Wide sole players irons

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SMAC43SMAC43 Los Angeles,CA 34WRX Points: 37Handicap: 5.9Members Posts: 34 Bunkers
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I never got along well with GI irons...always played better with a smaller CB with narrow sole & less offset. My new golf course in LA has Bermuda fairways which are pretty firm and grabby. I’m more of a digger, but it’s now almost impossible to take a proper dollar bill shaped divot...it’s too hard to get though the turf. End result I’m hitting more shots slightly heavy, leading edge digs a bit. Wrists and elbows starting to ache. I’m looking for suggestions on smallish low offset players irons with a wider GI type sole which will help prevent against digging. (I know I need to work on lowering angle of attack but in the meantime I want new irons.) Currently playing Adams cmb forged. Thx

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  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Tasmania to Canada 13296WRX Points: 2,180Handicap: 1.6Members Posts: 13,296 Titanium Tees
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    Ping rapture J
    Titleist t-mb

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    Ping G400 LST 11* GD Pershing 55x
    Ping G400 3w 15.1* Oban Revenge 65x
    Callaway GBB 5w 18* Aldila NVS Pink 85x 
    Callaway Apex 4h 23* GD Tour AD DI 95x
    Callaway Apex 5h 26* GD Tour AD DI 105x
    Mizuno 919T 6 - GW UST 95 Recoil f4 
    Ping Glide SS 54* wrx UST 110 Recoil f4
    Ping Glide ES 59* wrx UST 110 Recoil f4
    Callaway PM grind 64* UST 110 Recoil f4
    Piretti Matera Elite 

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  • MitchellMitchell  5616WRX Points: 451Members Posts: 5,616 Titanium Tees
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    Callaway Legacy Black ala Stenson, 2013 X Forged, or Bridgestone Dual Pocket Cavity should be very viable ootions

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    Titleist 917f2 16.5* (c2 surefit) Motore Speeder TS 8.3
    Titleist 818 h1 21* (c2 surefit) Atmos blue TS 8
    Titleist 962b 3-pw s400 
    Vokey sm7 raw M 54*  s400
    Vokey 260-08 raw 60*  s400
    Cameron '95 Laguna
  • BottleCapBottleCap  1494WRX Points: 249Members Posts: 1,494 Platinum Tees
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    If you look at the sole of a Titleist CB vs MB, the CB is much wider.

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    Titleist 917 F3 GD TourAD IZ 8S
    Mizuno MP 69 3-PW DG S400
    Vokey SM7 54S and 60M
    Cameron Newport 2 CT
    Bridgestone Tour B XS
  • IvyguyIvyguy  1609WRX Points: 261Members Posts: 1,609 Platinum Tees
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    Might look into Hogan or srixon bats. The v sole helps with that.

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  • Phil MajorPhil Major  134WRX Points: 45Handicap: 17Members Posts: 134 Fairways
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    Try i200 or i210 Power Spec. Mine works very well in AZ.

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    Callaway Epic 3 Wood 16* Fujikura Pro 2.0 5 S
    ​Callaway Rogue Hybrid 19* Recoil Mamiya 780 ES F4
    Callaway Steelhead XR Hybrid 22* Recoil Mamiya 460 F4
    Callaway Rogue Pro 5-A XP 95 S
    Ping Glide 3.0 52*/12 
    Mizuno T20 Forged Statin Chrome Agressive C Grind 55*/9  
    Mizuno T20 Forged Statin Chrome Agressive C Grind 60*/6  
    Callaway Tour Grey PM Grind  64*/10 KBS Tour V
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  • dmeeksDCdmeeksDC  2716WRX Points: 364Handicap: 8ClubWRX Posts: 2,716 ClubWRX
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    All of these mentioned plus the Bridgestone J15CB or the Tour B X-CB. Bridgestone likes to put a wider sole even with thin toplines. Great irons.

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    Ping G400 9 degrees, Ping Tour stiff shaft, 65 grams
    Callaway XHot2 Pro 5 wood, 17 degrees, Aldila Tour Blue stiff shaft
    Titleist 915F fairway, 21 degrees, Diamana Blue 70 stiff
    Srixon 565 4 iron, Nippon 980GH stiff shaft
    Adams CMB irons, 5-PW, KBS C Taper regular shafts (110g)
    Titleist Vokey SM7 50 degree, F grind, Dynamic Gold S200 shaft
    Callaway Mack Daddy 2 54-degree wedge, S grind, DG wedge shaft
    Ben Hogan TK wedge, 59 degree, KBS black wedge shaft
    TaylorMade TP Chaska putter, sliver, 34 inches
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  • Nixhex524Nixhex524  4593WRX Points: 428Handicap: 2.5ClubWRX Posts: 4,593 ClubWRX
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    The J15 CB are almost exactly what you are describing and have a beveled leading edge to help with turf interaction. I have had mine in play for 4 rounds now and when I first saw them and their "fat" soles, I was skeptical, but they are true performers if you can find a set. You can also check out something like the i20/25/200/210... I have had all of those but the 210 and they were pretty good, not great. Srixon has nice options, too.... 5x5 will have wider soles and the 7x5 series will be a little more narrow but a very nice compact players iron with GI help.

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    Ping G410 LST 9* Tensei orange 60x
    Ping G400 14.5 Tour 75s
    Mizuno MP H4 3i Aldila NVS HYB 85s
    Bridgestone J15 CB X100 AMT SS1x 4-P
    Titleist Vokey SM5 50.12, SM6 58.12
    Lajosi Sensor 34"

  • Ripper859Ripper859 Northern Kentucky / Cincinnati 106WRX Points: 53Handicap: 10Members Posts: 106 Fairways
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    I210 or Jpx 919 Hot Metal Pro.

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  • MadGolfer76MadGolfer76 Maine 20333WRX Points: 893Members Posts: 20,333 Titanium Tees
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    Doesn't sound like you really are looking for a wider sole, but rather more bounce?

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  • JanKo JanKo - K A Y M E R -  2226WRX Points: 117Members Posts: 2,226 Platinum Tees
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    The Srixon Z-Series has a really nice leading edge grind which prevents digging.
    You can get a smaller 7-series irons or the larger 5-series. They are really really good irons.

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    Bridgestones will serve you well. Great iron in the rain too

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  • GolfingfanaticGolfingfanatic  3524WRX Points: 496Handicap: 3.0Members Posts: 3,524 Titanium Tees
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    J15 CBs or Stenson Legacy Blacks

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    TaylorMade M2 DF 16.5° w/ Mitsu Diamana W 80X
    Cobra F9 Speedback 4 iron w/ Graphite Design Tour AD IZ Hybrid 95X
    Yonex Ezone CB-301 4-PW w/ Nippon Modus 125X
    Callaway Mack Daddy 4 Raw 50 S-Grind
    Callaway Mack Daddy 4 Raw 56 X-Grind
    Vokey Low Bounce K-Grind 60
    TaylorMade Spider Mini Copper

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    I was playing cmb and am playing p790.

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    Titleist                  TS2 16.5 Wood 
    Ping                      G410 19 Hybrid 
    Titleist                  818 H2 23 Hybrid 
    Mizuno                 MP 32 5-P Irons
    Ping                      Glide 2.0 52/56/60 Wedges
    Scotty Cameron  Special Select 2.5 Putter 
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    I'd suggest Ping i200/i210/i e1. Easily the best looking/performing/feeling "players" club with a wide sold and forgiveness.

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    Titleist 917F2 15.75°  Project X HZRDUS Handcrafted Black 6.0 75g
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  • BottleCapBottleCap  1494WRX Points: 249Members Posts: 1,494 Platinum Tees
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    On -, @balls_deep said:

    I'd suggest Ping i200/i210/i e1. Easily the best looking/performing/feeling "players" club with a wide sold and forgiveness.

    i200 is a Game Improvement club

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    Titleist 917 F3 GD TourAD IZ 8S
    Mizuno MP 69 3-PW DG S400
    Vokey SM7 54S and 60M
    Cameron Newport 2 CT
    Bridgestone Tour B XS
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    On -, @JanKo said:

    The Srixon Z-Series has a really nice leading edge grind which prevents digging.
    You can get a smaller 7-series irons or the larger 5-series. They are really really good irons.

    This....

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    Srixon Z585 5 iron Recoil 95 F5
    Srixon Z785 6-PW Recoil 95 F5
    Srixon 945 PW Recoil proto 95 F5
    Callaway MD 4 54/10 S Modus 3 115 W
    Ping Eye 2 SW 57.5 ZZ lite
    White Hot 2 ball blade, Never Compromise Dinero Baron,  or Cleveland BRZ 2
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    On -, @BottleCap said:

    On -, @balls_deep said:

    I'd suggest Ping i200/i210/i e1. Easily the best looking/performing/feeling "players" club with a wide sold and forgiveness.

    i200 is a Game Improvement club

    Sorry my friend. i200/i210 are classified as a compact cavity back players iron.

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    Driver: Titleist TS2 9.5* Tensei Pro White 60
    3W: Titleist TS2 15* Tensei Pro White 70
    5W: PING G410 18* Tour 75
    4HY: Titleist 818H2 21* Atmos HB Tour Spec Blue 8
    Irons: PING G410 5-UW Project X LZ 120
    Wedges: Titleist SM7 54.14F/60.10M DG S200 
    Putter: Bettinardi BB1F Blackout Limited Run
    Ball: Titleist ProV1x #27
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    On -, @balls_deep said:

    I'd suggest Ping i200/i210/i e1. Easily the best looking/performing/feeling "players" club with a wide sold and forgiveness.

    Another vote here.

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    3 Wood  Rapture 13.5 Ping TFC 949 Stiff
    5 Wood Ping G410 SFT 18 Fujikura Atmos Tour Black 7S
    Hybrid  Karsten 4 Hybrid Ping KS 401 Stiff
    Irons  G30 Black Dot 5-U Wedge Ping CFS Distance R+
    Wedges  Ping Glide Stealth 2.0 SS 56/12 & 60/14 WS Ping AWT Wedge
    Bobby Grace A** Kicker Putter 37" SS Plus XL Counter Balanced
    Ball  Titleist Tour Soft
  • th6252th6252  1228WRX Points: 159Members Posts: 1,228 Platinum Tees
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    another vote for any of j15cb, srixon 7 series and ping i200/210.

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  • nostaticnostatic "i drank what?!?" Socrates lost angeles 201WRX Points: 171ClubWRX Posts: 201 ClubWRX
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    i210 is pretty well-behaved unless I make a really bad (fat) swing. Bonus elbow/wrist points for a graphite shaft.

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    Mizuno 919 Hot Metal Pro 4-PW - 919F GW - S18 55/09 PX LZ Tour 6.0 - Ping Glide2.0 Stealth 58TS
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  • TherealpatgilesTherealpatgiles  605WRX Points: 190Handicap: 13Members Posts: 605 Golden Tee
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    J15cb. Epon 503. Have em both. Same sole design

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    Epon af901 19 modus 120
    Nike vapor pro combo 3 iron
    Epon af 503 4-w modus 120s
    Epon tour 50 55 60 modus w
    Epon i33 rose gold putter
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  • sgersten19sgersten19  24WRX Points: 20Members Posts: 24 Bunkers
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    I am in a similar situation. Started playing in NY and got use to being pretty steep. Moved to Georgia with Bermuda grass and was getting elbow pain with Titleist CB's. Been trying ping iblades with more bounce and it has really helped.

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  • SMAC43SMAC43 Los Angeles,CA 34WRX Points: 37Handicap: 5.9Members Posts: 34 Bunkers
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    great stuff boys thank you!

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  • dmeeksDCdmeeksDC  2716WRX Points: 364Handicap: 8ClubWRX Posts: 2,716 ClubWRX
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    Enjoying this thread. Have played a bunch of the irons listed. They all have different bounce angles and the sole width additionally affects how the bounce ‘plays’ as well, with wider equating to more. Add it all up and the turf interaction can be very different between models. For me, that is where the choice gets made based on personal fit. I find I like the Bridgestone J15CB soles the most (surprised myself how much I like them off fluffy or tight lies) with Ping right there as well (and the Pings vary a lot by model; look at iBlades vs i210). On the Srixon v-sole, I like it more on the 700 and 900 series. I found it a little thick sometimes off turf with the 500 series. But there is no doubt it works; in sloppy conditions, all of these irons do well. And really, they are nice overall designs. The differences are easier to feel hitting off grass as mats disguise so much. If you can try them on turf, much better.

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    Callaway XHot2 Pro 5 wood, 17 degrees, Aldila Tour Blue stiff shaft
    Titleist 915F fairway, 21 degrees, Diamana Blue 70 stiff
    Srixon 565 4 iron, Nippon 980GH stiff shaft
    Adams CMB irons, 5-PW, KBS C Taper regular shafts (110g)
    Titleist Vokey SM7 50 degree, F grind, Dynamic Gold S200 shaft
    Callaway Mack Daddy 2 54-degree wedge, S grind, DG wedge shaft
    Ben Hogan TK wedge, 59 degree, KBS black wedge shaft
    TaylorMade TP Chaska putter, sliver, 34 inches
  • balls_deepballs_deep Wanna earn 14 bucks the hard way? 2111WRX Points: 1,343Handicap: SnowMembers Posts: 2,111 Platinum Tees
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    Wide sole vs bounce etc is heavily player dependant as well. The 919F sole design did not work when I demoed it the other day. Felt like it was catching. Switched to my AP2 and first shot felt like it was out of a cannon. Way better turf interaction for my swing. As a higher bounce option the i210 was great. Listened to the Q&A on TXG tonight and Ian was saying that he finds steeper guys do really well with pre-worn leading edges which is probably why I'm so fond of the 716CB/MB and 718 AP2 sole design. The 716 AP2 felt like a sledgehammer through the turf.

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    Titleist 917F2 15.75°  Project X HZRDUS Handcrafted Black 6.0 75g
    Titleist 818 H1 19° Project X HZRDUS Handcrafted Black 6.0 85g
    Wilson Staff Blade 4-PW KBS C-Taper Black 125 S+
    Wilson Staff Model Forged Wedges 51 & 56 DG TI S400
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  • SMAC43SMAC43 Los Angeles,CA 34WRX Points: 37Handicap: 5.9Members Posts: 34 Bunkers
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    interesting. lets go down the rabbit hole here. aside from titleist which of the irons mentioned here have a pre-worn leading edge?

    ping i series, srixon 7 series, legacy blacks, j15 cb etc etc

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    Wide sole vs bounce etc is heavily player dependant as well. The 919F sole design did not work when I demoed it the other day. Felt like it was catching. Switched to my AP2 and first shot felt like it was out of a cannon. Way better turf interaction for my swing. As a higher bounce option the i210 was great. Listened to the Q&A on TXG tonight and Ian was saying that he finds steeper guys do really well with pre-worn leading edges which is probably why I'm so fond of the 716CB/MB and 718 AP2 sole design. The 716 AP2 felt like a sledgehammer through the turf.
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    I don't know what a "preworn" sole is but I do know that a lot of the Japanese brand clubs have a muted leading edge with a lot of sole camber. Bridgestone's for example and most Mizuno JPX clubs. The Srixon irons with their V sole in effect are like this too (the V sole is just a marketing spin on a cambered sole). Cambered soles don't dig as much as a club with a sharp leading edge, bounce being equal. Most Bridgestone and Mizuno's have low bounce though, so even though the sole is cambered they will never resist digging as much as something like a Ping which has more discrete bounce.

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    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 5 wood w/Aldila Rogue Black 70S
    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 Hybrid w/Aldila Kuro Kage 80S
    Ping G410 irons w/Recoil 95S
    Ping Glide 55/60 wedges w/Recoil 110S
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    Semi circle ground off the LE. There's a huge difference between how the 718 goes through the ground vs the 716. My Ping i200 were okay but quite high bounce. I play on a couple of links courses and I didn't love them on that. Mostly I play lush soft fairways though and they were very forgiving.

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    Titleist 917F2 15.75°  Project X HZRDUS Handcrafted Black 6.0 75g
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    Wilson Staff Blade 4-PW KBS C-Taper Black 125 S+
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  • NDGolfer13NDGolfer13  1424WRX Points: 322Handicap: GolfMembers Posts: 1,424 Platinum Tees
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    The Bridgestone CB-X seems to have a fairly wide sole. Never played them but giving serious thought to picking some up. I can get steep on my swing path with irons and a wide sole can help that when its a problem or really wet outside.

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    TM M4 16.5 VA Composites Drago 75
    Epon AF901 19*/22*
    PXG 031X Proto CTaper 125 5-P/Ping I500/I210 KBS Tour 125 5-P
    PXG 0311 Forged 50/56/60-Scratch 1018 50/53/58
    Rife Deep Blue

    FOR NOW...........
    All Clubs subject to change relative to my last bad round of golf......
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    Can't go wrong with Ping

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    Driver - Callaway Epic SZ 10.5º
    3W - Taylor Made Jetspeed HL º17
    H - Callaway Xhot Pro 23º
    Irons - Mizuno JPX919 Hotmetal 5-GW
    SW - Callaway MD3 (S-52º)
    LW - Callaway MD3 (W-58º)
    Putter - Scotty Cameron
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