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Is Jordan Spieth done being a Top 10 Tour Player?

vokiedokievokiedokie Members Posts: 28 ✭✭
edited March 15 in Tour Talk
Hey y'all, I want to believe in Jordan so bad. Some say he's actually overachieved himself by his current list of wins (especially majors), but I like to believe that he is the real deal and can compete just as well as anyone else.



What do y'all think? Has Jordan already peaked or will we see a resurgence of greatness?!



EDIT:



Just found this article and it hurts my heart..



https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2825912-jordan-spieth-misses-cut-after-lackluster-players-championship-2nd-round
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  • darredondo09darredondo09 Advanced Members Posts: 162 ✭✭
    He's currently ranked 25, so for now I'd say ... yes
  • caniac6caniac6 Advanced Members Posts: 2,611 ✭✭
    #25, and dropping like a rock. It seems like every part of his game is suffering.
  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Advanced Members Posts: 24,213 ✭✭
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Advanced Members Posts: 990 ✭✭
    And here we go again
  • SilverBulletsSilverBullets BMW Advanced Members Posts: 5,860
    The dude hasn't taken a Top 10 in 8 months. He's nowhere near a top 10 player on tour right now.



    He's young, he will figure things out. He may never play at the level we saw him play a few years ago but he has an immense amount of talent and will figure things out.
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  • DLBTide7DLBTide7 Members Posts: 62 ✭✭
    From GolfChannel.com...,,



    Entering this week (Players) , Spieth sat in the bottom half of every major statistical category – a shocking slip for a player who, at one point in his career, ranked as one of the elite players in every facet of the game:



    • He ranked seventh on Tour in strokes gained: off the tee in 2013. Currently, he’s 197th.



    • He ranked first on Tour in iron play in 2017. Currently, he’s 116th.



    • He ranked seventh on Tour around the green in 2015. Currently, he’s 132nd.



    • He ranked second on Tour in putting in 2016. Currently, he’s 114th.



    As Hank Haney stared (paraphrasing), “When a player comes to me we go to the area of most urgent need. With Jordan, I would not even know where to start”.
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  • BrianMcGBrianMcG Advanced Members Posts: 2,130 ✭✭
    Yikes.
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  • dabuddabud John Members Posts: 35
    I honestly don't think he enjoys playing golf anymore because all he does is complain after every shot, good or bad





    so unless he changes his overall attitude toward golf I don't think I'll ever be top 10 again
  • lowheellowheel LOWHEEL Advanced Members Posts: 5,799 ✭✭
    dabud wrote:


    I honestly don't think he enjoys playing golf anymore because all he does is complain after every shot, good or bad





    so unless he changes his overall attitude toward golf I don't think I'll ever be top 10 again




    I guess its the first time youve watched him? hes like that when hes winning and #1 in the world.
  • gvogelgvogel Advanced Members Posts: 6,989 ✭✭
    Danny Choo, is that you?
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  • gvogelgvogel Advanced Members Posts: 6,989 ✭✭
    I never really warmed up to him, but I feel sorry for him now. He did it with smoke and mirrors for a couple of years.



    On the other hand, he has more game than Danny Willett.
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Advanced Members Posts: 24,213 ✭✭
    edited March 15
    DLBTide7 wrote:


    From GolfChannel.com...,,



    Entering this week (Players) , Spieth sat in the bottom half of every major statistical category – a shocking slip for a player who, at one point in his career, ranked as one of the elite players in every facet of the game:



    • He ranked seventh on Tour in strokes gained: off the tee in 2013. Currently, he’s 197th.



    • He ranked first on Tour in iron play in 2017. Currently, he’s 116th.



    • He ranked seventh on Tour around the green in 2015. Currently, he’s 132nd.



    • He ranked second on Tour in putting in 2016. Currently, he’s 114th.



    As Hank Haney stared (paraphrasing), “When a player comes to me we go to the area of most urgent need. With Jordan, I would not even know where to start”.




    Haney is a hack. Only worse person to comment would’ve been Breed.



    Wouldn’t know where to start ? Glad he admits it.
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  • tideridertiderider Advanced Members Posts: 1,309 ✭✭
    gvogel wrote:


    I never really warmed up to him, but I feel sorry for him now. He did it with smoke and mirrors for a couple of years.



    On the other hand, he has more game than Danny Willett.




    please explain the "smoke and mirrors" he used ... tia ...
  • caniac6caniac6 Advanced Members Posts: 2,611 ✭✭

    DLBTide7 wrote:


    From GolfChannel.com...,,



    Entering this week (Players) , Spieth sat in the bottom half of every major statistical category – a shocking slip for a player who, at one point in his career, ranked as one of the elite players in every facet of the game:



    • He ranked seventh on Tour in strokes gained: off the tee in 2013. Currently, he’s 197th.



    • He ranked first on Tour in iron play in 2017. Currently, he’s 116th.



    • He ranked seventh on Tour around the green in 2015. Currently, he’s 132nd.



    • He ranked second on Tour in putting in 2016. Currently, he’s 114th.



    As Hank Haney stared (paraphrasing), “When a player comes to me we go to the area of most urgent need. With Jordan, I would not even know where to start”.




    Haney is a hack. Only worse person to comment would’ve been Breed.



    Wouldn’t know where to start ? Glad he admits it.
    Can't really argue with those stats regardless of your opinion of Hank.
  • farmerfarmer Advanced Members Posts: 7,714 ✭✭
    I wonder if he started chasing length? I would start by improving his driving. That would make the rest easier.
  • imakaveliimakaveli Moli Moli Moli Moli Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy... Advanced Members Posts: 12,373
    According to owgr yes
  • Pent08Pent08 Advanced Members Posts: 867 ✭✭
    His game off the tee is easily his biggest issue. If his game keeps declining, his fan base won't be large enough to find his tee shots.
  • agolf1agolf1 Advanced Members Posts: 511 ✭✭
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  • Big Cat 3Big Cat 3 Advanced Members Posts: 461 ✭✭

    DLBTide7 wrote:


    From GolfChannel.com...,,



    Entering this week (Players) , Spieth sat in the bottom half of every major statistical category – a shocking slip for a player who, at one point in his career, ranked as one of the elite players in every facet of the game:



    • He ranked seventh on Tour in strokes gained: off the tee in 2013. Currently, he’s 197th.



    • He ranked first on Tour in iron play in 2017. Currently, he’s 116th.



    • He ranked seventh on Tour around the green in 2015. Currently, he’s 132nd.



    • He ranked second on Tour in putting in 2016. Currently, he’s 114th.



    As Hank Haney stared (paraphrasing), “When a player comes to me we go to the area of most urgent need. With Jordan, I would not even know where to start”.




    Haney is a hack. Only worse person to comment would’ve been Breed.



    Wouldn’t know where to start ? Glad he admits it.
    that podcast with the stammering and repeated whining about Tiger firing his **** ... pathetic
  • North TexasNorth Texas Advanced Members Posts: 3,878
    edited March 15
    Only 3 players made more birdies than Spieth in the first two rounds of the Players and only by 1.



    Spieth made as many birdies in the first 2 rounds as Jim Furyk. And Furyk beat him by 10 shots.



    Mind-boggling.
  • North TexasNorth Texas Advanced Members Posts: 3,878

    DLBTide7 wrote:


    From GolfChannel.com...,,



    Entering this week (Players) , Spieth sat in the bottom half of every major statistical category – a shocking slip for a player who, at one point in his career, ranked as one of the elite players in every facet of the game:



    • He ranked seventh on Tour in strokes gained: off the tee in 2013. Currently, he’s 197th.



    • He ranked first on Tour in iron play in 2017. Currently, he’s 116th.



    • He ranked seventh on Tour around the green in 2015. Currently, he’s 132nd.



    • He ranked second on Tour in putting in 2016. Currently, he’s 114th.



    As Hank Haney stared (paraphrasing), “When a player comes to me we go to the area of most urgent need. With Jordan, I would not even know where to start”.




    Haney is a hack. Only worse person to comment would’ve been Breed.



    Wouldn’t know where to start ? Glad he admits it.




    Haney is absolutely terrible.
  • North TexasNorth Texas Advanced Members Posts: 3,878
    A poster on another site I frequent knows a PGA pro who says that Cameron McCormick has Spieth so full of swing thoghts, feels, techniques, etc that he is totally lost.
  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Advanced Members Posts: 11,362 ✭✭
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  • 00steven00steven Advanced Members Posts: 144 ✭✭
    Jordan Spieth needs to figure it out quick to live up to the potential he has. He’ll still win tournaments regardless time to time but he has top ten ALL TIME potential.
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    Go to butch....
  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Advanced Members Posts: 24,213 ✭✭
    caniac6 wrote:


    DLBTide7 wrote:


    From GolfChannel.com...,,



    Entering this week (Players) , Spieth sat in the bottom half of every major statistical category – a shocking slip for a player who, at one point in his career, ranked as one of the elite players in every facet of the game:



    • He ranked seventh on Tour in strokes gained: off the tee in 2013. Currently, he’s 197th.



    • He ranked first on Tour in iron play in 2017. Currently, he’s 116th.



    • He ranked seventh on Tour around the green in 2015. Currently, he’s 132nd.



    • He ranked second on Tour in putting in 2016. Currently, he’s 114th.



    As Hank Haney stared (paraphrasing), “When a player comes to me we go to the area of most urgent need. With Jordan, I would not even know where to start”.




    Haney is a hack. Only worse person to comment would’ve been Breed.



    Wouldn’t know where to start ? Glad he admits it.
    Can't really argue with those stats regardless of your opinion of Hank.




    Did I argue with the stats ?



    I simply said that Haneys stats running his mouth are just as bad.
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Advanced Members Posts: 24,213 ✭✭
    edited March 15


    Only 3 players made more birdies than Spieth in the first two rounds of the Players and only by 1.



    Spieth made as many birdies in the first 2 rounds as Jim Furyk. And Furyk beat him by 10 shots.



    Mind-boggling.




    I started to say the same. That points to a head issue. He’s still scoring. It’s jist the big blowup holes or shots.


    Big Cat 3 wrote:


    DLBTide7 wrote:


    From GolfChannel.com...,,



    Entering this week (Players) , Spieth sat in the bottom half of every major statistical category – a shocking slip for a player who, at one point in his career, ranked as one of the elite players in every facet of the game:



    • He ranked seventh on Tour in strokes gained: off the tee in 2013. Currently, he’s 197th.



    • He ranked first on Tour in iron play in 2017. Currently, he’s 116th.



    • He ranked seventh on Tour around the green in 2015. Currently, he’s 132nd.



    • He ranked second on Tour in putting in 2016. Currently, he’s 114th.



    As Hank Haney stared (paraphrasing), “When a player comes to me we go to the area of most urgent need. With Jordan, I would not even know where to start”.




    Haney is a hack. Only worse person to comment would’ve been Breed.



    Wouldn’t know where to start ? Glad he admits it.
    that podcast with the stammering and repeated whining about Tiger firing his **** ... pathetic




    He lost me a long time ago with “ the popsicle “. Get a real job man !



    https://amp.businessinsider.com/tiger-woods-haney-popsicle-2012-3





    If you’re sitting watching tv with your bud ( who watches tv with a purely business relationship ) and he grabs a popsicle and doesn’t offer you one , you get up and get your own. If he says something you throw it at him. Haney was such a pansie that he tucked tail between his legs and not only didn’t get a popsicle. But sat and watched tv with tiger and sulked about it ? How can anyone respect a gutless wonder like that ?
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  • lowheellowheel LOWHEEL Advanced Members Posts: 5,799 ✭✭
    gvogel wrote:


    I never really warmed up to him, but I feel sorry for him now. He did it with smoke and mirrors for a couple of years.



    On the other hand, he has more game than Danny Willett.




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  • DLBTide7DLBTide7 Members Posts: 62 ✭✭

    DLBTide7 wrote:


    From GolfChannel.com...,,



    Entering this week (Players) , Spieth sat in the bottom half of every major statistical category – a shocking slip for a player who, at one point in his career, ranked as one of the elite players in every facet of the game:



    • He ranked seventh on Tour in strokes gained: off the tee in 2013. Currently, he’s 197th.



    • He ranked first on Tour in iron play in 2017. Currently, he’s 116th.



    • He ranked seventh on Tour around the green in 2015. Currently, he’s 132nd.



    • He ranked second on Tour in putting in 2016. Currently, he’s 114th.



    As Hank Haney stared (paraphrasing), “When a player comes to me we go to the area of most urgent need. With Jordan, I would not even know where to start”.




    Haney is a hack. Only worse person to comment would’ve been Breed.



    Wouldn’t know where to start ? Glad he admits it.




    I am not a fan of Haney’s; but his point was a good one and well founded.
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  • DLBTide7DLBTide7 Members Posts: 62 ✭✭

    caniac6 wrote:


    DLBTide7 wrote:


    From GolfChannel.com...,,



    Entering this week (Players) , Spieth sat in the bottom half of every major statistical category – a shocking slip for a player who, at one point in his career, ranked as one of the elite players in every facet of the game:



    • He ranked seventh on Tour in strokes gained: off the tee in 2013. Currently, he’s 197th.



    • He ranked first on Tour in iron play in 2017. Currently, he’s 116th.



    • He ranked seventh on Tour around the green in 2015. Currently, he’s 132nd.



    • He ranked second on Tour in putting in 2016. Currently, he’s 114th.



    As Hank Haney stared (paraphrasing), “When a player comes to me we go to the area of most urgent need. With Jordan, I would not even know where to start”.




    Haney is a hack. Only worse person to comment would’ve been Breed.



    Wouldn’t know where to start ? Glad he admits it.
    Can't really argue with those stats regardless of your opinion of Hank.




    Did I argue with the stats ?



    I simply said that Haneys stats running his mouth are just as bad.




    We get it that you don’t like Haney.
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  • rafalrafal Advanced Members Posts: 5,755 ✭✭
    Spieth is so irrelevant now, threads about him turn into discussion of Hank Haney's legacy instead.
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  • randywildmanrandywildman Advanced Members Posts: 865
    rafal wrote:


    Spieth is so irrelevant now, threads about him turn into discussion of Hank Haney's legacy instead.




    Wow this is fun. Speith was about 3 or 4 putts made last year from winning, not one, but Two Majors. Dude is 25 has the scoring record at Augusta and has one green jacket and what 3 runner's up. If he is off a year or two, no big. If in 3 years he has not won or looks like he might never again, then this thread might be relevent.
  • agolf1agolf1 Advanced Members Posts: 511 ✭✭

    rafal wrote:


    Spieth is so irrelevant now, threads about him turn into discussion of Hank Haney's legacy instead.




    Wow this is fun. Speith was about 3 or 4 putts made last year from winning, not one, but Two Majors. Dude is 25 has the scoring record at Augusta and has one green jacket and what 3 runner's up. If he is off a year or two, no big. If in 3 years he has not won or looks like he might never again, then this thread might be relevent.


    Kind of true that he's only been off a year+. But he's not even close right now / late last year.



    Tiger and Rory could have won two majors as well. And Adam Scott one. But none of them did...
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Advanced Members Posts: 24,213 ✭✭
    DLBTide7 wrote:


    caniac6 wrote:


    DLBTide7 wrote:


    From GolfChannel.com...,,



    Entering this week (Players) , Spieth sat in the bottom half of every major statistical category – a shocking slip for a player who, at one point in his career, ranked as one of the elite players in every facet of the game:



    • He ranked seventh on Tour in strokes gained: off the tee in 2013. Currently, he’s 197th.



    • He ranked first on Tour in iron play in 2017. Currently, he’s 116th.



    • He ranked seventh on Tour around the green in 2015. Currently, he’s 132nd.



    • He ranked second on Tour in putting in 2016. Currently, he’s 114th.



    As Hank Haney stared (paraphrasing), “When a player comes to me we go to the area of most urgent need. With Jordan, I would not even know where to start”.




    Haney is a hack. Only worse person to comment would’ve been Breed.



    Wouldn’t know where to start ? Glad he admits it.
    Can't really argue with those stats regardless of your opinion of Hank.




    Did I argue with the stats ?



    I simply said that Haneys stats running his mouth are just as bad.




    We get it that you don’t like Haney.




    Well. When he’s the constant point of reference used in these hit piece threads , someone has to point out that he’s really got no room to discuss other people’s short comings.
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  • iBanestoiBanesto Niclas Fasth Advanced Members Posts: 4,389 ✭✭
    Is this Baker-Finch-Duval-esque of a downfall?



    But with 3 majors instead of 1 major.
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    It's golf! It comes and goes, that's why the same person doesn't win every week.
  •  SwooshLT SwooshLT Advanced Members Posts: 6,925 ✭✭



    Only 3 players made more birdies than Spieth in the first two rounds of the Players and only by 1.



    Spieth made as many birdies in the first 2 rounds as Jim Furyk. And Furyk beat him by 10 shots.



    Mind-boggling.




    I started to say the same. That points to a head issue. He’s still scoring. It’s jist the big blowup holes or shots.


    Big Cat 3 wrote:


    DLBTide7 wrote:


    From GolfChannel.com...,,



    Entering this week (Players) , Spieth sat in the bottom half of every major statistical category – a shocking slip for a player who, at one point in his career, ranked as one of the elite players in every facet of the game:



    • He ranked seventh on Tour in strokes gained: off the tee in 2013. Currently, he’s 197th.



    • He ranked first on Tour in iron play in 2017. Currently, he’s 116th.



    • He ranked seventh on Tour around the green in 2015. Currently, he’s 132nd.



    • He ranked second on Tour in putting in 2016. Currently, he’s 114th.



    As Hank Haney stared (paraphrasing), “When a player comes to me we go to the area of most urgent need. With Jordan, I would not even know where to start”.




    Haney is a hack. Only worse person to comment would’ve been Breed.



    Wouldn’t know where to start ? Glad he admits it.
    that podcast with the stammering and repeated whining about Tiger firing his **** ... pathetic




    He lost me a long time ago with “ the popsicle “. Get a real job man !



    https://amp.businessinsider.com/tiger-woods-haney-popsicle-2012-3





    If you’re sitting watching tv with your bud ( who watches tv with a purely business relationship ) and he grabs a popsicle and doesn’t offer you one , you get up and get your own. If he says something you throw it at him. Haney was such a pansie that he tucked tail between his legs and not only didn’t get a popsicle. But sat and watched tv with tiger and sulked about it ? How can anyone respect a gutless wonder like that ?




    AND he's missing a TON of short putts!
  • gvogelgvogel Advanced Members Posts: 6,989 ✭✭
    Based on his recent play, I don't think that Spieth should be on the Presidents Cup team.
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  • agolf1agolf1 Advanced Members Posts: 511 ✭✭
    gvogel wrote:


    Based on his recent play, I don't think that Spieth should be on the Presidents Cup team.


    If it ended now, no. But I bet he would get picked.
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  • rjp322rjp322 Advanced Members Posts: 3,104 ✭✭
    Is he currently lost? No doubt. However it’s very rare for talent to just completely disappear. He will figure it out
  • Roadking2003Roadking2003 Advanced Members Posts: 4,913 ✭✭

    rafal wrote:


    Spieth is so irrelevant now, threads about him turn into discussion of Hank Haney's legacy instead.




    Wow this is fun. Speith was about 3 or 4 putts made last year from winning, not one, but Two Majors. Dude is 25 has the scoring record at Augusta and has one green jacket and what 3 runner's up. If he is off a year or two, no big. If in 3 years he has not won or looks like he might never again, then this thread might be relevent.






    I believe his problems started when he got mononucleosis ......maybe he still has lingering effects.
  • vokiedokievokiedokie Members Posts: 28 ✭✭


    He's currently ranked 25, so for now I'd say ... yes




    Haha, yes.. that's true.. I didn't realize how literal my question actually was, hahaha.
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    Choo ? That you ?




    I actually don't get this, haha..

    gvogel wrote:


    Danny Choo, is that you?




    I don't understand this reference!
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    Putter | Scotty Cameron Newport 2
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  • vokiedokievokiedokie Members Posts: 28 ✭✭
    cardoustie wrote:


    A Choo Choo recruit




    3rd reference to "Choo" and I still don't get it, lol.
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  • gvogelgvogel Advanced Members Posts: 6,989 ✭✭
    vokiedokie wrote:

    cardoustie wrote:


    A Choo Choo recruit




    3rd reference to "Choo" and I still don't get it, lol.




    A little help. We went down this road a couple of weeks ago.



    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1738818-jordan-speith-worse-drought-is-yet-to-come/
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  • dropkickeddropkicked Advanced Members Posts: 255 ✭✭
    Not a JS, fan.. but I feel bad for the kid.. He needs to go full on Rockie 4...

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    or not...
  • North TexasNorth Texas Advanced Members Posts: 3,878


    rafal wrote:


    Spieth is so irrelevant now, threads about him turn into discussion of Hank Haney's legacy instead.




    Wow this is fun. Speith was about 3 or 4 putts made last year from winning, not one, but Two Majors. Dude is 25 has the scoring record at Augusta and has one green jacket and what 3 runner's up. If he is off a year or two, no big. If in 3 years he has not won or looks like he might never again, then this thread might be relevent.






    I believe his problems started when he got mononucleosis ......maybe he still has lingering effects.




    Frank Nobilo also mentioned that Spieth had hurt his left ankle surfing while in Australia last year. Said very few people were aware of that and that maybe it had affected his swing somehow. Who knows.
  • Steele47Steele47 Advanced Members Posts: 1,133 ✭✭
    Oh cool. I see Choo's back in the saddle.
  • dlygrissedlygrisse Advanced Members Posts: 12,941 ✭✭
    To me it seems it’s his driver. When playing well he never hit it that long but knew where his misses were going. Now he seems to be chasing distance and a bad drive leads to a poor iron. A poor iron leaves a difficult up and down. A difficult chip leads to a tough putt. A missed putt leads to a loss of confidence.



    I’d fix the driving first.

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  • North TexasNorth Texas Advanced Members Posts: 3,878
    The other night there was also a pretty interesting discussion with Chamblee, Nobilo, and Duval.



    Basically talking about sometimes a player just needs to figure it out for himself without the help of teachers and gurus like Nicklaus used to do. I tend to think there is some validity to this. Saw Spieth on the putting green the other day and he would turn around and talk to McCormick literally after every putt. Heck, they showed Spieth just walking to the practice area and he and McCormick were carrying on a back and forth conversation that didn't really look like just a casual chit-chat.
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