Is the Pro V1 in trouble?

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  • BottleCapBottleCap  1494WRX Points: 249Members Posts: 1,494 Platinum Tees
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    Titleist also has lots of head pros at private clubs on their staff.
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  • LUMALUMA I Am My Greatest Downfall St. Johns / Jacksonville Florida 2374WRX Points: 135Members Posts: 2,374 Platinum Tees
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    I have found myself trying everything except Tiitleist the last few years. Titleist will always be my standard but... I like an X ball characteristic but dont care for the feel. That being said, I am trying other companies X balls in search of similar performance and a bit softer feel.



    Currently trying out the TP5X. Tried Chromesoft X last year and really liked the feel but spun too much on approach shots for me. I also just went back to MB's and gained some spin back along with a higher launch so I may be going back to a non X ball...
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  • hgtiger24hgtiger24  87WRX Points: 62Handicap: 12Members Posts: 87 Fairways
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    Right now? No. Tons of the older crowd still buy pro Vs and only pro v. Among younger golfers? Yea, they are. Out of my entire college golf team as well as guys i've met from other programs very few play pro v. I see more srixon than anything partially because of price point. TP5 is coming in hot and theres even a few guys that have stock from the nike rzns. Pro V is still great, but i don't think they're as dominant in the market as they were. $50 is a lot for a dozen balls.
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  • trackcoach13trackcoach13 NJ 1105WRX Points: 285Handicap: 4Members Posts: 1,105 Platinum Tees
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    I believe Molinari just switched to Chrome Soft.
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    Driver: Cobra F9 with HZRDUS SMOKE Stiff
    3W: Titleist 917F2 w/Fujikura Speeder Pro Tour Spec 84 Stiff
    2I: Srixon Z U65 18 Degree w/Miyazaki Kaula 7s
    Irons: Mizuno MP-54 3-PW DG S300 
    Wedge: Vokey TVD 56 K-Grind
    Wedge: Vokey SM6 60-12 K-Grind 
    Putter: Scotty Cameron Newport 2
  • swgolf12swgolf12  1056WRX Points: 201Members Posts: 1,056 Platinum Tees
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    wfrogge1 wrote:



    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.








    The ProV1x and AVX are on completely different ends of the spectrum from each other so I don't see this happening




    Uhh, what??? They're both in the premium ball category, both have the same price point, not sure how they're "completely different ends of the spectrum"
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  • noodle3872noodle3872 Chilliwack B.C. Canada 3144WRX Points: 535Handicap: 8.3Members Posts: 3,144 Titanium Tees
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    swgolf12 wrote:

    wfrogge1 wrote:



    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.








    The ProV1x and AVX are on completely different ends of the spectrum from each other so I don't see this happening




    Uhh, what??? They're both in the premium ball category, both have the same price point, not sure how they're "completely different ends of the spectrum"




    I think he means performance spectrum;
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  • dkr1269dkr1269  53WRX Points: 16Handicap: 18Members Posts: 53 Bunkers
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    The Pro V1 is a wonderful ball, possibly the best. But their competition from Callaway to Vice and all between now make balls that are comparable. Some people will like one over the other for various reasons. The competition actually did Titleist a huge favor by raising their prices to Pro V1 levels. As long as the price is close, Titleist won't have any problems selling balls.
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky  2490WRX Points: 856Members Posts: 2,490 Platinum Tees
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    I believe Molinari just switched to Chrome Soft.




    Getting paid to with his recent Callaway deal
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  • trackcoach13trackcoach13 NJ 1105WRX Points: 285Handicap: 4Members Posts: 1,105 Platinum Tees
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    GoGoErky wrote:



    I believe Molinari just switched to Chrome Soft.




    Getting paid to with his recent Callaway deal




    Is there anybody not being paid to play a ball on tour?
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    Driver: Cobra F9 with HZRDUS SMOKE Stiff
    3W: Titleist 917F2 w/Fujikura Speeder Pro Tour Spec 84 Stiff
    2I: Srixon Z U65 18 Degree w/Miyazaki Kaula 7s
    Irons: Mizuno MP-54 3-PW DG S300 
    Wedge: Vokey TVD 56 K-Grind
    Wedge: Vokey SM6 60-12 K-Grind 
    Putter: Scotty Cameron Newport 2
  • grm24grm24 Western PA 4128WRX Points: 1,228Members Posts: 4,128 Titanium Tees
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    GoGoErky wrote:



    I believe Molinari just switched to Chrome Soft.




    Getting paid to with his recent Callaway deal




    Is there anybody not being paid to play a ball on tour?
    Brooks Koepka and Patrick Reed. May be others.
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  • new2g0lfnew2g0lf  3448WRX Points: 355Members Posts: 3,448 Titanium Tees
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    I think the stats demonstrate that like drivers, premium golf balls are at or close to their max potential and there is very little difference between the manufacturers. Personal preference and fitting will dictate which ball is best for an individual but overall it seems any edge Titleist had or claimed to have no longer exists beyond what they choose to pay professionals to select their ball over their competitors.
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  • wfrogge1wfrogge1  1282WRX Points: 218Members Posts: 1,282 Platinum Tees
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    swgolf12 wrote:

    wfrogge1 wrote:



    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.








    The ProV1x and AVX are on completely different ends of the spectrum from each other so I don't see this happening




    Uhh, what??? They're both in the premium ball category, both have the same price point, not sure how they're "completely different ends of the spectrum"






    One ball spins more off irons and wedges than any other on the market while the other is not even close. The AVX is made for players that come in steep and add a lot of spin. A good player that does not come in steep will have issues with the AVX off the tee and out of the rough (not enough spin for many)
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  • trackcoach13trackcoach13 NJ 1105WRX Points: 285Handicap: 4Members Posts: 1,105 Platinum Tees
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    new2g0lf wrote:


    I think the stats demonstrate that like drivers, premium golf balls are at or close to their max potential and there is very little difference between the manufacturers. Personal preference and fitting will dictate which ball is best for an individual but overall it seems any edge Titleist had or claimed to have no longer exists beyond what they choose to pay professionals to select their ball over their competitors.


    As usual, very well said.
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    Driver: Cobra F9 with HZRDUS SMOKE Stiff
    3W: Titleist 917F2 w/Fujikura Speeder Pro Tour Spec 84 Stiff
    2I: Srixon Z U65 18 Degree w/Miyazaki Kaula 7s
    Irons: Mizuno MP-54 3-PW DG S300 
    Wedge: Vokey TVD 56 K-Grind
    Wedge: Vokey SM6 60-12 K-Grind 
    Putter: Scotty Cameron Newport 2
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    grm24 wrote:


    GoGoErky wrote:



    I believe Molinari just switched to Chrome Soft.




    Getting paid to with his recent Callaway deal




    Is there anybody not being paid to play a ball on tour?
    Brooks Koepka and Patrick Reed. May be others.


    And Reed switched to the Z-Star and said it is a better ball. LOL
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    Driver: Cobra F9 with HZRDUS SMOKE Stiff
    3W: Titleist 917F2 w/Fujikura Speeder Pro Tour Spec 84 Stiff
    2I: Srixon Z U65 18 Degree w/Miyazaki Kaula 7s
    Irons: Mizuno MP-54 3-PW DG S300 
    Wedge: Vokey TVD 56 K-Grind
    Wedge: Vokey SM6 60-12 K-Grind 
    Putter: Scotty Cameron Newport 2
  • DZ973DZ973  71WRX Points: 61Handicap: 9ClubWRX Posts: 71 Bunkers
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    Mannnn “inside sources” yadda yadda...

    You wanna know why Titleist is going to be #1 forever, especially on tours?

    It’s not because of ball flight characteristics, spin numbers or build..... ITS THEIR QUALITY CONTROL.

    Sure the TP5 is an amazing ball. Punches pound for pound with the pro V1. BUT fill a glass with a ton of epsom salt; put a dot (with a sharpie) on 12 TP5s, and put a dot on 12 ProV1s, and then float them.

    Now, does this matter to average joes like us? Absolutely not, but for the pros it’s a HUGE difference. And as the pros keep using titleists flagship ball (no matter what they call it) titleist will still use their same slogan in the commercials, and guys like us will STILL fork over the dough because we see it in the commercial, and hear the tag line.

    (Off my soapbox)

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  • BubbBubb  1335WRX Points: 158Handicap: 9Members Posts: 1,335 Platinum Tees
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    On -, @DZ973 said:

    Mannnn “inside sources” yadda yadda...

    You wanna know why Titleist is going to be #1 forever, especially on tours?

    It’s not because of ball flight characteristics, spin numbers or build..... ITS THEIR QUALITY CONTROL.

    Sure the TP5 is an amazing ball. Punches pound for pound with the pro V1. BUT fill a glass with a ton of epsom salt; put a dot (with a sharpie) on 12 TP5s, and put a dot on 12 ProV1s, and then float them.

    Now, does this matter to average joes like us? Absolutely not, but for the pros it’s a HUGE difference. And as the pros keep using titleists flagship ball (no matter what they call it) titleist will still use their same slogan in the commercials, and guys like us will STILL fork over the dough because we see it in the commercial, and hear the tag line.

    (Off my soapbox)

    So is Rickie going to see a "HUGE" difference as a result of his recent switch? If not, it's presumably because he has access to balls that have been specially-selected, right? And if the pros have access to specially-selected balls, why would Titleist's quality control be THE difference maker in determining tour usage as you've suggested?

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  • ryborybo  2239WRX Points: 133Handicap: +1.6Members Posts: 2,239 Platinum Tees
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    In a word yes. Since the beginning of the year it looks like the TP5 is leading in wins. With Titleist and Callaway tied. Bridgestone one or two back. Titleist has never had so much competition as they do now. :

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    Why do you think they brought out the Yellow ball.

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  • starrman77starrman77 Starrman Northeast ohio 445WRX Points: 127Handicap: 8Members Posts: 445 Greens
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    Many pro's will continue to play them because they are a good ball and they are free. There are just too many good cheaper options for the rest of us to bother with these at almost $50.00 a dz.

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  • backhillbackhill  114WRX Points: 70Members Posts: 114 Fairways
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    Three mentions:

    IF you take Rickie's win and very timely switch, Titleist's numbers would look much better with 5 against the field, but the switch was made, and so we have the list we have.

    Most course pro shops (even some retailers) have the PV in stock (not everyone). Sometimes I'm not as certain that I will find a sleeve of what I need on the shelf when I need it regarding the Chrome Soft, TP5, Bridgestones, and Srixons. Outside of the tour trend, the ProV love is still very strong for the people with change in their pocket. I even get excited when I find one out on the course.

    Obviously we are seeing a trend away from the PV on tour. As mentioned before, change is inevitable. When or how that change comes about is unknown. The 2019 TP5(x) numbers make it very interesting for those with high, tour-level, swing speeds.

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  • PepperturboPepperturbo Midwest and Southwest 16395WRX Points: 784Handicap: Low-Mid SDMembers Posts: 16,395 Titanium Tees
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    Who wins with what ball does not define the value of a ball like ProV1. The number of ProV1 users, on the other hand, still beat all other balls. Yes, there are many other balls, but this provides facts. https://is.gd/Dj4lVx "Titleist golf ball players have recorded 120 victories around the world, nearly seven times the nearest competitor with 16. Since its introduction in 2000, the Pro V1 golf ball franchise has been the golf ball of choice for more than 2,900 champions worldwide."

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    On -, @Pepperturbo said:

    Who wins with what ball does not define the value of a ball like ProV1. The number of ProV1 users, on the other hand, still beat all other balls. Yes, there are many other balls, but this provides facts. https://is.gd/Dj4lVx "Titleist golf ball players have recorded 120 victories around the world, nearly seven times the nearest competitor with 16. Since its introduction in 2000, the Pro V1 golf ball franchise has been the golf ball of choice for more than 2,900 champions worldwide."

    They are almost all being paid to play the ball. Don't fall for their marketing gimmick. They have like a gazillion players under contract to play their ball which is a large part of the reason they have to charge $48/dz.

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    Driver: Cobra F9 with HZRDUS SMOKE Stiff
    3W: Titleist 917F2 w/Fujikura Speeder Pro Tour Spec 84 Stiff
    2I: Srixon Z U65 18 Degree w/Miyazaki Kaula 7s
    Irons: Mizuno MP-54 3-PW DG S300 
    Wedge: Vokey TVD 56 K-Grind
    Wedge: Vokey SM6 60-12 K-Grind 
    Putter: Scotty Cameron Newport 2
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    On -, @backhill said:

    Three mentions:

    IF you take Rickie's win and very timely switch, Titleist's numbers would look much better with 5 against the field, but the switch was made, and so we have the list we have.

    Most course pro shops (even some retailers) have the PV in stock (not everyone). Sometimes I'm not as certain that I will find a sleeve of what I need on the shelf when I need it regarding the Chrome Soft, TP5, Bridgestones, and Srixons. Outside of the tour trend, the ProV love is still very strong for the people with change in their pocket. I even get excited when I find one out on the course.

    Obviously we are seeing a trend away from the PV on tour. As mentioned before, change is inevitable. When or how that change comes about is unknown. The 2019 TP5(x) numbers make it very interesting for those with high, tour-level, swing speeds.

    Can you provide the numbers that show we are obviously seeing a trend away from the PV on tour?

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  • North TexasNorth Texas  4533WRX Points: 894Members Posts: 4,533 Titanium Tees
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    Here's the latest update for those still interested in this.
    Thus far in the 2018-19 professional golf season, Titleist golf ball players have recorded 35 victories around the world. The nearest competitor has 11 victories. The worldwide golf ball count stands at Titleist with 5,573 and the nearest competitor at 721.

    If this not undeniable evidence that the Pro V1 is clearly in trouble, then I don't know what it. They have got to do something before it is too late or they are toast. Must be a lot of late night meetings taking place.

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  • FlyOverFlyOver SoCal 394WRX Points: 106Handicap: 5Members Posts: 394 Bunkers
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    On -, @rybo said:

    In a word yes. Since the beginning of the year it looks like the TP5 is leading in wins. With Titleist and Callaway tied. Bridgestone one or two back. Titleist has never had so much competition as they do now. :

    The TP5 is played by DJ, Rahm, Rory, Rose, and Fowler. How can they not have the majority of wins. Those are all top 10 players!

    Add Tiger and Day....The TP5 ball has 7 of the top 15 players in the world. Odds are a TP5 ball will win the Masters.

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  • Chachi2Chachi2  1866WRX Points: 1,280Handicap: 69Members Posts: 1,866 Platinum Tees
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    More players at the Yucatan Masters used the Titleist ProV1 than all other balls.

    COMBINED!

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    On -, @FlyOver said:

    On -, @rybo said:

    In a word yes. Since the beginning of the year it looks like the TP5 is leading in wins. With Titleist and Callaway tied. Bridgestone one or two back. Titleist has never had so much competition as they do now. :

    The TP5 is played by DJ, Rahm, Rory, Rose, and Fowler. How can they not have the majority of wins. Those are all top 10 players!

    Add Tiger and Day....The TP5 ball has 7 of the top 15 players in the world. Odds are a TP5 ball will win the Masters.

    Tiger plays a Bridgestone B XS.

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    Driver: Cobra F9 with HZRDUS SMOKE Stiff
    3W: Titleist 917F2 w/Fujikura Speeder Pro Tour Spec 84 Stiff
    2I: Srixon Z U65 18 Degree w/Miyazaki Kaula 7s
    Irons: Mizuno MP-54 3-PW DG S300 
    Wedge: Vokey TVD 56 K-Grind
    Wedge: Vokey SM6 60-12 K-Grind 
    Putter: Scotty Cameron Newport 2
  • backhillbackhill  114WRX Points: 70Members Posts: 114 Fairways
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    On -, @North Texas said:

    On -, @backhill said:

    Three mentions:

    IF you take Rickie's win and very timely switch, Titleist's numbers would look much better with 5 against the field, but the switch was made, and so we have the list we have.

    Most course pro shops (even some retailers) have the PV in stock (not everyone). Sometimes I'm not as certain that I will find a sleeve of what I need on the shelf when I need it regarding the Chrome Soft, TP5, Bridgestones, and Srixons. Outside of the tour trend, the ProV love is still very strong for the people with change in their pocket. I even get excited when I find one out on the course.

    Obviously we are seeing a trend away from the PV on tour. As mentioned before, change is inevitable. When or how that change comes about is unknown. The 2019 TP5(x) numbers make it very interesting for those with high, tour-level, swing speeds.

    Can you provide the numbers that show we are obviously seeing a trend away from the PV on tour?

    No hard numbers, just subjective optics. I think players on tour are finding more comparable, or better, with other makers. Obviously the PV is still dominating but I think their market share on tour has diminished slightly.

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