10 finger grip

T.B.T.B. Members Posts: 158 ✭✭
I’m messing with the idea of going to a 10 finger grip. I’ve practiced hitting some wedges and short irons with true flight balls. Decent results, going to range tomorrow and going to hit all clubs using a 10 finger grip. I feel it lets me take the club back in a better plane. I feel I release the club naturally better. I’ve also used 10 finger grip swinging speed sticks. What’s everyone’s thoughts on it?

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  • Coy MCoy M OG Baby Members Posts: 1,148 ✭✭
    Buddy of mine couldn't hit the side of a barn with a golf ball 10' away. He then switched to 10 finger grip and showed instant improvement. Go for it.
  • T.B.T.B. Members Posts: 158 ✭✭
    Thanks. I’m definitely going to give it a shot. Who knows maybe it’ll work.
  • kejoal11kejoal11 IYAOYAS!!! Yokosuka, JapanMembers Posts: 1,118 ✭✭
    edited Mar 6, 2019 11:12pm #4
    I use the 10 finger grip with the thumb of my left hand extended down the grip. I have better control and feel like i dont have to squeeze the club as hard. Have tried using other grips and do not hit the ball as well.
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  • CwebbCwebb Members Posts: 5,865 ✭✭
    I use it and have preferred it for a long time. Much easier for me and others to get the grip positioned comfortably exactly where we want it, in our fingers.



    Scott Piercy uses it on tour. It's a viable way to grip a club, but for whatever reason doesn't get enough attention from most
  • T.B.T.B. Members Posts: 158 ✭✭
    Thanks for the feedback. Here’s another question. I use standard size grips. Hands are normal to small. Wear a med/large glove. Should I build up the right hand on grips?
  • CwebbCwebb Members Posts: 5,865 ✭✭
    T.B. wrote:


    Thanks for the feedback. Here's another question. I use standard size grips. Hands are normal to small. Wear a med/large glove. Should I build up the right hand on grips?




    Depends on where you place the grip in your fingers.....and what you prefer to feel. Gotta experiment. Best way is to start using an air compressor, so you don't have to use sticky tape to hold the grips on. Then you can quickly go on and off with them, testing different sizes and tape build-up.



    I personally use a Lamkin Crossline "undersize" with the bottom half built up to about "standard". This allows the last three fingers of my top hand to wrap further around the grip....and enough size for my bottom fingers to position where I want them
  • BrandonDunesBrandonDunes Members Posts: 334 ✭✭
    I use it on all my shots, I started out with an overlocking grip, can't go back. It doesn't feel like I have as much control of the face without a 10 finger grip
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  • T.B.T.B. Members Posts: 158 ✭✭
    Cwebb wrote:

    T.B. wrote:


    Thanks for the feedback. Here's another question. I use standard size grips. Hands are normal to small. Wear a med/large glove. Should I build up the right hand on grips?




    Depends on where you place the grip in your fingers.....and what you prefer to feel. Gotta experiment. Best way is to start using an air compressor, so you don't have to use sticky tape to hold the grips on. Then you can quickly go on and off with them, testing different sizes and tape build-up.



    I personally use a Lamkin Crossline "undersize" with the bottom half built up to about "standard". This allows the last three fingers of my top hand to wrap further around the grip....and enough size for my bottom fingers to position where I want them




    Great info thanks very much.
  • T.B.T.B. Members Posts: 158 ✭✭


    I use it on all my shots, I started out with an overlocking grip, can't go back. It doesn't feel like I have as much control of the face without a 10 finger grip


    That’s what I’m hoping to feel is a little more in control. Thanks
  • CwebbCwebb Members Posts: 5,865 ✭✭
    T.B. wrote:

    Cwebb wrote:

    T.B. wrote:


    Thanks for the feedback. Here's another question. I use standard size grips. Hands are normal to small. Wear a med/large glove. Should I build up the right hand on grips?




    Depends on where you place the grip in your fingers.....and what you prefer to feel. Gotta experiment. Best way is to start using an air compressor, so you don't have to use sticky tape to hold the grips on. Then you can quickly go on and off with them, testing different sizes and tape build-up.



    I personally use a Lamkin Crossline "undersize" with the bottom half built up to about "standard". This allows the last three fingers of my top hand to wrap further around the grip....and enough size for my bottom fingers to position where I want them




    Great info thanks very much.




    One of the all time great teachers, Harvey Penick, talks about the 10 finger grip in one of his books. Back in the day, they also called it a "full fingered grip". Here's a link to it online....

    https://books.google.com/books?id=NySgl4F6_GwC&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=jimmy+full+finger+grip&source=bl&ots=75Zo_A39VD&sig=ykbOTb8SYtHGpG4GMRm8V0x3svA&hl=en&ei=RohZTOmQEpOksQPy4rnqDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result#v=onepage&q=jimmy full finger grip&f=false
  • T.B.T.B. Members Posts: 158 ✭✭
    Cwebb wrote:

    T.B. wrote:

    Cwebb wrote:

    T.B. wrote:


    Thanks for the feedback. Here's another question. I use standard size grips. Hands are normal to small. Wear a med/large glove. Should I build up the right hand on grips?


    Thank you. Look forward to reading it



    Depends on where you place the grip in your fingers.....and what you prefer to feel. Gotta experiment. Best way is to start using an air compressor, so you don't have to use sticky tape to hold the grips on. Then you can quickly go on and off with them, testing different sizes and tape build-up.



    I personally use a Lamkin Crossline "undersize" with the bottom half built up to about "standard". This allows the last three fingers of my top hand to wrap further around the grip....and enough size for my bottom fingers to position where I want them




    Great info thanks very much.




    One of the all time great teachers, Harvey Penick, talks about the 10 finger grip in one of his books. Back in the day, they also called it a "full fingered grip". Here's a link to it online....

    https://books.google.com/books?id=NySgl4F6_GwC&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=jimmy+full+finger+grip&source=bl&ots=75Zo_A39VD&sig=ykbOTb8SYtHGpG4GMRm8V0x3svA&hl=en&ei=RohZTOmQEpOksQPy4rnqDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result#v=onepage&q=jimmy full finger grip&f=false
  • aliikanealiikane Members Posts: 1,603 ✭✭
    For me, it is hard to use the 10-finger grip. I can hit the ball decently but it always feels like I have a hard time releasing the club well, so it is difficult to hit draws. Since I can't release the club as well a hold off fade is the only consistent shot I have with it. I have been a mad scientist testing grips mainly with putting but a few variations with the full swing grip to try to hep with some injuries.
  • 596596 Lakeland, FLMembers Posts: 3,617 ✭✭
    When I changed from interlock to 10 finger I went from a fade to a draw. Much better feel, control and release with the 10 finger grip for me. And I gained some yards in distance.
  • BiggErnBiggErn Members Posts: 2,272 ✭✭
    596 wrote:
    When I changed from interlock to 10 finger I went from a fade to a draw. Much better feel, control and release with the 10 finger grip for me. And I gained some yards in distance.




    I think some better players avoid it because it can cause a hook to creep in. Overlap and interlock help take the right hand out a bit. I experiment with 10 finger at times on the range to help get the hands synced up but it definitely cause a more right to left shot.
  • IamMarkMacIamMarkMac SF Bay AreaMembers Posts: 664 ✭✭
    For a while, I had a nice but weak swing with an overlap. Weird for me because I was a switch-hitting slugger with a bat and could hammer a two handed backhand on a tennis court. The 10 finger gave me power as I felt I could turn my hands over stronger and it just felt more like both my baseball and tennis swings.



    Today, I really don't get that knock that somehow your hands don't work together as well with a 10 finger.
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  • Stuart_GStuart_G New HampshireMembers Posts: 23,067 ✭✭
    IamMarkMac wrote:


    Today, I really don't get that knock that somehow your hands don't work together as well with a 10 finger.




    I agree. I think the more common problem for those for which it doesn't work - is that the hands work too well together.
  • double_ddouble_d Members Posts: 322 ✭✭
    T.B. wrote:


    Thanks for the feedback. Here's another question. I use standard size grips. Hands are normal to small. Wear a med/large glove. Should I build up the right hand on grips?




    I find this interesting, because I have large hands and wear a med/large glove. I feel like your glove should be as tight as possible when you first get it as it will stretch.
  • CwebbCwebb Members Posts: 5,865 ✭✭
    IamMarkMac wrote:


    For a while, I had a nice but weak swing with an overlap. Weird for me because I was a switch-hitting slugger with a bat and could hammer a two handed backhand on a tennis court. The 10 finger gave me power as I felt I could turn my hands over stronger and it just felt more like both my baseball and tennis swings.



    Today, I really don't get that knock that somehow your hands don't work together as well with a 10 finger.




    Agreed. Feels so much more "precise" and in full control for me, to have all fingers in contact with the grip.



    It really is one of the strangest things in golf, that so many players and instructors have never really given this grip the consideration it deserves
  • NoTalentLeftyNoTalentLefty Members Posts: 3,454 ✭✭
    Go out and practice with it.
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  • rafalrafal Members Posts: 5,796 ✭✭
    I went vardon-10-vardon over the last 20 years with 10-finger stretch lasting some 6-7 years during which I got some good results with it. Not sure why but I switched back to vardon 2-3 years ago and playing 10-finger causes distance loss now.
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  • IamMarkMacIamMarkMac SF Bay AreaMembers Posts: 664 ✭✭
    Cwebb wrote:

    IamMarkMac wrote:


    For a while, I had a nice but weak swing with an overlap. Weird for me because I was a switch-hitting slugger with a bat and could hammer a two handed backhand on a tennis court. The 10 finger gave me power as I felt I could turn my hands over stronger and it just felt more like both my baseball and tennis swings.



    Today, I really don't get that knock that somehow your hands don't work together as well with a 10 finger.




    Agreed. Feels so much more "precise" and in full control for me, to have all fingers in contact with the grip.



    It really is one of the strangest things in golf, that so many players and instructors have never really given this grip the consideration it deserves




    IKR?



    And the thing is, I don't think I even know the explanation for it. Why is overlap supposed to help the hands work together more? It's a statement I see in a lot of books but nothing further than that.
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  • HouAggieHouAggie Members Posts: 346
    After 25yrs of Vardon, I switched to 10-finger due to pain/inflammation that I was experiencing in my right ring finger. I could barely shake someone’s hand without wincing. Pain went away with 10-finger and it was surprisingly easy to switch. If anything, it has also had a positive impact on my game. (typically right around scratch)
  • aliikanealiikane Members Posts: 1,603 ✭✭
    BiggErn wrote:

    596 wrote:
    When I changed from interlock to 10 finger I went from a fade to a draw. Much better feel, control and release with the 10 finger grip for me. And I gained some yards in distance.




    I think some better players avoid it because it can cause a hook to creep in. Overlap and interlock help take the right hand out a bit. I experiment with 10 finger at times on the range to help get the hands synced up but it definitely cause a more right to left shot.




    One of the most notable players on tour that uses the 10-finger grip is Scott Piercy and he hits a fade all day.
  • Jim WaldronJim Waldron Balance Point Golf Schools Sponsors Posts: 3,214 ✭✭
    I teach almost every student a variation of the ten finger grip I call the "Power Grip" which is superior in my experience (over 25 years of teaching) to any other grip option - especially for average golfers.



    More c head speed for distance, better sensory feedback from hands to brain/mind, 10% more finger strength for more control over club and face angle, easier to draw the ball.



    Tons of benefits!
  • IamMarkMacIamMarkMac SF Bay AreaMembers Posts: 664 ✭✭


    I teach almost every student a variation of the ten finger grip I call the "Power Grip" which is superior in my experience (over 25 years of teaching) to any other grip option - especially for average golfers.



    More c head speed for distance, better sensory feedback from hands to brain/mind, 10% more finger strength for more control over club and face angle, easier to draw the ball.



    Tons of benefits!




    So would you know the reasoning behind why the overlap is supposed to be superior and therefore pushed by just about every other instructor I know? I'm really curious...
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  • NoTalentLeftyNoTalentLefty Members Posts: 3,454 ✭✭
    I teach almost every student a variation of the ten finger grip I call the "Power Grip" which is superior in my experience (over 25 years of teaching) to any other grip option - especially for average golfers.



    More c head speed for distance, better sensory feedback from hands to brain/mind, 10% more finger strength for more control over club and face angle, easier to draw the ball.



    Tons of benefits!




    Jim , do you recommend using a larger grip side?
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  • SoaringEagleSoaringEagle Golf Struggle (my Learn Golf) Members Posts: 10
    Dear all:

    How about using 'double overlapping grip'? I think it is worthwhile to consider this grip. I am talking about Jim Furyk's grip. I have been practicing this for a while, and it give more focus with letting the left hand leading more the swing and hitting. Just think about what if we are using only one hand (e.g. left hand only). You will see that the left hand alone (assuming you are a right hand golfer) becomes really a sharp pointer to the golf ball with more focus.

    I don't want to add more confusion to the topic, but I think it is definitely worth while to look at.

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  • Jim WaldronJim Waldron Balance Point Golf Schools Sponsors Posts: 3,214 ✭✭
    IamMarkMac wrote:



    I teach almost every student a variation of the ten finger grip I call the "Power Grip" which is superior in my experience (over 25 years of teaching) to any other grip option - especially for average golfers.



    More c head speed for distance, better sensory feedback from hands to brain/mind, 10% more finger strength for more control over club and face angle, easier to draw the ball.



    Tons of benefits!




    So would you know the reasoning behind why the overlap is supposed to be superior and therefore pushed by just about every other instructor I know? I'm really curious...




    Yes I do know the history behind the Vardon overlap grip. Until Vardon came up with his now famous grip, pretty much everyone played with a literal baseball grip, ie thumbs wrapped around the sided of the handle, all ten fingers. Vardon got into a bad slump of snap-hooking and a fellow pro recommended a radical grip change to reduce forearm roll during release which was causing his hooking. Thumbs on top of the handle and baby finger of right hand overlapping index finger of left.



    It worked and he wrote articles in the golf magazines of the day touting it.



    It is an anti-hook, pro-slice grip. Reduces forearm roll. Most golfers slice, have too little or even reverse forearm roll, and need more speed to their release.



    So why use it? Just because it is "tradition"?



    Interlocking has the same drawbacks but on steroids.



    Ten finger grip is superior bio-mechanically in every way - unless you suffer from a hooking issue.



    Then I usually recommend reverse overlap grip as the next best alternative.
  • Jim WaldronJim Waldron Balance Point Golf Schools Sponsors Posts: 3,214 ✭✭

    I teach almost every student a variation of the ten finger grip I call the "Power Grip" which is superior in my experience (over 25 years of teaching) to any other grip option - especially for average golfers.



    More c head speed for distance, better sensory feedback from hands to brain/mind, 10% more finger strength for more control over club and face angle, easier to draw the ball.



    Tons of benefits!




    Jim , do you recommend using a larger grip side?




    I recommend non-tapered grips that fit your hand size. Most men golfers use grips too small for their hands.



    Non-tapered allows for true equal grip pressure, which allows for true sideways Triangle arm pressure - a vitally important fundamental in the golf swing.
  • randyfitzrandyfitz Members Posts: 277 ✭✭
    edited Mar 11, 2019 8:47pm #31
    Robert Streb uses it on tour as well. I’ve tried it but never stuck with it. May need to try again because I’m having trouble squaring the face.

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