Callaway Epic Flash Sub Zero - Is this Real Life????

Ive refused to try the Epic because of the looks in the past. I hit the Rogue and It was Long as F but a bit hard to control and Loose - I said what the hell and tried the Epic Flash Sub Zero tonight....

15 yards further than my TS2 dialled in. Longer than G410 Plus. Longer than M5. Felt amazing and super forgiving. The Epic Flash Standard 3 wood is almost as long as my TS2 Driver. UNBELIEVABLE clubs.

Anyone Else have this experience??

its stupid long

I hit it against the Epic SZ I used for the last two years, and the G410 Plus, and the Flash SZ was 2-3 mph faster and spun about 800 RPM less than the original SZ (into a pretty ideal range for me), and it was way faster and lower spin than the G410 (which is not a head that is the right fit for me). According to trackman, I’m getting about 15 yards of additional carry compared to my Epic SZ (exact same shaft—switching between the two heads).

I’ve found that since I got a heavier sliding weight to get the swingweight up to around D-2 (I play my driver at 44”)and moved the weight about halfway out to the toe, I’ve been able to hit it where I want it to go more often than not, though it’s a small sample so far. Those changes in setup made a big difference, as I originally wasn’t very impressed with it. It seemed to want to go left on me, even in a more fade-biased setting than I used with the original SZ, but the heavier weight seems to make it so I feel the head better through the swing, which has improved my consistency.

Knowing there is a possibility of gains on my rogue sz 3+ is scary. Anything more would match my driver. I keep my rogue on sidelines cause it’s too close to driver as is.

> @"3 Jack Par" said:

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> I’ve found that since I got a heavier sliding weight to get the swingweight up to around D-2 (I play my driver at 44”)and moved the weight about halfway out to the toe, I’ve been able to hit it where I want it to go more often than not, though it’s a small sample so far. Those changes in setup made a big difference, as I originally wasn’t very impressed with it. It seemed to want to go left on me, even in a more fade-biased setting than I used with the original SZ, but the heavier weight seems to make it so I feel the head better through the swing, which has improved my consistency.

Did you get the weights from billy bob or is cally selling them?

Sadly was just meh for me.

Jailbreak is legit. Heck, the new Apex hybrid gets as much ball speed as my old Cobra 3w.

I'm definitely considering a 3+ SZ as a driver replacement this year. I was seeing 155-156mph on the 15* rogue last year so I assume that with the club fitted and dialed it, I could probably touch 160 ball, which is plenty of speed for about 80-90% of all courses around me. Only 1 track has tees over 7000 yards where if you want to be aggressive you might want a bit more yards off the tee.

> @BearQ said:

> Knowing there is a possibility of gains on my rogue sz 3+ is scary. Anything more would match my driver. I keep my rogue on sidelines cause it’s too close to driver as is.

that's why i have a 3+ lofted UP lol it's too long otherwise and just rolls for days.

> @Banker said:

> Did you get the weights from billy bob or is cally selling them?

I contacted Callaway customer service through their website, and they gave me a phone number to call (I think it's just their general CS line). I called and talked to a very helpful woman who, after a quick explanation of the situation, said they'd send me 16 and 20 gram weights to try. This was shortly after the EF was released, and they didn't charge me anything. I ended up using the 16g weight.

They may have tightened up on giving out the weights -- after I told this story in the main Epic Flash thread, a guy contacted me, saying he'd called them, and either they didn't offer to send weights, or were going to charge for them (I'm not entirely sure). I ended up paying it forward and shipping the 20g weight to him, since I'm not planning to use it.

Thanks!

I needed some grips so i went ahead and ordered the 15.5 gr weight from Golfworks for $20.

I hit again tonight.

12 yards longer than my TS2. Killed my M2 with tour AD. Callaway is making some amazing clubs right now.

The 3 wood is insane too. Never hit a longer 3 wood in my life. Not the SZ but the stock one. Simply awesome.

I think I'm going to pull the trigger.

not sure how they did it but jailbreak is for real

Had a fairway fitting recently and the epic flash sz blew everything out of the water. I wasn't even looking forward to trying the epic flash sz over the other heads. It was the longest but also had the tightest dispersion. That flash face with the jailbreak tech is legit!

i hit it vs ts3, F9, and m5. EFSZ beat them all.

this is all from trackman - averages from 7-10 shots with each. Swing speeds in the 110-112 range.

EFSZ -- 279 carry, 298 total, ball speed 164, spin 2715

M5 -- 267 carry, 285 total, ball speed 162, spin 3184

F9 -- 277 carry, 297 total, ball speed 166, spin 2908

TS3 -- 259 carry, 270 total, ball speed 161, spin 3680

Cobra was right up there, but my dispersion with the EFSZ was better so thats what i went with.

This was all with a speeder 661 TR X-Stiff shaft

> @cma8516 said:

> i hit it vs ts3, F9, and m5. EFSZ beat them all.

> this is all from trackman - averages from 7-10 shots with each. Swing speeds in the 110-112 range.

> EFSZ -- 279 carry, 298 total, ball speed 164, spin 2715

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> M5 -- 267 carry, 285 total, ball speed 162, spin 3184

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> F9 -- 277 carry, 297 total, ball speed 166, spin 2908

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> TS3 -- 259 carry, 270 total, ball speed 161, spin 3680

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> Cobra was right up there, but my dispersion with the EFSZ was better so thats what i went with.

> This was all with a speeder 661 TR X-Stiff shaft

Those are pretty high spin numbers I would have tried a few different set ups to get the spin down around 2400 whether its shaft weight/profile/length or Sw or loft. Don't know anyone who has spun the ts3 at over 3500 rpm.

i'm baffled by this. I borrowed the 9* Flash Subzero demo head from my club and compared it to my 9* Epic Subzero and wasn't able to discern much of any distance differences that weren't attributed to strike. So I didn't upgrade

> @grew said:

> i'm baffled by this. I borrowed the 9* Flash Subzero demo head from my club and compared it to my 9* Epic Subzero and wasn't able to discern much of any distance differences that weren't attributed to strike. So I didn't upgrade

Agree here. I am not calling people liars about their numbers, but you can optimize any modern driver to where the differences are negligible even if you are absolutely middling every swing.

> @earleyrc said:

> > @grew said:

> > i'm baffled by this. I borrowed the 9* Flash Subzero demo head from my club and compared it to my 9* Epic Subzero and wasn't able to discern much of any distance differences that weren't attributed to strike. So I didn't upgrade

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> Agree here. I am not calling people liars about their numbers, but you can optimize any modern driver to where the differences are negligible even if you are absolutely middling every swing.

I hit the two heads with the exact same shaft (switched it from head to head), and got 2-3 mph of additional ball speed and much more optimal spin with the Flash SZ versus the original Epic SZ. I was making solid contact on all swings (the numbers with the Flash were actually negatively impacted by one shot that was a low-on-the-face mishit).

I'm probably the slowest swinger in history using the 9* head lofted up mind you, with evenflow green 55g 5.5 shaft....

Had no thoughts or ideas on getting a new driver this year....satisfied with distance of M3 or dependability of jpx900.....well that was until a friend with his R1 was 30 ahead all day vs my jpx900.....the search for distance was ON! I very accurate as expected for a 90s speed guy....

Hit all the new players with F9 and EFSZ being the finalist....EFSZ felt more explosive that some misconstrued as loud.....whatev.....it ended up being 10yds longer than F9 primarily due to spin.

So off we went and the added yards were apparent immediately! 2 par 5s at regular course , I was 30-40 passed jpx900 with the same confidence.

Dare I say , this might be the BEST driver I've EVER used.... well when my speed was 20mph higher the 2004 R510 330cc non-TP held that title....so EFSZ is M3 long but far more consistent and jpx900 straight/ reliable but much further!

The chronicles of a broken old fart

> @kgeorge78 said:

> its stupid long

And stupid loud

I dont get how SZ supposedly so much lower spin than regular Flash the sliders are 16 and 12g in SZ and the forward weight is only 2g

Oh and if you want to try a great low spin driver hit the ST190 Mizuno

> @ssfranny said:

> > @kgeorge78 said:

> > its stupid long

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> And stupid loud

maybe but not enough for me to care / notice. I havent bought it yet but I don't think I can hold off for longer.

> @kgeorge78 said:

> > @ssfranny said:

> > > @kgeorge78 said:

> > > its stupid long

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> > And stupid loud

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> maybe but not enough for me to care / notice. I havent bought it yet but I don't think I can hold off for longer.

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It has an explosive sound....nowhere like cobra LV4 or Nike Sumo.....noise it makes yes but ear splitting, heck no! If you like quiet then move along

> @ssfranny said:

> I dont get how SZ supposedly so much lower spin than regular Flash the sliders are 16 and 12g in SZ and the forward weight is only 2g

Yet it is lower due to design.....much deeper face

> @kgeorge78 said:

> > @ssfranny said:

> > > @kgeorge78 said:

> > > its stupid long

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> > And stupid loud

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> maybe but not enough for me to care / notice. I havent bought it yet but I don't think I can hold off for longer.

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Go try the ST190 before you do anything

> @ssfranny said:

> > @kgeorge78 said:

> > > @ssfranny said:

> > > > @kgeorge78 said:

> > > > its stupid long

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> > > And stupid loud

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> > maybe but not enough for me to care / notice. I havent bought it yet but I don't think I can hold off for longer.

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> Go try the ST190 before you do anything

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I hit it and for them not to offer the 190g in lefty was wrong....FOR me the 190 was a bit fade bias....not sure why....nice look and feel but nothing special in distance department

> @ssfranny said:

> I dont get how SZ supposedly so much lower spin than regular Flash the sliders are 16 and 12g in SZ and the forward weight is only 2g

Overall head design really is why. Those weights are there to fine tune driver to player’s specific swing. Regular Flash head is very elongated front to back, creating higher MOI. Flash sub zero head is much more compact front to back so the CG is moved forward, which usually makes it spin less but maybe not as forgiving or stable as the regular flash. Honestly when testing the sub zero did feel very stable though, compared to og epic sz. The Rogue sz head is more elongated than flash sz head, at least to my eye.

I’ve hit it twice at the course now with a shaft that should not work for me (Even Flow green 55 6.0) and in a loft that I wouldn’t normally play (10.5) and it has been nothing short of amazing, Absolute high low spin bombs that lap my M4 pretty easily.

My SS is 108-110 on the course for reference and I’m still a little surprised that this combo seems to fit me quite well.

> @"nick.woods76" said:

> Ive refused to try the Epic because of the looks in the past. I hit the Rogue and It was Long as F but a bit hard to control and Loose - I said what the **** and tried the Epic Flash Sub Zero tonight....

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> 15 yards further than my TS2 dialled in. Longer than G410 Plus. Longer than M5. Felt amazing and super forgiving. The Epic Flash Standard 3 wood is almost as long as my TS2 Driver. UNBELIEVABLE clubs.

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> Anyone Else have this experience??

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Yeah, I’ve picked up quite a few yards from my g400lst. i will also say that the ping was more forgiving, but the distance difference is worth it to me.