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My Experience Gaming Blades as a Mid-High Handicapper

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  • bub72ckbub72ck Advanced Members Posts: 2,439 ✭✭


    Whenever I have my CB 501s in the bag I feel my ball striking getting better, mainly off the feedback. But the AP2s off the toe/heel or even thin just get so much closer to the flag.



    Not sure why handicap keeps being brought up in threads like these. Generally a 20 handicapper (for argument sake) shouldn't be playing blades... But what if he has a terrible short game and is horrible with the driver? What if he hits the blades pure? Why wouldn't be be gaming them? Ball striking and handicap do go hand and hand to a certain degree, but they're not a 1:1 relation. Good ball striking does not equal low scores, nor does poor ball striking equate to poor scores.



    The last 3-4 years I've struggled with ball striking and still got down to as low as a 3 handicap at one very brief point. Mostly hovering last year around 4-5. My short game makes up for my misses. But there are people who are on the opposite end of the spectrum.




    Two great points here! I do disagree with the first one though. There is 0% chance a 20 handicapper is puring much of anything much less blades. And, even less on a consistent basis. Unless your definition of pure is very liberal it's not possible. Your driver and short game is so underdeveloped that your handicap is 20 and you can pure blade irons? No Way



    I do really like an honest assessment of your game down to a 3 handicap. A struggle with ball striking at a 3 is much more realistic than saying the only problem at 15 is short game. I think you are WAY more likely to be a 3 and struggle (by your definition) with ball striking than be a 15 and say all of your issues are in your short game.
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  • balls_deepballs_deep Advanced Members Posts: 360 ✭✭
    bub72ck wrote:



    Whenever I have my CB 501s in the bag I feel my ball striking getting better, mainly off the feedback. But the AP2s off the toe/heel or even thin just get so much closer to the flag.



    Not sure why handicap keeps being brought up in threads like these. Generally a 20 handicapper (for argument sake) shouldn't be playing blades... But what if he has a terrible short game and is horrible with the driver? What if he hits the blades pure? Why wouldn't be be gaming them? Ball striking and handicap do go hand and hand to a certain degree, but they're not a 1:1 relation. Good ball striking does not equal low scores, nor does poor ball striking equate to poor scores.



    The last 3-4 years I've struggled with ball striking and still got down to as low as a 3 handicap at one very brief point. Mostly hovering last year around 4-5. My short game makes up for my misses. But there are people who are on the opposite end of the spectrum.




    Two great points here! I do disagree with the first one though. There is 0% chance a 20 handicapper is puring much of anything much less blades. And, even less on a consistent basis. Unless your definition of pure is very liberal it's not possible. Your driver and short game is so underdeveloped that your handicap is 20 and you can pure blade irons? No Way



    I do really like an honest assessment of your game down to a 3 handicap. A struggle with ball striking at a 3 is much more realistic than saying the only problem at 15 is short game. I think you are WAY more likely to be a 3 and struggle (by your definition) with ball striking than be a 15 and say all of your issues are in your short game.




    Concur. See it all the time - especially on reddit. "I'm a mid cap but I just can't putt". No. If you have a game with your irons you have a game in general. I thought I was hitting the ball well when I was a 15 as well. Turns out I wasn't. Chipping is not hard. Practice putting enough and you can 2 putt most of the time and 1 putt sometimes. Hitting one pure iron strike per round isn't having a good long game either. I guarantee you that JoeJoe's "mishits" are probably OPs "pures".
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  • BiggErnBiggErn Advanced Members Posts: 2,001 ✭✭
    Lol. You guys are asking for it. There’s some world class ball strikers on here that just can’t drive, chip, or putt.
  • balls_deepballs_deep Advanced Members Posts: 360 ✭✭
    BiggErn wrote:


    Lol. You guys are asking for it. There’s some world class ball strikers on here that just can’t drive, chip, or putt.




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  • bub72ckbub72ck Advanced Members Posts: 2,439 ✭✭
    edited March 14
    balls_deep wrote:

    bub72ck wrote:



    Whenever I have my CB 501s in the bag I feel my ball striking getting better, mainly off the feedback. But the AP2s off the toe/heel or even thin just get so much closer to the flag.



    Not sure why handicap keeps being brought up in threads like these. Generally a 20 handicapper (for argument sake) shouldn't be playing blades... But what if he has a terrible short game and is horrible with the driver? What if he hits the blades pure? Why wouldn't be be gaming them? Ball striking and handicap do go hand and hand to a certain degree, but they're not a 1:1 relation. Good ball striking does not equal low scores, nor does poor ball striking equate to poor scores.



    The last 3-4 years I've struggled with ball striking and still got down to as low as a 3 handicap at one very brief point. Mostly hovering last year around 4-5. My short game makes up for my misses. But there are people who are on the opposite end of the spectrum.




    Two great points here! I do disagree with the first one though. There is 0% chance a 20 handicapper is puring much of anything much less blades. And, even less on a consistent basis. Unless your definition of pure is very liberal it's not possible. Your driver and short game is so underdeveloped that your handicap is 20 and you can pure blade irons? No Way



    I do really like an honest assessment of your game down to a 3 handicap. A struggle with ball striking at a 3 is much more realistic than saying the only problem at 15 is short game. I think you are WAY more likely to be a 3 and struggle (by your definition) with ball striking than be a 15 and say all of your issues are in your short game.




    Concur. See it all the time - especially on reddit. "I'm a mid cap but I just can't putt". No. If you have a game with your irons you have a game in general. I thought I was hitting the ball well when I was a 15 as well. Turns out I wasn't. Chipping is not hard. Practice putting enough and you can 2 putt most of the time and 1 putt sometimes. Hitting one pure iron strike per round isn't having a good long game either. I guarantee you that JoeJoe's "mishits" are probably OPs "pures".




    You're correct but it's more than just chipping is easy IMO. As handicaps go down and skill (and expectations) go up, every missed GIR that you don't make par hurts you more. Moving from a 15 to a 14 handicap is not the same thing as going from a 5 to a 4, just as going from a 5 to a 4 for isn't the same as +1 to +2. There is a lot more successful scoring required as your handicap gets lower. Putting is the same. So is GIR. You have do to all of those things proportionally better to lower your handicap and much more consistently as your handicap gets better.



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  • MelloYelloMelloYello Advanced Members Posts: 2,900 ✭✭


    ...But what if he has a terrible short game and is horrible with the driver?




    Then he should probably give up golf because he's also a terrible iron player--he just hasn't realized it yet, LOL.





    Seriously though, it's one thing to impress yourself by hitting a blade 7-iron decently on the range when you expect it to be impossibly difficult. Virtually everyone does that. It's short. It has loft. It's not going to go that far off-line because it's a 7-iron. And it'll get up as long as you don't chunk it! image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    But being a legitimately strong iron player (someone who's good enough to make real use of blades) is a lot more than simply being able to make decent contact and avoid disastrously embarrassing shots when they're beating balls. The handicap system is not a perfect, but it's a darn good indicator of how much someone is able to control their swing and produce the various shots golf demands: drives, approaches, pitches, putts, etc.



    If someone is indeed "horrible" with their driver it's undoubtedly because of swing faults they've yet to figure out. And because those faults are yet to be figured out, they most assuredly still exist everywhere in their game. Mistakes will be made with clubs throughout the bag. They are not club-specific. People only believe they're decent iron players because they don't necessarily chunk their 7-iron. But standing in the fairway with that 7 only to miss the green is worse than most mid-handicappers realize.



    To pretend it's possible to be great with the irons yet incompetent with the wedge and the driver is just naive.



    I read these comments about mid-handicappers claiming to be snowflakes all the time--I used to be that guy. I've only come to realize it's silly and untrue. We've all played golf. We've seen every type there is. There are no secrets. There's no fooling anyone.



    Besides some players being longer than others, there's nothing special about any 15-handicap. Let's not go down this road where everyone's game is totally unique to them and they're immune to criticism. Yeah, some guys are marginally better off the tee or on the greens but that's not enough to explain it all.
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  • vanyavanya Advanced Members Posts: 99 ✭✭
    edited March 14
    Play what you enjoy IMO.



    That said, as a UK scr / 1 handicap & a pretty good ball striker for that level I know that using say Ping i210 type of heads puts me in a much better position with my slight mishits than a pure blade does. On that basis ( I care about my scores) I use chunkier clubs. My misses are toe hits, pure blades are horrible to those misses.



    I've often thought about this and I reckon there is a handicap point where it makes no real difference I.e. If you are a 20+ handicapper as the marginal forgiveness gains of a more GI club don't really help most of the junk strikes you are likely to have thrown at them.... Front edge of green v front bunker is a big gain for me, 10 yards short v 15 yards short doesn't really matter to the average high h/cap.
  • nsxguynsxguy FloridaAdvanced Members Posts: 4,861 ✭✭
    BiggErn wrote:


    Lol. You guys are asking for it. There’s some world class ball strikers on here that just can’t drive, chip, or putt.




    LOL



    On Tour ? On here ? Go ahead, name a few of them. image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />



    The thing is that all this stuff is relative. The worst putters/chippers on Tour are miles ahead of some terrific amateurs I've seen. Are some high level amateurs Tour Standard ? Yeah, probably.



    I personally have never seen an "8" (out of 10) ball striker that was a "2" putter and short game. I've seen an 8 iron player who was a 6 driver or a 6 putter & short game. But never so disparate as 8/2 unless there was a physical ailment involved.



    I HAVE seen a 3/4 ball striker who was an 8 p&sg but the reason for this is obvious. One can practice chipping in their back yard for hours a day. One can practice putting in their living room for hours a day. One cannot so easily practice their "ball striking". image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
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  • bodhi555bodhi555 Advanced Members Posts: 664 ✭✭
    nsxguy wrote:

    bodhi555 wrote:


    Sorry to disturb you up there on your high horse, but I have a slight issue with your maths, which kind of makes most of the rest of your post irrelevant. If someone is hitting 6 GIR and 2 putting, then if the rest involve a chip and 2 putts then they are playing to 12. Assuming Par 72 that's an 84, then it only takes a couple of balls in the drink or OB and you're shooting 87. So basically, the OP is getting grief for not accounting for 3 shots. Over 4 hours of golf.



    Also a bit ironic that you accuse people of not knowing their games, yet when people post actual stats from recent games they don;t count for some spurious reason - oh yes, because the CB's were rentals. Even though they were set up in the same way as every set of irons that golfer has used (off the rack). Plus, if MB's are as impossible to use as some people think, AP2's should be easy to adjust to and get instant results from. So whilst hitting one less GIR is to be expected, hitting 4 less? In the context of a thread discussing whether easier irons to hit will improve your GIR, that sounds fairly pertinent, no?



    I look at games with rentals as Try Before you Buy opportunities (and it's worked, I'm about to go buy an 818 H2 based on the one I borrowed at the same time), and based on the experience I had, I have no interest in trying AP2's for a season to see if I magically hit an additional green a round at the end of it. I'd rather improve my current swing and do that with the VR Pros. As, being blades, they encourage me to practice more image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />




    Talk about irony. Sorry you feel that someone with a different opinion than yours is on their "high horse". Are you on yours ? image/blink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />



    As psg has already corrected your "maths", I won't bother much but at 84, especially from most CR/slopes I've seen that 12 would be more of an 8, not to mention that I don't think I've seen anybody that plays with any frequency and who can hit 6 GIRS, go 0 for 12 at getting up and down. Almost by mistake they're going to get a few up and down.



    Suffice it to say though, I saw you are in the UK and CONGU and USGA handicapping are not directly comparable. Next January we won't have that problem.



    As for trying before buying, by all means. Clubs are expensive. I would expect to try and buy. But to me, you sounded as if you were concluding the CBs were no good because you only hit 22% of greens in ONE round. That is ridiculous. If I misread your "conclusion", I apologize.



    And if blades encourage you to practice more, IMO, there's something wrong with your attitude towards the game. The game, and trying to improve at it, should want to make you practice more; not the clubs you play with. Just one person's opinion. image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />




    I never suggested CB's were no good in the slightest - in the context of the discussion that moving to cavities could gain you an extra GIR or two, I merely pointed out from my experience, for my game and the way I hit the ball that isn't the case. I have no doubt that if I struggled to launch the ball the AP2's would knock my VR Pro's into a cocked hat, but I don't - I have the opposite problem. Someone mentioned earlier they'd never heard of anyone wanting to hit a 4 iron lower? Well I'm that guy image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> I play in the wind and on the Links a lot, so the lower more penetrating flight from a MB is preferable for me. What I lose on mishits (less than suggested on this thread for me) I gain in keeping control of the ball in windy conditions. Swings and roundabouts imo.



    Anyway my point of the maths lesson was that over 18 holes if you have 6 GIR and 0 up and downs then shooting around 87 isn't entirely implausable, and 30 years playing this game has taught me that anything is possible. However I did also say that it would need an OOB or two, so I do also agree that the OP probably has a couple of other issues at play. Got to say I like this US system though - it sounds like I can play off 8 and still shoot 87 without having .1 added image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    Sadly this is all distracting from the point of the thread, so all I can say OP is enjoy the new sticks - they may be a phase, or they could turn out to be all you'll ever play. As you say, it will be fun finding out.



    Oh, and get some short game lessons - with that swing speed and alleged GIR percentage, throw in a decent short game and you could be dangerous.
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  • nsxguynsxguy FloridaAdvanced Members Posts: 4,861 ✭✭
    MelloYello wrote:



    ...But what if he has a terrible short game and is horrible with the driver?




    Then he should probably give up golf because he's also a terrible iron player--he just hasn't realized it yet, LOL.





    Seriously though, it's one thing to impress yourself by hitting a blade 7-iron decently on the range when you expect it to be impossibly difficult. Virtually everyone does that. It's short. It has loft. It's not going to go that far off-line because it's a 7-iron. And it'll get up as long as you don't chunk it! image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    But being a legitimately strong iron player (someone who's good enough to make real use of blades) is a lot more than simply being able to make decent contact and avoid disastrously embarrassing shots when they're beating balls. The handicap system is not a perfect, but it's a darn good indicator of how much someone is able to control their swing and produce the various shots golf demands: drives, approaches, pitches, putts, etc.



    If someone is indeed "horrible" with their driver it's undoubtedly because of swing faults they've yet to figure out. And because those faults are yet to be figured out, they most assuredly still exist everywhere in their game. Mistakes will be made with clubs throughout the bag. They are not club-specific. People only believe they're decent iron players because they don't necessarily chunk their 7-iron. But standing in the fairway with that 7 only to miss the green is worse than most mid-handicappers realize.



    To pretend it's possible to be great with the irons yet incompetent with the wedge and the driver is just naive.



    I read these comments about mid-handicappers claiming to be snowflakes all the time--I used to be that guy. I've only come to realize it's silly and untrue. We've all played golf. We've seen every type there is. There are no secrets. There's no fooling anyone.



    Besides some players being longer than others, there's nothing special about any 15-handicap. Let's not go down this road where everyone's game is totally unique to them and they're immune to criticism. Yeah, some guys are marginally better off the tee or on the greens but that's not enough to explain it all.




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  • nsxguynsxguy FloridaAdvanced Members Posts: 4,861 ✭✭
    bodhi555 wrote:




    Luckily I keep a track on my stats through 18 Birdies, and they certainly are enlightening if we are talking GIR. My average GIR over the last 10 rounds is 48.9%, yet the two rounds I have played in those with CB's (Rentals, same loft/lie as mine, S300 vs S400) are coming in at 44.3% and (incredibly) 22.2%. One course was the first time I'd played it, the lower number I've played a few times now - and 18 Birdies rates them both as easier than the one I play at home. So the data I have, on my game, suggests I hit more greens with my irons than I do with something "easier to hit".



    This is why my advice with blades is always to try them and see how you get on. They don't work for everyone, but if they do, they are well worth the effort.





    bodhi555 wrote:




    I never suggested CB's were no good in the slightest - in the context of the discussion that moving to cavities could gain you an extra GIR or two, I merely pointed out from my experience, for my game and the way I hit the ball that isn't the case. I have no doubt that if I struggled to launch the ball the AP2's would knock my VR Pro's into a cocked hat, but I don't - I have the opposite problem. Someone mentioned earlier they'd never heard of anyone wanting to hit a 4 iron lower? Well I'm that guy image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> I play in the wind and on the Links a lot, so the lower more penetrating flight from a MB is preferable for me. What I lose on mishits (less than suggested on this thread for me) I gain in keeping control of the ball in windy conditions. Swings and roundabouts imo.




    My friend, I never said you did say that CBs were "no good in the slightest".



    I quoted up top what you originally said.



    You appear to have judged that CBs were no good for YOUR game after ONLY "2 rounds with rentals". 22% "incredibly" ???



    Do you really think that because the CB rentals "spec'd" the same you should hit them the same ? Swing them the same ? They should "feel" the same ? No time getting used to them ? Didn't they "swing differently" ? Or did they "feel" exactly like your blades while you were swinging them ? I'm thinking probably not.



    I hit around the same number as greens as you do (9) (in your last 10 anyway) and I've had rounds where I've hit only 3 or 4 GIRS on a bad day with my OWN clubs. image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> Does that mean I should dump them ?



    And CBs are not (only) about hitting a couple of more greens; it's also about the proximity to the hole. The closer you get the more likely you'll 3 putt less and 1 putt more. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    But I'll say it one more time. Everybody should play whatever they want for whatever reason(s) they want. image/hi.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':hi:' />
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  • gibbyfangibbyfan Advanced Members Posts: 1,180 ✭✭
    There are so many variables to this thread that it is laughable. First, I am sure there are a tremendous amount of members here that are absolutely amazing ball stickers. Then there is a camp of people that feel that club choice should be based off of handicap. That is a terrible stereotype. Second, a 3 at one course or club is not the same at another. Duh! Just because he is a mid-handicap should have no baring. He may play at a really difficult track.

    Also, since you are on Wrx you are fully aware that certain spec/grinds benefit other players better than some. I know that first hand. I went to the Apex pro last year and could not control the distance gaps. I went back to more of a traditional players cavity this season( and in limited time playing) I am seeing the ability to control flight and distance again. Something that was lacking all last year. I am not sure if I have the All around game to play them, but signs are showing promise. To the OP, thank you for sharing your experience. It is a reminder to all that this is a game and games should be fun. If your fun is the struggle to hit quality shots, then so be it. If others version of fun is to shoot the lowest scores then get fit and get after it. Don't begrudge another because they wanted to try something different and brings him joy.
  • JoeJoeJoeUrBoatJoeJoeJoeUrBoat Advanced Members Posts: 686 ✭✭
    edited March 14
    bub72ck wrote:



    Whenever I have my CB 501s in the bag I feel my ball striking getting better, mainly off the feedback. But the AP2s off the toe/heel or even thin just get so much closer to the flag.



    Not sure why handicap keeps being brought up in threads like these. Generally a 20 handicapper (for argument sake) shouldn't be playing blades... But what if he has a terrible short game and is horrible with the driver? What if he hits the blades pure? Why wouldn't be be gaming them? Ball striking and handicap do go hand and hand to a certain degree, but they're not a 1:1 relation. Good ball striking does not equal low scores, nor does poor ball striking equate to poor scores.



    The last 3-4 years I've struggled with ball striking and still got down to as low as a 3 handicap at one very brief point. Mostly hovering last year around 4-5. My short game makes up for my misses. But there are people who are on the opposite end of the spectrum.




    Two great points here! I do disagree with the first one though. There is 0% chance a 20 handicapper is puring much of anything much less blades. And, even less on a consistent basis. Unless your definition of pure is very liberal it's not possible. Your driver and short game is so underdeveloped that your handicap is 20 and you can pure blade irons? No Way



    I do really like an honest assessment of your game down to a 3 handicap. A struggle with ball striking at a 3 is much more realistic than saying the only problem at 15 is short game. I think you are WAY more likely to be a 3 and struggle (by your definition) with ball striking than be a 15 and say all of your issues are in your short game.




    Just because you make good contact with the ball doesn't mean you hit a good shot, in terms of scoring. You could pure a ball 20 yards to the right or left. You could pure a ball 20 yards over the green or short of the green if you don't have your distances dialled in. It's not all about the contact, it's your line and distance. That's the point I'm trying to make. Although the "20 handicapper playing blades" isn't extremely likely, it's not impossible.



    My ball striking issues are not tops or shanks or hooks or anything of that nature. There's no way I could get down to a 3 that way. Low greens in regulation are my struggles. Shots slightly off the toe and missing short and left. Slightly chunkier shots in the long irons from time to time. But my chipping has improved dramatically because I'm typically 3-4 yards off the green so I'm always hitting those delicate shots. I have no problem opening my face and flopping off a tight lie with little to no green to work with. I put myself in those situations a lot, so those shots come natural to me.



    Could I play blades? Sure. But all they're going to do is exaggerate those slight misses I already have with a players iron that already has help.
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  • balls_deepballs_deep Advanced Members Posts: 360 ✭✭
    gibbyfan wrote:


    There are so many variables to this thread that it is laughable. First, I am sure there are a tremendous amount of members here that are absolutely amazing ball stickers. Then there is a camp of people that feel that club choice should be based off of handicap. That is a terrible stereotype. Second, a 3 at one course or club is not the same at another. Duh! Just because he is a mid-handicap should have no baring. He may play at a really difficult track.

    Also, since you are on Wrx you are fully aware that certain spec/grinds benefit other players better than some. I know that first hand. I went to the Apex pro last year and could not control the distance gaps. I went back to more of a traditional players cavity this season( and in limited time playing) I am seeing the ability to control flight and distance again. Something that was lacking all last year. I am not sure if I have the All around game to play them, but signs are showing promise. To the OP, thank you for sharing your experience. It is a reminder to all that this is a game and games should be fun. If your fun is the struggle to hit quality shots, then so be it. If others version of fun is to shoot the lowest scores then get fit and get after it. Don't begrudge another because they wanted to try something different and brings him joy.






    The whole point of the HC rating system course rating/slope is so that your scoring relative to the course is taken into consideration - what are you evening trying to say? Of course some clubs are going to feel more comfortable than others - golf is about feels and comfortability with your clubs. If OP likes his clubs then great. No chance miss hitting an MP18 is helping him more than if he was miss hitting a 919 Forged or something else Mizuno makes. I guarantee you he would score better with a cavity. Guarantee.
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  • lenman73lenman73 Advanced Members Posts: 764 ✭✭
    I am curious about the difference or if there is one in the age demographic with people who think hitting a blade is no big deal and those that liken it to trying to find the holy grail. Some of us grew up with equipment before the technological revolution and some after and that is all they know. I have used both.



    I am 46 fwiw.
  • fpyle3fpyle3 Members Posts: 71 ✭✭
    Play what you enjoy hitting and enjoy having in your bag. Simple as that. I do not think the OP is necessarily poo-pooing the difference in forgiveness between GI irons and blades. What he is saying is that he perceives that his new clubs are allowing him to hit the center of the face more often. Perhaps as a bonus, having blades in the bag will inspire him to practice more or practice smarter, finding enjoyment out of hitting his new irons.
    Driver: TaylorMade M3 9.5*, Graphite Design Tour AD GP6x
    Fairway Wood: Titleist TS3, 13.5*, A1, PX Evenflow White T1100 6.5 [use more tee shots] // TM M1 2017 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD MT7x [use more fairway shots]
    Hybrid/Driving Iron: Titleist 818 H2 19*, D1, PX Evenflow Black HC 6.5 [use more fairway] // TM P790 UDI 17*, PX Hzrdus Black 6.5 [use more tee]
    4 Iron: TM P790, Nippon Modus 120X
    5 - PW: Miura CB57, Nippon Modus 120X // Srixon Z945, Nippon Modus 120X
    Gap: Miura 1957 Y grind 49* (bent 50*), Nippon Modus 120X
    Sand/Lob: Titleist SM7 54M (bent 55*) and 60D, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge [normal, soft course] // Bettinardi H2 54* (bent 55*) and 60*, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge [firm course]
    Putter: Toulon Portland H3, Flat Cat Tak // Evnroll ER5, Garsen Quad Tour Proto
    Ball: Titleist ProV1 [normal, fast course] // Titleist AVX [cold, high wind, wet course]
  • fpyle3fpyle3 Members Posts: 71 ✭✭
    lenman73 wrote:


    I am curious about the difference or if there is one in the age demographic with people who think hitting a blade is no big deal and those that liken it to trying to find the holy grail. Some of us grew up with equipment before the technological revolution and some after and that is all they know. I have used both.



    I am 46 fwiw.




    37, and no big deal. First set of hand me down irons were blades, learned how to play with them. Tried some of the more forgiving offerings that came down the pike (Cally X- Pro Series, etc.), and settled on a set of Mizuno Pro IIs that I used through late high school and college. The Pro IIs were probably harder to hit than any blade I've tried in the past 5-6 years.
    Driver: TaylorMade M3 9.5*, Graphite Design Tour AD GP6x
    Fairway Wood: Titleist TS3, 13.5*, A1, PX Evenflow White T1100 6.5 [use more tee shots] // TM M1 2017 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD MT7x [use more fairway shots]
    Hybrid/Driving Iron: Titleist 818 H2 19*, D1, PX Evenflow Black HC 6.5 [use more fairway] // TM P790 UDI 17*, PX Hzrdus Black 6.5 [use more tee]
    4 Iron: TM P790, Nippon Modus 120X
    5 - PW: Miura CB57, Nippon Modus 120X // Srixon Z945, Nippon Modus 120X
    Gap: Miura 1957 Y grind 49* (bent 50*), Nippon Modus 120X
    Sand/Lob: Titleist SM7 54M (bent 55*) and 60D, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge [normal, soft course] // Bettinardi H2 54* (bent 55*) and 60*, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge [firm course]
    Putter: Toulon Portland H3, Flat Cat Tak // Evnroll ER5, Garsen Quad Tour Proto
    Ball: Titleist ProV1 [normal, fast course] // Titleist AVX [cold, high wind, wet course]
  • EllaRose909EllaRose909 Members Posts: 4
    I have seen many good low handicap golfers that are very poor from 40 yards in. To me it is all about the scoring and how you manage the course. You can have swiing speed of 110 mph with the driver and 95mph with a seven iron, if you have no close in game, your overall game is deficient. When ever I practice, the first 30-45 minutes are spent on chipping and 50 yards in. To be a good complete golfer short game and putting is a must. I would suggest tucking your ego in your back pock forget about how fast you swing and concentrate on your short game your scores will drop and you handicap will as well. When asked about his practice routine Dustin Johnson said 60-80% on short game. The balance on the rest of the clubs.

    Play well!
  • smithy23smithy23 Members Posts: 1
    First post be gentle pls ....



    Fair play to OP absolutely beauts of some irons and this has certainly given me some light reading at work !



    Im a 12 HCP lowest ive been was 11 but have been a tinkerman club wise.



    Originally gamed some MP60's (sold em to a mate massive mistake) and got some CB714's , thought hmmm not as nice as my old mp60s handicap going up perhaps some GI's would help cue some 716 AP2's hated them to me felt so clunky.



    Went the polar opposite with a set of Srixon Z765 and 965 combos 765 - 4-6 965 7-PW



    Absolutely gorgeous looking irons but realised for me the blades were just hurting my score and whilst i love the look thats what i want to improve.



    Finally settled on set of JPX900 Tours , love the look like the feel and inspire a bit of confidence and i think i feel more comfortable knowing im not at a disadvantage at my level with all out blades,



    For me its finding a balance where marginal gains help me out to get better, ive done a few custom fits my lofts are all weak and im 2* up lie wise , but the only thing i think you missed in your original post was to anyone looking at blades is to try anything and everything you can and not be afraid of them if that guy/gal feels they are the one for them.



    Like everyone says golf is hard .... so make sure your having fun with it !



    Apologies if you did tell all to try everything but it was 6 pages ago !
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  • bub72ckbub72ck Advanced Members Posts: 2,439 ✭✭

    bub72ck wrote:



    Whenever I have my CB 501s in the bag I feel my ball striking getting better, mainly off the feedback. But the AP2s off the toe/heel or even thin just get so much closer to the flag.



    Not sure why handicap keeps being brought up in threads like these. Generally a 20 handicapper (for argument sake) shouldn't be playing blades... But what if he has a terrible short game and is horrible with the driver? What if he hits the blades pure? Why wouldn't be be gaming them? Ball striking and handicap do go hand and hand to a certain degree, but they're not a 1:1 relation. Good ball striking does not equal low scores, nor does poor ball striking equate to poor scores.



    The last 3-4 years I've struggled with ball striking and still got down to as low as a 3 handicap at one very brief point. Mostly hovering last year around 4-5. My short game makes up for my misses. But there are people who are on the opposite end of the spectrum.




    Two great points here! I do disagree with the first one though. There is 0% chance a 20 handicapper is puring much of anything much less blades. And, even less on a consistent basis. Unless your definition of pure is very liberal it's not possible. Your driver and short game is so underdeveloped that your handicap is 20 and you can pure blade irons? No Way



    I do really like an honest assessment of your game down to a 3 handicap. A struggle with ball striking at a 3 is much more realistic than saying the only problem at 15 is short game. I think you are WAY more likely to be a 3 and struggle (by your definition) with ball striking than be a 15 and say all of your issues are in your short game.




    Just because you make good contact with the ball doesn't mean you hit a good shot, in terms of scoring. You could pure a ball 20 yards to the right or left. You could pure a ball 20 yards over the green or short of the green if you don't have your distances dialled in. It's not all about the contact, it's your line and distance. That's the point I'm trying to make. Although the "20 handicapper playing blades" isn't extremely likely, it's not impossible.



    My ball striking issues are not tops or shanks or hooks or anything of that nature. There's no way I could get down to a 3 that way. Low greens in regulation are my struggles. Shots slightly off the toe and missing short and left. Slightly chunkier shots in the long irons from time to time. But my chipping has improved dramatically because I'm typically 3-4 yards off the green so I'm always hitting those delicate shots. I have no problem opening my face and flopping off a tight lie with little to no green to work with. I put myself in those situations a lot, so those shots come natural to me.



    Could I play blades? Sure. But all they're going to do is exaggerate those slight misses I already have with a players iron that already has help.




    I know you're not hitting that poor of shots. You can obviously play and play well at a 3 index. But, why are your GIRs low? Are you attacking too many pins?



    I always try to play to margins on most shots. If the pin is 155 that is between a full 8 and 9 for me. If the pin is in front I will hit the 8. If it's back I will hit 9. Something in the middle I may choose to be more aggressive and try to hit it close. Your chipping may be good but you need to get your GIR numbers up to get your scores to drop. Rounds where you are constantly having to save par are much more difficult to hold onto and definitely more taxing on you mentally.
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    Vokey SM5 50*, 54* and 60* TT DGS400
    SIK Pro Custom
  • bub72ckbub72ck Advanced Members Posts: 2,439 ✭✭
    lenman73 wrote:


    I am curious about the difference or if there is one in the age demographic with people who think hitting a blade is no big deal and those that liken it to trying to find the holy grail. Some of us grew up with equipment before the technological revolution and some after and that is all they know. I have used both.



    I am 46 fwiw.




    I'm 36 and played everything from Taylormade RAC LTs to Mizuno MP-29s. I think technology has made CBs more playable over the years as evidence by the number of pros who have taken blades out of the bag. If blades made that big of a difference, all the pros would still use them IMO. I don't know the % of PGA pros who use blades today, but I would guess it's 30% or less. The so-called "Players cavity back" is the most popular clubs among good ams and pros for a reason.
    Titleist TS3 9.5* Diamana S+ X
    Taylormade HFS Diamana Blue 83X
    Taylormade Rescue 09 TP Aldila XVS9
    Titleist 714 AP2 TT DGX100 4-PW
    Vokey SM5 50*, 54* and 60* TT DGS400
    SIK Pro Custom
  • Ripken08Ripken08 Advanced Members Posts: 4,236 ✭✭
    This is pretty laughable reading guys. Made me smile today.



    Bottom line is there is little perceivable "forgiveness" in club design and the difference is not significant Much of it is marketing hype. The swing determines the result much moreso than the club being used. No club is going to bail out a less than perfect swing.
  • BiggErnBiggErn Advanced Members Posts: 2,001 ✭✭
    Ripken08 wrote:
    This is pretty laughable reading guys. Made me smile today.



    Bottom line is there is little perceivable "forgiveness" in club design and the difference is not significant Much of it is marketing hype. The swing determines the result much moreso than the club being used. No club is going to bail out a less than perfect swing.




    Sounds like blade marketing to me.
  • AndusAndus Members Posts: 35 ✭✭
    edited March 14
    balls_deep wrote:

    gibbyfan wrote:


    There are so many variables to this thread that it is laughable. First, I am sure there are a tremendous amount of members here that are absolutely amazing ball stickers. Then there is a camp of people that feel that club choice should be based off of handicap. That is a terrible stereotype. Second, a 3 at one course or club is not the same at another. Duh! Just because he is a mid-handicap should have no baring. He may play at a really difficult track.

    Also, since you are on Wrx you are fully aware that certain spec/grinds benefit other players better than some. I know that first hand. I went to the Apex pro last year and could not control the distance gaps. I went back to more of a traditional players cavity this season( and in limited time playing) I am seeing the ability to control flight and distance again. Something that was lacking all last year. I am not sure if I have the All around game to play them, but signs are showing promise. To the OP, thank you for sharing your experience. It is a reminder to all that this is a game and games should be fun. If your fun is the struggle to hit quality shots, then so be it. If others version of fun is to shoot the lowest scores then get fit and get after it. Don't begrudge another because they wanted to try something different and brings him joy.






    The whole point of the HC rating system course rating/slope is so that your scoring relative to the course is taken into consideration - what are you evening trying to say? Of course some clubs are going to feel more comfortable than others - golf is about feels and comfortability with your clubs. If OP likes his clubs then great. No chance miss hitting an MP18 is helping him more than if he was miss hitting a 919 Forged or something else Mizuno makes. I guarantee you he would score better with a cavity. Guarantee.
    If you read through the replies, I was gaming JPX 900 HM prior to these, and my handicap has gone down. Guarantee.
  •  SwooshLT SwooshLT Advanced Members Posts: 6,927 ✭✭
    smithy23 wrote:


    First post be gentle pls ....



    Fair play to OP absolutely beauts of some irons and this has certainly given me some light reading at work !



    Im a 12 HCP lowest ive been was 11 but have been a tinkerman club wise.



    Originally gamed some MP60's (sold em to a mate massive mistake) and got some CB714's , thought hmmm not as nice as my old mp60s handicap going up perhaps some GI's would help cue some 716 AP2's hated them to me felt so clunky.



    Went the polar opposite with a set of Srixon Z765 and 965 combos 765 - 4-6 965 7-PW



    Absolutely gorgeous looking irons but realised for me the blades were just hurting my score and whilst i love the look thats what i want to improve.



    Finally settled on set of JPX900 Tours , love the look like the feel and inspire a bit of confidence and i think i feel more comfortable knowing im not at a disadvantage at my level with all out blades,



    For me its finding a balance where marginal gains help me out to get better, ive done a few custom fits my lofts are all weak and im 2* up lie wise , but the only thing i think you missed in your original post was to anyone looking at blades is to try anything and everything you can and not be afraid of them if that guy/gal feels they are the one for them.



    Like everyone says golf is hard .... so make sure your having fun with it !



    Apologies if you did tell all to try everything but it was 6 pages ago !






    Welcome and enjoy.....this place is awesome!
  • AndusAndus Members Posts: 35 ✭✭
    edited March 14
    smithy23 wrote:


    First post be gentle pls ....



    Fair play to OP absolutely beauts of some irons and this has certainly given me some light reading at work !



    Im a 12 HCP lowest ive been was 11 but have been a tinkerman club wise.



    Originally gamed some MP60's (sold em to a mate massive mistake) and got some CB714's , thought hmmm not as nice as my old mp60s handicap going up perhaps some GI's would help cue some 716 AP2's hated them to me felt so clunky.



    Went the polar opposite with a set of Srixon Z765 and 965 combos 765 - 4-6 965 7-PW



    Absolutely gorgeous looking irons but realised for me the blades were just hurting my score and whilst i love the look thats what i want to improve.



    Finally settled on set of JPX900 Tours , love the look like the feel and inspire a bit of confidence and i think i feel more comfortable knowing im not at a disadvantage at my level with all out blades,



    For me its finding a balance where marginal gains help me out to get better, ive done a few custom fits my lofts are all weak and im 2* up lie wise , but the only thing i think you missed in your original post was to anyone looking at blades is to try anything and everything you can and not be afraid of them if that guy/gal feels they are the one for them.



    Like everyone says golf is hard .... so make sure your having fun with it !



    Apologies if you did tell all to try everything but it was 6 pages ago !
    Welcome! This was one of my first posts too, I certainly got a warm welcoming to the forum... Maybe a bit warmer than I wanted lol.
  • LUMALUMA I Am My Greatest Downfall Advanced Members Posts: 2,345 ✭✭
    The op right now..



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  •  SwooshLT SwooshLT Advanced Members Posts: 6,927 ✭✭
    Andus wrote:

    smithy23 wrote:


    First post be gentle pls ....



    Fair play to OP absolutely beauts of some irons and this has certainly given me some light reading at work !



    Im a 12 HCP lowest ive been was 11 but have been a tinkerman club wise.



    Originally gamed some MP60's (sold em to a mate massive mistake) and got some CB714's , thought hmmm not as nice as my old mp60s handicap going up perhaps some GI's would help cue some 716 AP2's hated them to me felt so clunky.



    Went the polar opposite with a set of Srixon Z765 and 965 combos 765 - 4-6 965 7-PW



    Absolutely gorgeous looking irons but realised for me the blades were just hurting my score and whilst i love the look thats what i want to improve.



    Finally settled on set of JPX900 Tours , love the look like the feel and inspire a bit of confidence and i think i feel more comfortable knowing im not at a disadvantage at my level with all out blades,



    For me its finding a balance where marginal gains help me out to get better, ive done a few custom fits my lofts are all weak and im 2* up lie wise , but the only thing i think you missed in your original post was to anyone looking at blades is to try anything and everything you can and not be afraid of them if that guy/gal feels they are the one for them.



    Like everyone says golf is hard .... so make sure your having fun with it !



    Apologies if you did tell all to try everything but it was 6 pages ago !
    Welcome! This was one of my first posts too, I certainly got a warm welcoming to the forum... Maybe a bit warmer than I wanted lol.




    Take it in stride young man.....it's the internet! You enjoy your blades UNTIL you don't! When you get serious about scoring , get some lessons.....until then enjoy this great site!
  • balls_deepballs_deep Advanced Members Posts: 360 ✭✭
    Andus wrote:

    balls_deep wrote:

    gibbyfan wrote:


    There are so many variables to this thread that it is laughable. First, I am sure there are a tremendous amount of members here that are absolutely amazing ball stickers. Then there is a camp of people that feel that club choice should be based off of handicap. That is a terrible stereotype. Second, a 3 at one course or club is not the same at another. Duh! Just because he is a mid-handicap should have no baring. He may play at a really difficult track.

    Also, since you are on Wrx you are fully aware that certain spec/grinds benefit other players better than some. I know that first hand. I went to the Apex pro last year and could not control the distance gaps. I went back to more of a traditional players cavity this season( and in limited time playing) I am seeing the ability to control flight and distance again. Something that was lacking all last year. I am not sure if I have the All around game to play them, but signs are showing promise. To the OP, thank you for sharing your experience. It is a reminder to all that this is a game and games should be fun. If your fun is the struggle to hit quality shots, then so be it. If others version of fun is to shoot the lowest scores then get fit and get after it. Don't begrudge another because they wanted to try something different and brings him joy.






    The whole point of the HC rating system course rating/slope is so that your scoring relative to the course is taken into consideration - what are you evening trying to say? Of course some clubs are going to feel more comfortable than others - golf is about feels and comfortability with your clubs. If OP likes his clubs then great. No chance miss hitting an MP18 is helping him more than if he was miss hitting a 919 Forged or something else Mizuno makes. I guarantee you he would score better with a cavity. Guarantee.
    If you read through the replies, I was gaming JPX 900 HM prior to these, and my handicap has gone down. Guarantee.




    Mkay. Well I'm playing better with AP2 than I was with my old AP1 but that's due to working on my swing not the club. We are talking slight mishit results. They are better with perimeter weighting. I really don't care what you play. There's a reason pros often don't play full sets of blades anymore and many opt for combo sets. Enjoy fantasy land.
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  • arbeckarbeck SeattleAdvanced Members Posts: 317 ✭✭
    Ripken08 wrote:


    This is pretty laughable reading guys. Made me smile today.



    Bottom line is there is little perceivable "forgiveness" in club design and the difference is not significant Much of it is marketing hype. The swing determines the result much moreso than the club being used. No club is going to bail out a less than perfect swing.




    You can design a club with quite a bit of forgiveness if you want. It's just that people don't really understand what forgiveness is a lot of the time. You can use perimeter weighting to increase the MOI and make the club less likely to twist on off center hits. You can design a face with different characteristics across it such that ball speed remains fairly constant on hits that aren't in the center. You can put the weight down low to help increase the launch angel.



    But that's about all you can do.



    The biggest problem with GI clubs is that the companies mainly work on increasing ball speed and launch. That means that people with normal-ish swing speeds need to have their lofts lowered to keep the ball from going way too high. The less loft decreases forgiveness some and the lower loft decreases spin, which hurts consistency.



    What makes a "players cb" a good club for a lot of people is that they take the forgiving aspects of a GI club (consistent ball speed across the face, higher MOI, and higher launch) but don't try to maximize ball speed. That means they can keep the lofts the same (which makes them easier to hit) and helps consistency.
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  • chisagchisag Advanced Members Posts: 2,893 ✭✭
    BiggErn wrote:

    Ripken08 wrote:
    This is pretty laughable reading guys. Made me smile today.



    Bottom line is there is little perceivable "forgiveness" in club design and the difference is not significant Much of it is marketing hype. The swing determines the result much moreso than the club being used. No club is going to bail out a less than perfect swing.




    Sounds like blade marketing to me.




    ... With 1% of OEM sales going to MB's, even they don't market them. image/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> But this has been a real eye opener for me. I am heading out to play Papago in Phoenix where I usually shoot around par but now that I know how bad my Cobra Forged Tour irons are for my game I am expecting to shoot in the 90's. How can I concentrate now that I know my GI's can't even get thru the turf causing errant shots both right and left. They have a much lighter swing weight than MB's so now I also expect to have swing issues. My 5 iron is really a 6 iron so now I am unsure how far any shot will travel. But most importantly, I will be swinging out of my shoes because my GI's will mask any swing mistake I make OR simultaneously they aren't any more forgiving than MB's because forgiveness is all just marketing hype and I am destined to hit a poor shot with a slight mishit.



    ... And if that weren't enough to completely destroy my round today, I still have my P790 4 iron in the bag which I use several times a round and of course now I know it will just explode with a flyer 25yds over the green on a perfectly struck shot. If I didn't already have a tee time, I would just take up tennis again ... using an older smaller headed wooden racket of course.
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  • gibbyfangibbyfan Advanced Members Posts: 1,180 ✭✭
    balls_deep wrote:

    Andus wrote:

    balls_deep wrote:

    gibbyfan wrote:


    There are so many variables to this thread that it is laughable. First, I am sure there are a tremendous amount of members here that are absolutely amazing ball stickers. Then there is a camp of people that feel that club choice should be based off of handicap. That is a terrible stereotype. Second, a 3 at one course or club is not the same at another. Duh! Just because he is a mid-handicap should have no baring. He may play at a really difficult track.

    Also, since you are on Wrx you are fully aware that certain spec/grinds benefit other players better than some. I know that first hand. I went to the Apex pro last year and could not control the distance gaps. I went back to more of a traditional players cavity this season( and in limited time playing) I am seeing the ability to control flight and distance again. Something that was lacking all last year. I am not sure if I have the All around game to play them, but signs are showing promise. To the OP, thank you for sharing your experience. It is a reminder to all that this is a game and games should be fun. If your fun is the struggle to hit quality shots, then so be it. If others version of fun is to shoot the lowest scores then get fit and get after it. Don't begrudge another because they wanted to try something different and brings him joy.






    The whole point of the HC rating system course rating/slope is so that your scoring relative to the course is taken into consideration - what are you evening trying to say? Of course some clubs are going to feel more comfortable than others - golf is about feels and comfortability with your clubs. If OP likes his clubs then great. No chance miss hitting an MP18 is helping him more than if he was miss hitting a 919 Forged or something else Mizuno makes. I guarantee you he would score better with a cavity. Guarantee.
    If you read through the replies, I was gaming JPX 900 HM prior to these, and my handicap has gone down. Guarantee.




    Mkay. Well I'm playing better with AP2 than I was with my old AP1 but that's due to working on my swing not the club. We are talking slight mishit results. They are better with perimeter weighting. I really don't care what you play. There's a reason pros often don't play full sets of blades anymore and many opt for combo sets. Enjoy fantasy land.









    Sorry, I didn't write out my response as well as I intended. I was making a couple of connections. First is that handicap should not fully dictate your selection of clubs. My second point was that the OP characterized himself as a midcap. I was trying to state that handicap is very arbitrary when characterizing your game based off of the course you play. I live in the Chicago burbs. At my club, I am a 3 if I literally walk across the street to another club, I would need to play well to break 80 ( thus making me closer to a mid capper)



    As to your guarantee at the end of your post, then that is a pretty strong statement. We, as golfers( humans) have certain strengths and weaknesses. As a golfer, the OP, states that he is poor from 50 yards and in. Aside from 50 yards and in he very well might have poor course strategy... who knows.



    Comparing club choice based off of what is in a pro's bag is also a little off as well. Many play blades and many play mixed bags. They are also playing for an OEM which has a financial interest in what they are promoting. Furthermore professionals play on fast rock hard greens which requires a different type of landing and spin. So, making the connection that pros aren't all playing blades means that others shouldn't? Tiger, hits the driver all over the place.. should he be using 12* M6 with a blue board profile? No. he plays what he wants to play and the look he likes...same as the OP.
  • lenman73lenman73 Advanced Members Posts: 764 ✭✭
    It's amazing that golf survived for over 300 years before the ping eye 2 irons were released. Oh the horror..... I have real world concerns like health, work, future prosperity. Looking down at a 4 iron blade does not cause me the angst it does for some here apparently.
  • revanantrevanant Members Posts: 31 ✭✭
    I am actually going to put this into practice this season.



    As of today, I'm a 27 handicap. I first picked up a club 3 years ago. My second year, I didn't play much. Last season, I played nearly every weekend.



    In October, I moved to a building with a TrueGolf simulator, so I've been able to practice a lot during the off-season and during the week.



    My game took a big leap forward when I bought a Mizuno T-Zoid Pro 6 iron for practice, and found that the club improved my ability to find the center of irons very rapidly and efficiently. The highlight of my golf season last year was nailing my first true birdie via a good drive and a 7 iron that I stuck within 3 feet on a par 4, via an intentional draw with a T-Zoid Pro.



    Iron-wise, I have Mizuno MP-4s sitting in my bag. I practiced a bunch with them during the offseason, but haven't hit a real hole on real grass yet with them. That being said, since I was able to function pretty well with T-Zoids, I think turf interaction will be fine.



    I have hopes to drop 10 strokes from my handicap with continued practice. My theory is that the blades will help, rather than hurt, because they keep my misses from going long and offline, and they give me true feedback about when my swing is working and I'm making good contact.



    If I'm wrong, my investment was $280. But honestly, I find my misses with blades really aren't that bad, while my good shots feel amazing and are truly memorable. I play recreationally, and if I can walk out of a round with one or two great shots or memories, I count the day a great success. As a beginner who treats every round as practice and learning, I think blades are the right choice for me. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

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  • mwcallisonmwcallison Members Posts: 2
    It's your money, your time, and your game. Play whatever you want.



    The whole blades crowd is like a clique of high school girls that won't let anyone else sit at their lunch table.
  • farmerfarmer Advanced Members Posts: 7,714 ✭✭
    I'm 68 and learned to play with a late 60's set of Walter Hagen's I bought used from a friend of my Dad. Modern blades are a completely different animal than my old Haig's. The true old school blades had the cog close to the heel, modern ones have it more toward the center of the club. So, they are easier to play. I've now gone full circle and play hybrids through the 7. Love them. They are ugly, but efficient for my old body, with old guy loss of speed. I hovered around a 2 for 40 years or so, now, with my hybrids and moving up, I'm still able to keep it around 5. Long ago, I learned that style points are not awarded in golf, so I have always played what gives me the biggest chance for success.
  • slip8910slip8910 Members Posts: 17 ✭✭


    Being a 15.4 handicap due to short game and putting is borderline impossible. The math doesn’t work, unless your home course is Augusta or you consistently 4 putt / take multiple shots in the green complex to hit the green on multiple holes per round.



    That said, play whatever you find fun! It’s recreation. But you show me a 15 who thinks he/she’s got a good long game and I’ll show you a golfer who isn’t very self-aware.




    I think you'd be shocked by how bad some of us are around the greens :-(.
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  • socalbonzisocalbonzi Members Posts: 31
    BiggErn wrote:

    toc wrote:
    What is more fruitless: a person trying to justify why he plays a certain club, or someone trying to justify why said person shouldn’t play those clubs?




    Nobody cares what anyone plays. Not sure why some try to convince others of something that just isn’t true.


    After reading through this thread, I'd argue that there are plenty of people who care what other people play. Do I know why? Not at all. But they definitely do exist image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
  • AutomaticTwoDownAutomaticTwoDown Two down after two, time to get to work Advanced Members Posts: 431 ✭✭
    slip8910 wrote:



    Being a 15.4 handicap due to short game and putting is borderline impossible. The math doesn’t work, unless your home course is Augusta or you consistently 4 putt / take multiple shots in the green complex to hit the green on multiple holes per round.



    That said, play whatever you find fun! It’s recreation. But you show me a 15 who thinks he/she’s got a good long game and I’ll show you a golfer who isn’t very self-aware.




    I think you'd be shocked by how bad some of us are around the greens :-(.


    Nobody is shocked at how bad some short games are. However, the amount of 15 handicaps who claim to be great ball strikers is shocking. The OP said he hits 6 greens in regulation per round, then backtracked to say it’s closer to 2 or 3 GIRs per round.



    These great ball strikers should be hitting 67% of the greens, and shouldn’t be left with difficult chips. So it stands to reason that these GBS’s should be able to get up and down at least a couple of times per round.



    Something isn’t adding up, and I think it’s that a lot of 15 handicappers
  • balls_deepballs_deep Advanced Members Posts: 360 ✭✭
    revanant wrote:


    I am actually going to put this into practice this season.



    As of today, I'm a 27 handicap. I first picked up a club 3 years ago. My second year, I didn't play much. Last season, I played nearly every weekend.



    In October, I moved to a building with a TrueGolf simulator, so I've been able to practice a lot during the off-season and during the week.



    My game took a big leap forward when I bought a Mizuno T-Zoid Pro 6 iron for practice, and found that the club improved my ability to find the center of irons very rapidly and efficiently. The highlight of my golf season last year was nailing my first true birdie via a good drive and a 7 iron that I stuck within 3 feet on a par 4, via an intentional draw with a T-Zoid Pro.



    Iron-wise, I have Mizuno MP-4s sitting in my bag. I practiced a bunch with them during the offseason, but haven't hit a real hole on real grass yet with them. That being said, since I was able to function pretty well with T-Zoids, I think turf interaction will be fine.



    I have hopes to drop 10 strokes from my handicap with continued practice. My theory is that the blades will help, rather than hurt, because they keep my misses from going long and offline, and they give me true feedback about when my swing is working and I'm making good contact.



    If I'm wrong, my investment was $280. But honestly, I find my misses with blades really aren't that bad, while my good shots feel amazing and are truly memorable. I play recreationally, and if I can walk out of a round with one or two great shots or memories, I count the day a great success. As a beginner who treats every round as practice and learning, I think blades are the right choice for me. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />






    Practice will drop your HC. Blades will not.
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  • cliffhangercliffhanger ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 1,623 ClubWRX
    balls_deep wrote:

    revanant wrote:


    I am actually going to put this into practice this season.



    As of today, I'm a 27 handicap. I first picked up a club 3 years ago. My second year, I didn't play much. Last season, I played nearly every weekend.



    In October, I moved to a building with a TrueGolf simulator, so I've been able to practice a lot during the off-season and during the week.



    My game took a big leap forward when I bought a Mizuno T-Zoid Pro 6 iron for practice, and found that the club improved my ability to find the center of irons very rapidly and efficiently. The highlight of my golf season last year was nailing my first true birdie via a good drive and a 7 iron that I stuck within 3 feet on a par 4, via an intentional draw with a T-Zoid Pro.



    Iron-wise, I have Mizuno MP-4s sitting in my bag. I practiced a bunch with them during the offseason, but haven't hit a real hole on real grass yet with them. That being said, since I was able to function pretty well with T-Zoids, I think turf interaction will be fine.



    I have hopes to drop 10 strokes from my handicap with continued practice. My theory is that the blades will help, rather than hurt, because they keep my misses from going long and offline, and they give me true feedback about when my swing is working and I'm making good contact.



    If I'm wrong, my investment was $280. But honestly, I find my misses with blades really aren't that bad, while my good shots feel amazing and are truly memorable. I play recreationally, and if I can walk out of a round with one or two great shots or memories, I count the day a great success. As a beginner who treats every round as practice and learning, I think blades are the right choice for me. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />






    Practice will drop your HC. Blades will not.
    The OP believes they will, or at least a with combination of both, how can you argue with that? And i say that based on the OP's comments in this thread, not in a mid cap generalization.
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  • Fried SliceFried Slice Golf Hack Extraordinaire Advanced Members Posts: 146 ✭✭
    Put a good move on any club and you'll get good results. Put a bad move on any club results will vary. Forgiveness in golf is defininety over emphasized but the fact is that a CB will help the bad swings.



    I will be playing blades this year but I have other iron sets to go to when my swing isn't clean.



    Good luck OP! I hope you have fun with the new sticks!
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  • Jack PearsallJack Pearsall Advanced Members Posts: 3,273 ✭✭
    Every day it’s a different game. Your game’s score variability moves around depending on your skills. A guy who shoots 80 might have only one aspect suck per round, generally, while someone shooting 93 regularly has maybe three. A club with a bigger sweet spot would more impact the many more subpar shots of a higher handicapped player. Plus better players can laugh at the awful looking GI clubs the hacks use.
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  • BiggErnBiggErn Advanced Members Posts: 2,001 ✭✭
    Every day it’s a different game. Your game’s score variability moves around depending on your skills. A guy who shoots 80 might have only one aspect suck per round, generally, while someone shooting 93 regularly has maybe three. A club with a bigger sweet spot would more impact the many more subpar shots of a higher handicapped player. Plus better players can laugh at the awful looking GI clubs the hacks use.




    Or maybe the +HC guy using Ping G series irons can laugh at the hack playing blades that can’t hit solid shot to save his life.
  • Juiceboxguy42Juiceboxguy42 Members Posts: 50 ✭✭
    BiggErn wrote:

    Every day it’s a different game. Your game’s score variability moves around depending on your skills. A guy who shoots 80 might have only one aspect suck per round, generally, while someone shooting 93 regularly has maybe three. A club with a bigger sweet spot would more impact the many more subpar shots of a higher handicapped player. Plus better players can laugh at the awful looking GI clubs the hacks use.




    Or maybe the +HC guy using Ping G series irons can laugh at the hack playing blades that can’t hit solid shot to save his life.




    Even better when the guy has iron covers for his blades. Made my day the last time I saw it.
  • bub72ckbub72ck Advanced Members Posts: 2,439 ✭✭
    BiggErn wrote:

    Every day it’s a different game. Your game’s score variability moves around depending on your skills. A guy who shoots 80 might have only one aspect suck per round, generally, while someone shooting 93 regularly has maybe three. A club with a bigger sweet spot would more impact the many more subpar shots of a higher handicapped player. Plus better players can laugh at the awful looking GI clubs the hacks use.




    Or maybe the +HC guy using Ping G series irons can laugh at the hack playing blades that can’t hit solid shot to save his life.




    I played in a US Mid-Am qualifier with a guy playing Ping Gs. He said they helped him score better. The nerve of that guy...
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  • balls_deepballs_deep Advanced Members Posts: 360 ✭✭
    bub72ck wrote:

    BiggErn wrote:

    Every day it’s a different game. Your game’s score variability moves around depending on your skills. A guy who shoots 80 might have only one aspect suck per round, generally, while someone shooting 93 regularly has maybe three. A club with a bigger sweet spot would more impact the many more subpar shots of a higher handicapped player. Plus better players can laugh at the awful looking GI clubs the hacks use.




    Or maybe the +HC guy using Ping G series irons can laugh at the hack playing blades that can’t hit solid shot to save his life.




    I played in a US Mid-Am qualifier with a guy playing Ping Gs. He said they helped him score better. The nerve of that guy...






    But how could he play at that level without being able to work the ball image/stink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':stink:' />
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  • bub72ckbub72ck Advanced Members Posts: 2,439 ✭✭
    revanant wrote:


    I am actually going to put this into practice this season.



    As of today, I'm a 27 handicap. I first picked up a club 3 years ago. My second year, I didn't play much. Last season, I played nearly every weekend.



    In October, I moved to a building with a TrueGolf simulator, so I've been able to practice a lot during the off-season and during the week.



    My game took a big leap forward when I bought a Mizuno T-Zoid Pro 6 iron for practice, and found that the club improved my ability to find the center of irons very rapidly and efficiently. The highlight of my golf season last year was nailing my first true birdie via a good drive and a 7 iron that I stuck within 3 feet on a par 4, via an intentional draw with a T-Zoid Pro.



    Iron-wise, I have Mizuno MP-4s sitting in my bag. I practiced a bunch with them during the offseason, but haven't hit a real hole on real grass yet with them. That being said, since I was able to function pretty well with T-Zoids, I think turf interaction will be fine.



    I have hopes to drop 10 strokes from my handicap with continued practice. My theory is that the blades will help, rather than hurt, because they keep my misses from going long and offline, and they give me true feedback about when my swing is working and I'm making good contact.



    If I'm wrong, my investment was $280. But honestly, I find my misses with blades really aren't that bad, while my good shots feel amazing and are truly memorable. I play recreationally, and if I can walk out of a round with one or two great shots or memories, I count the day a great success. As a beginner who treats every round as practice and learning, I think blades are the right choice for me. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    This is a serious question. As a 27 handicap, are you really taking "turf interaction" into account when choosing clubs? I'm just trying to understand what people are thinking of as they learn the game of golf in 2019.
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  • LUMALUMA I Am My Greatest Downfall Advanced Members Posts: 2,345 ✭✭
    edited March 15
    mwcallison wrote:


    It's your money, your time, and your game. Play whatever you want.



    The whole blades crowd is like a clique of high school girls that won't let anyone else sit at their lunch table.




    I find it to be the opposite in many cases. Everyone seems to need to justify why those who play muscle backs have "no business" playing them. Even in cases of players under a 10hc or even under a 5.



    I had a twosome mention my bag at the course last weekend saying under their breath, "I betchu he hacks it up all over the course. Look, those irons look brand new. Titleist everything *giggles*". They teed off 45 minutes before I did with nobody in between and I was on top of them by hole 5. "uuugh oh ugh you can go ahead". Proceed to hit 213yd 4 iron gir... "Thanks guys have fun".



    If that's not the "cool kids" table I dont know what is.
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  • cliffhangercliffhanger ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 1,623 ClubWRX
    LUMA wrote:

    mwcallison wrote:


    It's your money, your time, and your game. Play whatever you want.



    The whole blades crowd is like a clique of high school girls that won't let anyone else sit at their lunch table.




    I find it to be the opposite in many cases. Everyone seems to need to justify why those who play muscle backs have "no business" playing them. Even in cases of players under a 10hc or even under a 5.



    I had a twosome mention my bag at the course last weekend saying under their breath, "I betchu he hacks it up all over the course. Look, those irons look brand new. Titleist everything *giggles*". They teed off 45 minutes before I did with nobody in between and I was on top of them by hole 5. "uuugh oh ugh you can go ahead". Proceed to hit 213yd 4 iron gir... "Thanks guys have fun".



    If that's not the "cool kids" table I dont know what is.
    Its a story of two sides deeply invested in there beliefs. There will never be an end to this... just two groups ready to battle in a war however they just stand across from each other yelling back and forth without advancing. As amusing as it normally is to watch such an epic event, you run out of popcorn and decide to change the channel... and then comes another thread a week later. (rinse and repeat)
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    Epic Flash SZ driver
    Epic Flash SZ 3 wood
    Callaway Apex UT 3 iron
    new irons pending (Srixon Z Forged are looking good)
    new wedges pending (vokey maybe)
    Cameron Newport 3 @ 34 inch
    Chrome Soft X ball
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