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  • NorbooNorboo Members  2345WRX Points: 159Handicap: 12Posts: 2,345 Platinum Tees
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    eBay is littered with New and used Raw. First I’ve hear black was softer than raw.

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    Driver: Ping G400 Max 10.5 Stock Alta (need shaft fitting)
    Fairway Wood: Ryoma F5
    Hybrid: TaylorMade M6 4H & 6H
    Irons: OnOff Kuro 2015 6 - PW
    Wedge: Cleveland RTX4 50, 54 and 58
    Putter: S.C. GoLo 3
    Ball: TaylorMade TP5X
    Club hoe, builder, fitter and tester as hobbyist since 1993
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  • drvrwdgedrvrwdge Members  2677WRX Points: 285Handicap: +.7Posts: 2,677 Titanium Tees
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    You can’t order the raw through a retailer I should say. Feel is very subjective, your mileage may vary.

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    Taylormade SIM 10.5 Fujikura Ventus Black 6x
    Taylormade M6 Tensei Pro Orange V3 70TX
    Ping G410 19* Hybrid Tensei PO 100TX
    Mizuno JPX 919 Forged/Tour 4/5, 6-PW MODUS 120x
    Honma TW W4 52/56/60 Modus 125 Wedge
    Ping Sigma 2 Tyne Steath, Stealth shaft. PP58 Black Cord
    Snell MTB X
    Ping Hoofer Multicam
  • QuigleyDUQuigleyDU Members, ClubWRX  10574WRX Points: 3,698Handicap: 8Posts: 10,574 ClubWRX
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    I have some RTX4 and Sm7s, I much prefer the RTX4 wedges. Better feel, better flight for me. I made the mistake and went low bounce. I wish I had a smidge more bounce but that is fitting not the club.

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    Driver: Taylormade SIM 10.5 KBS TD 70TX
    3 iron Cobra King Utility Aldila Rouge 90 X flex
    4-PW Cobra king forged CB KBS $ Taper 130 X flex
    WEDGES; CLEVELAND RTX4: 49 and 64
    WEDGES: Titleist SM7 54 and 60 KBS tour custom matte black shafts.
    PUTTER; Kronos release long neck
    BALL; 2019 ProV1 yellow/Snell MTB-X yellow
  • HobbsHobbs ClubWRX  109WRX Points: 52Posts: 109 ClubWRX
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    I have the 54* mid (2 dot) and 58* low (1 dot) in the satin finish. Typically I use the 54* from the fairway/rough on 3/4 to full shots and from green side bunkers. The 60* is used on 3/4 shots and firmer conditions (hard green side bunkers, hardpan, etc.). I like having the option of using a mid or low bounce when the conditions dictate such. This way when I play, I can adapt to the course conditions and not "wish" I had another club. 

    Previously, I had (still have in my garage) a 58* mid bounce, but found I was limiting myself when bunkers and course were hard/firm. Since I made the switch, I could not be more pleased.

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    Cobra F9 - Diamana DF 60s | Cobra F9 Tour 3/4 - Oban Isawa Red 75 04 | MP-18 MCC 3 Iron | Wilson FG Tour V6 4-PW | RTX4 50*, 56* & 60* | SC NP2 Button Back
  • birdiestobogeysbirdiestobogeys Members  52WRX Points: 28Posts: 52 Bunkers
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    Just bought raws a Carl’s a couple days ago. It looks like they are still fully stocked on their website.

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  • drvrwdgedrvrwdge Members  2677WRX Points: 285Handicap: +.7Posts: 2,677 Titanium Tees
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    Well I ordered some through Golf Galaxy and Cleveland emailed that the raw was out of stock, it is in Cleveland’s site as well. Maybe Carl’s had some in hand so if you find some better jump on them.

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    Taylormade SIM 10.5 Fujikura Ventus Black 6x
    Taylormade M6 Tensei Pro Orange V3 70TX
    Ping G410 19* Hybrid Tensei PO 100TX
    Mizuno JPX 919 Forged/Tour 4/5, 6-PW MODUS 120x
    Honma TW W4 52/56/60 Modus 125 Wedge
    Ping Sigma 2 Tyne Steath, Stealth shaft. PP58 Black Cord
    Snell MTB X
    Ping Hoofer Multicam
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  • GrandmasterJGrandmasterJ Members  57WRX Points: 34Handicap: 5.6Posts: 57 Bunkers
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    In terms of spin, I am going to assume the raw generates more spin than the black? They have stock at my local PGA store so I am really torn whether to exchange the black to the raw since I am within my 90 days haha . I appreciate all the replies!

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    Ping G410 Plus 9 Degree HZRDUS Black 6.0
    Ping G410 3 Wood 14.5 Degree HZRDUS Black 6.0 Handcrafted
    Ping G410 3 Hybrid 19 Degree HZRDUS Black 6.0
    Titleist 620 CB 4-PW Dynamic Gold Tour Issued S400
    Titleist SM8 Tour Chrome 50F/8 bounce, 56S/10 bounce, 60S/10 bounce Dynamic Gold Tour Issued S400
    2020 Bettinardi BB8W Limited Run Blacked Out/2016 Bettinardi BB8
  • ChristopherMcDonaldChristopherMcDonald Members  2478WRX Points: 141Posts: 2,478 Platinum Tees
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    Raw wedges do not add any additional spin. That's a myth. What you can expect is reduced glare and a good looking club, but rust doesn't add anything to spin.

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    Cobra King LTD UST Elements Chrome
    Taylormade '07 Burner 3 Wood Miyazaki B.Asha
    Taylormade '07 Burner 5 Wood Miyazaki B.Asha
    Taylormade '07 Burner 7 Wood Matrix Ozik 6Q3
    Adams XTD Tour 5-GW True Temper Dynamic Gold AMT
    Scratch Tour Issue 1018 56* True Temper Dynamic Gold
    Scratch Tour Issue 1018 60* True Temper Dynamic Gold
    Odyssey White Hot Pro V-Line
    Taylormade Project (a)
  • drvrwdgedrvrwdge Members  2677WRX Points: 285Handicap: +.7Posts: 2,677 Titanium Tees
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    This is correct. Raw doesn't add spin, neither does rust. Its technically the lack of coating which can fill in already machined grooves that may give raw wedges more spin but I think its been shown that differences are negligible.

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    Taylormade SIM 10.5 Fujikura Ventus Black 6x
    Taylormade M6 Tensei Pro Orange V3 70TX
    Ping G410 19* Hybrid Tensei PO 100TX
    Mizuno JPX 919 Forged/Tour 4/5, 6-PW MODUS 120x
    Honma TW W4 52/56/60 Modus 125 Wedge
    Ping Sigma 2 Tyne Steath, Stealth shaft. PP58 Black Cord
    Snell MTB X
    Ping Hoofer Multicam
  • bbfifasbbfifas Members  521WRX Points: 130Posts: 521 Golden Tee
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    Someone help me on picking a new 60. I recently have been going thru wedges and have settled on the CBX 50 (for fullshots and pitches), the CBX 56 (for sand and green side and 3/4). I was thinking about adding a 60 that I can open for some flops or short sided bunker play.

    I now need to decide between adding the CBX2 60* (10 degree bounce and a C shape grind) or go with the RTX 4 60* in either the low grind (6*) or mid grind (9*).

    I'm thinking the RTX4 mid grind is better because more bounce as my miss is steep. Can the mid grind be opened up for flops?

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    Mizuno St190, 8.5*, Tensei White 70X shaft
    Cobra FLY Z+ 3 wood, orange, aldila tour blue stiff, 14.5*
    Taylormade V-Steel 5 wood, stock stiff
    Cobra F7 Hybrid 20* stiff Fuji Pro 75
    Cobra Forged Tec 5-PW, KBS C-taper lite stiff
    Cleveland CBX 50*, 115g DG
    Cleveland CBX 56*, 115g DG
    Cleveland RTX3 60* Midgrind 9* bounce
    Scotty Select Newport, 73* lie, 1* loft, 34"
    Bridegstone Tour BX

  • Mainehacker21Mainehacker21 MaineMembers  88WRX Points: 22Posts: 88 Fairways
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    Anyone notice a distinct difference in weight with the lower lofted wedge vs high lofted? I just ordered a 54 and 58 and the lob wedge is noticeably heavier which I prefer. Is that the “feel balanced tech”? I wouldn’t think so but they both have the same shaft and swing weight looks like it should be the same from what I can see online for specs? I don’t think it’s just me it’s pretty noticeable, want to make sure this is normal.

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  • Kale_mKale_m Members  2441WRX Points: 508Posts: 2,441 Platinum Tees
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    Really like these. Defiantly the wedge I would be getting. If I was in the market right now. My md4 will last me this season still. The raw rtx feel so good

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    Taylormade Sim 9* (9.75*) Accra tour Z RPG 472 m5+
    Titleist TS3 15* Evenflow White T1100 75g 6.0
    Ping g410 3hy at 20* with tensei white 90tx 
    Titleist 4-6 718 CB 7-PW 718 MB PX LZ 6.5
    Callaway md4 52/56/ 60
    Scotty Cameron 2012 Newport 2
  • elwhippyelwhippy Members  3525WRX Points: 390Posts: 3,525 Titanium Tees
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    The longer I have my 60 deg RTX4 the more I like it. Very consistent spin and feels great. I ordered a KBS Hi Rev as S400 too much for my swing speed and it works great.

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  • brkuckbrkuck Members  1779WRX Points: 197Posts: 1,779 Platinum Tees
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    I had the SM6's for 46*, 52* and 60*, before replacing the 60 with the RTX4. The spin and feel were a lot better in the RTX4, for me. I was not sold on it at first, but towards the end of the season I came to like them better than the SM6's.

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  • Cruisin1966Cruisin1966 Calgary, ABClubWRX  1141WRX Points: 316Handicap: 9.2Posts: 1,141 ClubWRX
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    **Retro Bag**
    Driver: Ping G LS Tec 9º
    Fairway: Titleist 915F 3W 15º
    Hybrid: Cobra Baffler Pro 2H 18º
    Irons: Taylormade RAC Forged CB/TP 3-PW
    Wedges: Wilson Staff FG Tour PMP 52º; Nike VR Pro Forged Brushed Oxide Raw 58º
    Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach 1

  • Kale_mKale_m Members  2441WRX Points: 508Posts: 2,441 Platinum Tees
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    Just get them from you once your gold plated artisans come in

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    Taylormade Sim 9* (9.75*) Accra tour Z RPG 472 m5+
    Titleist TS3 15* Evenflow White T1100 75g 6.0
    Ping g410 3hy at 20* with tensei white 90tx 
    Titleist 4-6 718 CB 7-PW 718 MB PX LZ 6.5
    Callaway md4 52/56/ 60
    Scotty Cameron 2012 Newport 2
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  • GrandmasterJGrandmasterJ Members  57WRX Points: 34Handicap: 5.6Posts: 57 Bunkers
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    I am planning to use my playability option with the PGA store and I just wanted to get some input from y'all. I plan on changing my 54/mid and 58/mid to 56/full and 60/mid. Should I stick with the original sole options I had with the 54 and 58 or go with this? Thanks very much!!

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    Ping G410 Plus 9 Degree HZRDUS Black 6.0
    Ping G410 3 Wood 14.5 Degree HZRDUS Black 6.0 Handcrafted
    Ping G410 3 Hybrid 19 Degree HZRDUS Black 6.0
    Titleist 620 CB 4-PW Dynamic Gold Tour Issued S400
    Titleist SM8 Tour Chrome 50F/8 bounce, 56S/10 bounce, 60S/10 bounce Dynamic Gold Tour Issued S400
    2020 Bettinardi BB8W Limited Run Blacked Out/2016 Bettinardi BB8
  • Pbo1980Pbo1980 Members  24WRX Points: 38Posts: 24 Bunkers
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    Had them since release. 52 and 56 - Favorite wedges I’ve had. Came from many sets of vokeys and Cleveland 588

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  • TigerInTheWoodsTigerInTheWoods Members  2647WRX Points: 1,663Handicap: 5Posts: 2,647 Titanium Tees
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    Anybody gaming the 48 mid? Thinking of using one as my PW...

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  • HobbsHobbs ClubWRX  109WRX Points: 52Posts: 109 ClubWRX
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    My PW is 46* and I tried the RXT4 but I just didn't feel comfortable with it. My PW is +1/4 so maybe it was length or swing weight which felt "different". However, I do game a 50* RTX4 as a gap wedge and I love it for that particular purpose.

    Don't think the Wilson PW will be dialed in? (I believe you mention your ordered a set in previous or different post).

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    Cobra F9 - Diamana DF 60s | Cobra F9 Tour 3/4 - Oban Isawa Red 75 04 | MP-18 MCC 3 Iron | Wilson FG Tour V6 4-PW | RTX4 50*, 56* & 60* | SC NP2 Button Back
  • TigerInTheWoodsTigerInTheWoods Members  2647WRX Points: 1,663Handicap: 5Posts: 2,647 Titanium Tees
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    They’re being built. I should have them before I head down to Florida I hope. I’ve really been wanting to try a three wedge setup. I could just bend the Wilson 2 weak (maybe smartest) and then go 52 58. My plan was initially to bend my SM7 50 to 52, 56M to 58, and 60M to 62. I feel like the 58M with a bit more bounce would be amazing but I have to test it out. The downside to this setup is losing the 105-110 full shot with the 56 that spins a lot.

    I was thinking of trying out the RTX as my friend has them and I loved them when I tested. 48-53-59 was the thought with bending a 52 and 58 weak.

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  • HobbsHobbs ClubWRX  109WRX Points: 52Posts: 109 ClubWRX
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    I like the idea of the 48-53-59 set up. Sounds like it would work, but you'll know when you get to play.

    I just purchased another set of MP-14s (2-9). I now to need to look for a new "PW". The set's PW was 50/6. The RTX only has a 50/10 (mid). I think I might pull the trigger on a Mizuno T20 50/7 to keep it close to what the normal PW would be.

    The question now is to stay with my 54 and 58 RTX (bring them over from my gamers when I use the MP-14 for a round), get set of 56 and 60 RTX (maybe bend the 56 to 55) or go full Mizuno T20 with a 54/58 or 55/60 set up?

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    Cobra F9 - Diamana DF 60s | Cobra F9 Tour 3/4 - Oban Isawa Red 75 04 | MP-18 MCC 3 Iron | Wilson FG Tour V6 4-PW | RTX4 50*, 56* & 60* | SC NP2 Button Back
  • Fairway14Fairway14 Members  377WRX Points: 133Posts: 377 Greens
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    For the 56* loft RTX-4 the M (mid) has 9* of bounce and the F (full) also has 9* of bounce. So is the only difference that the mid lays flatter when opened up a bit whereas the full grind would have its leading edge a bit elevated ?

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  • TigerInTheWoodsTigerInTheWoods Members  2647WRX Points: 1,663Handicap: 5Posts: 2,647 Titanium Tees
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    Really considering going to RTX 4. I like my staff forged but I want to try a 46-52-58 combo. Is anybody running the 52 and 58 in the mid grind? I use a 60M for nearly every bunker shot as long as it isn't a super long one. How does the mid grind do out of bunkers and on tighter lies?

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  • NorbooNorboo Members  2345WRX Points: 159Handicap: 12Posts: 2,345 Platinum Tees
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    I am currently using 50, 54 and 58 Mid. I use 58 for bunkers and it is very versatile. However, I am going to experiment with 60 mid in hope to replace the 58. I prefer little higher flight out of the bunkers and less open face on flop shots. I hope to achieve less margin for errors for my game. Whichever loft fits your needs, RTX4 is great wedge with very good/solid feel.

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    Driver: Ping G400 Max 10.5 Stock Alta (need shaft fitting)
    Fairway Wood: Ryoma F5
    Hybrid: TaylorMade M6 4H & 6H
    Irons: OnOff Kuro 2015 6 - PW
    Wedge: Cleveland RTX4 50, 54 and 58
    Putter: S.C. GoLo 3
    Ball: TaylorMade TP5X
    Club hoe, builder, fitter and tester as hobbyist since 1993
  • HobbsHobbs ClubWRX  109WRX Points: 52Posts: 109 ClubWRX
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    I have the 54* mid grind which I used out of the green side bunkers were when the sand is soft/fluffy. I had a 58* mid bounce which worked well, but on hard pan or hard/firm bunkers, I needed less bounce. I went to a 58* low bounce and could not be more pleased with the option of a mid and low bounce.

    Since I received a set of FG V6 (wink wink), I purchased a 56* mid and 60* low bounce. Used them this past week and it worked very well.

    As long as the bounce matches the course conditions you play, the RTX4 will be awesome, you will be very happy if you decide to get a set.

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    Cobra F9 - Diamana DF 60s | Cobra F9 Tour 3/4 - Oban Isawa Red 75 04 | MP-18 MCC 3 Iron | Wilson FG Tour V6 4-PW | RTX4 50*, 56* & 60* | SC NP2 Button Back
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  • GolfChannelGolfChannel Orlando, FloridaMembers  2555WRX Points: 777Handicap: 0.9Posts: 2,555 Titanium Tees
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    This is what I'm trying to decide is whether to grab a mid-bounce 58 for the soft sand. I don't need a 54 out of firm sand because my 58 low bounce can do double duty, but on the short fluffy shot I need the extra bounce.

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    Driver: Ping G410 Plus w/Tensei Orange
    3 Wood: Titleist TS2 w/HZRDUS Smoke
    Hybrid: Titleist 718 H2 w/Atmos Blue TS 
    Irons: Ping iBlade Nippon AWT 2.0 Stiff
    Wedges: Callaway MD3 50, 54, and 58
    Putter: Original Odyssey White Hot XG No. 7
    Ball: Bridgestone XS
  • High Draws Low FadesHigh Draws Low Fades Members  97WRX Points: 44Handicap: 0.6Posts: 97 Fairways
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    I go 54 mid for soft sand and 58 low for firm sand. So far haven't had any issues with it. I find the 54 mid to be super versatile and I love the low bounce on the 58. Easy to open up and manipulate from all sorts of lies.

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    Ping G400 LST 8.5
    Callaway GBB Epic 15
    Titleist 818 H2 21 
    Ping i210 4-U
    Cleveland RTX 4 54, 58
    Scotty Cameron T22 Newport
  • odshot68odshot68 MIMembers  8117WRX Points: 223Handicap: +.7Posts: 8,117 Titanium Tees
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    which vokey grind is similar to the 58 2 dot?

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    Ping G410 LST 9 deg Diamana RF 60X
    Callaway XR Pro 18 deg hybrid VTS Silver 85X
    Titleist 718 T-MB #3 TI DG S400
    Mizuno MP 20 MB 5-PW TI DG S400
    Vokey SM8 Black 54D & 60D TI DG S400 Black Onyx
    Callaway PM Grind 19 Tour 64 TI DG S400 Black Onyx
    Bettinardi SS-12 Black Center Shaft Putter
    Vessel 2.0 White

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  • GolfChannelGolfChannel Orlando, FloridaMembers  2555WRX Points: 777Handicap: 0.9Posts: 2,555 Titanium Tees
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    Driver: Ping G410 Plus w/Tensei Orange
    3 Wood: Titleist TS2 w/HZRDUS Smoke
    Hybrid: Titleist 718 H2 w/Atmos Blue TS 
    Irons: Ping iBlade Nippon AWT 2.0 Stiff
    Wedges: Callaway MD3 50, 54, and 58
    Putter: Original Odyssey White Hot XG No. 7
    Ball: Bridgestone XS
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