Swing Speed Guidance

yellowlover519yellowlover519 Posts: 280 ✭✭
edited Mar 9, 2019 4:08pm in Juniors/College Golf Talk #1
Does anyone have guidance on swing speed with driver for 12U? Just curious what the upper range is. Also, is the swing radar device usually used for swing speed training accurate (the little grey/blue box)?



I would guess that you would go up an age group when speaking of girls. So 10-year old boy v 11/12 year-old girl would be a good barometer. I’ll take a stab, but have no idea:



Boys (upper-levels):





7 - 68+

8 - 72+

9 - 76+

10 - 80+

11- 85+

12 - 92+



I know ball speed is most important for distance.
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  • leezer99leezer99 I swear I am quitting this site every day... Members Posts: 963 ✭✭
    I think your upper levels might be off by a year.

    There's definitely something more important that I should be doing.

  • Golfingdawg19Golfingdawg19 Posts: 343 ✭✭
    My friend’s son is 9 and he is right at 80mph and cranks his driver 200yds. That is extremely long for a 9 year old so my guess the average 9 year old is closer to 70. His oldest son is 11 and is close to 90. He is in the top of his age group but there are a few that get around 95 because they are so big.
  • tiger1873tiger1873 Members Posts: 1,011 ✭✭


    Does anyone have guidance on swing speed with driver for 12U? Just curious what the upper range is. Also, is the swing radar device usually used for swing speed training accurate (the little grey/blue box)?



    I would guess that you would go up an age group when speaking of girls. So 10-year old boy v 11/12 year-old girl would be a good barometer. I’ll take a stab, but have no idea:



    Boys (upper-levels):





    7 - 68+

    8 - 72+

    9 - 76+

    10 - 80+

    11- 85+

    12 - 92+



    I know ball speed is most important for distance.




    It actually on the low side for speed a lot kids are fast some girls are 100 mph plus out there at 12. I heard some boys are faster too.



    It actually more important that they got the ball in the center of the face or distance will not be maximized. Also technique and driver been used are all important.
  • tiger1873tiger1873 Members Posts: 1,011 ✭✭
    edited Mar 9, 2019 7:29pm #5
    leezer99 wrote:


    I think your upper levels might be off by a year.






    It actually on the low side for speed a lot kids are fast some girls are 100 mph plus out there at 12. I heard some boys are faster too.



    It is actually more important that they hit the ball in the center of the face or distance will not be maximized. Also technique and driver been used are all important. Most people can gain more yards if they do not have speed.
  • tiger1873tiger1873 Members Posts: 1,011 ✭✭


    Does anyone have guidance on swing speed with driver for 12U? Just curious what the upper range is. Also, is the swing radar device usually used for swing speed training accurate (the little grey/blue box)?



    I would guess that you would go up an age group when speaking of girls. So 10-year old boy v 11/12 year-old girl would be a good barometer. I’ll take a stab, but have no idea:



    Boys (upper-levels):





    7 - 68+

    8 - 72+

    9 - 76+

    10 - 80+

    11- 85+

    12 - 92+



    I know ball speed is most important for distance.




    Chart is more accurate for girls as far as top speeds there are a few 12 year old girls out there more then 92 mph plus.



    Also the most important factor for distance is how well you hit the club. If you can’t center the impact your going to lose a lot of distance more then anything. A lot of yardage can be gained by technique and better ball striking.



    Too many people just focus on speed. Yes speed is nice but it not the only thing either.
  • yellowlover519yellowlover519 Posts: 280 ✭✭
    edited Mar 9, 2019 9:59pm #7
    Tiger - that would be amazing as lpga average is 93 (according to one chart - 246 drive). Also, contact is important that’s why I mentioned ball speed being most important for distance, but since everyone doesn’t have access to track man data, swing speed gives a good idea of potential.



    Leezer - which way should age group go in your opinion - down or up?
  • leezer99leezer99 I swear I am quitting this site every day... Members Posts: 963 ✭✭
    9 - 80+

    10 - 85+

    11 - 92+

    There's definitely something more important that I should be doing.

  • kekoakekoa ClubWRX Posts: 8,782 ClubWRX
    I guess my son is uber short. He just turned 9 and swings it low to mid 70’s 🤔
  • leezer99leezer99 I swear I am quitting this site every day... Members Posts: 963 ✭✭
    kekoa wrote:
    I guess my son is uber short. He just turned 9 and swings it low to mid 70’s �


    Longer or shorter than JS?

    There's definitely something more important that I should be doing.

  • kekoakekoa ClubWRX Posts: 8,782 ClubWRX
    Shorter. Hes consistently 180+



    We played a par 3 today scoped at 170 and ball rested pin high with little to no roll. With driver image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
  • tiger1873tiger1873 Members Posts: 1,011 ✭✭
    edited Mar 10, 2019 6:22am #12


    Tiger - that would be amazing as lpga average is 93 (according to one chart - 246 drive). Also, contact is important that’s why I mentioned ball speed being most important for distance, but since everyone doesn’t have access to track man data, swing speed gives a good idea of potential.



    Leezer - which way should age group go in your opinion - down or up?




    Yes it amazing a few girls I know for a fact have this speed in Texas and Florida. They can easily go 240 plus for carry if the ball is struck correctly . Most will have a hard believing it but some are quite a bit faster then current LPGA players if you can believe that. Most girls though are well under that distance though but still could probably reach 200 or so with better contact.



    The advantage for girls who are does not happen until there above 13 playing courses close to 6000 yards. Girls at 12 play a lot courses under 5000 yards. A big problem for girls younger is on many courses 220-250 yards is where all the trouble is when they tee off. I think for boys you see it sooner because the yards increases at a younger age.



    The swing radar you talk about is off by about 10-15 mph. I know this because we have used both it an track man and it seems to run a bit faster then trackman. It however is consistent so it is a good training aid to gauge speed gain.
  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,003 ✭✭
    tiger1873 wrote:


    Does anyone have guidance on swing speed with driver for 12U? Just curious what the upper range is. Also, is the swing radar device usually used for swing speed training accurate (the little grey/blue box)?



    I would guess that you would go up an age group when speaking of girls. So 10-year old boy v 11/12 year-old girl would be a good barometer. I’ll take a stab, but have no idea:



    Boys (upper-levels):





    7 - 68+

    8 - 72+

    9 - 76+

    10 - 80+

    11- 85+

    12 - 92+



    I know ball speed is most important for distance.




    Chart is more accurate for girls as far as top speeds there are a few 12 year old girls out there more then 92 mph plus.



    Also the most important factor for distance is how well you hit the club. If you can’t center the impact your going to lose a lot of distance more then anything. A lot of yardage can be gained by technique and better ball striking.



    Too many people just focus on speed. Yes speed is nice but it not the only thing either.




    Not even close to average speed for girls.
  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,003 ✭✭
    edited Mar 10, 2019 9:46am #14
    leezer99 wrote:
    9 - 80+

    10 - 85+

    11 - 92+




    That is high. We went to worlds at 12 and mine was above average compared to other kids. He was 88 at top.
  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,003 ✭✭
    Does anyone have guidance on swing speed with driver for 12U? Just curious what the upper range is. Also, is the swing radar device usually used for swing speed training accurate (the little grey/blue box)?



    I would guess that you would go up an age group when speaking of girls. So 10-year old boy v 11/12 year-old girl would be a good barometer. I’ll take a stab, but have no idea:



    Boys (upper-levels):





    7 - 68+

    8 - 72+

    9 - 76+

    10 - 80+

    11- 85+

    12 - 92+



    I know ball speed is most important for distance.




    Speed radars are 5-8 mph higher than a launch monitor.
  • TripleBogeysrbetterTripleBogeysrbetter Members Posts: 59 ✭✭
    Just curious if that’s speed from:



    1. Radar gun

    2. Radar launch monitor

    3. Camera base launch monitor

    4. Calucated speed without a club head monitor.
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  • Does anyone have guidance on swing speed with driver for 12U? Just curious what the upper range is. Also, is the swing radar device usually used for swing speed training accurate (the little grey/blue box)?



    I would guess that you would go up an age group when speaking of girls. So 10-year old boy v 11/12 year-old girl would be a good barometer. I’ll take a stab, but have no idea:



    Boys (upper-levels):





    7 - 68+

    8 - 72+

    9 - 76+

    10 - 80+

    11- 85+

    12 - 92+



    I know ball speed is most important for distance.




    Speed radars are 5-8 mph higher than a launch monitor.




    This is helpful - did not know this.
  • tiger1873tiger1873 Members Posts: 1,011 ✭✭
    edited Mar 10, 2019 1:01pm #18

    tiger1873 wrote:


    Does anyone have guidance on swing speed with driver for 12U? Just curious what the upper range is. Also, is the swing radar device usually used for swing speed training accurate (the little grey/blue box)?



    I would guess that you would go up an age group when speaking of girls. So 10-year old boy v 11/12 year-old girl would be a good barometer. I’ll take a stab, but have no idea:



    Boys (upper-levels):





    7 - 68+

    8 - 72+

    9 - 76+

    10 - 80+

    11- 85+

    12 - 92+



    I know ball speed is most important for distance.




    Chart is more accurate for girls as far as top speeds there are a few 12 year old girls out there more then 92 mph plus.



    Also the most important factor for distance is how well you hit the club. If you can’t center the impact your going to lose a lot of distance more then anything. A lot of yardage can be gained by technique and better ball striking.



    Too many people just focus on speed. Yes speed is nice but it not the only thing either.




    Not even close to average speed for girls.




    I agree for average this very high speed I was thinking this was this for higher end speed ranges.
  • leezer99leezer99 I swear I am quitting this site every day... Members Posts: 963 ✭✭
    leezer99 wrote:
    9 - 80+

    10 - 85+

    11 - 92+




    That is high. We went to worlds at 12 and mine was above average compared to other kids. He was 88 at top.


    Even for boys?

    There's definitely something more important that I should be doing.

  • Yes. My buddies kid is at the very high end of 9 year old boys and he is around 80. The average 9 year old boy is around 70. The high end for 11-12 would be low 90’s. His oldest son is 11 and won the future masters a couple years back and his is high 80’s.
  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,003 ✭✭
    leezer99 wrote:
    leezer99 wrote:
    9 - 80+

    10 - 85+

    11 - 92+




    That is high. We went to worlds at 12 and mine was above average compared to other kids. He was 88 at top.


    Even for boys?




    Yes... 92+ for an 11 year old is really high. I think Yellow was pretty spot on for the high end at those ages.
  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,003 ✭✭

    Does anyone have guidance on swing speed with driver for 12U? Just curious what the upper range is. Also, is the swing radar device usually used for swing speed training accurate (the little grey/blue box)?



    I would guess that you would go up an age group when speaking of girls. So 10-year old boy v 11/12 year-old girl would be a good barometer. I’ll take a stab, but have no idea:



    Boys (upper-levels):





    7 - 68+

    8 - 72+

    9 - 76+

    10 - 80+

    11- 85+

    12 - 92+



    I know ball speed is most important for distance.




    Speed radars are 5-8 mph higher than a launch monitor.




    This is helpful - did not know this.




    Flight Scope and Trackman measure the swing speed from the center of the face. A radar just picks up the fastest point. Generally speaking the radar is 5-8 mph fast.
  • tiger1873tiger1873 Members Posts: 1,011 ✭✭
    edited Mar 10, 2019 5:34pm #23
    We use swing speed radar and just did a session with trackman. So based on The data we did the I have after that session Is the higher the swing speed the more it is off.



    Lower speeds are 5-8mph but higher speeds above 100 mph is 10-15 mph. I figure it probably about 10-15 percent off on the speed. This tends to make sense based the various Facebook posts I have seen claiming extra fast swings on kids. Yes still fast but not as fast as you should believe. It’s a great tool but really just a toy.



    Also we did sessions at local PGA superstore and those are off by at least 5-10mph on the high side. Pretty much need a trackman to get reliable figured.



    It still a good tool just need to know they are off a lot. I have a feeling a lot speeds are quotes that are not using an actual trackman. I also don’t trust all those cheap launch monitors out there either there not acurate either.
  • CTgolfCTgolf Posts: 407 ✭✭
    leezer99 wrote:


    9 - 80+

    10 - 85+

    11 - 92+




    With all due respect, this seems way off (inflated), unless by "upper range" you are referring to top 1% (basically a handful of players in the US).



    Top 10-25% of 11yo boys are not hitting their drives 240-245, nor are 10yo's or 9yo's consistently hitting it 220 or 200+, respectively.
  • leezer99leezer99 I swear I am quitting this site every day... Members Posts: 963 ✭✭
    CTgolf wrote:

    leezer99 wrote:


    9 - 80+

    10 - 85+

    11 - 92+




    With all due respect, this seems way off (inflated), unless by "upper range" you are referring to top 1% (basically a handful of players in the US).



    Top 10-25% of 11yo boys are not hitting their drives 240-245, nor are 10yo's or 9yo's consistently hitting it 220 or 200+, respectively.




    If you say so.

    There's definitely something more important that I should be doing.

  • TigerswagTigerswag Members Posts: 34
    I sort of agree. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    My son is 15....so....speed stick training could be impacting 10-12 year olds more than a few years ago. My son was considered ‘long’ for a 12yo. He would hit his driver 210-230. There were alway outliers at worlds or future masters....but, rarely did he encounter longer players on a regional level.



    If it helps he has consistently been one of the longer players for his age.



    12 years old 82 mph SS

    13 broke 100

    14 105

    15 112



    These numbers are from trackman



    I can only imagine the swing speed progression of the above speeds.
  • CTgolfCTgolf Posts: 407 ✭✭
    edited Mar 11, 2019 8:47am #27
    leezer99 wrote:

    CTgolf wrote:

    leezer99 wrote:


    9 - 80+

    10 - 85+

    11 - 92+




    With all due respect, this seems way off (inflated), unless by "upper range" you are referring to top 1% (basically a handful of players in the US).



    Top 10-25% of 11yo boys are not hitting their drives 240-245, nor are 10yo's or 9yo's consistently hitting it 220 or 200+, respectively.




    If you say so.




    How about this: how many boys do you know who can actually *consistently* drive the distances mentioned above? More than a few?



    A more reasonable discussion might revolve around what the *median* driving distance is among tournament golfers by age. I would guess it would look something like the following:

    Boys

    9 - 145

    10 - 160

    11 - 175
  • leezer99leezer99 I swear I am quitting this site every day... Members Posts: 963 ✭✭
    CTgolf wrote:

    leezer99 wrote:

    CTgolf wrote:

    leezer99 wrote:


    9 - 80+

    10 - 85+

    11 - 92+




    With all due respect, this seems way off (inflated), unless by "upper range" you are referring to top 1% (basically a handful of players in the US).



    Top 10-25% of 11yo boys are not hitting their drives 240-245, nor are 10yo's or 9yo's consistently hitting it 220 or 200+, respectively.




    If you say so.




    How about this: how many boys do you know who can actually *consistently* drive the distances mentioned above? More than a few?



    A more reasonable discussion might revolve around what the *median* driving distance is among tournament golfers by age. I would guess it would look something like the following:

    Boys

    9 - 145

    10 - 160

    11 - 175




    I can name four right now off the top of my head that we play against locally.

    There's definitely something more important that I should be doing.

  • CTgolfCTgolf Posts: 407 ✭✭
    leezer99 wrote:

    CTgolf wrote:

    leezer99 wrote:

    CTgolf wrote:

    leezer99 wrote:


    9 - 80+

    10 - 85+

    11 - 92+




    With all due respect, this seems way off (inflated), unless by "upper range" you are referring to top 1% (basically a handful of players in the US).



    Top 10-25% of 11yo boys are not hitting their drives 240-245, nor are 10yo's or 9yo's consistently hitting it 220 or 200+, respectively.




    If you say so.




    How about this: how many boys do you know who can actually *consistently* drive the distances mentioned above? More than a few?



    A more reasonable discussion might revolve around what the *median* driving distance is among tournament golfers by age. I would guess it would look something like the following:

    Boys

    9 - 145

    10 - 160

    11 - 175




    I can name four right now off the top of my head that we play against locally.




    Four in a single age group? Which age and what are their average distances (roughly)?
  • yellowlover519yellowlover519 Posts: 280 ✭✭
    edited Mar 11, 2019 9:48am #30
    CTgolf wrote:

    leezer99 wrote:

    CTgolf wrote:

    leezer99 wrote:


    9 - 80+

    10 - 85+

    11 - 92+




    With all due respect, this seems way off (inflated), unless by "upper range" you are referring to top 1% (basically a handful of players in the US).



    Top 10-25% of 11yo boys are not hitting their drives 240-245, nor are 10yo's or 9yo's consistently hitting it 220 or 200+, respectively.




    If you say so.




    How about this: how many boys do you know who can actually *consistently* drive the distances mentioned above? More than a few?



    A more reasonable discussion might revolve around what the *median* driving distance is among tournament golfers by age. I would guess it would look something like the following:

    Boys

    9 - 145

    10 - 160

    11 - 175




    I don’t know if you meant average (mean), but this is way low. You can just look at DPC qualifier results and see that this is low. Can’t go by distance bc all courses are different as are regions of the country (e.g., some places are fast and firm (southern CA), some have higher elevations, and some have little roll, particularly if you’re playing on muni’s).



    My son is 10.5. He has always been on the longer side, but not a 1%er. Yesterday, he was 83 on swing radar and averaged 80 after about 10 drives at the range (this was after 6 weeks of swing speed training). As HH pointed out, this may be off due to when it gets measued. Impact is good, so I am predicting some carries of 190+ this season.



    Can’t be 145 at 9. My son drove the green at world’s at 6 that was lasered 140, if I recall correctly.



    Again, this isn’t to boast, but on our tour, I would say most of the top 5 players we play with that are 10-11 today have to be around 76+. There are 2-3 kids I know that poke it farther than my son on our tour alone.
  • tiger1873tiger1873 Members Posts: 1,011 ✭✭
    Trying to find average speed is going to be tough because most people have never been put in front of a trackman. Getting a good driver and focusing on ball striking is going to increase much more than a few mph on speed training.



    If you kid is fast you already know this as well. It's pretty obvious and I would bet you noticed it from the first time they played golf. The average kid is going to be way less than 90 mph. The average adult is less than that if you include seniors.



    A better way to look at things is what are you seeing out there in tournaments.



    To me when I seen the boys hit between 10-12 the average distance is a little over 200 yards. I haven't followed a lot boys so I may be off but it seems that is about is where they are hitting when I seen them playing.



    For girls I would suspect 10-12 is around 180-190 yards for average.



    This is for higher level state wide tournaments so it may be high if you looking at something like a US kids tournament. I think though these numbers can be reached with reasonable expectations. Not all kids can hit it 250 or should need to based on yardage.
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