into a single ball between the two current offerings. I think this was kind of the original intent of the ProV1X anyway so it makes sense to me.




    They have already combined them. It’s called the ProV1. AVX and ProV1x are exact opposites. AVX is low launch/spin. ProV1x is high launch/spin.
  • Hammer22Hammer22 Advanced Members Posts: 410
    I love the ProV1 - let everyone pay $45+ dozen, I keep finding them at my club and other courses all the time. Have a five-gallon bucket of them in the garage (friend of mine's dad is a rules official and he has a plastic garbage can full in his garage). As long as Titleist keeps dishing them out to Tour players, the price will be up there even though there are plenty of comparable balls available for much less. It's all about the marketing, and there are a lot of people out there that really have little to no knowledge of balls, but they just buy Titleist since it's all they've really heard.
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  • G-BoneG-Bone Better than most... Members Posts: 2,661 ✭✭
    Interesting ways both Titleist and the competition are working ball market angles.



    Meaning this:



    Titleist wants to win the ball count war, and they do by miles.



    TaylorMade and Callaway want more tour wins, so they have decided to go after the top 15-20 players in the world.



    So...



    When you look at the number of wins, the counts are close.



    However, when you look at total counts in play Titleist crushes the others.



    My guess is all three companies spend similar money on pros playing their ball. But TaylorMade and Callaway write fewer checks with bigger amounts. As where Titleist writes lots of checks with fewer zeros.



    Just my two cents....
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Advanced Members Posts: 993 ✭✭


    Interesting ways both Titleist and the competition are working ball market angles.



    Meaning this:



    Titleist wants to win the ball count war, and they do by miles.



    TaylorMade and Callaway want more tour wins, so they have decided to go after the top 15-20 players in the world.



    So...



    When you look at the number of wins, the counts are close.



    However, when you look at total counts in play Titleist crushes the others.



    My guess is all three companies spend similar money on pros playing their ball. But TaylorMade and Callaway write fewer checks with bigger amounts. As where Titleist writes lots of checks with fewer zeros.



    Just my two cents....




    Is Callaway really going after the top 15-20? They only have 3 players in the top 20 in Schauffele, Phil and leishman.



    They don’t have a lot of staff playing the ball and they have gone more for the driver and putter count on tour. As far as I know they haven’t paid anyone to play only their ball like titleist, Srixon and now TM are doing.

  • ShilgyShilgy Advanced Members Posts: 11,106 ✭✭
    Big Ben wrote:


    ProV1 will have dominant market share for sure but is it still the best ball? Lots of nice choices these days for peeps willing to test the waters. Now if your idea of buying balls is walking into the Club Pro shop and putting them on the tab ProV’s will get the nod. For me, I’m rolling 6dz Snell Reds @ $165 beans and saving my money for the bets!
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