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March Madness - 2019 NCAA Basketball Tournament Discussion

MychMych Advanced Members Posts: 1,728 ✭✭
I'm an ACC guy (Virginia grad) stuck in Texas, so hopefully there are some folks here who love the tourney as much as I do (other than the UVA vs. UMBC game last year).



Also if anyone has bracket pools, wants to exchange wagering advice, or just wants to let everyone know when a barnburner is in progress that would be great too.
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  • CHuntsmanCHuntsman Advanced Members Posts: 671 ✭✭
    Mych wrote:


    I'm an ACC guy (Virginia grad) stuck in Texas, so hopefully there are some folks here who love the tourney as much as I do (other than the UVA vs. UMBC game last year).



    Also if anyone has bracket pools, wants to exchange wagering advice, or just wants to let everyone know when a barnburner is in progress that would be great too.




    LetsGoDuke!
  • MychMych Advanced Members Posts: 1,728 ✭✭
    edited March 14
    CHuntsman wrote:

    Mych wrote:


    I'm an ACC guy (Virginia grad) stuck in Texas, so hopefully there are some folks here who love the tourney as much as I do (other than the UVA vs. UMBC game last year).



    Also if anyone has bracket pools, wants to exchange wagering advice, or just wants to let everyone know when a barnburner is in progress that would be great too.




    LetsGoDuke!




    I grew up a Duke fan (relative played there and was one of Coach K's asst's). I still have a soft spot for the Dukies and a burning hatred of the Tarheels, lol. Some things will never die.
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  • CHuntsmanCHuntsman Advanced Members Posts: 671 ✭✭
    Mych wrote:

    CHuntsman wrote:

    Mych wrote:


    I'm an ACC guy (Virginia grad) stuck in Texas, so hopefully there are some folks here who love the tourney as much as I do (other than the UVA vs. UMBC game last year).



    Also if anyone has bracket pools, wants to exchange wagering advice, or just wants to let everyone know when a barnburner is in progress that would be great too.




    LetsGoDuke!




    I grew up a Duke fan (relative played there and was one of Coach K's asst's). I still have a soft spot for the Dukies and a burning hatred of the Tarheels, lol. Some things will never die.




    Who?? I became a Dukie back in the early 90's. My pops coached HS ball when I was younger. Long story short, one Christmas we took a trip to Raleigh for a Christmas tournament. On an off day, we visited Wake, UNC, and Duke. Had the pleasure of meeting Bobby Hurley, Grant Hill and then assistant Mike Brey. I was probably 13 years old or so. Been a die hard ever since.
  • tnotno Members Posts: 51 ✭✭
    Grew up a UCLA fan (as you can't already tell). What a tough past couple years it's been watching basketball. Hope we hire a good coach that will take all this pain away. Mych, there's a lot of rumors that we are trying to go after Tony Bennett as our next coach. What are your thoughts on him? I personally do not want him as our next coach, and I will be pretty bummed if we hire him.
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  • davechendavechen THDC Members Posts: 1,837 ✭✭
    I'm a Tar Heel. I went to grad school at Carolina in the 90's. I went to 4 Final Fours then and all 6 of UNC's NCAA Tournament games in 1993. The national championship in New Orleans was AMAZING!



    Oh, and my son's middle name is Dean after Dean Smith.
  • MychMych Advanced Members Posts: 1,728 ✭✭
    edited March 15
    CHuntsman wrote:

    Mych wrote:

    CHuntsman wrote:

    Mych wrote:


    I'm an ACC guy (Virginia grad) stuck in Texas, so hopefully there are some folks here who love the tourney as much as I do (other than the UVA vs. UMBC game last year).



    Also if anyone has bracket pools, wants to exchange wagering advice, or just wants to let everyone know when a barnburner is in progress that would be great too.




    LetsGoDuke!




    I grew up a Duke fan (relative played there and was one of Coach K's asst's). I still have a soft spot for the Dukies and a burning hatred of the Tarheels, lol. Some things will never die.




    Who?? I became a Dukie back in the early 90's. My pops coached HS ball when I was younger. Long story short, one Christmas we took a trip to Raleigh for a Christmas tournament. On an off day, we visited Wake, UNC, and Duke. Had the pleasure of meeting Bobby Hurley, Grant Hill and then assistant Mike Brey. I was probably 13 years old or so. Been a die hard ever since.




    Tommy Amaker... Funny that you mention those names. My sister just found my autograph book from when he was still there and I was still getting free tickets. One page has Grant Hill, coach K, and Cherokee parks. I had Duke dreams, but my family was on an in-state budget so UVA it was. My mom, dad, and sister went to VT so always fun times at home.


    tno wrote:


    Grew up a UCLA fan (as you can't already tell). What a tough past couple years it's been watching basketball. Hope we hire a good coach that will take all this pain away. Mych, there's a lot of rumors that we are trying to go after Tony Bennett as our next coach. What are your thoughts on him? I personally do not want him as our next coach, and I will be pretty bummed if we hire him.


    I hope you guys don't find a way to get him. He's a culture-changer. I don't think he's the type to compete for 5 star recruits because he won't play a kid until they've bought into the defense and effort that he expects. He's a great fit for a team who isn't the pace-setter of their league. The style of play leaves them vulnerable to any hot shooting team, and there is a valid critique that his style hasn't proven to be successful in the postseason, but for a school like Virginia we've been so happy to be competitive with Duke or UNC that he hasn't been subject to the expectations of a perrenial top 10 coach.
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  • tnotno Members Posts: 51 ✭✭
    Mych wrote:




    I hope you guys don't find a way to get him. He's a culture-changer. I don't think he's the type to compete for 5 star recruits because he won't play a kid until they've bought into the defense and effort that he expects. He's a great fit for a team who isn't the pace-setter of their league. The style of play leaves them vulnerable to any hot shooting team, and there is a valid critique that his style hasn't proven to be successful in the postseason, but for a school like Virginia we've been so happy to be competitive with Duke or UNC that he hasn't been subject to the expectations of a perrenial top 10 coach.




    I tell all my UCLA friends that the time is now to hire a proven coach with a proven resume. A LOT of my friends want Bennett, but I tell them if you want a coach that will get you a Pac-12 title every year, but lay an egg in the tournament, then sure, hire him. But if you want a guy that is going to have you compete for titles year in and year out, hire Jay Wright or Billy Donovan. Don't know how plausible it is to hire a name like that, but c'mon...we are UCLA...give them a blank check and let them choose their own salary. We have billionaire donors for crying out loud. I also wouldn't mind Gregg Marshall, since he has a Final Four on his resume, and he always seems to do more with less, but other than that, I don't see anyone else. Maybe Pitino, but I don't want him due to his mischievous background. UCLA is not a school for coaching experiments. Leave that to schools like Drexel, Albany, Northern Iowa, and the like (no offense to anyone that reads this and are from those schools lol). But this is UCLA. No more hiring coaches from mid-major schools. No more coaching experiments.



    Anyways, it will be interesting to see how Bennett does in this year's tournament. Hopefully it won't end up like last year...as a college sports fan, as fun as it was to watch the upset, it was also painful to watch. I know what it means to get upset by a team nobody has ever heard of. Good luck in this year's Big Dance! I will be putting you guys far in my bracket! :-)
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    I think for Duke, Zion and JR are weak free throw shooters. I think it’s going to cost them a game.
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  • davechendavechen THDC Members Posts: 1,837 ✭✭
    Tony Bennett is a terrific coach, but I don't think his style fits UCLA. They play tough defense and a very deliberate offense, not a flashy, run-and-gun type offense that would excite the fans in LA. UNC always has a tough time playing UVa because the Tar Heels like to run, but it's tough to do against the Cavs.
  • CHuntsmanCHuntsman Advanced Members Posts: 671 ✭✭


    I think for Duke, Zion and JR are weak free throw shooters. I think it’s going to cost them a game.




    You mean like the 2008 championship game with Memphis/Kansas? Love to see Calipari squirm during that game.
  • deadsolid...shankdeadsolid...shank ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 14,330 ClubWRX
    CHuntsman wrote:



    I think for Duke, Zion and JR are weak free throw shooters. I think it’s going to cost them a game.




    You mean like the 2008 championship game with Memphis/Kansas? Love to see Calipari squirm during that game.




    Sorry, I don’t remember the particulars of the game. I did look up the box score and see Memphis shot about 63% from the line compared to Kansas’s 90+%.
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    Would anyone want to get a Golfwrx bracket challenge going? I remember we did one last year.
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  • CHuntsmanCHuntsman Advanced Members Posts: 671 ✭✭
    edited March 15

    CHuntsman wrote:



    I think for Duke, Zion and JR are weak free throw shooters. I think it’s going to cost them a game.




    You mean like the 2008 championship game with Memphis/Kansas? Love to see Calipari squirm during that game.




    Sorry, I don’t remember the particulars of the game. I did look up the box score and see Memphis shot about 63% from the line compared to Kansas’s 90+%.




    Kansas strategically fouled Memphis—an extremely poor free throw shooting team all season—which missed four of its final five free throws in regulation (Derrick Rose/Chris Douglas-Roberts) while Kansas furiously scored 12 points in the final two minutes of regulation. During that stretch Kansas made 100% of their shots going 2 for 2 from two-point range, 2 for 2 from three-point range and 2 for 2 from the free throw line. When Memphis failed to foul, which arguably would have all but assured a victory for the Tigers, Kansas guard Mario Chalmers hit a three-point basket with 2.1 seconds remaining to tie the game at 63, sending the game into overtime. In overtime, Kansas scored the first six points en route to a 75–68 win.
  • deadsolid...shankdeadsolid...shank ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 14,330 ClubWRX
    CHuntsman wrote:


    CHuntsman wrote:



    I think for Duke, Zion and JR are weak free throw shooters. I think it’s going to cost them a game.




    You mean like the 2008 championship game with Memphis/Kansas? Love to see Calipari squirm during that game.




    Sorry, I don’t remember the particulars of the game. I did look up the box score and see Memphis shot about 63% from the line compared to Kansas’s 90+%.




    Kansas strategically fouled Memphis—an extremely poor free throw shooting team all season—which missed four of its final five free throws in regulation while Kansas furiously scored 12 points in the final two minutes of regulation. During that stretch Kansas made 100% of their shots going 2 for 2 from two-point range, 2 for 2 from three-point range and 2 for 2 from the free throw line. When Memphis failed to foul, which arguably would have all but assured a victory for the Tigers, Kansas guard [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Chalmers"]Mario Chalmers[/url] hit a three-point basket with 2.1 seconds remaining to tie the game at 63, sending the game into overtime. In overtime, Kansas scored the first six points en route to a 75–68 win.




    Thank you sir, I could see a similar outcome for Duke. Jones is the only regular who is good at the line (Reddish seems to have disappeared lately).
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  • MychMych Advanced Members Posts: 1,728 ✭✭
    edited March 15
    tno wrote:

    Mych wrote:


    I hope you guys don't find a way to get him. He's a culture-changer. I don't think he's the type to compete for 5 star recruits because he won't play a kid until they've bought into the defense and effort that he expects. He's a great fit for a team who isn't the pace-setter of their league. The style of play leaves them vulnerable to any hot shooting team, and there is a valid critique that his style hasn't proven to be successful in the postseason, but for a school like Virginia we've been so happy to be competitive with Duke or UNC that he hasn't been subject to the expectations of a perrenial top 10 coach.




    I tell all my UCLA friends that the time is now to hire a proven coach with a proven resume. A LOT of my friends want Bennett, but I tell them if you want a coach that will get you a Pac-12 title every year, but lay an egg in the tournament, then sure, hire him. But if you want a guy that is going to have you compete for titles year in and year out, hire Jay Wright or Billy Donovan. Don't know how plausible it is to hire a name like that, but c'mon...we are UCLA...give them a blank check and let them choose their own salary. We have billionaire donors for crying out loud. I also wouldn't mind Gregg Marshall, since he has a Final Four on his resume, and he always seems to do more with less, but other than that, I don't see anyone else. Maybe Pitino, but I don't want him due to his mischievous background. UCLA is not a school for coaching experiments. Leave that to schools like Drexel, Albany, Northern Iowa, and the like (no offense to anyone that reads this and are from those schools lol). But this is UCLA. No more hiring coaches from mid-major schools. No more coaching experiments.



    Anyways, it will be interesting to see how Bennett does in this year's tournament. Hopefully it won't end up like last year...as a college sports fan, as fun as it was to watch the upset, it was also painful to watch. I know what it means to get upset by a team nobody has ever heard of. Good luck in this year's Big Dance! I will be putting you guys far in my bracket! :-)




    I've wondered what would happen if UCLA chased Rick Barnes. He proved at Texas that he can coach at a big school with big $ donors, and now he's gone to Tennessee and built them into a top program from the ground up. Recruits like his style of play and he has the connections and reputation to be able to recruit in the south and southwest which will be crucial for poaching players who are considering schools like Arizona, Kansas, and Kentucky. Being at Tennessee can't be enough to keep him satisfied after being at Texas which basically had unlimited resources at his disposal.
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  • MychMych Advanced Members Posts: 1,728 ✭✭
    CHuntsman wrote:


    CHuntsman wrote:



    I think for Duke, Zion and JR are weak free throw shooters. I think it’s going to cost them a game.




    You mean like the 2008 championship game with Memphis/Kansas? Love to see Calipari squirm during that game.




    Sorry, I don’t remember the particulars of the game. I did look up the box score and see Memphis shot about 63% from the line compared to Kansas’s 90+%.




    Kansas strategically fouled Memphis—an extremely poor free throw shooting team all season—which missed four of its final five free throws in regulation (Derrick Rose/Chris Douglas-Roberts) while Kansas furiously scored 12 points in the final two minutes of regulation. During that stretch Kansas made 100% of their shots going 2 for 2 from two-point range, 2 for 2 from three-point range and 2 for 2 from the free throw line. When Memphis failed to foul, which arguably would have all but assured a victory for the Tigers, Kansas guard Mario Chalmers hit a three-point basket with 2.1 seconds remaining to tie the game at 63, sending the game into overtime. In overtime, Kansas scored the first six points en route to a 75–68 win.




    My kind of guy... I started sweating reading your description of that game sequence.
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  • tnotno Members Posts: 51 ✭✭
    Mych wrote:




    I've wondered what would happen if UCLA chased Rick Barnes. He proved at Texas that he can coach at a big school with big $ donors, and now he's gone to Tennessee and built them into a top program from the ground up. Recruits like his style of play and he has the connections and reputation to be able to recruit in the south and southwest which will be crucial for poaching players who are considering schools like Arizona, Kansas, and Kentucky. Being at Tennessee can't be enough to keep him satisfied after being at Texas which basically had unlimited resources at his disposal.




    I don't know how I would feel getting a coach like him. I mean, he's a great coach, don't get me wrong, but he doesn't have any experience coaching a championship squad. I know UCLA alum, Bob Meyers, is helping us out with the coaching search. He's the GM for the Warriors, and he found a gem in Steve Kerr, so perhaps he will find a gem for us. All I know is that UCLA fans are getting a little impatient, and they want to see a basketball team that exhibits John Wooden-esque qualities. The fans here in Westwood can be a little delusional sometimes ;-) lol.
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  • deadsolid...shankdeadsolid...shank ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 14,330 ClubWRX
    tno wrote:

    Mych wrote:




    I've wondered what would happen if UCLA chased Rick Barnes. He proved at Texas that he can coach at a big school with big $ donors, and now he's gone to Tennessee and built them into a top program from the ground up. Recruits like his style of play and he has the connections and reputation to be able to recruit in the south and southwest which will be crucial for poaching players who are considering schools like Arizona, Kansas, and Kentucky. Being at Tennessee can't be enough to keep him satisfied after being at Texas which basically had unlimited resources at his disposal.




    I don't know how I would feel getting a coach like him. I mean, he's a great coach, don't get me wrong, but he doesn't have any experience coaching a championship squad. I know UCLA alum, Bob Meyers, is helping us out with the coaching search. He's the GM for the Warriors, and he found a gem in Steve Kerr, so perhaps he will find a gem for us. All I know is that UCLA fans are getting a little impatient, and they want to see a basketball team that exhibits John Wooden-esque qualities. The fans here in Westwood can be a little delusional sometimes ;-) lol.




    Sounds like football fans in Lincoln, Nebraska.
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  • CHuntsmanCHuntsman Advanced Members Posts: 671 ✭✭
    Mych wrote:

    CHuntsman wrote:


    CHuntsman wrote:



    I think for Duke, Zion and JR are weak free throw shooters. I think it’s going to cost them a game.




    You mean like the 2008 championship game with Memphis/Kansas? Love to see Calipari squirm during that game.




    Sorry, I don’t remember the particulars of the game. I did look up the box score and see Memphis shot about 63% from the line compared to Kansas’s 90+%.




    Kansas strategically fouled Memphis—an extremely poor free throw shooting team all season—which missed four of its final five free throws in regulation (Derrick Rose/Chris Douglas-Roberts) while Kansas furiously scored 12 points in the final two minutes of regulation. During that stretch Kansas made 100% of their shots going 2 for 2 from two-point range, 2 for 2 from three-point range and 2 for 2 from the free throw line. When Memphis failed to foul, which arguably would have all but assured a victory for the Tigers, Kansas guard Mario Chalmers hit a three-point basket with 2.1 seconds remaining to tie the game at 63, sending the game into overtime. In overtime, Kansas scored the first six points en route to a 75–68 win.




    My kind of guy... I started sweating reading your description of that game sequence.




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  • MychMych Advanced Members Posts: 1,728 ✭✭
    edited March 15
    tno wrote:

    Mych wrote:


    I've wondered what would happen if UCLA chased Rick Barnes. He proved at Texas that he can coach at a big school with big $ donors, and now he's gone to Tennessee and built them into a top program from the ground up. Recruits like his style of play and he has the connections and reputation to be able to recruit in the south and southwest which will be crucial for poaching players who are considering schools like Arizona, Kansas, and Kentucky. Being at Tennessee can't be enough to keep him satisfied after being at Texas which basically had unlimited resources at his disposal.




    I don't know how I would feel getting a coach like him. I mean, he's a great coach, don't get me wrong, but he doesn't have any experience coaching a championship squad. I know UCLA alum, Bob Meyers, is helping us out with the coaching search. He's the GM for the Warriors, and he found a gem in Steve Kerr, so perhaps he will find a gem for us. All I know is that UCLA fans are getting a little impatient, and they want to see a basketball team that exhibits John Wooden-esque qualities. The fans here in Westwood can be a little delusional sometimes ;-) lol.




    I've heard the Bob Meyers / Steve Kerr point before. That's what scares me about possibly losing Tony Bennett. I think Kerr and Bennett have a lot of similar qualities and demeanor. The only thing I can hope is that Bennett values being in the ACC and having the opportunity to establish and cement his legacy at Virginia the way Coach K did at Duke and Dean Smith did at UNC. Nobody else will ever be the best coach in UCLA history.



    A good analogy is Alabama football. With what Saban has done in the last 10 years, he's in the conversation for best coach in college football history, but if you ask any lifelong Alabama fan he still ranks second to Bear Bryant. There's nothing you can do at UCLA to be "the guy". For a young coach like Bennett who has all the tools to be a legend, I could see that being a turnoff.



    The good thing for Virginia's chances of keeping Bennett is that we've been very loose with the checkbook for Bennett. The only coaches who made more last year were Coach K, Calipari, and Izzo, so unless UCLA is going into that "legendary" coach pay range ($5M+/yr), money probably won't be the deciding factor. Virginia also updated their stadium a few years ago, so they arguably have the best facilities in the ACC right now. They only thing they don't have is UCLA's legacy of being THE program by which all others are measured in the history of college basketball.
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    Sounds like football fans in Lincoln, Nebraska.




    LOL! I know all about that! I know a couple die hard Nebraska fans myself, and they are still hoping to get the 2nd coming of Tom Osborne. Don't see that happening anytime soon.


    Mych wrote:




    I've heard the Bob Meyers / Steve Kerr point before. That's what scares me about possibly losing Tony Bennett. I think Kerr and Bennett have a lot of similar qualities and demeanor. The only thing I can hope is that Bennett values being in the ACC and having the opportunity to establish and cement his legacy at Virginia the way Coach K did at Duke and Dean Smith did at UNC. Nobody else will ever be the best coach in UCLA history.



    A good analogy is Alabama football. With what Saban has done in the last 10 years, he's in the conversation for best coach in college football history, but if you ask any lifelong Alabama fan he still ranks second to Bear Bryant. There's nothing you can do at UCLA to be "the guy". For a young coach like Bennett who has all the tools to be a legend, I could see that being a turnoff.



    The good thing for Virginia's chances of keeping Bennett is that we've been very loose with the checkbook for Bennett. The only coaches who made more last year were Coach K, Calipari, and Izzo, so unless UCLA is going into that "legendary" coach pay range ($5M+/yr), money probably won't be the deciding factor. Virginia also updated their stadium a few years ago, so they arguably have the best facilities in the ACC right now. They only thing they don't have is UCLA's legacy of being THE program by which all others are measured in the history of college basketball.




    Yeah, I wouldn't really worry about losing Bennett. I think he is going to stay at Virginia for a long time, possibly until his career is over. In any case, it's hard to pry a guy like Jay Wright or Mark Few from small schools. They have pretty much established a monopoly in their conference. Those are the guys that are not gonna leave (possible, but very hard to bait them away from those schools). The school pays them any amount they want, and they are the reason the school pumps so much money into their respective basketball program (especially with new arena make-overs). It's also very tough to get anyone to come to UCLA. You'd think with our history, we'd be able to hire any coach we want, but that's simply not the case. The next coach has to live under Wooden's shadow, and you'll have to live up to the delusional expectations of our disgruntled and impatient fanbase. If you don't live up to the expectations, you will have a half-empty Pauley Pavilion. Not every coach is up for this challenge. In fact a lot of coaches just run away if they were to receive an offer from UCLA, or even if they got a phone call from us. I remember a few years back that some journalist interviewed a couple college coaches and got their take on what the best job in college basketball was. Shaka Smart (he was still at VCU at the time) said UCLA was a dream job...the best job anyone can get. Well, maybe a month or so after that article came out, we were looking for a new coach (we had just fired Ben Howland). We went after Shaka Smart, made him an offer, and he turned us down LOL. So much for being a dream job. It'll be an interesting search, but I hope we can get a guy that will put us in contention year in and year out. I'd love to see us compete with schools like Virginia, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, etc. etc.
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  • MychMych Advanced Members Posts: 1,728 ✭✭
    tno wrote:



    Sounds like football fans in Lincoln, Nebraska.




    LOL! I know all about that! I know a couple die hard Nebraska fans myself, and they are still hoping to get the 2nd coming of Tom Osborne. Don't see that happening anytime soon.


    Mych wrote:


    I've heard the Bob Meyers / Steve Kerr point before. That's what scares me about possibly losing Tony Bennett. I think Kerr and Bennett have a lot of similar qualities and demeanor. The only thing I can hope is that Bennett values being in the ACC and having the opportunity to establish and cement his legacy at Virginia the way Coach K did at Duke and Dean Smith did at UNC. Nobody else will ever be the best coach in UCLA history.



    A good analogy is Alabama football. With what Saban has done in the last 10 years, he's in the conversation for best coach in college football history, but if you ask any lifelong Alabama fan he still ranks second to Bear Bryant. There's nothing you can do at UCLA to be "the guy". For a young coach like Bennett who has all the tools to be a legend, I could see that being a turnoff.



    The good thing for Virginia's chances of keeping Bennett is that we've been very loose with the checkbook for Bennett. The only coaches who made more last year were Coach K, Calipari, and Izzo, so unless UCLA is going into that "legendary" coach pay range ($5M+/yr), money probably won't be the deciding factor. Virginia also updated their stadium a few years ago, so they arguably have the best facilities in the ACC right now. They only thing they don't have is UCLA's legacy of being THE program by which all others are measured in the history of college basketball.




    Yeah, I wouldn't really worry about losing Bennett. I think he is going to stay at Virginia for a long time, possibly until his career is over. In any case, it's hard to pry a guy like Jay Wright or Mark Few from small schools. They have pretty much established a monopoly in their conference. Those are the guys that are not gonna leave (possible, but very hard to bait them away from those schools). The school pays them any amount they want, and they are the reason the school pumps so much money into their respective basketball program (especially with new arena make-overs). It's also very tough to get anyone to come to UCLA. You'd think with our history, we'd be able to hire any coach we want, but that's simply not the case. The next coach has to live under Wooden's shadow, and you'll have to live up to the delusional expectations of our disgruntled and impatient fanbase. If you don't live up to the expectations, you will have a half-empty Pauley Pavilion. Not every coach is up for this challenge. In fact a lot of coaches just run away if they were to receive an offer from UCLA, or even if they got a phone call from us. I remember a few years back that some journalist interviewed a couple college coaches and got their take on what the best job in college basketball was. Shaka Smart (he was still at VCU at the time) said UCLA was a dream job...the best job anyone can get. Well, maybe a month or so after that article came out, we were looking for a new coach (we had just fired Ben Howland). We went after Shaka Smart, made him an offer, and he turned us down LOL. So much for being a dream job. It'll be an interesting search, but I hope we can get a guy that will put us in contention year in and year out. I'd love to see us compete with schools like Virginia, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, etc. etc.




    I hope you're right. Virginia's current situation with Tony Bennett and Bronco Mendenhall is by far the highest quality and character sports environment I can remember at UVA. Most big conference, big budget schools have some type of competitive weakness. Virginia's biggest weakness is their academic standards which is a great problem to have if you have coaches who don't depend on a steady stream of 5 star recruits. I think we'll eventually lose Mendenhall to an SEC team, but I think you could be right about Bennett staying a while and eclipsing Ralph Sampson as the face of Virginia's basketball legacy (which he has already done in my opinion).
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  • tnotno Members Posts: 51 ✭✭
    Mych wrote:




    I hope you're right. Virginia's current situation with Tony Bennett and Bronco Mendenhall is by far the highest quality and character sports environment I can remember at UVA. Most big conference, big budget schools have some type of competitive weakness. Virginia's biggest weakness is their academic standards which is a great problem to have if you have coaches who don't depend on a steady stream of 5 star recruits. I think we'll eventually lose Mendenhall to an SEC team, but I think you could be right about Bennett staying a while and eclipsing Ralph Sampson as the face of Virginia's basketball legacy (which he has already done in my opinion).




    Bronco is a great coach!!! I remember watching your game last season against VT. What a game that was. I was rooting for you guys to pull off that upset, as I don't really like VT that much. In my honest opinion, I don't see Bronco leaving Virginia. I think he's found a home there.



    Also, I know what you mean about the academics. It's pretty tough to get into a school like UCLA, and with all the academic standards, we can't get any recruit we want. The grades and SAT scores have to be there for these high school players.
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    tno wrote:


    Grew up a UCLA fan (as you can't already tell). What a tough past couple years it's been watching basketball. Hope we hire a good coach that will take all this pain away. Mych, there's a lot of rumors that we are trying to go after Tony Bennett as our next coach. What are your thoughts on him? I personally do not want him as our next coach, and I will be pretty bummed if we hire him.




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    Well Duke got lucky tonight. Barrett misses two at the line with 12 seconds.
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    I think for Duke, Zion and JR are weak free throw shooters. I think it’s going to cost them a game.




    You were almost right. Kid should’ve drove to the rack!!
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    CHuntsman wrote:



    I think for Duke, Zion and JR are weak free throw shooters. I think it’s going to cost them a game.




    You were almost right. Kid should’ve drove to the rack!!




    I thought so, I don’t think anyone can stay in front of him.
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    tno wrote:


    Grew up a UCLA fan (as you can't already tell). What a tough past couple years it's been watching basketball. Hope we hire a good coach that will take all this pain away. Mych, there's a lot of rumors that we are trying to go after Tony Bennett as our next coach. What are your thoughts on him? I personally do not want him as our next coach, and I will be pretty bummed if we hire him.




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    lol...that's gonna be a no for me. No college coaching experience, and he's not a proven coach with a proven resume...two qualities I would love to see in our next coach. He can go to Arizona, when they fire Sean Miller. I don't want UCLA to be the school for coaching experiments. I'll leave that to the DII schools and the Sunbelt Conference!
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff The GOAT Advanced Members Posts: 27,949 ✭✭
    Duke is like the LeBron Miami Heat.



    They have 3 very good players with 3 very clear roles/hierarchy. But they rarely get anything from anyone else.



    If RJ Barrett goes like 5/18 in a tournament game they'll probably lose. Because when he and Zion aren't at full capacity (Zion I think is incapable of bad games) they struggle to score and don't shoot the 3 well



    I mostly watch Duke because of Barrett.
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    MtlJeff wrote:


    Duke is like the LeBron Miami Heat.



    They have 3 very good players with 3 very clear roles/hierarchy. But they rarely get anything from anyone else.



    If RJ Barrett goes like 5/18 in a tournament game they'll probably lose. Because when he and Zion aren't at full capacity (Zion I think is incapable of bad games) they struggle to score and don't shoot the 3 well



    I mostly watch Duke because of Barrett.




    I watch because of Zion��. Coach K must have instructed Tre Jones to shoot more, because the last two games I think he’s taken almost as many shots as he has the rest of the season. Reddish really isn’t giving them anything right, he and Pat White are lucky to draw iron shooting. One of them needs to come out of the slump.



    Playing Duke, I would,play a collapsing zone all game long, and every time Zion or Barret touched the ball, heavily overplay their left hand and then double down on their right. Don’t let either one beat you with their left hand, and do everything possible to get them to kick it out and make a perimeter shooter beat you.
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    MtlJeff wrote:


    Duke is like the LeBron Miami Heat.



    They have 3 very good players with 3 very clear roles/hierarchy. But they rarely get anything from anyone else.



    If RJ Barrett goes like 5/18 in a tournament game they'll probably lose. Because when he and Zion aren't at full capacity (Zion I think is incapable of bad games) they struggle to score and don't shoot the 3 well



    I mostly watch Duke because of Barrett.




    I watch because of Zion��. Coach K must have instructed Tre Jones to shoot more, because the last two games I think he’s taken almost as many shots as he has the rest of the season. Reddish really isn’t giving them anything right, he and Pat White are lucky to draw iron shooting. One of them needs to come out of the slump.



    Playing Duke, I would,play a collapsing zone all game long, and every time Zion or Barret touched the ball, heavily overplay their left hand and then double down on their right. Don’t let either one beat you with their left hand, and do everything possible to get them to kick it out and make a perimeter shooter beat you.




    Pretty much yeah. I think in a 7 game series Duke would win actually pretty comfortably. But single game elimination someone is going to throw a new scheme at them and they are so dependant on RJ and Zion. Jack White hadn't made a 3pter in 2 months at one point which is simply incredible. Reddish doesn't create his shot really at this point



    So if Barrett has an off night, I feel like unless they hit the shooting lottery, they can lose to even decent teams



    But... Zion and Barrett are 2 of the top players in the country, possibly the two best players (Barrett has become a bit underrated, if that's possible). So they'll still be the favorite
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    MtlJeff wrote:


    MtlJeff wrote:


    Duke is like the LeBron Miami Heat.



    They have 3 very good players with 3 very clear roles/hierarchy. But they rarely get anything from anyone else.



    If RJ Barrett goes like 5/18 in a tournament game they'll probably lose. Because when he and Zion aren't at full capacity (Zion I think is incapable of bad games) they struggle to score and don't shoot the 3 well



    I mostly watch Duke because of Barrett.




    I watch because of Zion��. Coach K must have instructed Tre Jones to shoot more, because the last two games I think he’s taken almost as many shots as he has the rest of the season. Reddish really isn’t giving them anything right, he and Pat White are lucky to draw iron shooting. One of them needs to come out of the slump.



    Playing Duke, I would,play a collapsing zone all game long, and every time Zion or Barret touched the ball, heavily overplay their left hand and then double down on their right. Don’t let either one beat you with their left hand, and do everything possible to get them to kick it out and make a perimeter shooter beat you.




    Pretty much yeah. I think in a 7 game series Duke would win actually pretty comfortably. But single game elimination someone is going to throw a new scheme at them and they are so dependant on RJ and Zion. Jack White hadn't made a 3pter in 2 months at one point which is simply incredible. Reddish doesn't create his shot really at this point



    So if Barrett has an off night, I feel like unless they hit the shooting lottery, they can lose to even decent teams



    But... Zion and Barrett are 2 of the top players in the country, possibly the two best players (Barrett has become a bit underrated, if that's possible). So they'll still be the favorite




    Does last nights win switch them and Virginia as 1 and 2 seeds?



    I still think their free throw shooting will cost them a game and a chance at a championship.
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff The GOAT Advanced Members Posts: 27,949 ✭✭
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    Who are the #1's? Pretty top heavy no? Aren't Duke, Gonzaga and Virginia still gonna be #1's? I thought those 3 we're kinda locked in. I don't watch every team though as mentioned



    Thought the ACC had a chance at 3 top seeds with UNC aswell
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    MtlJeff wrote:


    Who are the #1's? Pretty top heavy no? Aren't Duke, Gonzaga and Virginia still gonna be #1's? I thought those 3 we're kinda locked in. I don't watch every team though as mentioned



    Thought the ACC had a chance at 3 top seeds with UNC aswell




    Coming into the tournament they had NC ars a 1 and Duke as a 2. I could see them them both as 1’s along with Gonzaga. Not sure if Virginia loses its’s, or who would take it.



    Kentucky maybe? Maybe Duke has to win tonight to get a 1 or they leave it who it originally was.
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    If Zion is playing I think Duke gets a #1 for sure
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    If Tennessee wins their tournament are they in the running for a 1?
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  • tnotno Members Posts: 51 ✭✭
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    I was thinking the same thing. They've been a pretty **** good team this year. I think if they beat Kentucky and Auburn, it'll be pretty hard not to put them as a #1 seed.
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    If Tennessee wins their tournament are they in the running for a 1?




    The problem for Tennessee and Michigan/ Michigan St. is that they will probably make the bracket Sunday morning before the SEC and Big Ten finals are played. All 3 will probably be kept on the 2 line. It's possible they could make multiple brackets, but that's a lot more work for a committee to do.



    Once the Oregon/ Washington game is over, the field of 68 should be set. They will just be waiting for the automatic qualifiers to be decided.
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    If Tennessee wins their tournament are they in the running for a 1?




    The problem for Tennessee and Michigan/ Michigan St. is that they will probably make the bracket Sunday morning before the SEC and Big Ten finals are played. All 3 will probably be kept on the 2 line. It's possible they could make multiple brackets, but that's a lot more work for a committee to do.



    Once the Oregon/ Washington game is over, the field of 68 should be set. They will just be waiting for the automatic qualifiers to be decided.




    Good point. Although I kind of lean towards thinking Tennessee deserves one if they beat Auburn.



    Maybe they go NC and Tennessee as the overall 4 & 5 seed (1 & 2 in the region). If Tennessee wins they’re rhe higher, if they lose, the lower?



    That way they can have it basically done.
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  • MychMych Advanced Members Posts: 1,728 ✭✭
    I think Virginia and Duke get top 2 overall seeds and Mich St and Gonzaga get the other 1's. I think the tournament committee will discount UNCs two wins over Zion-less Duke. If UNC is the top ranked 2 seed and in the Gonzaga or Mich St bracket, I think they'll be one of my final 4 picks. Tennessee is playing great ball right now also. I would hate to be a 1 seed and see them at the bottom of my bracket.
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  • devinh821devinh821 Advanced Members Posts: 551 ✭✭
    I just hope N.C. State sneaks in. Two bad losses to Wake and GT. If they don’t get in it’s soley because those two games.
  • 1puttTUT1puttTUT Lefty with occasional game Advanced Members Posts: 3,318 ✭✭
    I'm super pumped for the tournament although my two teams (Kansas and Michigan) have no chance of winning it all this year imo.



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    MSU has an outside chance of claiming a #1 seed. Only if they win the B1G 'ship. Very nervous about the game. Beating your arch rival 3x in a season is a difficult proposition. UM has been exposed twice. But Beilein is to good of a coach to not make adjustments for this game. Winston remains the key. MSU by a point.



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    Agreed, Zion is incapable of bad games because he affects the game in so many ways. I was a firm believer that RJ Barrett could still be the #1 pick but that's all but over now. It doesnt even matter what stats Zion puts up, the eye test is through the roof with him. Plays hard, plays D, and is too strong to stop in the paint. Who goes 13/13 in a big game and no one even makes a big deal of it?



    Cam Reddish is the one that needs to pick it up the most IMO. fouling, doesnt always run the floor, and just doesnt seem to have the want to win that Trey Jones and Zion have. Hes the one that needs to be the floor spacer too.





    Word is Gonzaga may lose a 1 seed due to that loss to St Marys, however they will end up in the west bracket either way so it really doesnt matter if they are a 1 or 2. Ill go with Duke, UV, Gonzaga, and MSU if they win, or TEN if they dont.
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    1puttTUT wrote:


    I'm super pumped for the tournament although my two teams (Kansas and Michigan) have no chance of winning it all this year imo.



    I can put together a bracket contest and give out some of our company's swag to the winner.




    These are my 2 fave teams too, but in reverse order. I would have to agree. Down year for KU by their standards. UM has the better chance with some decent experience.
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    Agreed, Zion is incapable of bad games because he affects the game in so many ways. I was a firm believer that RJ Barrett could still be the #1 pick but that's all but over now. It doesnt even matter what stats Zion puts up, the eye test is through the roof with him. Plays hard, plays D, and is too strong to stop in the paint. Who goes 13/13 in a big game and no one even makes a big deal of it?



    Cam Reddish is the one that needs to pick it up the most IMO. fouling, doesnt always run the floor, and just doesnt seem to have the want to win that Trey Jones and Zion have. Hes the one that needs to be the floor spacer too.





    Word is Gonzaga may lose a 1 seed due to that loss to St Marys, however they will end up in the west bracket either way so it really doesnt matter if they are a 1 or 2. Ill go with Duke, UV, Gonzaga, and MSU if they win, or TEN if they dont.




    I agree about Cam (have mentioned it a couple of times here), he’s just not bringing much right now. It’s funny, in the first round, when he played Goldwire and the big kid off the bench (can’t remeber his name), their added energy seemed to really pick them up. I think O’Connell could be a big factor in the tournament as he really is a true outside threat.



    Have you every seen anyone get off the floor quicker than Zion!?



    I don’t know if they ever factor history in (I’m sure they probably don’t), but Virginia’s post season history really leaves me questioning a #1 seed for them. I’m sure they’ll still get it, but it’s time to play like one.
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    Agreed, Zion is incapable of bad games because he affects the game in so many ways. I was a firm believer that RJ Barrett could still be the #1 pick but that's all but over now. It doesnt even matter what stats Zion puts up, the eye test is through the roof with him. Plays hard, plays D, and is too strong to stop in the paint. Who goes 13/13 in a big game and no one even makes a big deal of it?



    Cam Reddish is the one that needs to pick it up the most IMO. fouling, doesnt always run the floor, and just doesnt seem to have the want to win that Trey Jones and Zion have. Hes the one that needs to be the floor spacer too.





    Word is Gonzaga may lose a 1 seed due to that loss to St Marys, however they will end up in the west bracket either way so it really doesnt matter if they are a 1 or 2. Ill go with Duke, UV, Gonzaga, and MSU if they win, or TEN if they dont.




    I agree about Cam (have mentioned it a couple of times here), he’s just not bringing much right now. It’s funny, in the first round, when he played Goldwire and the big kid off the bench (can’t remeber his name), their added energy seemed to really pick them up. I think O’Connell could be a big factor in the tournament as he really is a true outside threat.



    Have you every seen anyone get off the floor quicker than Zion!?



    I don’t know if they ever factor history in (I’m sure they probably don’t), but Virginia’s post season history really leaves me questioning a #1 seed for them. I’m sure they’ll still get it, but it’s time to play like one.






    Shawn Marion was the only one ive seen with a second jump like zion. He was a **** pogo stick in his prime. He weighed about 80 lbs less though, lol.



    Im going to have UVA going all the way in one of my money brackets. I usually make 3 in our $15 pool. Being in the Midwest, no one in my pool will be on them due to their recent failures and low brand appeal. Its more of a contrarian pick, since our pool has 80-100 entries, Duke will be picked 30+ times so you need a super clean bracket to get in top 3 even if you pick them as the winner. Ill prob take Tennessee once too.



    Goldwire and Rajanovic or whatever it was. They were awesome! proves a great saying in sports "hard work beats talent when talent doesnt work hard"
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff The GOAT Advanced Members Posts: 27,949 ✭✭
    Zion is a unique dude that's for sure. He's got a bit of Blake Griffin in him too (poor Blake, he's actually really good but doesn't get enough credit). But he's got a much higher defensive ceiling than Blake



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    MtlJeff wrote:


    Zion is a unique dude that's for sure. He's got a bit of Blake Griffin in him too (poor Blake, he's actually really good but doesn't get enough credit). But he's got a much higher defensive ceiling than Blake




    He’s afar better passer right now at 18 or 19 years old than Blake ever was too. But I’ve never been a big fan of his, Ive never thought he made his teammates better, but also couldn’t put a team on his shoulders and make a deep run.
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff The GOAT Advanced Members Posts: 27,949 ✭✭
    edited March 17

    MtlJeff wrote:


    Zion is a unique dude that's for sure. He's got a bit of Blake Griffin in him too (poor Blake, he's actually really good but doesn't get enough credit). But he's got a much higher defensive ceiling than Blake




    He’s afar better passer right now at 18 or 19 years old than Blake ever was too. But I’ve never been a big fan of his, Ive never thought he made his teammates better, but also couldn’t put a team on his shoulders and make a deep run.




    I try to be a bit more reserved in comparing guys these days. I remember when Wiggins was McGrady 2.0 and Jabari was Carmelo 2.0. Now both guys are considered bad basketball players, let alone stars.



    It's hard to be great in the NBA. Even being the best player on a 48 win team is really hard. Blake is a 23-24 and 10 guy who is generally considered one of the best frontcourt passers in the league. Also was the #2 guy on a 50 win team every year.



    Zion looks awesome. He might be the best player in the NBA. But I remember when markelle Fultz was the next James Harden



    Zion is typically considered to be in the Davis/Oden/Durant level of prospect.these guys rarely miss....but Blake is still really good. I remember Jalen Rose yelling at guys about Wiggins, saying he'll be lucky to be as good as DeMar DeRozan (this was before DeRozan made his leap even). He'll never be as good as DeRozan.



    So we'll see. But he's an awesome prospect
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