Evnroll Not the #1 Most Wanted Blade Putter??!??!!

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willseowillseo  116WRX Points: 33Handicap: 8Members Posts: 116 Fairways
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Is it me or is anyone else not surprised that an Evnroll isn't even in the top 3 of ****'s most wanted list in 2019? They kept harping on the fact that their groove tech was for real and that not all putter face tech was the same. Some of their results are making me think that by pooling and averaging all that data, you start to get to a point where the differences in performance are razor thin and there isn't much in it between a #1 or a #10 performer. 
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Ping G410 15 - Tensei PRO White 70TX
Titleist 818 H2 21 - Atmos Tour Spec Blue 8S
Mizuno JPX919 Forged 5-GW - Project X LZ 6.0
Ping Glide 3.0 54SS
Taylormade Hi-Toe 58 ATV
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  • jayzero51jayzero51 Orange County 7WRX Points: 17Handicap: 9.4Members Posts: 7 Bunkers
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    Do you believe in face tech becoming normalized by other face tech? 
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  • RichieHuntRichieHunt  3977WRX Points: 611Members Posts: 3,977 Titanium Tees
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    Did well on 10-foot and 15-foot putts, but they struggled on 5-footers for whatever reason.  I do see that the measured loft on those putters was at 1.7 (spec sheet says they are supposed to be 2 degrees).  That is a pretty low loft for a putter, particularly for higher handicap golfers.  Perhaps if the loft was at spec, they do better.



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  • kiw1982kiw1982 Williamsburg, VA 1235WRX Points: 161Handicap: 9Members Posts: 1,235 Platinum Tees
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    Putting is the most personal part of the game.
    I do not trust the tests by the others.

    I have owned evnroll out of curiosity.
    It is just a another putter to me. Their argument with the groove is also hard to believe. 

     I saw three different evnroll putters and they were not consistent enough to me.

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  • puttingmattputtingmatt puttingmatt Summer/ Michigan-- Winter/ Florida 5392WRX Points: 475Handicap: 4Members Posts: 5,392 Titanium Tees
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    I own an evnroll putter, and have had great success
    with it. As with everything in equipment, YMMV.
    Putters are only as good as the person who uses it,
    Lots to choose from.
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  • lookylookitzadamlookylookitzadam SoCal 614WRX Points: 218Handicap: 2.7Members Posts: 614 Golden Tee
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    I have had one for a long while now and I cant seem to replace it.  I keep trying to place something else because I have other putters to choose from but for me the results dont lie.  I average two strokes less per round with the evenroll and I dont know why.
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  • DFS PFDDFS PFD  1446WRX Points: 652Handicap: 1.8Members Posts: 1,446 Platinum Tees
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    Of course it struggled in the metrics at 5', the putter designed to be ultra forgiving on mishits, and will outperform (relative to others) on longer putts where players miss the center more often. 
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  • RichieHuntRichieHunt  3977WRX Points: 611Members Posts: 3,977 Titanium Tees
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    kiw1982 said:
    Putting is the most personal part of the game.
    I do not trust the tests by the others.

    I have owned evnroll out of curiosity.
    It is just a another putter to me. Their argument with the groove is also hard to believe. 

     I saw three different evnroll putters and they were not consistent enough to me.

    The arguments about the grooves with regards to ball speed and distance are not hard to believe for me.  This has been confirmed on several different, independent studies using the Quintic Ball Roll.  And it makes sense.  

    The 'gearing' of the ball's roll is a little more difficult to believe for me.  But again, independent studies using Quintic Ball roll lend credence to that claim.

    I will say that one of the putters they tested was the TS1.  That's the one with all that offset.  That may have been too radical of a putter to try.  And another thing...when I bought the ER1.2, the grip was not installed correctly.  It was open considerably.  By my measurements, it was ~1.4 degrees open using a Husky Digital Bubble level.  The ER2.2 was measured at 1.8* loft instead of the spec'd 2.0* loft.  

    So, I could see some possible Quality Control issues.  And I would think that on 5-foot putts...somethign like the grip being off would have the most impact



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  • BlackM00NlightBlackM00Nlight Iowa 3667WRX Points: 615Handicap: 6Members Posts: 3,667 Titanium Tees
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    Yeah, it’s hard to take their info as real when they brag about groove technology for 2 years. Evnroll is the best and beats everyone else in every category. Then the #2 is Ping with their grooves. So what happens?? Taylormade and their crappy aluminum insert wins?! Smells funny.. 💩
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  • larciellarciel I play for eagle  2470WRX Points: 260Members Posts: 2,470 Platinum Tees
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    They missed the deposit this time.



    J/k
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  • willseowillseo  116WRX Points: 33Handicap: 8Members Posts: 116 Fairways
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    Yeah, it’s hard to take their info as real when they brag about groove technology for 2 years. Evnroll is the best and beats everyone else in every category. Then the #2 is Ping with their grooves. So what happens?? Taylormade and their crappy aluminum insert wins?! Smells funny.. 💩
    Yeah I remember for a long time how **** would tout that "not all face tech is equal". How the Evnroll groove tech was different to all the other face tech out there. And now a Taylormade putter that hasn't changed for several years wins out as best performing. Why did it not perform as well in previous years then?
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    Titleist 818 H2 21 - Atmos Tour Spec Blue 8S
    Mizuno JPX919 Forged 5-GW - Project X LZ 6.0
    Ping Glide 3.0 54SS
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    Evnroll ER5 or ER2B
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    larciel said:
    They missed the deposit this time.



    J/k
    Hilarious. But I have noticed that I haven't been seeing Evnroll adds on their page for a while now. 
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    Ping G410 15 - Tensei PRO White 70TX
    Titleist 818 H2 21 - Atmos Tour Spec Blue 8S
    Mizuno JPX919 Forged 5-GW - Project X LZ 6.0
    Ping Glide 3.0 54SS
    Taylormade Hi-Toe 58 ATV
    Evnroll ER5 or ER2B
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  • willseowillseo  116WRX Points: 33Handicap: 8Members Posts: 116 Fairways
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    Did well on 10-foot and 15-foot putts, but they struggled on 5-footers for whatever reason.  I do see that the measured loft on those putters was at 1.7 (spec sheet says they are supposed to be 2 degrees).  That is a pretty low loft for a putter, particularly for higher handicap golfers.  Perhaps if the loft was at spec, they do better.



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    I guess that was somewhat the conclusion I was getting at. The differences in performance being measured is so small that any little variable (such as loft being off slightly) could possibly throw off the results. 
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    Ping G410 15 - Tensei PRO White 70TX
    Titleist 818 H2 21 - Atmos Tour Spec Blue 8S
    Mizuno JPX919 Forged 5-GW - Project X LZ 6.0
    Ping Glide 3.0 54SS
    Taylormade Hi-Toe 58 ATV
    Evnroll ER5 or ER2B
  • sbjinxsbjinx Orange County 2528WRX Points: 236Members Posts: 2,528 Titanium Tees
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    I’ve never been a fan of the **** tests. It seems like they have such a large griup of testers that it ends up normalizing the results. Look at the driver test. Callaway won but by margins that really don’t matter in real life. So maybe the story they are telling is it doesn’t matter much anymore because everyone makes really good clubs now (which is what a lot of us have figured in our own testing). For putters, you’d think the same putters that were in the testing last year would end up with the same results but this year evnroll isn’t the top club. Plus the way they run their social media seems like they are looking for clicks or trying to stir **** up. 
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    GSS turns 10 footers into give me's , per Titleist Trademarked Metal

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  • willseowillseo  116WRX Points: 33Handicap: 8Members Posts: 116 Fairways
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    I agree with sbjinx about them trying to stir **** up. They're responding to their instagram readers saying that we don't understand putter testing and therefore have no voice in the matter. BTW, I'm an engineer and work with test data all day so I know how statistics work.

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    Titleist 818 H2 21 - Atmos Tour Spec Blue 8S
    Mizuno JPX919 Forged 5-GW - Project X LZ 6.0
    Ping Glide 3.0 54SS
    Taylormade Hi-Toe 58 ATV
    Evnroll ER5 or ER2B
  • bhj83bhj83 Kansas City 786WRX Points: 105Handicap: 3.8Members Posts: 786 Golden Tee
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    One of the things I wish they would do is continue to keep the previous year's winner or maybe top 3 in the tests going forward. Instead, they will use a completely different putter. For instance, they used the ER2 a few years back and it won, then they used the ER3 the following year. I'd like to see if that older putter still wins against the newer ones.

    On another note, I have the original Juno (silver version) so apparently I have the #1 putter unless they changed anything but the color with the copper version :smiley:

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  • willseowillseo  116WRX Points: 33Handicap: 8Members Posts: 116 Fairways
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    Okay so I checked the last few years of Most Wanted Blade Putter results and it looks like the TM Juno was the #2 performer in 2017 and 2018. So I guess that putter has been somewhat consistent in being highly ranked.

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    Mizuno JPX919 Forged 5-GW - Project X LZ 6.0
    Ping Glide 3.0 54SS
    Taylormade Hi-Toe 58 ATV
    Evnroll ER5 or ER2B
  • nova6868nova6868  4884WRX Points: 268Handicap: 2.1Members Posts: 4,884 Titanium Tees
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    These "tests" and their BIG DATA are essentially useless and I'm not at all surprised by this.

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  • RTEM5746RTEM5746  23WRX Points: 25Handicap: 4Members Posts: 23 Bunkers
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    It is odd that Evnroll fell off the list completely this year. I used to think these guys could be relatively well trusted in the info they give out but when they came out with their online fitting tool for drivers they lost a ton of credibility in my eyes. Having said that I'm still interested by Evnroll, the tech does seem to stack up in my mind for distance control at least.

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    Evnroll only submitted new putter models this year and other putters are getting better. If they had submitted their old winnners (ER2, ER3, ER8), maybe we'd see different results.

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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16  8922WRX Points: 1,202Members Posts: 8,922 Titanium Tees
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    They average out and dilute their test results so horribly, no meaningful conclusions can, nor should be drawn from their tests.

    How in the bloody **** is giving the same shaft and driver to 10 different guys, with 10 different skill levels ranging from 90-120mph club speed and +3 to 20hc going to provide anything truly meaningful? The ONLY one I could see being somewhat useful is if/when they post CG/MOI data (because it's just factual) and 'best driver for X swing speed' results.

    Regarding this specific test, one thing I did like, but is also a negative of their test somewhat, is they post the lies, lofts, SW and length of each putter as tested. I think this is great to show you how different stock putters are... Very good info to show. However, since everything is so different, it makes the conclusions pretty much useless because the same players are putting with multiple variables changing, yet probably trying to make the same putting stroke. Personally, I am a bit shorter (5'9'' or so) but like a 35'' putter because I stand very upright, very similar to a Rickie Fowler stance. As far as I can see, only one putter is 35'' and the rest are shorter, with a bunch being under 34''. This would literally wreck my stroke and stance and I would stand little chance at holing putts like I could with a normal 35'' set up, especially from further away. This can't be taken into account during post processing because "what could have been" is impossible to know. I could be a tester using a 33.5'' putter that is horrible for me in stock form due to my stance and stroke, but if you gave me a 35'' putter with the right lie and SW, and it could be my dream putter. Doing a massive test on simple stock configs is pretty useless since most competitive/avid/serious golfers should go get their putters fit.

    It's stuff like this that makes me brush any of their testing off. It's too generic to be more than just entertainment and mildly informational. Plus, the fact who ever runs their social media looks to be pretty immature and engages in actual pissing matches with random people online, doesn't make me take them too seriously.

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    GW - Glide 3.0 50/12 | S400 Tour Issue
    SW - Glide 3.0 54/12| S400 Tour Issue
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    On -, @Z1ggy16 said:

    They average out and dilute their test results so horribly, no meaningful conclusions can, nor should be drawn from their tests.

    How in the bloody **** is giving the same shaft and driver to 10 different guys, with 10 different skill levels ranging from 90-120mph club speed and +3 to 20hc going to provide anything truly meaningful? The ONLY one I could see being somewhat useful is if/when they post CG/MOI data (because it's just factual) and 'best driver for X swing speed' results.

    Same head & shaft for different skill levels is meaningless but best driver for X swing speed is meaningful ? LMAO

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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16  8922WRX Points: 1,202Members Posts: 8,922 Titanium Tees
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    It's better than saying, hey here's the best driver averaged out between a difference of 35mph club speed and 20 index points, with probably half the testers using a horribly fit set up. At least there's less change between the inputs so it's SOMEWHAT USEFUL, if you wanna quote me.

    Are you disagreeing, trolling me, or....? I was attempting to provide a thoughtful opinion, don't really care if I'm right or wrong.

    ...Oh gosh don't tell me you're an MG$ fanboi. If you are, I'll save myself the hassle and quietly exit.

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    5w - '17 M1 | Tensei Pro Blue 70
    4h - 818H1 | Tensei Pro White 90
    Irons - P760 5-PW | Modus 120
    GW - Glide 3.0 50/12 | S400 Tour Issue
    SW - Glide 3.0 54/12| S400 Tour Issue
    LW - Glide 3.0 58/10 | S400 Tour Issue
    P - Custom EVNROLL ER5
    Ball - Bridgestone BXS



  • bhj83bhj83 Kansas City 786WRX Points: 105Handicap: 3.8Members Posts: 786 Golden Tee
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    I also wonder about timing in the process. For instance, if I'm standing there for an hour putting with different putters, I'm probably going to be a little tired and not hitting my best putts near the end of that hour. How do they account for that?

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    On -, @Z1ggy16 said:

    It's better than saying, hey here's the best driver averaged out between a different of 35mph club speed and 20 index points. At least there's less change between the inputs so it's SOMEWHAT USEFUL, if you wanna quote me.

    Are you disagreeing, trolling me, or....? I was attempting to provide a thoughtful opinion, don't really care if I'm right or wrong.

    Oh gosh don't tell me you're an MG$ fanboi. If you are, I'll save myself the hassle and quietly exit.

    Glad to hear you don't care if it's right or wrong. And I'm simply disagreeing with your "thoughtful opinion".

    It MAY be "better". YMMV. But since it's not a useful measuring stick, CAN it be "better" ?

    But YOU quietly exiting on anything golf equipment related ? I'll take that bet. The Earth starting to rotate in the opposite direction seems more likely. LOL

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    Adams A12 Pro hybrids, 16*, Aldila VS Proto Stiff
    Ping G400 19* hybrid Stiff 70 Stock shaft

    Ping G20, 5-PW, DGS300
    Ping Glide Forged 48*, 52* 56*, 60* DGS300
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    On -, @willseo said:

    I agree with sbjinx about them trying to stir **** up. They're responding to their instagram readers saying that we don't understand putter testing and therefore have no voice in the matter. BTW, I'm an engineer and work with test data all day so I know how statistics work.

    They are very good at that tactic.

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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16  8922WRX Points: 1,202Members Posts: 8,922 Titanium Tees
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    Uh ok.

    I'm curious though, what makes their testing valid then? What does averaging out 20 different golfers data and crowning a club "best" signify for you? Are you running out and buying the #1 putter/driver/X Club every year because they say so?

    You saying you just "disagree" is fine , everybody has their own thoughts and rationale, which is cool by me. If they didn't the world would kind of suck and be rather dull. But blanket LMAO'ing me because you don't like what I say doesn't really provide much substance to your stance other than you come off as a typical internet crybaby.

    What they do is fun, cool and certainly interesting. But it's a far cry from anything scientific or statistically useful TO ME. You think otherwise, and that's okay.

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    D - Epic SZ | Tour Z Xtreme 465
    3w - '16 Tour Issue M1 (16.5*) | Diamana B 70
    5w - '17 M1 | Tensei Pro Blue 70
    4h - 818H1 | Tensei Pro White 90
    Irons - P760 5-PW | Modus 120
    GW - Glide 3.0 50/12 | S400 Tour Issue
    SW - Glide 3.0 54/12| S400 Tour Issue
    LW - Glide 3.0 58/10 | S400 Tour Issue
    P - Custom EVNROLL ER5
    Ball - Bridgestone BXS



  • jjfcpajjfcpa Driver - Tour Edge EXS 10.5 Omaha, NE 731WRX Points: 239Handicap: 12Members Posts: 731 Golden Tee
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    I have two Evnroll blade putters and when I originally got them, they were exactly what I needed to improve my putting. As time went on, things started to go south and I looked at other putters. I purchased a Scotty Cameron and during the winter and practiced with both and came to the conclusion that the SC was more reliable. I stuck with the SC for about a year and most recently switched to a Stroke Lab One. Once again, after months of comparisons, I found that the SLO was a little better than the SC so I switched to it. From time to time, I will pull out the Evnroll and do some comparison putts just to see if perhaps it might find its way back into the bag, and each time, I find that the SC or SLO gives me better results - more 1 putts and closer to the hole each time.

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  • RTEM5746RTEM5746  23WRX Points: 25Handicap: 4Members Posts: 23 Bunkers
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    There's not a huge amount of subjective testing done on the Evnroll that I can find. I did find one video where a guy used Quintic (is that spelled right?) to test an ER1 and it does back up the claims that Evnroll make, they noted consistent distance and some straightening or gearing of the ball on off-centred hits. It did also find though that the centre of mass of the putter was not in the centre of the face and more towards the heel which is a little concerning.

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    On -, @Z1ggy16 said:

    Uh ok.

    I'm curious though, what makes their testing valid then? What does averaging out 20 different golfers data and crowning a club "best" signify for you? Are you running out and buying the #1 putter/driver/X Club every year because they say so?

    You saying you just "disagree" is fine , everybody has their own thoughts and rationale, which is cool by me. If they didn't the world would kind of suck and be rather dull. But blanket LMAO'ing me because you don't like what I say doesn't really provide much substance to your stance other than you come off as a typical internet crybaby.

    What they do is fun, cool and certainly interesting. But it's a far cry from anything scientific or statistically useful TO ME. You think otherwise, and that's okay.

    Same. I've went the rounds with them many times, and most recently did so on this "test" and their conclusions. They have a high level of arrogance, not confidence, about what they do so they don't really listen to the seriously potentially fatal flaws in their testing. They don't want to hear it.
    My biggest beef is when they put something out (like putters) that is a "Most Accurate..." category or just when they test for accuracy. I fitted clubs for ten years (TT Performance Fitting Center, Fuji Charter dealer, yadi yadi ya) and I was very careful to explain to my customers that it was my job to help them improve center contact messing around with weight, length, lie, etc but it was their job and that of their coach to help them square the face and figure out the path. That's what determines accuracy. GOLF CLUBS AREN'T INHERENTLY ACCURATE OR INACCURATE unless they're milled with 18th century equipment and their faces aren't flat or curved accordingly for bulge and roll.
    In the end they told me that most golfers will improve by using the Taylormade Juno blade because of the data they collected. I disagree strongly, despite the fact that I have no doubt that club is a great putter. In the end their tests are fun, but by no means any true indication of the conclusions they draw. In my opinion of course.

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