USGA PR team to Justin Thomas: "We need to talk"

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  • MI517MI517 Members Posts: 436 ✭✭
    I don’t like the rules, so change the rules.



    I’m 33 and that’s basically the motto of most 20-40 year olds in life now.
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  • LeoLeo99LeoLeo99 Members Posts: 3,928 ✭✭
    MI517 wrote:


    I don’t like the rules, so change the rules.



    I’m 33 and that’s basically the motto of most 20-40 year olds in life now.




    It's good to question everything.
  • tannyhobantannyhoban Posts: 1,806 ✭✭
    MI517 wrote:


    I don't like the rules, so change the rules.



    I'm 33 and that's basically the motto of most 20-40 year olds in life now.




    Sure, applying sweeping generalizations are always a great argument to prove nothing.
  • MI517MI517 Members Posts: 436 ✭✭
    edited Mar 3, 2019 10:02am #35
    LeoLeo99 wrote:

    MI517 wrote:


    I don’t like the rules, so change the rules.



    I’m 33 and that’s basically the motto of most 20-40 year olds in life now.




    It's good to question everything.




    It is and you should. Blind obedience is dangerous.



    My statement may have been too blanket as there is nothing wrong with questioning rules or status quo. Here, I don’t believe the avenue chosen (social media) is smart. It will damage image of both sides and the game. Thomas is big enough that his voice carries weight in private, which is where it should’ve happened in my opinion.
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  • MattyO1984MattyO1984 Members Posts: 4,742 ClubWRX
    Wondering what the reaction would be if it was someone less controversial questioning the USGA.



    After the incident at last years Honda (in which he was quite right to have the fan chucked in my opinion) he has picked up a label of being a whiner. Nothing wrong with standing up for yourself or expressing an opinion. Same old, same old though. Players are too uniform, they are too bland, they don't have an opinion. A player comes along and expresses an opinion then they end up getting ripped online.
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  • LlortamaiseyLlortamaisey Members Posts: 5,875 ✭✭
    Why doesn’t the USGA PR twitter handle have a blue mark? Talk about bad PR.
  • davep043davep043 Members Posts: 3,010 ✭✭
    DLBTide7 wrote:


    b.helts wrote:


    The GIF responses to that are awesome.



    It does make JT look a bit like a ...... ****.




    Well, he is being a bit of a ****.



    But he has company among the players.




    I, for one, am glad JT is being a "****". In this country, we have not seen a level of arrogance displayed by the USGA since King George ruled the colonies.


    To me, JT is being the arrogant one. He's shown no indication that he has read the rules, no indication that he's looked at the reasons for the changes, he simply says that all the changes are bad.
    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Wondering what the reaction would be if it was someone less controversial questioning the USGA.



    After the incident at last years Honda (in which he was quite right to have the fan chucked in my opinion) he has picked up a label of being a whiner. Nothing wrong with standing up for yourself or expressing an opinion. Same old, same old though. Players are too uniform, they are too bland, they don't have an opinion. A player comes along and expresses an opinion then they end up getting ripped online.


    I'd love to hear him explain WHY he hates the specific rules. If he is actually informed about the actual rules and the reasons behind them, he should show that. The problem is, its way too complicated to do in 140 characters. And sadly, the media would prefer to deal with sound bytes and twitter comments than with a substantive discussion. Even more sad, an in-depth discussion would send too many of us scrambling to find our remotes.
  • OldTomMorrisOldTomMorris Members Posts: 2,084 ClubWRX
    edited Mar 3, 2019 10:40am #39
    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Wondering what the reaction would be if it was someone less controversial questioning the USGA.



    After the incident at last years Honda (in which he was quite right to have the fan chucked in my opinion) he has picked up a label of being a whiner. Nothing wrong with standing up for yourself or expressing an opinion. Same old, same old though. Players are too uniform, they are too bland, they don't have an opinion. A player comes along and expresses an opinion then they end up getting ripped online.




    Imagine if Rory was to weigh in with his thoughts, it would be 10 pages of insults.
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  • OldTomMorrisOldTomMorris Members Posts: 2,084 ClubWRX
    edited Mar 3, 2019 10:43am #40
    davep043 wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Wondering what the reaction would be if it was someone less controversial questioning the USGA.



    After the incident at last years Honda (in which he was quite right to have the fan chucked in my opinion) he has picked up a label of being a whiner. Nothing wrong with standing up for yourself or expressing an opinion. Same old, same old though. Players are too uniform, they are too bland, they don't have an opinion. A player comes along and expresses an opinion then they end up getting ripped online.




    I'd love to hear him explain WHY he hates the specific rules. If he is actually informed about the actual rules and the reasons behind them, he should show that. The problem is, its way too complicated to do in 140 characters. And sadly, the media would prefer to deal with sound bytes and twitter comments than with a substantive discussion. Even more sad, an in-depth discussion would send too many of us scrambling to find our remotes.




    I think, like most golfers, he'll be in favour of the concept behind the rule but its the implementation - the rule is badly written as proven by the hasty rewrite which didn't really improve it much. Of course as you note it's difficult to glean from tweets exactly where the problem is but he has been critical of all the PGA Tour/ET violations of this rule.
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  • nsxguynsxguy Just anudder user FloridaMembers Posts: 5,299 ✭✭


    Even the R&A appears to side with the players, as chief executive Martin Slumbers remarked on Tuesday, "I think it's fair to say that it hasn't gone as smoothly as I would have liked," just days after USGA CEO Mike Davis said at a conference, "From my perspective, I would say by and large they've been a huge success."




    One might say those could simply be "cultural" differences.



    Relatively speaking, Americans tend to be more effusive/"enthusiastic" than their British counterparts - who have a penchant for being a bit more reserved.

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  • bscinstnctbscinstnct Members Posts: 26,092 ✭✭
    iBanesto wrote:


    After watching all the Narcos series episodes, this will end only one way. JT is gone.



    You can't go up against an organisation like the USGA.




    JT gotta put La Quica on the bag ; )
  • tannyhobantannyhoban Posts: 1,806 ✭✭
    BMC wrote:


    The USGA does not work for the Pro tours. Their focus is more on the amateur game. The Pro Tours are independent, money grabbing businesses whose innovation is putting cars on tee boxes and beer gardens. The Tours could and should make their own rules if they don't like them.




    The USGA has more $$$ behind it than the tours by a wide margin, so please spare the amateur angle.

    At this point it has become a donor class organization intent on self importance fueled by more money.

    The average amateur gives two whits what they do or say, because they do not play in competition nor belong to the organization.

    What the average amateur does do is pay greens fees that keep courses open for everyone.

    Golf can be played fairly and easily with about simple rules.
  • BlackDiamondPar5BlackDiamondPar5 Members Posts: 5,095 ✭✭
    edited Mar 3, 2019 10:51am #44
    kevcarter wrote:



    Even the R&A appears to side with the players, as chief executive Martin Slumbers remarked on Tuesday, "I think it's fair to say that it hasn't gone as smoothly as I would have liked," just days after USGA CEO Mike Davis said at a conference, "From my perspective, I would say by and large they've been a huge success."




    LOL



    You may have accidentally left an important piece of the article:


    “The Rules of Golf committee at the R&A has done a lot of heavy lifting, but we’ve done it all with the tours from Day 1,” Slumbers pointed out. “And the tours sit on our Rules of Golf committee and have been involved. I think that’s important to remember. This is not just us in isolation. We do this in collaboration right across the game. But, yes, it is a lot of change. So we will continue to work closely with the tours and with the players. I remain completely committed to believing this is the right thing for the game. We will work through any further issues.





    The excerpt was meant to illustrate the contrast in the differing opinions from the usga vs a more pragmatic comment from the RandA. The players whining about the drop method is just whining.
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    davep043 wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Wondering what the reaction would be if it was someone less controversial questioning the USGA.



    After the incident at last years Honda (in which he was quite right to have the fan chucked in my opinion) he has picked up a label of being a whiner. Nothing wrong with standing up for yourself or expressing an opinion. Same old, same old though. Players are too uniform, they are too bland, they don't have an opinion. A player comes along and expresses an opinion then they end up getting ripped online.




    I'd love to hear him explain WHY he hates the specific rules. If he is actually informed about the actual rules and the reasons behind them, he should show that. The problem is, its way too complicated to do in 140 characters. And sadly, the media would prefer to deal with sound bytes and twitter comments than with a substantive discussion. Even more sad, an in-depth discussion would send too many of us scrambling to find our remotes.




    I think, like most golfers, he'll be in favour of the concept behind the rule but its the implementation - the rule is badly written as proven by the hasty rewrite which didn't really improve it much. Of course as you note it's difficult to glean from tweets exactly where the problem is but he has been critical of all the PGA Tour/ET violations of this rule.




    More irony.



    The entire thread is about JT's tweet about the (apparent) lack of "communication". image/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />



    Nobody here, and not even JT in his tweet, has complained about a specific Rule, never mind about a Rule that has been re-written, which, to my knowledge hasn't happened to this point,,,,,,,,, except you, just now. image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

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  • davep043davep043 Members Posts: 3,010 ✭✭

    davep043 wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Wondering what the reaction would be if it was someone less controversial questioning the USGA.



    After the incident at last years Honda (in which he was quite right to have the fan chucked in my opinion) he has picked up a label of being a whiner. Nothing wrong with standing up for yourself or expressing an opinion. Same old, same old though. Players are too uniform, they are too bland, they don't have an opinion. A player comes along and expresses an opinion then they end up getting ripped online.




    I'd love to hear him explain WHY he hates the specific rules. If he is actually informed about the actual rules and the reasons behind them, he should show that. The problem is, its way too complicated to do in 140 characters. And sadly, the media would prefer to deal with sound bytes and twitter comments than with a substantive discussion. Even more sad, an in-depth discussion would send too many of us scrambling to find our remotes.




    I think, like most golfers, he'll be in favour of the concept behind the rule but its the implementation - the rule is badly written as proven by the hasty rewrite which didn't really improve it much. Of course as you note it's difficult to glean from tweets exactly where the problem is but he has been critical of all the PGA Tour/ET violations of this rule.


    Its not just one or two rules he's complaining about, JT is on record earlier in the week as saying
    [background=rgb(254, 254, 254)]“Pretty much all of them seemed like they didn’t better the game, to me,” Thomas said.[/background]
  • turtlekcturtlekc 1995 MN PGA WisconsinClubWRX Posts: 12,779 ClubWRX

    kevcarter wrote:



    Even the R&A appears to side with the players, as chief executive Martin Slumbers remarked on Tuesday, "I think it's fair to say that it hasn't gone as smoothly as I would have liked," just days after USGA CEO Mike Davis said at a conference, "From my perspective, I would say by and large they've been a huge success."




    LOL



    You may have accidentally left an important piece of the article:


    "The Rules of Golf committee at the R&A has done a lot of heavy lifting, but we've done it all with the tours from Day 1," Slumbers pointed out. "And the tours sit on our Rules of Golf committee and have been involved. I think that's important to remember. This is not just us in isolation. We do this in collaboration right across the game. But, yes, it is a lot of change. So we will continue to work closely with the tours and with the players. I remain completely committed to believing this is the right thing for the game. We will work through any further issues."





    The excerpt was meant to illustrate the contrast in the differing opinions from the usga vs a more pragmatic comment from the RandA. The players whining about the drop method is just whining.




    Got it, correct answer to a different question. Optimism vs. realism. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> I appreciate the clarification. Enjoy the tournament today, hopefully no issues besides great golf.



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  • OldTomMorrisOldTomMorris Members Posts: 2,084 ClubWRX
    edited Mar 3, 2019 11:16am #48
    nsxguy wrote:


    davep043 wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Wondering what the reaction would be if it was someone less controversial questioning the USGA.



    After the incident at last years Honda (in which he was quite right to have the fan chucked in my opinion) he has picked up a label of being a whiner. Nothing wrong with standing up for yourself or expressing an opinion. Same old, same old though. Players are too uniform, they are too bland, they don't have an opinion. A player comes along and expresses an opinion then they end up getting ripped online.




    I'd love to hear him explain WHY he hates the specific rules. If he is actually informed about the actual rules and the reasons behind them, he should show that. The problem is, its way too complicated to do in 140 characters. And sadly, the media would prefer to deal with sound bytes and twitter comments than with a substantive discussion. Even more sad, an in-depth discussion would send too many of us scrambling to find our remotes.




    I think, like most golfers, he'll be in favour of the concept behind the rule but its the implementation - the rule is badly written as proven by the hasty rewrite which didn't really improve it much. Of course as you note it's difficult to glean from tweets exactly where the problem is but he has been critical of all the PGA Tour/ET violations of this rule.




    More irony.



    The entire thread is about JT's tweet about the (apparent) lack of "communication". image/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />



    Nobody here, and not even JT in his tweet, has complained about a specific Rule, never mind about a Rule that has been re-written, which, to my knowledge hasn't happened to this point,,,,,,,,, except you, just now. image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />




    As I noted he tweeted on all instances of "caddy lining up" violation involving Haotong Li, McCarthy and Schenk.



    The USGA called it a clarification but it was rewritten, the new rule came into effect immediately.



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    edited Mar 3, 2019 11:13am #49
    davep043 wrote:


    davep043 wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Wondering what the reaction would be if it was someone less controversial questioning the USGA.



    After the incident at last years Honda (in which he was quite right to have the fan chucked in my opinion) he has picked up a label of being a whiner. Nothing wrong with standing up for yourself or expressing an opinion. Same old, same old though. Players are too uniform, they are too bland, they don't have an opinion. A player comes along and expresses an opinion then they end up getting ripped online.




    I'd love to hear him explain WHY he hates the specific rules. If he is actually informed about the actual rules and the reasons behind them, he should show that. The problem is, its way too complicated to do in 140 characters. And sadly, the media would prefer to deal with sound bytes and twitter comments than with a substantive discussion. Even more sad, an in-depth discussion would send too many of us scrambling to find our remotes.




    I think, like most golfers, he'll be in favour of the concept behind the rule but its the implementation - the rule is badly written as proven by the hasty rewrite which didn't really improve it much. Of course as you note it's difficult to glean from tweets exactly where the problem is but he has been critical of all the PGA Tour/ET violations of this rule.


    Its not just one or two rules he's complaining about, JT is on record earlier in the week as saying
    [background=rgb(254, 254, 254)]“Pretty much all of them seemed like they didn’t better the game, to me,” Thomas said.[/background]





    I'm talking about the tweet about Schenk. He also tweeted about Haotong Li and McCarthy in Phoenix.



    I don't get/agree with his sweeping quote about all the rules and I hadn't noticed that previously. I definitely see the value in a lot of these rules.
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  • davep043davep043 Members Posts: 3,010 ✭✭

    nsxguy wrote:


    davep043 wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Wondering what the reaction would be if it was someone less controversial questioning the USGA.



    After the incident at last years Honda (in which he was quite right to have the fan chucked in my opinion) he has picked up a label of being a whiner. Nothing wrong with standing up for yourself or expressing an opinion. Same old, same old though. Players are too uniform, they are too bland, they don't have an opinion. A player comes along and expresses an opinion then they end up getting ripped online.




    I'd love to hear him explain WHY he hates the specific rules. If he is actually informed about the actual rules and the reasons behind them, he should show that. The problem is, its way too complicated to do in 140 characters. And sadly, the media would prefer to deal with sound bytes and twitter comments than with a substantive discussion. Even more sad, an in-depth discussion would send too many of us scrambling to find our remotes.




    I think, like most golfers, he'll be in favour of the concept behind the rule but its the implementation - the rule is badly written as proven by the hasty rewrite which didn't really improve it much. Of course as you note it's difficult to glean from tweets exactly where the problem is but he has been critical of all the PGA Tour/ET violations of this rule.




    More irony.



    The entire thread is about JT's tweet about the (apparent) lack of "communication". image/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />



    Nobody here, and not even JT in his tweet, has complained about a specific Rule, never mind about a Rule that has been re-written, which, to my knowledge hasn't happened to this point,,,,,,,,, except you, just now. image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />




    As I noted he tweeted on all instances of "caddy lining up" violation involving Haotong Li, McCarthy and Schenk.



    The USGA called it as clarification but it was rewritten, the new rule can into effect immediately.



    https://eu.usatoday....ayers/39017977/


    True, I think the Ruling Bodies (the R&A is involved too) acted pretty quickly to make a reasonable clarification. The clarification also gave the players an "out" that they didn't have before, made the rule more lenient. Yet JT continued to complain about the rule. Honestly, I'd like to hear what he thinks of Cameron Tringale right now.
  • nsxguynsxguy Just anudder user FloridaMembers Posts: 5,299 ✭✭

    nsxguy wrote:


    davep043 wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Wondering what the reaction would be if it was someone less controversial questioning the USGA.



    After the incident at last years Honda (in which he was quite right to have the fan chucked in my opinion) he has picked up a label of being a whiner. Nothing wrong with standing up for yourself or expressing an opinion. Same old, same old though. Players are too uniform, they are too bland, they don't have an opinion. A player comes along and expresses an opinion then they end up getting ripped online.




    I'd love to hear him explain WHY he hates the specific rules. If he is actually informed about the actual rules and the reasons behind them, he should show that. The problem is, its way too complicated to do in 140 characters. And sadly, the media would prefer to deal with sound bytes and twitter comments than with a substantive discussion. Even more sad, an in-depth discussion would send too many of us scrambling to find our remotes.




    I think, like most golfers, he'll be in favour of the concept behind the rule but its the implementation - the rule is badly written as proven by the hasty rewrite which didn't really improve it much. Of course as you note it's difficult to glean from tweets exactly where the problem is but he has been critical of all the PGA Tour/ET violations of this rule.




    More irony.



    The entire thread is about JT's tweet about the (apparent) lack of "communication". image/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />



    Nobody here, and not even JT in his tweet, has complained about a specific Rule, never mind about a Rule that has been re-written, which, to my knowledge hasn't happened to this point,,,,,,,,, except you, just now. image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />




    As I noted he tweeted on all instances of "caddy lining up" violation involving Haotong Li, McCarthy and Schenk.



    The USGA called it a clarification but it was rewritten, the new rule came into effect immediately.



    https://eu.usatoday....ayers/39017977/




    More irony.



    The entire thread is about the "communication" (or the lack thereof) tweet by JT.



    You noted "he tweeted on all instances of "caddy lining up" violation involving Haotong Li, McCarthy and Schenk" ??? I must have missed that. Which post was that in ?



    The USGA AND the R&A jointly called it a clarification. You're calling it a new Rule. So which is it ?



    According to the link you posted, a newspaper article apparently quoting the AP from Feb 6th; more than 3 weeks ago and was already properly(?) discussed here.



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  • OldTomMorrisOldTomMorris Members Posts: 2,084 ClubWRX
    nsxguy wrote:


    More irony.



    The entire thread is about the "communication" (or the lack thereof) tweet by JT.



    You noted "he tweeted on all instances of "caddy lining up" violation involving Haotong Li, McCarthy and Schenk" ??? I must have missed that. Which post was that in ?



    The USGA AND the R&A jointly called it a clarification. You're calling it a new Rule. So which is it ?



    According to the link you posted, a newspaper article apparently quoting the AP from Feb 6th; more than 3 weeks ago and was already properly(?) discussed here.



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    It's all connected to communication, the rule was communicated poorly in the way it was written. It came to a head after JT tweeting about Schenk.



    The final sentence of the article calls it a new rule, pedant.



    I find the hubris in these posts ironic.
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  • nsxguynsxguy Just anudder user FloridaMembers Posts: 5,299 ✭✭
    edited Mar 3, 2019 8:59pm #53

    nsxguy wrote:


    More irony.



    The entire thread is about the "communication" (or the lack thereof) tweet by JT.



    You noted "he tweeted on all instances of "caddy lining up" violation involving Haotong Li, McCarthy and Schenk" ??? I must have missed that. Which post was that in ?



    The USGA AND the R&A jointly called it a clarification. You're calling it a new Rule. So which is it ?



    According to the link you posted, a newspaper article apparently quoting the AP from Feb 6th; more than 3 weeks ago and was already properly(?) discussed here.



    Always a pleasure. image/hi.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':hi:' />




    It's all connected to communication, the rule was communicated poorly in the way it was written. It came to a head after JT tweeting about Schenk.



    The final sentence of the article calls it a new rule, pedant.



    I find the hubris in these posts ironic.




    OK, so that's a "no" then. There was NO discussion of that particular rule by you nor anyone else here.



    Thanks for the confirmation,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and your wonderful "communication" (there's that complicated word again image/yes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':yes:' /> ) about same. image/hi.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':hi:' />
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  • ClintDaggerClintDagger Posts: 566 ✭✭
    If it’s true that the USGA has set up multiple meetings to hear & address JT’s concerns and he’s continually canceling them, only to publicly blame the USGA of not communicating with current players, then I think throwing him under the bus is totally appropriate.
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 24,990 ✭✭
    chris975d wrote:




    If that is really the USGAs words it’s disappointing.



    That’s hardly the way to handle it. That rivals some of the strong arm tactics we see be leaders today. Rather than address the issue or admit any shortcoming ... they take to public shaming or whatever you want to call this. Knowing that Thomas can’t really speak freely coming back .



    The correct approach would be to reach out to him privately and try to put it to bed. If speaking publicly it should be to discuss why folks are griping. Not to try to bully someone into not complaining. It doesn’t matter which side is correct. Name calling ( or passive aggressive nonsense ) never solves anything.
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  • turtlekcturtlekc 1995 MN PGA WisconsinClubWRX Posts: 12,779 ClubWRX




    If that is really the USGAs words it's disappointing.



    That's hardly the way to handle it. That rivals some of the strong arm tactics we see be leaders today. Rather than address the issue or admit any shortcoming ... they take to public shaming or whatever you want to call this. Knowing that Thomas can't really speak freely coming back .



    The correct approach would be to reach out to him privately and try to put it to bed. If speaking publicly it should be to discuss why folks are griping. Not to try to bully someone into not complaining. It doesn't matter which side is correct. Name calling ( or passive aggressive nonsense ) never solves anything.




    Well, the other kids started it! image/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /> image/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />



    Agree with your last sentence 100% It has to apply to both sides. I get the feeling someone from the USGA just feels they have taken enough abuse, and fought back. Hopefully they will take it private as you suggest.



    Should be a great event today, enjoy the golf. On a personal note, I'm pissed, my cable is out. Hopefully they get it fixed in time! Of utmost importance, I want to see if the kids find a way to make the new drop procedure look cool! image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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  • CyFan CyFan If I could putt, I could play this game... Members Posts: 623 ✭✭
    A USGA PR social media account...somehow that strikes me as ironic.
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  • davep043davep043 Members Posts: 3,010 ✭✭

    chris975d wrote:

    Hard to have an opinion until I know if that's a real USga account or not.




    Being reported in Golf Digest.



    https://www.golfdige...gram_publishing




    If that is really the USGAs words it's disappointing.



    That's hardly the way to handle it. That rivals some of the strong arm tactics we see be leaders today. Rather than address the issue or admit any shortcoming ... they take to public shaming or whatever you want to call this. Knowing that Thomas can't really speak freely coming back .



    The correct approach would be to reach out to him privately and try to put it to bed. If speaking publicly it should be to discuss why folks are griping. Not to try to bully someone into not complaining. It doesn't matter which side is correct. Name calling ( or passive aggressive nonsense ) never solves anything.


    I think that JT specifically complained in public about lack of communication from the USGA. The USGA responded in public to that specific complaint. In private, JT has apparently chosen not to communicate, no reason to expect him to start on his own.
  • nsxguynsxguy Just anudder user FloridaMembers Posts: 5,299 ✭✭

    chris975d wrote:

    Hard to have an opinion until I know if that's a real USga account or not.




    Being reported in Golf Digest.



    https://www.golfdige...gram_publishing


    That's hardly the way to handle it. That rivals some of the strong arm tactics we see be leaders today. Rather than address the issue or admit any shortcoming ... they take to public shaming or whatever you want to call this. Knowing that Thomas can't really speak freely coming back .




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    Now I don't care who you are, that's just good comedy !!! image/good.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':good:' />



    "Public shaming" ? Who publicly shamed who first ? And for an entirely bogus reason ? image/secret.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':secret:' />

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  • North TexasNorth Texas Members Posts: 4,003 ✭✭
    kevcarter wrote:



    If that is really the USGAs words it's disappointing.



    That's hardly the way to handle it. That rivals some of the strong arm tactics we see be leaders today. Rather than address the issue or admit any shortcoming ... they take to public shaming or whatever you want to call this. Knowing that Thomas can't really speak freely coming back .



    The correct approach would be to reach out to him privately and try to put it to bed. If speaking publicly it should be to discuss why folks are griping. Not to try to bully someone into not complaining. It doesn't matter which side is correct. Name calling ( or passive aggressive nonsense ) never solves anything.




    Well, the other kids started it! image/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /> image/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />



    Agree with your last sentence 100% It has to apply to both sides. I get the feeling someone from the USGA just feels they have taken enough abuse, and fought back. Hopefully they will take it private as you suggest.



    Should be a great event today, enjoy the golf. On a personal note, I'm pissed, my cable is out. Hopefully they get it fixed in time! Of utmost importance, I want to see if the kids find a way to make the new drop procedure look cool! image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    If the "kids" want to find a way to make the new drop procedure look cool, then they need to find a replay of this week's LPGA event. They would see numerous drops without ANY childish theatrics. The girls made it look so simple and easy that you hardly even noticed it. None of them made a production out of it. It literally took them 2-3 seconds max to make a drop.



    The guys on the PGA Tour should be totally embarrassed. I would say that I'm embarrassed for them. But I'm not because I'm literally laughing at them for making asses and fools out of themselves and not even realizing it.
  • bscinstnctbscinstnct Members Posts: 26,092 ✭✭
    USGA, "Justin, we need to talk"



    Justin like,



    We just did you old bags ; )
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