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I stopped at the local golf shop yesterday and was fit for a new TS3 (9.5*, C2, EvenFlow White) and we used the ProV1X ball. My average launch was in the 13-14* range with 2200-2500 spin. We also tried the AVX and the spin was cut in half. Can anyone give me an idea of what I might expect numbers-wise if a ProV1 was used? I'm not a big fan of the way the X feels off the putter and actually play the Chrome Soft. Maybe the Chrome Soft X would be a good compromise.

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ProV1x = firmest, highest launch, most spin

 

ProV1 = medium, mid launch, mid spin

 

AVX = softest, low launch, low spin

 

As far as what you would see with the swap to ProV1 (from the X)...

 

My trackman session with all three is listed below (TS3 10.5 Hzrdus Smoke and 117ss)

 

ProV1x - 13*, 2800 way too firm

ProV1 - 12.4*, 2650 felt decent

AVX - 11.2*, 2100 felt great

 

Got the best total out of the AVX, but carry was close on all 3.

 

Of note, the AVX was easiest to hit straight. I drive the ball very well, but with the AVX The dispersion was about 25% better.

 

I also overspin my mid/short irons, and found the AVX to improve my game into the green significantly.

 

The only thing I sacrifice is a touch of bite around the greens, but for now I’m using SM3 vokey in my lob wedge and that thing has crazy spin (hey... as an amateur it’s still legal for now).

 

If I switched to a ProV1, it would certainly be the standard model.

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The regular Pro V1 should be somewhere in between the AVX and the Pro V1x.

 

I'm with those guys that are suggesting you stick with the AVX, sounds like it is a great fit. I liked it when I tried it but it just didn't have the flight that I was looking for.

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I think people are reading my numbers as the OP.

 

I am sticking with the AVX, the OP said the AVX spin was 1/2 of the V1x, making it like 1100-1300 off the driver. While that is a bit hard to believe (I mean wow on being low spin), it would be way too little spin.

 

The OP may find a great fit with the ProV1, but I would suggest he hit them all on the course before making a decision.

 

To note, my trackman numbers posted were with the 2017 V1 line, and the 2018 AVX. I have not hit the 2019 ProV1/V1x so far.

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Callaway Rogue LS - 15* - Tour ADXC 7x

Callaway Apex UW - 19* - Ventus Black 7x

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Vokey SM9 - 52.12F, 56.14F - KBS Tour 120 Wedge

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This talk also has me thinking about performance of the Chrome Soft (ball of choice) and Chrome Soft X.

Titleist TSR3 9.0 w/ HZRDUS Blue 6.5
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Titleist TSR2 18* hybrid w/ HZRDUS Black 6.5
Titleist T200 4 iron w/ HZRDUS Black 6.5
Titleist 5-P T150 w/ DG120 X100
Titleist Vokey SM8 50F bent to 48

Titleist Vokey SM9 54D, 60S
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I stopped at the local golf shop yesterday and was fit for a new TS3 (9.5*, C2, EvenFlow White) and we used the ProV1X ball. My average launch was in the 13-14* range with 2200-2500 spin. We also tried the AVX and the spin was cut in half. Can anyone give me an idea of what I might expect numbers-wise if a ProV1 was used? I'm not a big fan of the way the X feels off the putter and actually play the Chrome Soft. Maybe the Chrome Soft X would be a good compromise.

 

Your numbers with the Pro V1x are great! The Pro V1 should spin very close to the X but may launch a touch lower.

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What do the numbers look like with a driver swing speed of 95 - 100? I stayed with the X in 2017 because I didn't notice much difference with the distance between my driver or irons but I liked chipping and putting with the firmer ball. The regular V1 also spun way to much with my wedges. I keep hearing this version is different and I need to look hard at the AVX and the regular V1. The distance at 95 - 100 driver swing speed will make a difference and putting and chipping with these new ones is not as different. Any insights or experience from anyone?

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The avx is a distance ball with a urethrane cover. My son has used avx exclusively the last year and is switching to pro v1. The avx will go further off the tee. Lower launch and will roll out. Big you will lose around the green. The urethane cover helps but this ball will not respond near as well as the v1 or the v1x on approach shots and around the green

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ProV1x = firmest, highest launch, most spin

 

ProV1 = medium, mid launch, mid spin

 

AVX = softest, low launch, low spin

 

As far as what you would see with the swap to ProV1 (from the X)...

 

My trackman session with all three is listed below (TS3 10.5 Hzrdus Smoke and 117ss)

 

ProV1x - 13*, 2800 way too firm

ProV1 - 12.4*, 2650 felt decent

AVX - 11.2*, 2100 felt great

 

Got the best total out of the AVX, but carry was close on all 3.

 

Of note, the AVX was easiest to hit straight. I drive the ball very well, but with the AVX The dispersion was about 25% better.

 

I also overspin my mid/short irons, and found the AVX to improve my game into the green significantly.

 

The only thing I sacrifice is a touch of bite around the greens, but for now I’m using SM3 vokey in my lob wedge and that thing has crazy spin (hey... as an amateur it’s still legal for now).

 

If I switched to a ProV1, it would certainly be the standard model.

 

I've been golfing my whole life and always thought the softer the ball = more spin... ?

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The two ProV models spin almost identical off the driver. In fact most pro level balls spin the same off the driver so I would not use that as a factor. Off the irons the V1x spins the most, V1, middle, and AVX the least. The AVX can produce some nasty knuckle balls that ether fall out of the sky when hit from the rough or go way too far when nutted from a tight lie.

 

Do agree that the V1 is the better between these two when you consider launch and iron spin. It is the best compromise

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Ironically, no, soft doesn’t = spinny.

Soft COVER = spinny.

 

In fact, with modern multilayer balls, the thin/soft cover with a firmer layer underneath is actually the recipe for max spin. Hence the V1x having more spin than the V1.

 

You want the cover to grip the grooves and allow speed, loft, and friction to generate spin without the layer directly under it deforming as well.

 

Hope that makes sense.

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Callaway Rogue LS - 15* - Tour ADXC 7x

Callaway Apex UW - 19* - Ventus Black 7x

PXG 0311P Gen6 - 5i-GW - DG x100

Vokey SM9 - 52.12F, 56.14F - KBS Tour 120 Wedge

Vokey SM9 - 60.08M - KBS Hi-Rev 2.0

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Callaway Chrome Soft TruTrack (Winter)
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Vessel VLS DXR - Grey/Orange (Walking/half-bag)
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