Is the Pro V1 in trouble?

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Titliest is never shy about the number of players playing the Pro V1 and Pro V1X on tour. Titliest is getting stiff competition and other balls are side by side on the PGA tour with wins this year. Will Titliest lose their grip on the golf ball market due to manufacturers proving they are just as good or better? YTD below tour results with winners ball.<br />
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Safeway open- Kevin Tway Pro V1<br />
Cimb classic- Mark leishmania Chrome soft<br />
CJ cup-Brooks Koepka Pro V1<br />
Wgc-hsbc championship- Xander Schauffele Chrome soft<br />
Sanderson farms- Cameron Champ Srixon Z star<br />
Shriners- Bryson Dechambeau Bridgestone BX<br />
OHL classic- Matt Kuchar Bridgestone BX<br />
RSM classic- Charles Howell III Pro V1<br />
Hero world challenge- John Rahm TP5<br />
Tournament of champions- Xander Schauffele Chrome soft<br />
Sony Open- Matt Kuchar bridgestone BX<br />
Career builder challenge- A. Long Pro V1<br />
Farmers insurance- Justin Rose Tp5<br />
Phoenix open- Ricky FowlerTP5<br />
Attached pebble beach- Phil Mickelson chrome soft<br />
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Titliest-4<br />
Callaway-4<br />
Taylormade-3<br />
Bridgestone-3<br />
Srixon-1<br />
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  • GHIN n JuiceGHIN n Juice Wingpointe GC...Never Forgotten Members  1886WRX Points: 323Posts: 1,886 Platinum Tees
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    They may lose some market share but they are still the number one ball played on all major tours, college tournaments, major amateur tournaments, and are arguably the most recognized name in golf balls. I think their status is secure.
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    I haven't played a ProV1 I haven't found in close to 10 years, maybe longer.<br />
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    Marketing only goes so far, still can't convince me that a ProV1 @ $4+ a ball, is that much, if any, better than those I get for $3 or less.<br />
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    I wonder how many PGA guys play Titleist cuz they're paid to do so? Those guys are good enough, and ball performance close enough across OEMs, that they could likely win with about any brand (except Volvik, as Bubba clearly demonstrated)
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    At one point in time, Sears Roebuck & Company was the #1 retailer in the US, and also had the largest availability of products for delivery, via catalog/phone sales.<br />
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    And, I'm sure that there were those who said that Sears was never going to go away.<br />
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    The only thing certain is the uncertainty of how things turn out, whether in business or sports.
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  • Albatross_seekerAlbatross_seeker Old F*rt Members  14WRX Points: 5Handicap: 6.8Posts: 14 Bunkers
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    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.<br />
    <br />
    As for being the best ball?<br />
    <br />
    There are so many balls to play that are high quality. Pro V is #1 in US because Titleist sponsors so many fledgling pros at the beginning of their careers.<br />
    <br />
    That is also changing.<br />
    <br />
    Loyalties change and the ROW does not have the same allegiance to Titleist as Americans do. Look at the LPGA, very international, many balls in play,the men are becoming more that way, but Collegiate NCAA golf is just slowing it a bit, that's all.
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  • larciellarciel I play for eagle Members  2560WRX Points: 295Posts: 2,560 Titanium Tees
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    I wanna see the numbers.<br />
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    market share of v1/x went from 55% to 35%? I'm just speculating. Until then, it is what it is, just speculation.
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  • MarkripMarkrip Boss fan 62 Members  1798WRX Points: 345Posts: 1,798 Platinum Tees
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    Must be the inferior talent they keep signing.
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  • GolfingDad44GolfingDad44 Members  89WRX Points: 4Handicap: 2Posts: 89 Bunkers
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    If you keep trying to be innovative and a market leader, I don't see how or why the ProV1 wont be the top ball for years to come. Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't they the #1 ball before the ProV1 too?
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  • RSinSGRSinSG St George, UT (Formerly Palm Springs, CA)ClubWRX  3398WRX Points: 454Handicap: 8.5Posts: 3,398 ClubWRX
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    I'm pretty sure it's because of the K-Sigs.
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  • Mr. GrumpyMr. Grumpy The Quintana Changeup, sit em dwn Members  2606WRX Points: 394Posts: 2,606 Titanium Tees
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    Other ball makers are stepping up their game,, and sometimes the result is comparable for less money.. Only so far you can go with it..
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  • GolfingDad44GolfingDad44 Members  89WRX Points: 4Handicap: 2Posts: 89 Bunkers
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    Simple answer is who's going to release the next truly innovative ball? I like that Titliest offered the AVX ball. It's a sign that they aren't sitting back with the ProV1 and waiting for someone to overtake them.
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  • wfrogge1wfrogge1 Members  1282WRX Points: 218Posts: 1,282 Platinum Tees
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    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.<br />
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    The ProV1x and AVX are on completely different ends of the spectrum from each other so I don't see this happening
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Members  2751WRX Points: 956Posts: 2,751 Titanium Tees
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    As of October titleist had 45% market share down 1%, Callaway had 16% down 1% Tm and Bridgestone had 10% each up 1% each.<br />
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    It’s going to be awhile before anyone catches titleist market share. TM or Bridgestone probavky carch Callaway before anyone them really cut into titleist
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  • jwb10jwb10 Major Winner MarsMembers  1126WRX Points: 172Handicap: 1Posts: 1,126 Platinum Tees
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    Danny Choo wrote:
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    Titliest is never shy about the number of players playing the Pro V1 and Pro V1X on tour. Titliest is getting stiff competition and other balls are side by side on the PGA tour with wins this year. Will Titliest lose their grip on the golf ball market due to manufacturers proving they are just as good or better? YTD below tour results with winners ball.<br />
    <br />
    Safeway open- Kevin Tway Pro V1<br />
    Cimb classic- Mark leishmania Chrome soft<br />
    CJ cup-Brooks Koepka Pro V1<br />
    Wgc-hsbc championship- Xander Schauffele Chrome soft<br />
    Sanderson farms- Cameron Champ Srixon Z star<br />
    Shriners- Bryson Dechambeau Bridgestone BX<br />
    OHL classic- Matt Kuchar Bridgestone BX<br />
    RSM classic- Charles Howell III Pro V1<br />
    Hero world challenge- John Rahm TP5<br />
    Tournament of champions- Xander Schauffele Chrome soft<br />
    Sony Open- Matt Kuchar bridgestone BX<br />
    Career builder challenge- A. Long Pro V1<br />
    Farmers insurance- Justin Rose Tp5<br />
    Phoenix open- Ricky FowlerTP5<br />
    Attached pebble beach- Phil Mickelson chrome soft<br />
    <br />
    Titliest-4<br />
    Callaway-4<br />
    Taylormade-3<br />
    Bridgestone-3<br />
    Srixon-1<br />
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    <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/taunt.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':taunt:' /><br />
    Noooo !!! <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/swoon.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':swoon:' />
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  • larciellarciel I play for eagle Members  2560WRX Points: 295Posts: 2,560 Titanium Tees
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    GoGoErky wrote:
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    As of October titleist had 45% market share down 1%, Callaway had 16% down 1% Tm and Bridgestone had 10% each up 1% each.<br />
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    It's going to be awhile before anyone catches titleist market share. TM or Bridgestone probavky carch Callaway before anyone them really cut into titleist<br />
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    Totally within margin of error. i.e. TItleist is doing fine.
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Members  2751WRX Points: 956Posts: 2,751 Titanium Tees
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    larciel wrote:
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    GoGoErky wrote:
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    As of October titleist had 45% market share down 1%, Callaway had 16% down 1% Tm and Bridgestone had 10% each up 1% each.<br />
    <br />
    It's going to be awhile before anyone catches titleist market share. TM or Bridgestone probavky carch Callaway before anyone them really cut into titleist<br />
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    Totally within margin of error. i.e. TItleist is doing fine.<br />
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    Yep and with the yellow prov1 1x that should draw some golfers in
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  • glmglm Members  253WRX Points: 66Handicap: 5Posts: 253 Greens
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    There's only so much you can do with a golf ball. All of the manufacturers should have that figured out by now don't you think.
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Members  2751WRX Points: 956Posts: 2,751 Titanium Tees
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    glm wrote:
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    There's only so much you can do with a golf ball. All of the manufacturers should have that figured out by now don't you think.<br />
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    There may only be so many things that can be done but there’s lots of ways to do them.
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  • Nixhex524Nixhex524 ClubWRX  4767WRX Points: 522Handicap: 3.2Posts: 4,767 ClubWRX
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    If they keep paying the most players, I don't see how they can be in trouble.
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  • Josh L.Josh L. Members  402WRX Points: 127Posts: 402 Greens
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    Thats a pretty small sample size, why don't we wait and see how more of the season plays out before we jump to conclusions like Titleist being in trouble because out of 15 events they've only had their ball win 4 times.
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  • StanksStanks Everything I post is confrontational Members  1818WRX Points: 279Handicap: ?Posts: 1,818 Platinum Tees
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    Is ProV1 in trouble? Absolutely not. For every one ball you find out there to add to your shag bag, there is probably a ProV1 or ProV1X to match it elsewhere on the course. It's popular and will be for a long time. Ricky JUST switched this year. He is 30 years old and only has ever played that one other ball. That's saying something.
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  • Bushwood Country ClubBushwood Country Club Bushwood Country Club Members  944WRX Points: 139Handicap: 8.8Posts: 944 Golden Tee
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    <br />
    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.<br />
    <br />
    As for being the best ball?<br />
    <br />
    There are so many balls to play that are high quality. Pro V is #1 in US because Titleist sponsors so many fledgling pros at the beginning of their careers.<br />
    <br />
    That is also changing.<br />
    <br />
    Loyalties change and the ROW does not have the same allegiance to Titleist as Americans do. Look at the LPGA, very international, many balls in play,the men are becoming more that way, but Collegiate NCAA golf is just slowing it a bit, that's all.<br />
    did you even read this before you posted it? What does “ Pro v will go away but Pro v1 will stay” even mean? You heard ‘from inside titleist” but you don’t even know what the correct name of the ball is? I think the short bus is waiting for you at the curb... please, don’t post pure speculative bs masquerading as fact...
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  • Big BenBig Ben Members  9351WRX Points: 518Handicap: 5Posts: 9,351 Titanium Tees
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    ProV1 will have dominant market share for sure but is it still the best ball? Lots of nice choices these days for peeps willing to test the waters. Now if your idea of buying balls is walking into the Club Pro shop and putting them on the tab ProV’s will get the nod. For me, I’m rolling 6dz Snell Reds @ $165 beans and saving my money for the bets!
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  • SEP1006SEP1006 Pearland, Tx.ClubWRX  1332WRX Points: 348Handicap: 6.5 and trendingPosts: 1,332 ClubWRX
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    Mr. Grumpy wrote:
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    Other ball makers are stepping up their game,, and sometimes the result is comparable for less money.. Only so far you can go with it..<br />
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    One word, SNELL
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  • jjfcpajjfcpa Golf Nut Omaha, NEMembers  853WRX Points: 290Handicap: 12Posts: 853 Golden Tee
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    Anyone seen head-to-head Snell MTB Black vs ProV1 or MTB Red vs ProV1x? I'd put money on Snell.
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  • North TexasNorth Texas Members  4608WRX Points: 951Posts: 4,608 Titanium Tees
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    <br />
    <br />
    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.<br />
    <br />
    As for being the best ball?<br />
    <br />
    There are so many balls to play that are high quality. Pro V is #1 in US because Titleist sponsors so many fledgling pros at the beginning of their careers.<br />
    <br />
    That is also changing.<br />
    <br />
    Loyalties change and the ROW does not have the same allegiance to Titleist as Americans do. Look at the LPGA, very international, many balls in play,the men are becoming more that way, but Collegiate NCAA golf is just slowing it a bit, that's all.<br />
    did you even read this before you posted it? What does “ Pro v will go away but Pro v1 will stay” even mean? You heard ‘from inside titleist” but you don’t even know what the correct name of the ball is? I think the short bus is waiting for you at the curb... please, don’t post pure speculative bs masquerading as fact...<br />
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    Got to admit, I was a little confused by what he said as well.
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  • North TexasNorth Texas Members  4608WRX Points: 951Posts: 4,608 Titanium Tees
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    BTW, the ball count at Pebble was 74% using Titleist. Just saying.
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Members  2751WRX Points: 956Posts: 2,751 Titanium Tees
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    BTW, the ball count at Pebble was 74% using Titleist. Just saying.<br />
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    I believe at WM it was 72% and nearest competitor 12%
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  • GolfingDad44GolfingDad44 Members  89WRX Points: 4Handicap: 2Posts: 89 Bunkers
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    GoGoErky wrote:
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    BTW, the ball count at Pebble was 74% using Titleist. Just saying.<br />
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    I believe at WM it was 72% and nearest competitor 12%<br />
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    Interesting stats but the OP was only citing "wins" by brand as a point for the ProV1 to be potentially in troube. This is different from ball count on tour (which Titleist clearly dominates). I think the ball count on tour clearly shows there is no issue with the ProV1 tour usage. I'd be curious to see how the consumer market looks but I'd be willing to be the ProV1 still dominates and could be taking some market share back with the yellow ball next month.
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  • ChrisGio315ChrisGio315 Members  457WRX Points: 63Handicap: 17Posts: 457 Greens
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    Ive tried a lot of different balls in my short time playing the game...For consistency of quality, I always feel confident gaming a Titleist ball. Also, for me, price doesnt play a factor. Balls are expensive so DONT LOSE THEM!
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  • North TexasNorth Texas Members  4608WRX Points: 951Posts: 4,608 Titanium Tees
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    <br />
    GoGoErky wrote:
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    <br />
    BTW, the ball count at Pebble was 74% using Titleist. Just saying.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    I believe at WM it was 72% and nearest competitor 12%<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    Interesting stats but the OP was only citing "wins" by brand as a point for the ProV1 to be potentially in troube. This is different from ball count on tour (which Titleist clearly dominates). I think the ball count on tour clearly shows there is no issue with the ProV1 tour usage. I'd be curious to see how the consumer market looks but I'd be willing to be the ProV1 still dominates and could be taking some market share back with the yellow ball next month.<br />
    <br />
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    Another way to look at what the OP is saying, is that more players have used Titleist to win than any other ball at this point. Meaning 4 different players have used Titleist while only 3 different players have used Callaway and TaylorMade. That's about as meaningless as what the OP is trying to say.
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