Recommend a ball that plays between the AVX and ProV1...

MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers Posts: 1,853 ✭✭

I really wish there was an AVX-x, maybe I am alone, maybe I am not. I am a high speed (115-118ss driver), mid-high spin player with mid-trajectory for reference.

1) I find the AVX goes a little lower than I would like off longer clubs; the ProV1 trajectory here is perfect.
2) I find I dramatically overspin the ProV1 almost all the way thru the bag, especially with driver and mid-irons. The AVX is consistently 10-20 yards longer off the tee, and my gapping thru the bag is perfect with the AVX without any issues holding greens even in the longer irons. The ProV1 just overspins and doesn't carry (for me) with the mid-irons, and I get no rollout on my drives. I also pull full wedges back too much. For these reasons I just never score as well with the ProV1.
3) I prefer the ProV1 from 50 yards in, and most definitely from 20 yards in. The AVX is good and I can for sure stop it, but as we all know, the ProV1 is like throwing darts.
4) Feel is great on either. I think I prefer the softer AVX, but I've played firm and soft balls without any issues.

so...

Anyone recommend a ball that would be like an AVX-x? Is it out there somewhere?

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  • flushemflushem Members Posts: 1,441 ✭✭

    Snell MTB Black?

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  • joakimpekkarijoakimpekkari Barsebäck G&CC, SwedenMembers Posts: 13 ✭✭

    I'd test Vice Pro Soft if I were you, great soft feel and control!

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  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers Posts: 1,853 ✭✭

    Vice Pro is a thought. The MTB was, quite literally, a ProV1 with lower price tag.

    Anyone have experience with the BRX and BRXS?

    How’s spin on those tee to green?

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  • flushemflushem Members Posts: 1,441 ✭✭

    @Mahamilto said:
    Vice Pro is a thought. The MTB was, quite literally, a ProV1 with lower price tag.

    Anyone have experience with the BRX and BRXS?

    How’s spin on those tee to green?

    MTB Black is longer than V1 with less spin.

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  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJMembers Posts: 7,104 ✭✭

    this sounds crazy --- but the old school top flite gamer v2 would've been right in this niche.

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  • SocratesSocrates How can it be so *&#% hard to make a shoulder turn? WinnipegClubWRX Posts: 9,170 ClubWRX

    You might try the TP5X and see if that fits your needs.

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  • wfrogge1wfrogge1 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭

    @Socrates said:
    You might try the TP5X and see if that fits your needs.

    Except that ball spins more than the ProV1

  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers Posts: 1,853 ✭✭

    @gioguy21 said:
    this sounds crazy --- but the old school top flite gamer v2 would've been right in this niche.

    I played this ball a fair amount; very nice, but lacking the urethane cover and by way of memory I will say the AVX spins a lot more inside of 50yards.

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  • SocratesSocrates How can it be so *&#% hard to make a shoulder turn? WinnipegClubWRX Posts: 9,170 ClubWRX

    @wfrogge1 said:

    @Socrates said:
    You might try the TP5X and see if that fits your needs.

    Except that ball spins more than the ProV1

    I didn't find that to be true for me. YMMV.

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  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers Posts: 1,853 ✭✭

    @Socrates said:
    You might try the TP5X and see if that fits your needs.

    @wfrogge1 said:

    @Socrates said:
    You might try the TP5X and see if that fits your needs.

    Except that ball spins more than the ProV1

    The TP5x (2017) isn't any better than the 2019 ProV1 for me (played them side by side this weekend with the AVX)

    I hear they cut some spin off the TP5x in both driver and long/mid irons this year. May be worth a try.

    How about the TourBx? Is it lower spin on driver/long game than the TP5x/ProV1?

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  • elwhippyelwhippy Members Posts: 3,075 ✭✭

    A high end ball that spins lower than the AVX is going to be hard to find. In my experience the only balls that will come close are non urethane...as in dropping to lower price point ammo. High end ammo is supposed to spin enough to hold greens and offer control.

  • BiggErnBiggErn Members Posts: 2,179 ✭✭

    @elwhippy said:
    A high end ball that spins lower than the AVX is going to be hard to find. In my experience the only balls that will come close are non urethane...as in dropping to lower price point ammo. High end ammo is supposed to spin enough to hold greens and offer control.

    A premium ball that doesn’t play like a premium ball at all. I do not get the allure.

  • noodle3872noodle3872 Chilliwack B.C. CanadaMembers Posts: 2,605 ✭✭

    @BiggErn said:

    @elwhippy said:
    A high end ball that spins lower than the AVX is going to be hard to find. In my experience the only balls that will come close are non urethane...as in dropping to lower price point ammo. High end ammo is supposed to spin enough to hold greens and offer control.

    A premium ball that doesn’t play like a premium ball at all. I do not get the allure.

    Anyone that has been in the AVX thread knows your feelings on the AVX.

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  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers Posts: 1,853 ✭✭

    @elwhippy said:
    A high end ball that spins lower than the AVX is going to be hard to find. In my experience the only balls that will come close are non urethane...as in dropping to lower price point ammo. High end ammo is supposed to spin enough to hold greens and offer control.

    I think you misunderstood the thread.

    I want a high end ball that spins MORE than the AVX, but just a bit more. Not the big jump I see going to the ProV1.

    The AVX spin would be ideal, but I don’t need it to be as low as it is; I also would love a tad more launch. Looking for a ball between the AVX and the ProV1...

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  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers Posts: 1,853 ✭✭

    For me the ProV1 spins like 500 more off the driver, 600-700 more off the mid irons, and 250-400 more around the green.

    Biggest is on a spinny miss
    With driver, the ProV1 will add spin a lot faster if that makes sense.

    I’d love a ball that is right in the middle of the AVX and ProV1

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  • BloomBloom Posts: 133 ✭✭

    I'm very similar to Mahamilto and I'm in between the two balls also. I thought TP5x would be an option but others think not. My question is, if you could rank the balls in regards from high spin to low spin would it be:
    TP5, TP5x, ProV1, AVX?

  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members Posts: 7,173 ✭✭

    Sounds like you need a TP5x or maybe Srixon XV. I tested both on GCQ and found out of most tour balls they seemed to spin the least off irons specifically.

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  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers Posts: 1,853 ✭✭

    Yeah. The TP5x (2017) just wasn’t the ticket off the driver. It was OK, but nothing special. It was like maybe a yard or two longer than the ProV1, which was much better I’m the short game.

    I’ve tried that ball several times and just never gotten good results. Maybe the ‘19 version is better?

    Srixon XV is a thought. I wonder how the TourBX falls in the mix. I had found one once and liked it, but never got to trial it against any other ball.

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  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers Posts: 1,853 ✭✭

    My experience is low to high spin off driver/irons:
    AVX, TP5x barely lower than ProV1 = TP5

    Low to high spin in short game:
    AVX, TP5x, TP5 = ProV1

    Trajectory low to high
    AVX, ProV1, TP5, TP5x MUCH HIGHER

    Very curious where the XV and Tour Bx fall in there.

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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members Posts: 7,173 ✭✭

    That's because almost all balls will spin roughly the same off driver. The only differences are between the most spinny of spinny balls, and the lowest of low. You won't see much diff going from ProV to TP to Chrome Soft to XV, etc. Strike will over rule for the most part, unless you're a robot. The only times I ever saw noticeable differences were between something like ProV and a Snell GetSum, which was basically impossible to spin off any club. Cool if you can hit the ball straight, but I hit draws and I could never get my ball to move back toward the fairway. Liability if you ask me.

    I'd try the XV for a little while if you aren't into TP5X. Just keep in mind during on course testing there are A LOT of variables and a very low sample size. I'd also just in my humble opinion, I'd fit your ball starting from the green and working your way out, with driver being the last and also least important club to factor in.

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  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers Posts: 1,853 ✭✭

    I’m a fairly straight hitter. The higher spin has zero to do with accuracy, but more to do with my total on the driver because I get only the carry out a ProV1 and similar with even the slightest miss from center. I’ve seen upwards of 15-20 extra yards out of the AVX by dropping my driver spin from 2600 to 2100 or so. Combine the fact that I’m a very high spin iron player and you can see where this is heading. The AVX lets me pull a PW/9 iron vs a 7iron. I have absolutely no issue stopping th AVX on the greens either. Even with 5/6 iron I stop it within 10’ or less. I can pull the AVX back with wedges.

    At the same time, I’m about a 10HCP and have a decent short game. I know it’s a tall order; I want it all: low spin long game and high spin short game.

    I just want something that maximizes my game. The AVX gives me the best overall scores I’ve seen, but I sacrifice when I’m short sided and lack that ability to stop it dead.

    I know the perfect ball may not exist; just want to trade off with something between AVX and the other urethane offerings. I’ll gladly give up 5-10 on my drives for better greenside control, but a 2 club difference is a bit much.

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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members Posts: 7,173 ✭✭
    edited Apr 9, 2019 7:20pm #23

    I'm not trying to be difficult with you, but:
    @170 ball speed, sea level.


    @Mahamilto said:
    I’m a fairly straight hitter. The higher spin has zero to do with accuracy, but more to do with my total on the driver because I get only the carry out a ProV1 and similar with even the slightest miss from center. I’ve seen upwards of 15-20 extra yards out of the AVX by dropping my driver spin from 2600 to 2100 or so. Combine the fact that I’m a very high spin iron player and you can see where this is heading. The AVX lets me pull a PW/9 iron vs a 7iron. I have absolutely no issue stopping th AVX on the greens either. Even with 5/6 iron I stop it within 10’ or less. I can pull the AVX back with wedges.

    At the same time, I’m about a 10HCP and have a decent short game. I know it’s a tall order; I want it all: low spin long game and high spin short game.

    I just want something that maximizes my game. The AVX gives me the best overall scores I’ve seen, but I sacrifice when I’m short sided and lack that ability to stop it dead.

    I know the perfect ball may not exist; just want to trade off with something between AVX and the other urethane offerings. I’ll gladly give up 5-10 on my drives for better greenside control, but a 2 club difference is a bit much.

    You're not going to gain 20 or even 10 yards in distance from 500rpm of spin, all else equal. For whatever reason the shots that are 10 or 20 yards longer are either struck better, down wind, you swung a little faster or so on.

    In summary from your OP and this last comment it sounds like from your POV -
    1) AVX is longer off the tee and makes shooting lower scores more likely because you'll have a 9i vs 7i to green
    2) You don't have any issues stopping the AVX, even with longer irons despite the lower-ish flight
    3) AVX feels soft and you like that

    Sounds like your only issue so to speak, is shots 20 yards and in. How many shots per round are you really taking from 20 yards and in? Spin on a ball on a little bump and run off the green is the same across most balls so that's not a factor really. Sounds like to me you're searching for perfection on a problem that doesn't really exist. Maybe 1 shot a round you need to hit a shot from 20 or 30 yards with a LW that you need to 2 hop stop? At 10HC should you really even be making those plays?

    Again... Just my objective opinion here. Sounds like you're already playing pretty well.

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  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers Posts: 1,853 ✭✭
    edited Apr 9, 2019 10:01pm #24

    Appreciate the response. Obviously this is based on my experience on the course, and not all things are equal. I have been playing during the week so I have had 40 or so opportunities to hit the AVX, ProV1, and TP5x side-by-side in consecutive swings. NO, not every shot with the AVX has been 20 yards further, but I would say I am averaging at least 10 yards more with the AVX than the other two. Have I had times where they are neck and neck? Of course. But the difference has been very significant and I am trying to compare only well struck shots to well struck shots, and misses to misses. Considering the sample size (8 or so rounds hitting both/all 3 balls off each tee), I don't see how it could be that I somehow consistently swing faster or strike the AVX better than the other two.

    These have been on-course experiences to this point, I included the numbers based on the very limited time I hit both balls on a GCQuad driver fitting. I will admit I do not know the actual numbers; the differences could be much more significant.

    Yes, the only issue I have with the AVX is 20 yards in, and no, switching to a ProV1 would not improve my scores, the AVX has been consistently the best for my scores. How many shots per round in this range? Maybe 5-6... I'm sure it varies from round to round.

    I'm just seeing what other people's take is on the ball vs. other offerings. I do feel like I give up a bit of scoring from 50yards in with the AVX, yet it certainly improves my scores overall. Just looking for a compromise; I really enjoy the ProV1 in the short game and I get up and down with it better, that said, the AVX overall requires me to get up an down less often.

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  • c50soonerc50sooner Members Posts: 60 ✭✭

    When you say ProV1 are you referring to the 2019 version? Reason I ask is if you look at the attached spin comparison done by tgw.com, the new ProV1 may be exactly the in between you're looking for. Impressively low driver spin numbers and should still have great performance around the green:
    https://www.tgw.com/golf-guide/top-ten-golf-ball-comparison-2019/

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  • JagpilotohioJagpilotohio 45+ inch drivers are evil. Columbus, OHMembers Posts: 7,159 ✭✭

    XV for me.

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  • MBBGMBBG Members Posts: 1,447 ✭✭

    Seems like BX or XV territory

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  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers Posts: 1,853 ✭✭
    edited Apr 14, 2019 12:50am #28

    ‘19 V1 still spins up in driver and mid irons for me.

    Maybe I’m not the same type of player as the guy who did that test.

    On a different note, shot 80 on par 72 today with the AVX. It did everything it needed to again, but I still would love a tad more green side spin.

    Tried the BX on Friday. Shot 78 on a par 70. Great off all clubs, but still liked the AVX feel better... going to have to try them head to head again.

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