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Epic flash sub zero fairway = best fairway of 2019????

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mcc0819mcc0819  653WRX Points: 103Members Posts: 653
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Went to a fairway wood fitting yesterday.  Going into it I was set on the Ping G410 lst or the Titleist ts3.  I ended testing those two heads along with the cobra f9 tour, epic flash sub zero, mizuno st190, and tm m5. 

My driver SS is 114-117 so I tested all heads using 70-85 gram shafts in xflex.  After about 10-15 swings on each head and shaft combo there was a clear winner.  The epic flash sub zero.

 Highest club head speed went with the f9 but spin, carry, and especially dispersion the epic flash was head above better than the rest.  The feel of the club when flushed is good as it gets.  Average carry with the other heads were between 248-255.  With the epic flash, average carry was 262.  Most importantly, my dispersion with the epic flash was what won me over. 

At at the end of the day, I ended up ordering the epic flash sub zero with the Hzrdus smoke 6.5 80 gram shaft.  To be totally honest, I really didn’t even consider the epic flash before my fitting.  Since I’m a ping fanboy, I was really set on the g410 lst.  While that was a solid performer, the performance of the epic flash in comparison with all the other woods were clearly superior. The mizuno st190 and cobra f9 tour were also great performers but are distant 2nd and 3rd place to the epic flash sub zero. 

In conclusion, I can’t wait to get this on the course. It’s easy to hit off the deck and is an absolute cannon off the tee.  For me, this will be my safety net when I’m having off days with the driver.  What are your guys’ experience with the epic flash sub zero fairway?  
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Ping G400 LST AD-DI 7x
Srixon Z F85 3w AD-TP 8x
Taylormade m1 3 hybrid Veylix Rome 988 Wildeye
Srixon Z765 4-pw Nippon Modus 120x
Ping Glide 2.0 50, 54, 58
Odyssey O-Works 1w

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  • bnb9433bnb9433  250WRX Points: 64Members Posts: 250
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    It’s definitely a bomber. I didn’t think anything would kick the rogue SZ out the bag but this did
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    Cobra F9 w/ Atmos Tour Spec Blue 6s
    Epic Flash 3w w/ HZRDUS Smoke 6.0 70g
    Callaway Apex '19 20* 3H
    Ping i200 4-PW w/ PX 6.0
    Titleist SM6 50, 54, 58
    Odyssey O works 7s
    ProV1
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  • mcc0819mcc0819  653WRX Points: 103Members Posts: 653
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    bnb9433 said:
    It’s definitely a bomber. I didn’t think anything would kick the rogue SZ out the bag but this did
    I wasn’t a big fan of the rogue sz which is probably why I had low expectations with the epic flash sz.  Surprised the **** out of me. 
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    Ping G400 LST AD-DI 7x
    Srixon Z F85 3w AD-TP 8x
    Taylormade m1 3 hybrid Veylix Rome 988 Wildeye
    Srixon Z765 4-pw Nippon Modus 120x
    Ping Glide 2.0 50, 54, 58
    Odyssey O-Works 1w

  • craz-ecraz-e  4264WRX Points: 374Members Posts: 4,264
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    I’m in the market for a new fairway wood so thanks for the heads up.
    will certainly look forward to testing this!
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    Driver = Ping G410 Plus even flow black 6.0
    4 wood = Titleist TS2 Even flow white 6.0
    3 iron = Titleist U500 Hzrdus smoke 6.0
    Irons = Titleist 718 CB/MB Project X LZ 6.0
    Wedges = Titleist Vokey SM6 52*, 56*
                  = Ping Glide 3.0 eye 2 60* 
    Putter = Wilson Staff 8882
    Ball = Titleist AVX
  • HifadeHifade Sleepin' on the job. Slacker! Dayton, OH 5347WRX Points: 180Charter Members Posts: 5,347
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    I, too, was all in for the 410 lst but tried and sz and just bought 2 of them to experiment with......absolute bomber
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    PING G410 LST 9* - "Tour Issue" ALTA RED "X" 
    PING G410 15* - MITZ TENSEI PRO ORANGE 70X
    PING G410 17* & 19* - MITZ TENSEI BLUE X & EF BLACK X
    TAYLORMADE BLACK P790's - SPECIAL, TOUR ISSUE, BLACK KBS TOUR V 125'S (HSx1)
    CALLAWAY PM2 54* X & 58* X - ORIGINAL PX Satin 5.5's (HSx1)
    ODYSSEY STROKE LAB EXO 7S - CUSTOM
    2017 BRIDGESTONE B330 Tour #1's & TITLEIST PRO V #1'X
  •  SwooshLT SwooshLT  7233WRX Points: 363Members Posts: 7,233
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    I've only got the standard flash head and it's awesome too

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  • sbjinxsbjinx Orange County 2513WRX Points: 232Members Posts: 2,513
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    I didn’t see a huge improvement over my M2 but the epic fairway woods are the best looking fw in my opinion.

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    Callaway Epic TD - Project X Smoke
    TM M2 - 15*
    Callaway Apex - 19*
    Bridgestone J15 - 4-PW
    Titleist SM7 - 52* & 58*
    Spider X

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  • ian-500ian-500  1003WRX Points: 260Members Posts: 1,003
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    I found that the feel/sound/dispersion was worse compared to my Rogue SZ 15*. I didn't test for distance as it's not what I'm after. Admittedly the shafts weren't the same but.....

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    Taylormade M1 430 8.5* + Tensei CK Pro Blue 60tx.
    Taylormade Original One 14.5* + Tensei CK Pro Blue 80tx.
    ?.....
    Epon AF-Tour 5i - PW + OT Tour 120x.
    Epon 208 KGX 53/59 + OT Tour 110x.
    SeeMore SB1, Accra FX300.
  • phi482phi482  1011WRX Points: 106Members Posts: 1,011
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    I went in to try out Epic Flash because I had a Rogue and wanted a little adjust-ability. I was going to find the standard or sub zero and take advantage of the %50 trade in for the Rogue. I hit the standard a little more consistently with sub zero spinning too little. I then tried the TS3 and hit that just as far as the sub zero but in a tighter dispersion than the standard. Both had the smoke 70g 6.5 flex shaft. So the shop gave me a little more for my trade on the Rogue and left with the TS3. I would have been very happy with either Epic Flash but the TS3 matches the driver I just bought.

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    Titleist TS3 10.5 - Ventus 6x Tester
    Titleist TS3 3 wood - PX Smoke 6.5
    Titleist 718 AP3 3-iron - PX6.5 LZ
    Titleist 712 AP2 4-P - x100
    Vokey SM6 - 50.12, 54.14, 60.10 - s400
    Bettinardi SS3
  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16  8389WRX Points: 953Members Posts: 8,389
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    Would concur (sort of). Last year got fit and Rogue SZ was so much better than everything else. Only reason I didn't pull the trig was I just don't like glued hosels. With the SZ it's a touch flat and I like to put really flat heads into a draw setting if possible, Which means I'm almost definitely getting a Flash SZ head very soon. My LTD head is a winner for sure but it feels like poo on off center hits and the sound is rather tinny and hollow.

    I don't use FW's off the deck much and I currently hate my driver so I can see myself just simply gaming a bomber 3w most of the year and leaving the driver at home. Besides, I can hit my current LTD 270 on firm fairways which means 9/10 a solid strike puts me within a 9i or PW on most courses I play, even if they are softer and roll out is minimal.

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    D - Epic SZ | HZRDUS Smoke Black
    4w - '16 Tour Issue M1 | Diamana B Series
    3h - '17 Tour Issue M1 | Accra TZ6
    Irons - MP-20 SEL 4-PW | Modus 120
    GW - T20 50/7 | Modus 120
    SW - T20 54/8 | Modus 120
    LW - T20 58/12 | Modus 120
    P - Bettinardi 360-M
    Ball - Bridgestone BXS


  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJ 8086WRX Points: 1,336Members Posts: 8,086
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    i hit the TS3, M5/M6 and the PING G410 --- i ended up going with the 3+ flash SZ 3+ wood lofted up for off the tee, and the standard flash 5w for going into long par 5's or shorter par 4's. they've been IDEAL already this season. i've hit quite a few greens in two that i wouldn't have been close to last year simply bc i have more confidence - from 282, 274, and 268 (i know b/c i worte them down -- i was super impressed)

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    Epic Flash SZ / 9* (set D/S) / Fujikura Pro 2.0 TS 6X tipped 1.50"
    Epic Flash SZ / 3+ (set -1/N) / HZRDUS Smoke Black 75g 6.5 tipped 2"
    Epic CF17 3i / Tensei PW Hybrid 100TX
    Apex MB Chrome / 3-PW / Modus 130 X
    MD4 Chrome / 52, 56, 60 / DG 115 S200 (for now)
    Piretti Tour 801R / 35.5"

  • BearQBearQ  3667WRX Points: 850Members Posts: 3,667
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    On -, @gioguy21 said:

    i hit the TS3, M5/M6 and the PING G410 --- i ended up going with the 3+ flash SZ 3+ wood lofted up for off the tee, and the standard flash 5w for going into long par 5's or shorter par 4's. they've been IDEAL already this season. i've hit quite a few greens in two that i wouldn't have been close to last year simply bc i have more confidence - from 282, 274, and 268 (i know b/c i worte them down -- i was super impressed)

    I never thought we'd get the #3 UDI- pro white 90tx out of its spot in the bag. What shaft length are you playing your 5-wood at? Check the fonts in your signature, kinda wonky.
    Good luck in those tournaments!

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  • eldog-in-the-hizouseeldog-in-the-hizouse  964WRX Points: 98Members Posts: 964
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    What are the comments about the Ping G410 LST fairway wood for those who have hit it? I'm shocked it hasn't been the big winner.

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  • BYKBYK Cardinals Nation 1958WRX Points: 249Members Posts: 1,958
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    Guess I'm am outlier here
    tested out this and the m5
    hated the feel of the flash SZ and didn't perform anywhere as well dispersion or distance for me compared to my current Rogue SZ or the M5.

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  • kclayton16kclayton16  24WRX Points: 39Members Posts: 24
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    Had a recent fitting and tested all new fws as well, including flash sz. M5 rocket 3w was the clear winner for me, miles better than others.

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  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJ 8086WRX Points: 1,336Members Posts: 8,086
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    On -, @BearQ said:

    On -, @gioguy21 said:

    i hit the TS3, M5/M6 and the PING G410 --- i ended up going with the 3+ flash SZ 3+ wood lofted up for off the tee, and the standard flash 5w for going into long par 5's or shorter par 4's. they've been IDEAL already this season. i've hit quite a few greens in two that i wouldn't have been close to last year simply bc i have more confidence - from 282, 274, and 268 (i know b/c i worte them down -- i was super impressed)

    I never thought we'd get the #3 UDI- pro white 90tx out of its spot in the bag. What shaft length are you playing your 5-wood at? Check the fonts in your signature, kinda wonky.
    Good luck in those tournaments!

    Thanks man - I know...but I needed a bit higher and soft into 5s. Dropping my 64* allowed me to put a stronger 3w into the bag and drop the 5w in there.

    Playing the 5w -1/2" in length to help with control. Playing the 90tx a total of 1.75" tipping

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    Epic Flash SZ / 9* (set D/S) / Fujikura Pro 2.0 TS 6X tipped 1.50"
    Epic Flash SZ / 3+ (set -1/N) / HZRDUS Smoke Black 75g 6.5 tipped 2"
    Epic CF17 3i / Tensei PW Hybrid 100TX
    Apex MB Chrome / 3-PW / Modus 130 X
    MD4 Chrome / 52, 56, 60 / DG 115 S200 (for now)
    Piretti Tour 801R / 35.5"

  • bogeyprobogeypro The Original Bogeypro AL 3334WRX Points: 302ClubWRX Posts: 3,334
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    I prefer the mizuno st190 ts.

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    Titleist TS3 8.5 evenflow white
    Titleist TS2 15* evenflow white 
    Titleist TS3 19 hybrid evenflow white
    Titleist 718 AP2 4-pw kbs tour
    Vokey SM7 52/58 wedges 
    Scotty Cameron Futura 5.5m
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  • ssfrannyssfranny  2823WRX Points: 211Lefty Boomers Posts: 2,823
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    On -, @Hifade said:

    I, too, was all in for the 410 lst but tried and sz and just bought 2 of them to experiment with......absolute bomber

    I didnt think there was a G410 LST

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  • WarrickWarrick  10831WRX Points: 780ClubWRX Posts: 10,831
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    I have not hit the Flash fw yet, but not sure anything can be as straight as the F9 Tour 3w. I had it on course for first time yesterday, and just hit it dead straight shot after shot. Playing again today, excited to hit this more.

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    GBB 9* HZRDUS Smoke
    F9 Tour 3w\13.5 - Smoke 70
    F9 Tour 5w\17.5- Smoke 70
    Epic hybrid - 22* Pro White 90
    Mizuno 919 combo 5-9 LZ Blackout 
    Mizuno T7 - 45-49-53-58 LZ Blackout 
    Custom V-Line Fang
    TM TP5X
  • SterlingArcherSterlingArcher  276WRX Points: 55Members Posts: 276
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    I have a lower swing speed usually between 95-100mph with my driver. I tested this fairway the other day and found it was really flat feeling almost dead off the face. My numbers were not that far off from what I usually see but I couldn't get over the feel. Has anyone else experienced this or did I end up testing with a dud?

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  • Golfer from MOGolfer from MO  1005WRX Points: 72Members Posts: 1,005
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    Found almost what OP found with epic flash. I had the rogue 13.5 with 82 gram 125msi tx tour rogue.
    Hit a 13.5 flash with 6.5 haz smoke and altho shaft wasn't as good the head had tighter dispersion undoubtedly with heel misses being surprisingly straight and controlled. Very happy with the flatter lie and ability to go upright. Only con is feel, dead duddy feel compared to excellent rogue feel but not bad and it performs.

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  • HifadeHifade Sleepin' on the job. Slacker! Dayton, OH 5347WRX Points: 180Charter Members Posts: 5,347
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    On -, @ssfranny said:

    On -, @Hifade said:

    I, too, was all in for the 410 lst but tried and sz and just bought 2 of them to experiment with......absolute bomber

    I didnt think there was a G410 LST

    The 410 lst fw is real, but lagging behind in availability. Definitely a head-scratcher with PING's 410 line launch. Anyhow, I've hit it and it's a cannon, as well. You can check out the reviews online with the boys at TXG:

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    PING G410 LST 9* - "Tour Issue" ALTA RED "X" 
    PING G410 15* - MITZ TENSEI PRO ORANGE 70X
    PING G410 17* & 19* - MITZ TENSEI BLUE X & EF BLACK X
    TAYLORMADE BLACK P790's - SPECIAL, TOUR ISSUE, BLACK KBS TOUR V 125'S (HSx1)
    CALLAWAY PM2 54* X & 58* X - ORIGINAL PX Satin 5.5's (HSx1)
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    2017 BRIDGESTONE B330 Tour #1's & TITLEIST PRO V #1'X
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  • eagle2838eagle2838  187WRX Points: 99Members Posts: 187
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    Completely agree, I did a fitting yesterday and expected to love the Flash, but I just couldn’t get a feeling for where the head was and where the ball was on the face, no matter what shaft I tried. I had the same experience last year with the Rogue when I tested drivers, I am still just not a Callaway guy, I guess.

    I put up better numbers with both the M5 and TS3, going TS3 because I was much more consistent with it.

    On -, @BYK said:

    Guess I'm am outlier here
    tested out this and the m5
    hated the feel of the flash SZ and didn't perform anywhere as well dispersion or distance for me compared to my current Rogue SZ or the M5.
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    TM M3 460, HZRDUS Black 65 6.0
    Titleist TS3 15*, EvenFlow White 75 6.0
    Titleist TS2 HY 19*, EvenFlow White 90 6.0
    Titleist 716 T-MB 3i PX 5.5
    Mizuno MP59 4-6 PX 5.5
    Mizuno MP69 7-P PX 5.5
    Miura New Wedge 51* PX 5.5
    Miura K-Grind 56* PX 5.5
    Scotty Studio Select NP2 2008 33" / SeeMore X2 Black 33"
    ProV1x

  • LaymanMLaymanM Cincinnati, OH 2211WRX Points: 300Members Posts: 2,211
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    On -, @Warrick said:

    I have not hit the Flash fw yet, but not sure anything can be as straight as the F9 Tour 3w. I had it on course for first time yesterday, and just hit it dead straight shot after shot. Playing again today, excited to hit this more.

    Never sell that club!

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    Taylormade M6
    Callaway Steelhead XR 4+
    Mizuno MP-18 mb 4-PW
    Titliest SM7 50f, 54s, 58d
    SC Phantom X 5.5
  • BearQBearQ  3667WRX Points: 850Members Posts: 3,667
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    On -, @LaymanM said:

    On -, @Warrick said:

    I have not hit the Flash fw yet, but not sure anything can be as straight as the F9 Tour 3w. I had it on course for first time yesterday, and just hit it dead straight shot after shot. Playing again today, excited to hit this more.

    Never sell that club!

    Does it sit as upright as advertised? Any idea lowest lie angle setting on f9 tour? I need 55.5-56.5 range on a 3w

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  • noodle3872noodle3872 Chilliwack B.C. Canada 2950WRX Points: 409Members Posts: 2,950
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    I’m quite partial to my M6 3 wood. Great from the tee and the deck.

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    Callaway Epic Flash SZ Triple Diamond 10.5° driver MCA Diamana ZF 50 S Flex

    Callaway Epic Flash 15° fairway wood MCA Diamana BF 60 S Flex

    Callaway Epic Flash 21° hybrid MCA MMT 90 S Flex

    Mizuno JPX 919 Hot Metal Pro 5-PW Modus3 Tour 105 S flex

    Mizuno S18 Gunmetal Wedges 50-07, 54-12, 58-12 and 62-08 Modus3 115 Wedge

    Odyssey Stroke Lab Ten S

    Titleist Yellow Pro V1x


    Callaway Epic Flash 10.5° driver MCA Diamana DF 50 S Flex

    Callaway Rogue 19° hybrid MCA MMT 90 S Flex

    Odyssey RSX Milled V-Line Fang

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    ive ordered a ef subzero with evenflow blue 42inch.. cant wait to get it into my hands

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  • Lefty28Lefty28  208WRX Points: 62Members Posts: 208
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    Epic Flash SZ 3 wood coming for me as well. Kinda wish they had the 5W in lefty so I could have given that a go.

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  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJ 8086WRX Points: 1,336Members Posts: 8,086
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    On -, @Hifade said:

    On -, @ssfranny said:

    On -, @Hifade said:

    I, too, was all in for the 410 lst but tried and sz and just bought 2 of them to experiment with......absolute bomber

    I didnt think there was a G410 LST

    The 410 lst fw is real, but lagging behind in availability. Definitely a head-scratcher with PING's 410 line launch. Anyhow, I've hit it and it's a cannon, as well. You can check out the reviews online with the boys at TXG:

    i found the G410 to be too long for a normal 3w 'fit' in the bag. the feel and dispersion was terrific on it tho. i also can't get over the PING sounds in their woods - and i don't know why.

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    Epic Flash SZ / 9* (set D/S) / Fujikura Pro 2.0 TS 6X tipped 1.50"
    Epic Flash SZ / 3+ (set -1/N) / HZRDUS Smoke Black 75g 6.5 tipped 2"
    Epic CF17 3i / Tensei PW Hybrid 100TX
    Apex MB Chrome / 3-PW / Modus 130 X
    MD4 Chrome / 52, 56, 60 / DG 115 S200 (for now)
    Piretti Tour 801R / 35.5"

  • LaymanMLaymanM Cincinnati, OH 2211WRX Points: 300Members Posts: 2,211
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    On -, @BearQ said:

    On -, @LaymanM said:

    On -, @Warrick said:

    I have not hit the Flash fw yet, but not sure anything can be as straight as the F9 Tour 3w. I had it on course for first time yesterday, and just hit it dead straight shot after shot. Playing again today, excited to hit this more.

    Never sell that club!

    Does it sit as upright as advertised? Any idea lowest lie angle setting on f9 tour? I need 55.5-56.5 range on a 3w

    Not sure bud. Never hit one. I play a Callaway Alpha 815, speeder 656 stiff, tipped 1/2". With weight forward it's as long as Epic Sz flash for me

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    Taylormade M6
    Callaway Steelhead XR 4+
    Mizuno MP-18 mb 4-PW
    Titliest SM7 50f, 54s, 58d
    SC Phantom X 5.5
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  • BogeyLJABogeyLJA  1416WRX Points: 110Members Posts: 1,416
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    I'm in love the with M5

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    [font=lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif]EPIC SZ | Atmos Black 6x
    TM M3 15* | Atmos Black 8x[/font]
    TM M3 19* [font=lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif]| Rombax P95x
    TM P750 | DG S300
    Vokey SM6 50|55|60[/font]
    Toulon Portland
    [font=lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif]TP5x[/font]
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