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Any opinions on the worm cam view of putts?

DeeBee30DeeBee30 Advanced Members Posts: 275 ✭✭
I find that I really enjoy and prefer the “worm cam” view of putts from behind the player and low to the ground. When the camera is in line with the putting line, you really have a better sense of the break as opposed to the tower view where they show the player and hole, then zoom in on the ball as it nears the hole.



I understand that getting those shots means the camera man has to move around the green, but I think it makes for a great TV and would be worth the effort, at least on holes where they have a handheld camera.



Any other opinions on this, as well as the practicality of it?

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  • collindm1collindm1 Members Posts: 54
    I absolutely love it - wish they would do that for every player they show at least once or twice in the round.
  • JohnnyCashForeverJohnnyCashForever Advanced Members Posts: 214 ✭✭
    In terms of logistics, I've three ideas, from most plausible to least:



    I think they could experiment with a drone cam. Land the drone off the green behind the ball in line with the cup and film away. They'll need landing gear that'll keep the drone about a foot off the ground and a special gyroscopic mount that'll level the camera, but it could work.



    OR



    What about a pop-up camera in the hole that films the putt as it approaches the hole? It could fit in the pin mount and be programmed to retract as the ball enters the cup zone or stay up to act like a pin, whichever the player prefers.



    OR



    Have the players use a special ball with a camera mounted on top of the ball with opposite polarized magnets so that the camera mount floats over the ball, like BB-8 in Star Wars. This idea needs a little more work.
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  • wcbjrwcbjr Advanced Members Posts: 2,772 ✭✭


    In terms of logistics, I've three ideas, from most plausible to least:




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  • HoosierMizunoHoosierMizuno Advanced Members Posts: 3,316 ✭✭
    give me any camera angle on the greens other than the top down tower view where the camera man zooms in on the ball as it approaches the hole. i'd prefer a stationary camera from the gallery. no zoom, just a view of the entire green, the players and caddies on the green, and the fans in the backdrop.



    its one of my biggest complaints about tv coverage. in my opinion, less is more. stop zooming
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  • deadsolid...shankdeadsolid...shank ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 14,330 ClubWRX
    wcbjr wrote:



    In terms of logistics, I've three ideas, from most plausible to least:




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  • Darth PutterDarth Putter Advanced Members Posts: 4,181 ✭✭
    My favorite camera shot in a golf tournament.



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  • 2putttom2putttom # 1 Oregon Duck fan Advanced Members Posts: 9,686 ✭✭


    My favorite camera shot in a golf tournament.



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  • MidwestGolfBumMidwestGolfBum Advanced Members Posts: 1,260 ✭✭
    As has been said, basically anything but the tower view that they zoom in on the ball giving little to no perspective to break is great. I like the worm cam, but the opposite side of the hole view is actually better, for me. You can see more of the stroke and watch the ball do its thing.
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  • Roadking2003Roadking2003 Advanced Members Posts: 4,914 ✭✭
    Love it.
  • Mr. HoganMr. Hogan Advanced Members Posts: 1,225 ✭✭
    I'm thinking they should ring the greens with dozens of cameras so they can give us a Matrix-style 360 view while the putt is on the way to the hole.
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  • Bingo1976Bingo1976 Advanced Members Posts: 2,477
    Mr. Hogan wrote:


    I'm thinking they should ring the greens with dozens of cameras so they can give us a Matrix-style 360 view while the putt is on the way to the hole.




    I think with AI and some of the processing technologies, this may be doable without the dozens of cameras. It may not work in real time, but a slightly delayed hawkeye view should be possible. I can foresee in a few years time the ability to choose your viewing angle.
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  • Swisstrader98Swisstrader98 Advanced Members Posts: 3,468 ✭✭
    I’m suggesting we go with embedded microchips within each ball that contains a camera. This would give new meaning to the phrase “be the ball” cuz not just for putts, but on drives and approach shots, you could literally feel like you are the ball.
  • HoosierMizunoHoosierMizuno Advanced Members Posts: 3,316 ✭✭
    http://www.pgatour.com/video/2018/02/11/larry-fitzgerald-s-long-birdie-putt-on-no--13-at-at-t-pebble-bea.html





    good thing the camera zoomed or i'm not sure i'd be able to tell if the ball went in the hole ...ha



    what was the caddy's reaction? larry's reaction? the fans? all eliminated when they zoom on a putt
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    http://www.pgatour.c...pebble-bea.html





    good thing the camera zoomed or i'm not sure i'd be able to tell if the ball went in the hole ...ha



    what was the caddy's reaction? larry Fitzgerald's reaction? the fans? all eliminated when they zoom on a putt




    Added some clarification for others who were worried you subjected them to a Larry the Cable Guy putt.
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  • HoosierMizunoHoosierMizuno Advanced Members Posts: 3,316 ✭✭
    another example but the producer at least quickly cuts back to tiger's reaction...most of the the time its few seconds after the initial reaction.



    but why cameramen feel the need to zoom in on putts? do viewers like this? am i wrong to want the view that doesn't eliminate player, caddy, and fans reaction?



    imagine a buzzer beater in march madness and all we get is a zoomed in shot of the ball going in the hoop. no fans, no players, no sidelines...better yet, imagine if every shot that went up in basketball the cameraman tried to zoom in on the ball. i just don't get it... . and yes....hurry up spring.



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  • kyleluteskylelutes Members Posts: 56 ✭✭
    Love the worm cam.
  • Lagavulin62Lagavulin62 Advanced Members Posts: 1,889
    I’m in the stop zooming camp. I think it’s most distracting when you only see the face of the one being interviewed. I think most prefer to see two people in an interview. Closeups have a way of making one feel they are missing something. It’s the broadcasters saying this is the only thing worth watching.
  • DeeBee30DeeBee30 Advanced Members Posts: 275 ✭✭




    Have the players use a special ball with a camera mounted on top of the ball with opposite polarized magnets so that the camera mount floats over the ball, like BB-8 in Star Wars. This idea needs a little more work.




    Yeah, THIS is the idea that needs a little work. Pop-up holecam, no problem. I like your creativity, though.
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  • DeeBee30DeeBee30 Advanced Members Posts: 275 ✭✭


    another example but the producer at least quickly cuts back to tiger's reaction...most of the the time its few seconds after the initial reaction.



    but why cameramen feel the need to zoom in on putts? do viewers like this? am i wrong to want the view that doesn't eliminate player, caddy, and fans reaction?



    imagine a buzzer beater in march madness and all we get is a zoomed in shot of the ball going in the hoop. no fans, no players, no sidelines...better yet, imagine if every shot that went up in basketball the cameraman tried to zoom in on the ball. i just don't get it... . and yes....hurry up spring.



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    Totally agree with all of this, as well as the post about showing the worm-cam view from opposite the player. It's as if people who produce golf on TV don't ever WATCH golf on TV. Showing the player//caddie/fan reaction makes it feel more like you're there. They'll show it on replay sometimes where they have eleventy-seven cameras set up, including the blimp, but they really should show (1) putt inline, then (2) immediately cut to the best wide camera view of player and caddie, with the crowd in the background.
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  • MidwestGolfBumMidwestGolfBum Advanced Members Posts: 1,260 ✭✭


    I'm in the stop zooming camp. I think it's most distracting when you only see the face of the one being interviewed. I think most prefer to see two people in an interview. Closeups have a way of making one feel they are missing something. It's the broadcasters saying this is the only thing worth watching.




    As the No Laying Up guys regularly say, the producers are the "Keepers of the Take". They show you what they want to show you, what they think is interesting, and what they deem as important. There have been several events where they hardly show any shots outside of the last group, even if the winner isn't coming from that group. Until people become vocal enough and ratings take a big enough hit, nothing is going to change.
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  • Lagavulin62Lagavulin62 Advanced Members Posts: 1,889



    I'm in the stop zooming camp. I think it's most distracting when you only see the face of the one being interviewed. I think most prefer to see two people in an interview. Closeups have a way of making one feel they are missing something. It's the broadcasters saying this is the only thing worth watching.




    As the No Laying Up guys regularly say, the producers are the "Keepers of the Take". They show you what they want to show you, what they think is interesting, and what they deem as important. There have been several events where they hardly show any shots outside of the last group, even if the winner isn't coming from that group. Until people become vocal enough and ratings take a big enough hit, nothing is going to change.






    Well said.
  • HoosierMizunoHoosierMizuno Advanced Members Posts: 3,316 ✭✭




    I'm in the stop zooming camp. I think it's most distracting when you only see the face of the one being interviewed. I think most prefer to see two people in an interview. Closeups have a way of making one feel they are missing something. It's the broadcasters saying this is the only thing worth watching.




    As the No Laying Up guys regularly say, the producers are the "Keepers of the Take". They show you what they want to show you, what they think is interesting, and what they deem as important. There have been several events where they hardly show any shots outside of the last group, even if the winner isn't coming from that group. Until people become vocal enough and ratings take a big enough hit, nothing is going to change.






    Well said.




    who's patting these producers backs and telling them great job while the rest of the golfing world is complaining about how awful golf's tv coverage is?
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  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Advanced Members Posts: 11,364 ✭✭
    The worst part of golf:



    1. Over-excited announcers .. ie Dan Hicks and Jimmy Roberts



    2. Showing us leaders tap in 18" putts



    SHOW US MORE SHOTS FROM MORE OF THE FIELD



    This happens at Augusta every year. Somebody is out front gets near the lead and you've seen not a single shot from them all day, but lets show the leaders walking to the tee ..arggghhhh
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    I'm in the stop zooming camp. I think it's most distracting when you only see the face of the one being interviewed. I think most prefer to see two people in an interview. Closeups have a way of making one feel they are missing something. It's the broadcasters saying this is the only thing worth watching.




    As the No Laying Up guys regularly say, the producers are the "Keepers of the Take". They show you what they want to show you, what they think is interesting, and what they deem as important. There have been several events where they hardly show any shots outside of the last group, even if the winner isn't coming from that group. Until people become vocal enough and ratings take a big enough hit, nothing is going to change.






    Well said.




    who's patting these producers backs and telling them great job while the rest of the golfing world is complaining about how awful golf's tv coverage is?




    Ratings don't really drop much, at least what I have seen in a quick search. Because they don't they get the feeling that what they are doing is working. Also, we at WRX, are far from the average viewer of golf tournaments. Most people watching know only the big names or guys that have some story that can be told, beyond that they are "just another golfer".



    It would certainly be interesting to hear why we are shown 18" putts, limited players, etc. for most of events. Getting to see far more where the guys are hitting shots from anywhere but off the tee and on or around the greens would be wonderful. I get that, that means you have to have more cameras and more people to operate them, which costs money, but it gives a better product, IMHO.
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  • nohny nokenohny noke Advanced Members Posts: 2,048 ✭✭
    How do they get the camera to stay on the worm? Them things be slimy.
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    Love it. Really shows the quality of thengreens too.
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