I’m giving up Blades... sort of...

tgoodspe1991tgoodspe1991 New EnglandMembers Posts: 645 ✭✭
So I have decided, even though I’m a decent player and still easily have “the swing speed” for ‘em, I’m giving up Blades.



My only real miss with irons and wedges are shots off the toe, and since a blade has usually more mass in the heel, I get the worst drop offs in that situation. I think the time has come that there’s just too much tech and forgiveness in modern players cavity clubs to overlook it anymore. I have had great rounds and bad rounds with all types of clubs, but I think on average true musclebacks contribute more on the negative side and players cavity clubs on the positive side.



So for 2019 I’m setting myself some restrictions to my club-ho bags to see if I improve:



(1) No muscle back irons whatsoever unless it’s in the PW or 9i, I love the look of blades so this way I could have them still but more on shorter shots with less penal misses. But even then try to not play them entirely.



(2) All other irons must be players cavity variety, ie: AP2, Apex Pro, Cobra KING, Mizuno SC, Taylormade P750/760, etc.



(3) Longest iron is a 4i, no more 3i, and maybe try to incorporate an even more forgiving 4i like a Z585 when using Z785 irons or something.



I love love love the look of true MB’s, but the reality is I think CB’s and up help my game on average more often given my specific miss patterns. With all the tungsten and weight distribution and tech, CB irons just have more versatility in their potential designs.



I thought I’d open the discussion for others who are thinking the same, and I’ll try to report back as time progresses. I really want to try to stick to these general rules for all of 2019 and get a good test going to see if I feel my game has improved on average. Wish me luck!
“Golf is deceptively simple and endlessly complicated; it satisfies the soul and frustrates the intellect. It is at the same
time rewarding and maddening – and it is without a doubt the greatest game mankind has ever invented."
- Arnold Palmer
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  • rjp217rjp217 Members Posts: 228 ✭✭
    Part of the same reasons I moved off a full true blade set. I didn’t get to play as much as i used to so my consistency went away with MBs. Decided to move to the blended set of Mizuno MP 18s and it’s really helped my game with respect to forgiveness/confidence.
    In Bag:

    TaylorMade M3 9.5* (Tensei Pro White 70TX)
    P790UDI 2 (Aldila RIP Alpha 105X)
    Mizuno MP18: MMC FH 3-4 / MMC 5-6 / SC 7-8 / MB 9-PW (KBS Tour 130X)
    Cleveland RTX4 Black 50* (DG TI Onyx X100)
    Cleveland RTX3 Raw 54* / 60* (DG TI Onyx X100)
    PXG Bat Attack P 375 (Black Steel)

    On Rotation:

    TaylorMade M3 15* (Aldila Rogue Silver 70X)
    Mizuno MP18 MMC FH 2 (KBS Tour 130X)
    '18 TM O-Works 7CH (Black Steel)
  • MelloYelloMelloYello Members Posts: 3,058 ✭✭
    edited Feb 12, 2019 11:15am #3
    I'd say go with whatever gives you confidence and frees you up. You definitely don't want to use anything you don't feel you can hit.



    I've been able to slide into a small CB without hesitation. My MP-64s were probably the sweetest pseudo-blade I tried. My VR Split Cavities were also buttery soft and just as perimeter-weighted as say, an AP2 or some newer Callaway Apex.



    Nothing wrong with CBs at all. Very little difference IMO. Just gotta find what you like in terms of size, offset, sole width, etc.
    Driver: TaylorMade M3 (10.5)
    Fairway: TaylorMade RBZ Black (16.5)
    Hybrid: Adams Pro Black 9031 (20 / 23)
    Irons: Titleist 716 CB (5-Pw)
    Wedges: Vokey SM6 52 (F) / 56 (F) / 60 (S)
    Putter: Nike Method Milled 003
  • llewol007llewol007 4KidsGolfer ClubWRX Posts: 3,355 ClubWRX
    I went combo set and it has helped my transition from full MB sets. It's a good in between. Although I want to carry a 4 iron, there is nothing wrong with a hybrid
    Cobra F8 9* Aldila Rogue 60 3.0 X Stiff
    Cobra LTD 14.5 Degree Aldila Rogue 70 3.3 X Stiff
    Cobra LTD 17.5 Degree Aldila Rogue 70 3.6 X Stiff
    Cobra MB/CB 4-PW DG AMT S300 Black HHx1
    Cobra MB 50/54/60 DG AMT S300 Black HHx1
    Taylor Made Ghost Long Hosel DA22
    Vice Pro +
  • dennis4190dennis4190 Louisville,KyMembers Posts: 557 ✭✭
    The scorecard doesn’t know what irons you’re using. Use what helps your score the most
  • GMR2ironGMR2iron Members Posts: 1,518 ✭✭
    Played Mizuno blades my whole life, went to the Titleist 718CB's. Almost looks like a blade from address, but much more playable in the longer irons. Just as workable. Not missing my Mizzy's at all...
    Titleist 915D4 9.75 Matrix Black Tie
    Titleist 915F 15.5 Matrix Black Tie
    Titleist TMB 2 iron Tensei Pro White
    Titleist 718CB 3 thru PW
    Titleist SM7 50-08 and 56-08
    Yes! Tracy
  • greenwavegolfergreenwavegolfer Members Posts: 127 ✭✭
    I wish I could get myself around to that way of thinking. I plan on getting fit for the new Srixon irons in a few weeks and my current thoughts pre-fitting are a set of Z-Forged blades from 5-P and a Z-785 3i and 4i (bending the 4i 1° weak to blend the set a little better). I'd actually probably do just fine, if not objectively slightly better with the added forgiveness of just doing the 785s in 3-P and maybe just loft matching them to the Z-Forged specs (basically 1° weak in 4-8) but I just love the way a blade looks and feels and that little less offset. I rationalize it to myself that I don't play competitively really (though I want to start getting into some local am tournaments this year) and I should just play what I like best within reason and certainly as a scratch golfer the difference is probably very small between a blade and a players CB in the mid and short irons anyway. But I'm certain there are shots here and there where I would get more out of that slight cavity, toe shots like you say which do creep up on me as well from time to time. Fighting ego is hard in this game sometimes and I'm afraid for me it's usually a losing battle pretty often.
    WITB:

    Ping G400 LST 10º (Playing 9º) Project X EvenFlow Black 6.0
    Callaway Rogue SZ 3W (15º) Project X EvenFlow Blue 6.0
    Srixon Z-785 3i/4i Nippon Modus Tour 120X
    Srixon Z-Forged 5i-PW Nippon Modus Tour 120X
    Titleist SM5 50º SM6 54º, 58º Dynamic Gold S200
    Ping Sigma 2 Tyne
  • tgoodspe1991tgoodspe1991 New EnglandMembers Posts: 645 ✭✭
    MelloYello wrote:


    Nothing wrong with CBs at all. Very little difference IMO. Just gotta find what you like in terms of size, offset, sole width, etc.




    I do agree. Many players cavity back irons still look really great at address.



    I mean, a lot of Pros make pleeenntyyy of money using CB irons or bigger. I figure why am I making it harder on myself?



    Finding the right CB is going to be difficult. So much variation out there.
    “Golf is deceptively simple and endlessly complicated; it satisfies the soul and frustrates the intellect. It is at the same
    time rewarding and maddening – and it is without a doubt the greatest game mankind has ever invented."
    - Arnold Palmer
  • farmerfarmer Members Posts: 7,784 ✭✭
    tgood, you're making it harder on yourself because golf is an endless bout of self flagellation. Seriously, I think you'll be happy with the change.
  • tgoodspe1991tgoodspe1991 New EnglandMembers Posts: 645 ✭✭
    farmer wrote:


    tgood, you're making it harder on yourself because golf is an endless bout of self flagellation. Seriously, I think you'll be happy with the change.




    I like to think so too. The MB allure is hard to resist, but I just know it's time to start making some smart decisions with my bag around what's actually going to help me. So many players who are far better than me have made the switch or have combo sets, so why not me?
    “Golf is deceptively simple and endlessly complicated; it satisfies the soul and frustrates the intellect. It is at the same
    time rewarding and maddening – and it is without a doubt the greatest game mankind has ever invented."
    - Arnold Palmer
  • tobiasjdtobiasjd Members Posts: 427 ✭✭
    I like the look of blades too. That's why I only look at them.
    Cobra King LTD Black
    Titleist 910FD 15° 3w
    Titleist 917F2 18° 5w
    Callaway Apex 4h
    PING iBlade 5 - PW
    PING Glide 50° SS
    PING Glide 2.0 Stealth 56°, 60° SS
    Bettinardi BB1
  • Carl Spackler3Carl Spackler3 Members Posts: 911 ✭✭
    I have continued to seek forgiveness through years of Mizunos. 32, 57, 53, jpx 850, now 900 hot metals. You can get used to looking at any size iron with any size top line. And Hot metals are surprisingly easy to work right or left. Time is to pre ious to overthink . I’ll take high long and straight over tight looking blades
    Titleist 915 D2
    Ping G 3 W
    Ping G 5W
    Ping G25 Hybrid
    Mizuno JPX 900 hot metal 5-GW
    Vokey 52-08 sm4
    Vokey 56-14 sm6
    Odyssey White Hot RX2 ( but it better be careful)
  • kcsfkcsf Members Posts: 1,024 ✭✭

    farmer wrote:


    tgood, you're making it harder on yourself because golf is an endless bout of self flagellation. Seriously, I think you'll be happy with the change.




    I like to think so too. The MB allure is hard to resist, but I just know it's time to start making some smart decisions with my bag around what's actually going to help me. So many players who are far better than me have made the switch or have combo sets, so why not me?




    Have you given a look to the TMB, i500, and TM790 offerings? If you can give up a little feel vs the blades you might find them a great replacement. Forgiving, smallish size and muscle back look had me at hello.
  • ctay61983ctay61983 Members Posts: 125 ✭✭
    Srixon
  • GSDriverGSDriver Members Posts: 580 ✭✭
    Combo sets, I've liked those since my Hogan FTX from back in the day.



    I'm looking, haven't bought yet, at Apex Combo '19 set, then again might just stay with my Apex Pros from 2014, they're very nice irons, but hitting the 5 year old mark.
    Epic Speeder 661
    Rogue 4 Wood Evenflow 75 Blue
    Epic Hybrids 3/4/5
    Apex Pro 6-P Recoil 110 F4
    MD Slate Forged 52
    PM Grind 56/60
    Odyssey 7S
    All grips except putter are Iomic Sticky 2.3
  • tgoodspe1991tgoodspe1991 New EnglandMembers Posts: 645 ✭✭
    kcsf wrote:


    farmer wrote:


    tgood, you're making it harder on yourself because golf is an endless bout of self flagellation. Seriously, I think you'll be happy with the change.




    I like to think so too. The MB allure is hard to resist, but I just know it's time to start making some smart decisions with my bag around what's actually going to help me. So many players who are far better than me have made the switch or have combo sets, so why not me?




    Have you given a look to the TMB, i500, and TM790 offerings? If you can give up a little feel vs the blades you might find them a great replacement. Forgiving, smallish size and muscle back look had me at hello.




    I haven't tried any of them before besides a T-MB in a 2i and 3i. Very easy to hit, but I think I'd worry about having too little spin in the shorter irons. My buddy has the P790 which he seems to enjoy a lot and has hit some great shots with. I'd love a chunky top line but really little offset. The large offset is a struggle for me to look down at on some otherwise great looking irons.
    “Golf is deceptively simple and endlessly complicated; it satisfies the soul and frustrates the intellect. It is at the same
    time rewarding and maddening – and it is without a doubt the greatest game mankind has ever invented."
    - Arnold Palmer
  • tgoodspe1991tgoodspe1991 New EnglandMembers Posts: 645 ✭✭
    ctay61983 wrote:


    Srixon




    So far that's the main contender right now. I was thinking Z785 in 5-PW and either Z585 in the 4i or a 22* hybrid.



    Also considering I think...



    Apex 19 Pro

    Ping i210

    JPX 919 Forged (I think the 919 Tour are probably still too "bladey")



    The Srixon's are hard to resist though with their softer metal and awesome upgrade shafts at no charge -- like Tour Issue DG. Everyone upcharges for those except Srixon!
    “Golf is deceptively simple and endlessly complicated; it satisfies the soul and frustrates the intellect. It is at the same
    time rewarding and maddening – and it is without a doubt the greatest game mankind has ever invented."
    - Arnold Palmer
  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,085 ✭✭
    Word to the wise. Measure the swingweight and lie angles of your favorite mb. And only test an iron when you’ve added weight to the head to match that swingweight and adjusted for lie. Same or very very similar shaft helps too. Going whole hog and hitting a lighter head plus light shaft etc is a recipe to lose your swing. My opinion. For reference. My i500 pw measured E1 last week when I recordEd all specs.( 5/8 over with 130g shaft). Loads of lead tape. Most modern heads are a good bit lighter than an MB.



    TM Tour M6 11.2 * KK Tini XTS 70X
    TM Tour 17 M1 14.5* Graphite Design ADDI 8x
    Titleist Tour Proto MB 3-pw Modus 130X
    Ping Glide Forged   54 60 S400
    Cameron GSS 009 1.5 tungsten sole weights, sound slot
  • bladesoshanterbladesoshanter Members Posts: 39 ✭✭


    I'd love a chunky top line but really little offset. The large offset is a struggle for me to look down at on some otherwise great looking irons.


    +1

    Titleist 983E 8.5* Fujikura Vista Tour Series 70
    Titleist 909 F2 15.5* Project X 7B3 6.5 TS 75G
    Titleist T-MB 716 UST Mamiya Recoil Prototype 110 F5 3-4
    Titleist MB 716 UST Mamiya Recoil Prototype 110 F5 5-9
    Titleist BV SM5 48* F Nippon Pro Modus
    Titleist BV SM6 52* F KBS Hi Rev
    Titleist BV SM6 56* F KBS Hi Rev
    Titleist BV SM6 60* K KBS Hi Rev
    Scotty Cameron Newport Pro Platinum Mil-Spec 340G
  • Big BenBig Ben Members Posts: 8,936 ✭✭
    Checkout a full set of Cobra CB’s. The size is small and pleasing with the added benefit of tungsten plugs in the sole and toe.
    Irons: 19' Cobra CB's
    Drivers: Titleist TS3 & Cobra F9
    Fairway: Titleist 917F2
    Hybrid: A-Grind
    2 iron: Ping Rapture
    Wedges: Ping Gorge 2.0 Stealth's
    Putter: Evnroll 9.1
    Balls: ProV1
  • oz dee ceeoz dee cee Members Posts: 467 ✭✭
    edited Feb 13, 2019 12:51am #21
    I love the look and feel of blades but when I see a large portion of tour pros using cavity backs, I do have to wonder why we do it to ourselves?



    Anyway, can’t wait for the Ping blueprints to come out. 😬😆.
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  • LaymanMLaymanM Cincinnati, OHMembers Posts: 2,105 ✭✭
    Shelved my MP-32 for Z785 5-PW and 2/4 u65 with steel shafts. No regrets. Dont miss blades at all.
    PING G410 9* PX Evenflow Black 75 6.0
    PING G410 LST 3w PX Evenflow Black 85 6.0
    PING G410 5w PX Evenflow Black 85 6.0
    PING G410 4-PW AWT 2 0 stiff
    PING Stealth Glide 2.0 50ss/54ss/58ss
    PING Sigam G Tyne
  • tgoodspe1991tgoodspe1991 New EnglandMembers Posts: 645 ✭✭
    edited Feb 12, 2019 7:24pm #23
    oz dee cee wrote:


    I love the lolok and feel of blades but when I see a large portion of tour pros using cavity backs, I do have to wonder why we do it to ourselves?



    Anyway, can’t wait for the Ping blueprints to come out. 😬😆.




    Tell me about it...



    CH3 who is currently #2 on Tour in GIR with a bunch of rounds under his belt already does a combo set even further of:



    T-MB 4

    AP2 5-6-7

    CB 8-9-PW



    Mega CB/forgiveness combo set and here I am over here buying and selling butter knife 3-PW sets lol. Makes me wonder if CH3 who’s a way better player than me has a bag like this then maybe I should too lol


    LaymanM wrote:


    Shelved my MP-32 for Z785 5-PW and 2/4 u65 with steel shafts. No regrets. Dont miss blades at all.




    How’s the U85 in the 4i? Does it have loads of offset? I was thinking of doing Z785 5-PW with a Z585 4i. Debating the U85 but the photos make it look crazy offset.
    “Golf is deceptively simple and endlessly complicated; it satisfies the soul and frustrates the intellect. It is at the same
    time rewarding and maddening – and it is without a doubt the greatest game mankind has ever invented."
    - Arnold Palmer
  • LaymanMLaymanM Cincinnati, OHMembers Posts: 2,105 ✭✭

    oz dee cee wrote:


    I love the lolok and feel of blades but when I see a large portion of tour pros using cavity backs, I do have to wonder why we do it to ourselves?



    Anyway, can’t wait for the Ping blueprints to come out. 😬😆.




    Tell me about it...



    CH3 who is currently #2 on Tour in GIR with a bunch of rounds under his belt already does a combo set even further of:



    T-MB 4

    AP2 5-6-7

    CB 8-9-PW



    Mega CB/forgiveness combo set and here I am over here buying and selling butter knife 3-PW sets lol. Makes me wonder if CH3 who’s a way better player than me has a bag like this then maybe I should too lol


    LaymanM wrote:


    Shelved my MP-32 for Z785 5-PW and 2/4 u65 with steel shafts. No regrets. Dont miss blades at all.




    How’s the U85 in the 4i? Does it have loads of offset? I was thinking of doing Z785 5-PW with a Z585 4i. Debating the U85 but the photos make it look crazy offset.




    I dont think it does. Much less than a game improvement 4 iron would. I reshafted it to match irons and also length. It's a rocket. Love the u65. I did not like it with graphite though.
    PING G410 9* PX Evenflow Black 75 6.0
    PING G410 LST 3w PX Evenflow Black 85 6.0
    PING G410 5w PX Evenflow Black 85 6.0
    PING G410 4-PW AWT 2 0 stiff
    PING Stealth Glide 2.0 50ss/54ss/58ss
    PING Sigam G Tyne
  • LaymanMLaymanM Cincinnati, OHMembers Posts: 2,105 ✭✭
    U65 4i and z785 5i



    It's a lot bigger but mirrored back slims it down on course. Awesome off tee and soooo easy to hit. Like cheating
    PING G410 9* PX Evenflow Black 75 6.0
    PING G410 LST 3w PX Evenflow Black 85 6.0
    PING G410 5w PX Evenflow Black 85 6.0
    PING G410 4-PW AWT 2 0 stiff
    PING Stealth Glide 2.0 50ss/54ss/58ss
    PING Sigam G Tyne
  • dunndunn Members Posts: 6,361 ✭✭
    edited Feb 12, 2019 10:14pm #26
    Played mine today ..still shot 78 (no birds today) but man cpl mishits were bad...would my score change ....maybe a lil... but sure effects confidence and made me think alot more on next shot which didnt work out to my benefit, lol......made it worse....



    Just cuz they harder to hit and you have to concentrate more doesnt mean its gonna translate into better contact.....it can actually lead to worse contact and stiffer muscles thru swing in fear of not making a good one...



    Had 2 or 3 perfect shots (awesome feel that faded quick on next mishit, lol) but in 18 holes simply not enough.....CB's back in next round...



    Confidence frees up the swing, I dont really get any benefit other than "playing with MB" as my CB will do everything the same with less punishment.....I know this but havnt played the MB in awhile so thought I would take em out...
  • craz-ecraz-e Members Posts: 4,031 ✭✭
    You will be back!

    Muwahahahah
    Driver = Ping G410 Plus even flow black 6.0
    5 Wood = Taylormade Burner

    Irons = Miura 1957 Baby Blades Project X LZ 6.0 (4-PW)
    Wilson Staff FG59 DG S300's (4-PW)
    Titleist 718 MB Project X LZ 6.0 (4-PW)
    Wedges = Titleist Vokey SM6 52*, 56* and 60*

    = Taylormade 64* Hi-Toe
    Putter = Wilson Staff 8882
    Ball = Titleist AVX
  • tatertottatertot Members Posts: 4,315 ✭✭
    Wow ... A plus handicapper being honest about what's best for his game ....



    All those double digits arguing about the butteriest blades with negative offset on the other threads could probably pick up a thing or two from this.
    Driver: Adams Speedline Fast 11, 9°
    Fairway: Adams Fast 10, 15*
    Irons: Ping i200 3 iron, Ping iE1 4-PW
    Wedges: Titleist SM7, 48º; Titleist SM5, 54º & 58º
    Putter: Cleveland Classics Huntington Beach #1, 35"
  • agolf1agolf1 Members Posts: 683 ✭✭

    oz dee cee wrote:


    I love the lolok and feel of blades but when I see a large portion of tour pros using cavity backs, I do have to wonder why we do it to ourselves?



    Anyway, can't wait for the Ping blueprints to come out. ����.




    Tell me about it...



    CH3 who is currently #2 on Tour in GIR with a bunch of rounds under his belt already does a combo set even further of:



    T-MB 4

    AP2 5-6-7

    CB 8-9-PW



    Mega CB/forgiveness combo set and here I am over here buying and selling butter knife 3-PW sets lol. Makes me wonder if CH3 who's a way better player than me has a bag like this then maybe I should too lol


    LaymanM wrote:


    Shelved my MP-32 for Z785 5-PW and 2/4 u65 with steel shafts. No regrets. Dont miss blades at all.




    How's the U85 in the 4i? Does it have loads of offset? I was thinking of doing Z785 5-PW with a Z585 4i. Debating the U85 but the photos make it look crazy offset.


    I'm much worse at the game than you, but moved off an AP2 like club to a GI/SGI a while back based on the same thought process. Spieth and Phil were hitting AP2 and X-Forged, maybe I should try something with a bit more help.
    Titleist 910 D2 11.25*, Diamana Ilima R-Flex (tipped 1')
    Callaway X Hot Pro 19* Fairway, Project X Velocity 6.0
    TaylorMade Raylor 22*, Raylor RE*AX S-Flex
    Ping G25 5-PW (25*-44*), UW (49*), SW (54*), CFS R-Flex
    Ping Zing 2 L/S (57*)
    Ping Cadence TR Ketsch Putter
  • Chew70Chew70 Clan Johnstone Members Posts: 459 ✭✭
    Obviously it's up to you but forgiveness is bs for the most part. I went from blades to gi back to blades because the truth is my scoring average didn't change over a 2 year period. A pure strike with a blade is the pure essence of golf. Period. You can say what you want but the facts are no iron, gi or blade, will matter in the long run. Play what want and what looks good at adress. Life is too short. Peace out.
  • agolf1agolf1 Members Posts: 683 ✭✭
    tatertot wrote:


    Wow ... A plus handicapper being honest about what's best for his game ....



    All those double digits arguing about the butteriest blades with negative offset on the other threads could probably pick up a thing or two from this.


    They just came to this thread.
    Titleist 910 D2 11.25*, Diamana Ilima R-Flex (tipped 1')
    Callaway X Hot Pro 19* Fairway, Project X Velocity 6.0
    TaylorMade Raylor 22*, Raylor RE*AX S-Flex
    Ping G25 5-PW (25*-44*), UW (49*), SW (54*), CFS R-Flex
    Ping Zing 2 L/S (57*)
    Ping Cadence TR Ketsch Putter
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