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Ping G400 Max vs. Ping G410 Plus

NorbooNorboo Advanced Members Posts: 2,200 ✭✭
edited February 28 in Equipment
Any real world by average golfer reviews? Is it worth the upgrade? Is 410 longer and more forgiving than the 400?

How is the 410 SFT vs. 400 SFT?
Driver: Ping G400 Max 10.5 Stock Alta (need shaft fitting)
Fairway Wood: Tour Edge EX10 Beta 4 wood GD Tour AD F
Hybrid: Ping G400 3 & 5
Irons: OnOff Kuro 2015 6 - PW
Wedge: Cleveland CBX 50, 58
Putter: Scotty Cameron Fastback 1.5
Ball: TaylorMade TP5

Backup/Benched
Driver: Ping G20
Fairway Wood: TEE EX10 Beta 5 wood, Ping Rapture V2 4 wood
Hybrid: Ping G400 4 hybrid
Putter: Honma CB8055 since 1989 and S.C. Golo 5

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  • gvogelgvogel Advanced Members Posts: 6,997 ✭✭
    Head to head, I have a feeling that the differences are minimal, or even non-existing.



    Now, if you pick one off the rack and happen to get a shaft that works for your move, you might find buried treasure. You never know. A dollar and a dream.
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  • mantanmantan Advanced Members Posts: 2,477 ✭✭
    edited February 28
    I never get this line of thinking. The 400max is so freaking good, I can't imagine turning around a few months later and expecting the next club to be significantly better. PING stuff usually gets incrementally better and occasionally has a good leap. The Max was one of those good leaps.
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  • wutnotwutnot Members Posts: 1
    I am not a good golfer. I carry my driver 200 on a good day. The max feels bulky to me and I lose control of squaring up the head with the stick Alta 55 reg shaft. I hit the 410 plus in neutral setting with the stock Alta reg shaft and it just worked for my swing. I was able to be consistent with striking in the middle and control the head better. And I was able to really go after the swing and load the shaft well. I am not sure on the difference between the shafts but the new one was better for me.
  • RainShadowRainShadow Tucson AZ (for now)Advanced Members Posts: 3,527 ✭✭
    I didn't like the sound or feel of the 400 max, so I went with the reg G400. When I was fit by Ping they let me hit the new 410 and it felt and sounded great. If the G410 plus has the same sound, I'd go with that.
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  • wobgonwobgon Advanced Members Posts: 7,434 ✭✭
    RainShadow wrote:


    I didn't like the sound or feel of the 400 max, so I went with the reg G400. When I was fit by Ping they let me hit the new 410 and it felt and sounded great. If the G410 plus has the same sound, I'd go with that.


    Isn't the 410 and the 410 plus the same thing?
  • GolfTurkeyGolfTurkey Advanced Members Posts: 531 ✭✭
    mantan wrote:


    I never get this line of thinking. The 400max is so freaking good, I can't imagine turning around a few months later and expecting the next club to be significantly better. PING stuff usually gets incrementally better and occasionally has a good leap. The Max was one of those good leaps.




    The advantage of the G410 Plus over the G400Max is adjustability, at the cost of a little forgiveness.



    The Max only comes in 2 lofts (yes you can digitally loft) and the hotel has limited adjustability.



    The 410 comes in more lofts, has more settings on the hotel and you can move the weight into a draw or fade position. This gives you or your fitter far more options to fit the driver correctly to your personal swing tendencies.
  • 3_Putt_Par3_Putt_Par Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion man. Advanced Members Posts: 879
    At a recent demo day, I brought my Max to hit head to head against the 410 Plus. Thankfully they had a Trackman unit so I didn't have to go by ball flight alone.



    For me, I got pretty much the same numbers from both of them, however my dispersion was better with my gamer which I attribute to the shaft, since the only comparable shaft they had was the stock Tour shaft. The 410 did sound better and the additional adjustability is a great addition. If dialed in, the 410 could perhaps give me a few more yards, but not enough for me to fork out the dough for a new driver. That being said, the hybrid and fairway wood are seriously under consideration for spots in the bag this year.
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  • vpexpvpexp Members Posts: 30 ✭✭
    My gamer is a G400 Max. I recently had a fitting at Hot Stix and we found that tha a Kyoshi Black shaft gave me the best results in my Max. Tried lots of other heads and shafts but overall the GMax with the Kyoshi was best. The last thing we did was try the 410 with that shaft. Got a touch better numbers with that combination, not enough to notice on the course though, but more importantly to me the sound, feel and dispersion were better with the 410 for me. I could easily make the case to just change to the Kyoshi Black shaft and stick with the 400 Max head, but I decided to get the 410 plus head as well, just liked hitting it better and felt like I had more control.
  • ORTORT Advanced Members Posts: 104 ✭✭
    vpexp wrote:
    My gamer is a G400 Max. I recently had a fitting at Hot Stix and we found that tha a Kyoshi Black shaft gave me the best results in my Max. Tried lots of other heads and shafts but overall the GMax with the Kyoshi was best. The last thing we did was try the 410 with that shaft. Got a touch better numbers with that combination, not enough to notice on the course though, but more importantly to me the sound, feel and dispersion were better with the 410 for me. I could easily make the case to just change to the Kyoshi Black shaft and stick with the 400 Max head, but I decided to get the 410 plus head as well, just liked hitting it better and felt like I had more control.




    I see you and a couple others mention the sound. How would you compare the sound of the 410 to the 400max? After hitting the max in my garage range for a few balls my ears are ringing. After about 20 I've had enough. Wondering if the 410 is a little more muted.
  • bluerrpilotbluerrpilot Advanced Members Posts: 287
    mantan wrote:


    I never get this line of thinking. The 400max is so freaking good, I can't imagine turning around a few months later and expecting the next club to be significantly better. PING stuff usually gets incrementally better and occasionally has a good leap. The Max was one of those good leaps.




    Because a manufacture is not making money unless they are producing a new product
  • RainShadowRainShadow Tucson AZ (for now)Advanced Members Posts: 3,527 ✭✭
    wobgon wrote:

    RainShadow wrote:


    I didn't like the sound or feel of the 400 max, so I went with the reg G400. When I was fit by Ping they let me hit the new 410 and it felt and sounded great. If the G410 plus has the same sound, I'd go with that.


    Isn't the 410 and the 410 plus the same thing?


    Wasn't aware that was the case. I didn't remember the "plus" part.
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  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Advanced Members Posts: 11,368 ✭✭
    I love my LST but when the new one comes out, if it feels better and I can set if flatter and toe weight then I may spend the dough



    The LST three wood will likely crack my starting lineup
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  • KARL MKARL M Advanced Members Posts: 651 ✭✭
    Eraser hearing protection will reduce the sound level while beating balls in your basement, while still being able to hear music, or someone talking. Their very comfortable to wear.
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  • ORTORT Advanced Members Posts: 104 ✭✭
    KARL M wrote:
    Eraser hearing protection will reduce the sound level while beating balls in your basement, while still being able to hear music, or someone talking. Their very comfortable to wear.




    Do you have a link?
  • Hookasaurus RexHookasaurus Rex Purveyor of fine turf Advanced Members Posts: 1,048 ✭✭
    RainShadow wrote:


    I didn't like the sound or feel of the 400 max, so I went with the reg G400. When I was fit by Ping they let me hit the new 410 and it felt and sounded great. If the G410 plus has the same sound, I'd go with that.




    I felt the same way when I owned the 400 Max. I much preferred the LST...
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  • t4t3rt4t3r Advanced Members Posts: 2,587 ✭✭
    The Max is loud, even on the course for me. Luckily I was able to demo one before putting into play the one I picked up. She went right back. A little hot melt I'm sure would do a lot for the sound but that cut down my weight options quite a bit as the head I had was on the chunky side.



    Looking forward to trying out the 410 at some point.
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  • ORTORT Advanced Members Posts: 104 ✭✭
    t4t3r wrote:
    The Max is loud, even on the course for me.




    I took it to the range one time since I bought it and people were looking at me to see what all the racket was about!
  • Arlin964Arlin964 Members Posts: 60 ✭✭
    I finished a driver fitting at club champion today. My first visit 2 mo the ago they put me into the G400 Max. At the time I didn’t love the feel, but I can’t argue with MOI since my main struggle is consistency in strike location.



    Today I hit both the G400Max and the G410 Plus.



    Dispersion and total distance was very similar between the two, but G410 Plus felt significantly better to me, and the sound was slightly better than 400 Max.



    Add the adjustability of the 410 and I was easily convinced I liked it better. I PLAN to get better with strike location, so as I get better I can change the weight out of the Draw bias.



    Walked out with a new driver 10 business days away for the first time since 2012.



    Fitting information side comment - I game a TaylorMade R1. My fitter said he wouldn’t let someone pay him to try to get me into a TM driver. Said they’re nowhere near as forgiving as the ping drivers.



    As with everything, keep that grain of salt nearby, but I had no reason to distrust the fitter. He knew all kinds of data about me just by watching me swing.
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  • Marco ColoMarco Colo Advanced Members Posts: 408
    What setting shall be used to have it similar to an SFT?
  • dlygrissedlygrisse Advanced Members Posts: 12,942 ✭✭
    Marco Colo wrote:


    What setting shall be used to have it similar to an SFT?




    Start by putting the weight towards the heel, then increase the loft if you want the face a bit more closed.

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  • NorbooNorboo Advanced Members Posts: 2,200 ✭✭
    Marco Colo wrote:


    What setting shall be used to have it similar to an SFT?




    Just on a draw bias.



    Note: G410 SFT is super draw bias vs. G400 SFT. G410 Plus on Draw bias is same as G400 SFT in terms of draw bias.
    Driver: Ping G400 Max 10.5 Stock Alta (need shaft fitting)
    Fairway Wood: Tour Edge EX10 Beta 4 wood GD Tour AD F
    Hybrid: Ping G400 3 & 5
    Irons: OnOff Kuro 2015 6 - PW
    Wedge: Cleveland CBX 50, 58
    Putter: Scotty Cameron Fastback 1.5
    Ball: TaylorMade TP5

    Backup/Benched
    Driver: Ping G20
    Fairway Wood: TEE EX10 Beta 5 wood, Ping Rapture V2 4 wood
    Hybrid: Ping G400 4 hybrid
    Putter: Honma CB8055 since 1989 and S.C. Golo 5

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  • J9293J9293 Advanced Members Posts: 303 ✭✭
    A properly fit G400 Max should beat out a properly fit G410 plus. The max is more forgiving (objectively) and ballspeeds should be the same if you hit both on the sweet spot since the CT and COR have been at their limits already.
    Driver: [font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Ping G400 Max - HZRDUS Yellow Handcrafted 6.0[/font]
    3 Wood:[font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] Ping G400 - Alta CB[/font]
    Hybrid:[font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] Ping G400 - Alta CB[/font]
    Irons: [font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Bridgestone J40 DPC - LZ 6.0[/font]
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  • NorbooNorboo Advanced Members Posts: 2,200 ✭✭
    J9293 wrote:


    A properly fit G400 Max should beat out a properly fit G410 plus. The max is more forgiving (objectively) and ballspeeds should be the same if you hit both on the sweet spot since the CT and COR have been at their limits already.




    Any data to support your theory?
    Driver: Ping G400 Max 10.5 Stock Alta (need shaft fitting)
    Fairway Wood: Tour Edge EX10 Beta 4 wood GD Tour AD F
    Hybrid: Ping G400 3 & 5
    Irons: OnOff Kuro 2015 6 - PW
    Wedge: Cleveland CBX 50, 58
    Putter: Scotty Cameron Fastback 1.5
    Ball: TaylorMade TP5

    Backup/Benched
    Driver: Ping G20
    Fairway Wood: TEE EX10 Beta 5 wood, Ping Rapture V2 4 wood
    Hybrid: Ping G400 4 hybrid
    Putter: Honma CB8055 since 1989 and S.C. Golo 5

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  • sailfishchrissailfishchris Advanced Members Posts: 866 ✭✭
    I thought the G410 was just an improvement on adjustability ...flatter lies and such. It's at 455cc -so just below the 400Max at 460cc. So I would think it's going to be pretty forgiving just based on it's a size Ping has a good track record with previously (G30, G) Full disclosure: I absolutely love my G400 so i won't be upgrading
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  • ORTORT Advanced Members Posts: 104 ✭✭
    All this talk has me thinking about going to the next Ping demo day and doing a comparison between my 400max and 410. I do like the adjustability of the 410.....
  • J13J13 Dad golf Advanced Members Posts: 15,230 ✭✭
    edited March 1
    410 Plus IMO is better in almost every way. Lower spin, better ball speed, and adjustable weights (leads to better fitting). Max is not a bad club by any means but there's a reason everyone on tour switched out of the max so quickly. I say be a **** and upgrade image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
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  • ORTORT Advanced Members Posts: 104 ✭✭
    Is it wrong to upgrade when I haven't even had the 400 out on the course yet??? I think I might have a problem.
  • J13J13 Dad golf Advanced Members Posts: 15,230 ✭✭
    edited March 1
    ORT wrote:


    Is it wrong to upgrade when I haven't even had the 400 out on the course yet??? I think I might have a problem.




    You're an Eagles fan so you get a free pass. image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
    Ping G400 LST 8.5* / Xphlexxx Modena F7 Prototype 7TX
    Nike VR Pro LTD 15* / Aldila RIP 80X
    Srixon 745's 4-PW / Modus Tour 120 TX
    Callaway MD3 50, 54, 60 / Modus 125
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    Srixon Zstar XV


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  • ORTORT Advanced Members Posts: 104 ✭✭
    J13 wrote:
    ORT wrote:


    Is it wrong to upgrade when I haven't even had the 400 out on the course yet??? I think I might have a problem.




    You're an Eagles fan so you get a free pass. image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />




    Hahaha, thanks!
  • Olde MaroonOlde Maroon Playing your old gear Advanced Members Posts: 341 ✭✭
    J13 wrote:


    410 Plus IMO is better in almost every way. Lower spin, better ball speed, and adjustable weights (leads to better fitting). Max is not a bad club by any means but there's a reason everyone on tour switched out of the max so quickly. I say be a **** and upgrade image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />




    I have no basis for arguing one is better than the other, but the reason tour players switch is almost entirely based on what their sponsor agreements require them to do. You can bet every club manufacturer pays a huge premium to get their players in the newest driver ASAP. Using tour players as a reference is seriously flawed.
  • therealjonzonetherealjonzone Advanced Members Posts: 2,258 ✭✭
    cardoustie wrote:


    I love my LST but when the new one comes out, if it feels better and I can set if flatter and toe weight then I may spend the dough



    The LST three wood will likely crack my starting lineup




    I was surprised by how hollow the LST fairway felt. I didn’t like it at all....but....for those that need 500+ less spin....deal closer....I could barely get it about 2800 and 163mph Ball Speed....
  • J9293J9293 Advanced Members Posts: 303 ✭✭
    Norboo wrote:

    J9293 wrote:


    A properly fit G400 Max should beat out a properly fit G410 plus. The max is more forgiving (objectively) and ballspeeds should be the same if you hit both on the sweet spot since the CT and COR have been at their limits already.




    Any data to support your theory?




    The G410 has a lower MOI than the Max and in fact only has 1% more MOI than the normal G400. The Max has a combined MOI of 9900 g/cm2 compared to G400 which is “only” 9000 g/cm2.



    If you get fit for the loft and spin combination that optimizes your driver I don’t see how the 410 is better than the Max. The 410 can’t have a “hotter” face because of the limitations set on club manufacturers.



    The 410 is easier to fit because of the increased adjustability however.
    Driver: [font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Ping G400 Max - HZRDUS Yellow Handcrafted 6.0[/font]
    3 Wood:[font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] Ping G400 - Alta CB[/font]
    Hybrid:[font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] Ping G400 - Alta CB[/font]
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  • wchahnwchahn ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 98 ClubWRX
    I game a G400 Max tried the G410. I never had much luck with the G400 even though the G400 Max has been great for me. The G410 was just like my experience with the G400 so the G400 Max is staying in the bag.
  • SwingManSwingMan SwingMan Advanced Members Posts: 6,800

    cardoustie wrote:


    I love my LST but when the new one comes out, if it feels better and I can set if flatter and toe weight then I may spend the dough



    The LST three wood will likely crack my starting lineup




    I was surprised by how hollow the LST fairway felt. I didn't like it at all....but....for those that need 500+ less spin....deal closer....I could barely get it about 2800 and 163mph Ball Speed....




    Are we certain an LST version is coming out - the 410+ is fairly (very) low spin as compared to the 400.
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  • extrastiffextrastiff Advanced Members Posts: 855 ✭✭
    ORT wrote:

    t4t3r wrote:
    The Max is loud, even on the course for me.




    I took it to the range one time since I bought it and people were looking at me to see what all the racket was about!


    I love this. They look over just in time to see the crappy range ball go 290.
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  • averysdadaverysdad Advanced Members Posts: 1,114 ✭✭
    edited March 2
    SwingMan wrote:

    cardoustie wrote:


    I love my LST but when the new one comes out, if it feels better and I can set if flatter and toe weight then I may spend the dough



    The LST three wood will likely crack my starting lineup




    I was surprised by how hollow the LST fairway felt. I didn't like it at all....but....for those that need 500+ less spin....deal closer....I could barely get it about 2800 and 163mph Ball Speed....




    Are we certain an LST version is coming out - the 410+ is fairly (very) low spin as compared to the 400.




    I feel like I heard Rick S and seems like another YT reviewer say they (Ping) weren’t coming out with a 410 LST or Max this year as they couldn’t improve on the 400 models. Take that as you will...just saying what I heard.
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  • Hateto3PuttHateto3Putt Smoking Makes You Look Cool! Advanced Members Posts: 6,257 ✭✭
    All this talk of sound, shafts, looks and spin confuses and frightens me.....not.



    The only thing I worry about with any club, especially the driver, is on course performance.



    My G400 Max just flat out gets it!



    Long and straight when hit on the screws, long and **** near straight when missed.



    It kicked my Rogue SZ, and Callaway Fusion to the curb in about 3 swings.



    Any replacement would have to be significantly better on the course, regardless of spin numbers, looks, or LOL "sound".



    I used to play a Cobra that really sounded like an aluminum cannon, I'd get looks, but man that thing won me a lot of skins.



    Seriously, I'd rather hear the bong sound of a driver 1,000 times in a garage than ever read the term "gamer" again...
  • wobgonwobgon Advanced Members Posts: 7,434 ✭✭


    All this talk of sound, shafts, looks and spin confuses and frightens me.....not.



    The only thing I worry about with any club, especially the driver, is on course performance.



    My G400 Max just flat out gets it!



    Long and straight when hit on the screws, long and **** near straight when missed.



    It kicked my Rogue SZ, and Callaway Fusion to the curb in about 3 swings.



    Any replacement would have to be significantly better on the course, regardless of spin numbers, looks, or LOL "sound".



    I used to play a Cobra that really sounded like an aluminum cannon, I'd get looks, but man that thing won me a lot of skins.



    Seriously, I'd rather hear the bong sound of a driver 1,000 times in a garage than ever read the term "gamer" again...




    "game" "gamer" "gamed" "gaming" I played softball for a long time.....In all those years, I don't remember one person ever asking me what bat I was "gaming.".....As a matter of fact, in all the years I have spent around golf courses, I don't recall any real person ( non forum guy ) ask me what clubs I was "gaming".
  • chrisgilly09chrisgilly09 Advanced Members Posts: 1,555 ✭✭
    Couldn’t care less about sound, I’d hit a metal trash can on a stick if it went 350 🤷‍♂️



    Using comparable lofts I’m sure the max and 410 plus are very similar but even kicked down -1, my max was way higher lofted than it’s stated 9*, hence a good 4 mph ball speed gain with 410. Took a lot of self control not to order the 3w, it’s impressive also
  • therealjonzonetherealjonzone Advanced Members Posts: 2,258 ✭✭


    Couldn’t care less about sound, I’d hit a metal trash can on a stick if it went 350 🤷‍♂️



    Using comparable lofts I’m sure the max and 410 plus are very similar but even kicked down -1, my max was way higher lofted than it’s stated 9*, hence a good 4 mph ball speed gain with 410. Took a lot of self control not to order the 3w, it’s impressive also




    I couldn’t disagree more about sound, and even more so feel....I didn’t even have the Flash SZ in my final 3 this year, even though it was consistently 2-3mph more average ball speed than anything else.



    G410 is the real deal though, had it ordered and then ended up with the F9 just based on feel and sound even though the G410 was the longest I’ve hit and that was with the Alta S and not an aftermarket shaft.
  • J13J13 Dad golf Advanced Members Posts: 15,230 ✭✭
    edited March 3
    SwingMan wrote:


    cardoustie wrote:


    I love my LST but when the new one comes out, if it feels better and I can set if flatter and toe weight then I may spend the dough



    The LST three wood will likely crack my starting lineup




    I was surprised by how hollow the LST fairway felt. I didn't like it at all....but....for those that need 500+ less spin....deal closer....I could barely get it about 2800 and 163mph Ball Speed....




    Are we certain an LST version is coming out - the 410+ is fairly (very) low spin as compared to the 400.




    G410 Plus has a hard time spinning less than 2700 rpms for me unless i open it all the way up which I don't like due my my miss being a block.. The LST driver will be out in the spring, in fact they had it at the PGA Merch show but didn't show it to many people as they wanted to keep it hush hush.
    Ping G400 LST 8.5* / Xphlexxx Modena F7 Prototype 7TX
    Nike VR Pro LTD 15* / Aldila RIP 80X
    Srixon 745's 4-PW / Modus Tour 120 TX
    Callaway MD3 50, 54, 60 / Modus 125
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  • HeisenHogHeisenHog Members Posts: 4
    edited March 3
    Will there be a G410 Max? I haven’t heard it confirmed one way or the other. Unfortunately I need all the forgiveness I can get so I’m going to wait for now. I know several who bought the G400 and were very upset when the G400 Max was released a few months later...
  • J13J13 Dad golf Advanced Members Posts: 15,230 ✭✭
    HeisenHog wrote:


    Will there be a G410 Max? I haven't heard it confirmed one way or the other. Unfortunately I need all the forgiveness I can get so I'm going to wait for now. I know several who bought the G400 and were very upset when the G400 Max was released a few months later...




    I don't think there's a need for the max
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    Nike VR Pro LTD 15* / Aldila RIP 80X
    Srixon 745's 4-PW / Modus Tour 120 TX
    Callaway MD3 50, 54, 60 / Modus 125
    Odyssey White Hot Versa #6 Tour issue
    Srixon Zstar XV


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  • MattM97MattM97 Advanced Members Posts: 124 ✭✭
    HeisenHog wrote:


    Will there be a G410 Max? I haven't heard it confirmed one way or the other. Unfortunately I need all the forgiveness I can get so I'm going to wait for now. I know several who bought the G400 and were very upset when the G400 Max was released a few months later...




    The G410 Plus is 455cc, no need to release a 460cc driver.
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  • DavidvDavidv Advanced Members Posts: 654 ✭✭
    The fact that Ping has not come out with a replacement for the G400 Max would suggest that for now those gaming the Max are good for now and should not expect any significant gains by switching to the 410.
  • SwingManSwingMan SwingMan Advanced Members Posts: 6,800
    edited March 4


    Couldn't care less about sound, I'd hit a metal trash can on a stick if it went 350 ��‍♂️



    Using comparable lofts I'm sure the max and 410 plus are very similar but even kicked down -1, my max was way higher lofted than it's stated 9*, hence a good 4 mph ball speed gain with 410. Took a lot of self control not to order the 3w, it's impressive also




    From my experience and talking with others, the 410+ is a lower spinning, lower launching head than Max -- I have a Max 9 degree and get great launch. But the 410+ doesn't seem to launch as high or spin as much - I've got to loft up this year, and a knowledgeable fitter said the same about the 410+. My 9 may be going to 10.5 to start the fitting,
    "My swing is so bad, I look like a caveman killing his lunch" - Lee Trevino

    Bag: Ping G400 Max/TPT Golf Series 17 ● Exotics EX10 Beta 4, 5 wd ● PXG 0317 4H/Tensei CK Pro Red 70 ● Mizuno 919F 5-GW/Accra i80 ● Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 56ES, 60SS ●Evnroll ER8
  • Arlin964Arlin964 Members Posts: 60 ✭✭
    SwingMan wrote:



    Couldn't care less about sound, I'd hit a metal trash can on a stick if it went 350 ��&zwj;♂️



    Using comparable lofts I'm sure the max and 410 plus are very similar but even kicked down -1, my max was way higher lofted than it's stated 9*, hence a good 4 mph ball speed gain with 410. Took a lot of self control not to order the 3w, it's impressive also




    From my experience and talking with others, the 410+ is a lower spinning head than Max -- I have a Max 9 degree and get great launch. But the 410+ doesn't seem to launch as high or spin as much - I've got to loft up this year, and a knowledgeable fitter said the same about the 410+.




    I concur. I did a fitting at CC on 12/31/18, at which time they fitted me to the G400Max. I absolutely needed forgiveness, so it made sense. It was 10.5* lofted down a half degree.



    I didn’t buy that day because I wasn’t prepared to spend as much as it costed. Fast forward to having tax money back.



    I went in last week to try a few more heads and we found the 410+ was best for me. Spin numbers came down (I’m super high spin). I was fit into the 9* head with it lofted up to 9.5*. Driver should arrive this week!
    TaylorMade R1 10.5*
    Ping Anser 3w
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    Odyssey #7s O-Works
  • J13J13 Dad golf Advanced Members Posts: 15,230 ✭✭
    edited March 4
    Arlin964 wrote:

    SwingMan wrote:



    Couldn't care less about sound, I'd hit a metal trash can on a stick if it went 350 ��&zwj;♂️



    Using comparable lofts I'm sure the max and 410 plus are very similar but even kicked down -1, my max was way higher lofted than it's stated 9*, hence a good 4 mph ball speed gain with 410. Took a lot of self control not to order the 3w, it's impressive also




    From my experience and talking with others, the 410+ is a lower spinning head than Max -- I have a Max 9 degree and get great launch. But the 410+ doesn't seem to launch as high or spin as much - I've got to loft up this year, and a knowledgeable fitter said the same about the 410+.




    I concur. I did a fitting at CC on 12/31/18, at which time they fitted me to the G400Max. I absolutely needed forgiveness, so it made sense. It was 10.5* lofted down a half degree.



    I didn't buy that day because I wasn't prepared to spend as much as it costed. Fast forward to having tax money back.



    I went in last week to try a few more heads and we found the 410+ was best for me. Spin numbers came down (I'm super high spin). I was fit into the 9* head with it lofted up to 9.5*. Driver should arrive this week!




    Did you try the G400 LST? It's lower spin so it would be much better and cheaper than the 410Plus
    Ping G400 LST 8.5* / Xphlexxx Modena F7 Prototype 7TX
    Nike VR Pro LTD 15* / Aldila RIP 80X
    Srixon 745's 4-PW / Modus Tour 120 TX
    Callaway MD3 50, 54, 60 / Modus 125
    Odyssey White Hot Versa #6 Tour issue
    Srixon Zstar XV


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  • SwingManSwingMan SwingMan Advanced Members Posts: 6,800
    edited March 4
    J13 wrote:

    Arlin964 wrote:

    SwingMan wrote:



    Couldn't care less about sound, I'd hit a metal trash can on a stick if it went 350 ��&zwj;♂️



    Using comparable lofts I'm sure the max and 410 plus are very similar but even kicked down -1, my max was way higher lofted than it's stated 9*, hence a good 4 mph ball speed gain with 410. Took a lot of self control not to order the 3w, it's impressive also




    From my experience and talking with others, the 410+ is a lower spinning head than Max -- I have a Max 9 degree and get great launch. But the 410+ doesn't seem to launch as high or spin as much - I've got to loft up this year, and a knowledgeable fitter said the same about the 410+.




    I concur. I did a fitting at CC on 12/31/18, at which time they fitted me to the G400Max. I absolutely needed forgiveness, so it made sense. It was 10.5* lofted down a half degree.



    I didn't buy that day because I wasn't prepared to spend as much as it costed. Fast forward to having tax money back.



    I went in last week to try a few more heads and we found the 410+ was best for me. Spin numbers came down (I'm super high spin). I was fit into the 9* head with it lofted up to 9.5*. Driver should arrive this week!




    Did you try the G400 LST? It's lower spin so it would be much better and cheaper than the 410Plus




    410+ is a newer driver and Ping has changed the design so you do not know if it is lower spin - The LST is lower spin as to the G400 but the 410 is low. Although I agree that the 400/LST is a great driver, and I'm keeping my G400 head, selling the Max head, must let you know that the 410+ is more akin to the 400 LST in spin/maybe lower, and may be lower launching.



    For me, the LST at 9 degrees was only about 250 rpm lower than the G400, but the G400 was ultimately the better fit because I am not high speed and need spin with my positive AOA.
    "My swing is so bad, I look like a caveman killing his lunch" - Lee Trevino

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  • wobgonwobgon Advanced Members Posts: 7,434 ✭✭
    Arlin964 wrote:

    SwingMan wrote:



    Couldn't care less about sound, I'd hit a metal trash can on a stick if it went 350 ��&zwj;♂️



    Using comparable lofts I'm sure the max and 410 plus are very similar but even kicked down -1, my max was way higher lofted than it's stated 9*, hence a good 4 mph ball speed gain with 410. Took a lot of self control not to order the 3w, it's impressive also




    From my experience and talking with others, the 410+ is a lower spinning head than Max -- I have a Max 9 degree and get great launch. But the 410+ doesn't seem to launch as high or spin as much - I've got to loft up this year, and a knowledgeable fitter said the same about the 410+.




    I concur. I did a fitting at CC on 12/31/18, at which time they fitted me to the G400Max. I absolutely needed forgiveness, so it made sense. It was 10.5* lofted down a half degree.



    I didn't buy that day because I wasn't prepared to spend as much as it costed. Fast forward to having tax money back.



    I went in last week to try a few more heads and we found the 410+ was best for me. Spin numbers came down (I'm super high spin). I was fit into the 9* head with it lofted up to 9.5*. Driver should arrive this week!


    Why didn't you wait and go back again....Who knows what they would have fit you into.
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