Last time beating a dead horse - Kuch & Mayakoba

Under2hoursUnder2hours Posts: 1,392 ✭✭
edited Feb 28, 2019 7:44am in The Cooler - "Heated Topics" #1
Many have gone back and forth without detailed information & conjecture and I admit I have done google searches & read stories to ensure I know the facts as best I could.



Found this quote when Sergio won the Wyndham with a replacement caddie. Sergio's quote as to what he paid him (won $960,000 and interestingly was his first win in 4 years too).



"He'll probably get $75 (thousand) and a tip. He's going to be happy with what he gets. Obviously he is not going to get what a normal caddie would get, because his job was fairly easy. But he'll be happy with whatever he gets"



David Faircloth I already posted did nothing more then according to his words "Carry the clubs, clean them & pull the flag"



In a significant number of posts on the matter, many asked as to what exactly El Tucan did in order to assist Kuchar as a way to rationalize the pay he received (and minimizing any assistance he may have provided). Here is a post that answers that question.



Someone who was there said Kuchar gave credit to his caddie at the awards speech for helping him read the greens. Kuch made more birdies than anyone in the field. If this is true then definitely he wasn't just carrying the bag and actually provided invaluable local knowledge.



This debate for many of those who felt Kuchar stiffed the caddie came down to the following:
  1. The accepted pay to caddies based on what is the norm (and no one said pay him 10%) for all caddies carrying a tour players bag
  2. The unwritten code that any caddie involved in money games (playing with one's own chequebook) shares in the profit
  3. Precedents that existed and how replacement caddies were remunerated.


So again I ask those who defended Kuch so vehemently is there anything at all that could change your mind or give you pause to think?



And again for anyone who will blindly jump in. Kuchar's version of the agreed pay was

$1,000 ($500/rd missed cut)

$2,000 if played all four rounds

+$1,000 top 20

+$1,000 top 10





The extra $1,000 was his generous tip.... And now we see for helping him read the greens?????

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  • golfandfishinggolfandfishing Members Posts: 3,395 ✭✭
    Everything you posted here has been posted dozens of times already in the multiple threads already devoted to the topic. Did you get your attention for the day now? Does this help make up for the time your mom was late picking you up from soccer practice in the 4th grade?
  • produff26produff26 Members Posts: 29 ✭✭
    Paralysis by Analysis (Kind of like my golf game)..............
  • ItsjustagameItsjustagame Members Posts: 1,262 ✭✭
    In case you missed the news the caddy has been paid an additional amount.
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  • ray9898ray9898 Posts: 750 ✭✭
    edited Feb 28, 2019 8:01am #5
    The other threads weren't enough for you to discuss it?





    This place is full of trolls these days. "Hey look at me guys!"
  • justasgoodjustasgood Without Tempo, you are just a hacker. Members Posts: 2,583 ✭✭


    Many have gone back and forth without detailed information & conjecture and I admit I have done google searches & read stories to ensure I know the facts as best I could.



    Found this quote when Sergio won the Wyndham with a replacement caddie. Sergio's quote as to what he paid him (won $960,000 and interestingly was his first win in 4 years too).



    "He'll probably get $75 (thousand) and a tip. He's going to be happy with what he gets. Obviously he is not going to get what a normal caddie would get, because his job was fairly easy. But he'll be happy with whatever he gets"



    David Faircloth I already posted did nothing more then according to his words "Carry the clubs, clean them & pull the flag"



    In a significant number of posts on the matter, many asked as to what exactly El Tucan did in order to assist Kuchar as a way to rationalize the pay he received (and minimizing any assistance he may have provided). Here is a post that answers that question.



    Someone who was there said Kuchar gave credit to his caddie at the awards speech for helping him read the greens. Kuch made more birdies than anyone in the field. If this is true then definitely he wasn't just carrying the bag and actually provided invaluable local knowledge.



    This debate for many of those who felt Kuchar stiffed the caddie came down to the following:
    1. The accepted pay to caddies based on what is the norm (and no one said pay him 10%) for all caddies carrying a tour players bag
    2. The unwritten code that any caddie involved in money games (playing with one's own chequebook) shares in the profit
    3. Precedents that existed and how replacement caddies were remunerated.


    So again I ask those who defended Kuch so vehemently is there anything at all that could change your mind or give you pause to think?



    And again for anyone who will blindly jump in. Kuchar's version of the agreed pay was

    $1,000 ($500/rd missed cut)

    $2,000 if played all four rounds

    +$1,000 top 20

    +$1,000 top 10





    The extra $1,000 was his generous tip.... And now we see for helping him read the greens?????




    Great post, Kuchar paid per the agreement made.
  • Under2hoursUnder2hours Posts: 1,392 ✭✭
    edited Feb 28, 2019 8:21am #7
    If there still weren't multiple posts from those defending Kuchar that continually misrepresented the facts such as how the $5,000 was arrived at, claiming (at least intimating) that there are no precedents & that El Tucan did very little to assist Kuch, I wouldn't bother.



    The issue is like those who have already posted that few took the time to at least do some rudimentary research of the topic to know the facts.



    Gillis posted first stating $3,000 and Kuch responded "Not $3,000, not $130,000", When we were all pretty much satisfied that the $5,000 was the amount, few knew how it was structured.



    Of course I won't sway the "Deal is a deal" mob.



    And yes I did not want to add to a thread in Heated Topics that may be posted in a day or two.......
  • golfandfishinggolfandfishing Members Posts: 3,395 ✭✭
    I think there is a #metoo trending on twitter for you participate in if this doesn’t get you enough clicks to satisfy your social justice boner.
  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,194 ✭✭
    This topic has become the major news networks. There's nothing new or original anymore just people accusing "the other side" of doing things that they are also doing.



    It was wrong to call us SJW, so we're gonna call you KJW!!!! Because name calling was wrong!



    The first threads were "pro" tucan and put in the cooler, now these ones aren't and are not! Mods are biased!!!!



    I know there's no way to change the OTHER sides mind because they are pig headed and unwilling to listen to reason!!! (Says people arguing their side for 250 pages and 5 cooled threads)



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  • the bishopthe bishop Members Posts: 3,199 ✭✭
    One thing that might help this go the background is if WRX removed it as the #1 trending story on their homepage - still carrying the headline about Kuchar defending the $5K payment (with the update in parentheses at the end).
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  • FergusonFerguson Executive Member VAMembers Posts: 4,449 ✭✭
    Like Bruce Spence and Mel Gibson............they were once partners.



    Now......................they are not partners.





  • rightslicerightslice Posts: 150 ✭✭
    Isn't last time beating a dead horse redundant?
  • justasgoodjustasgood Without Tempo, you are just a hacker. Members Posts: 2,583 ✭✭
    There should be a “ Nunya” forum as in: what Kuchar paid is Nunya business
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