How would you play this hole/pin location?

Back Pin located guarded bunkers front sides.
Small neck entry to green.
Green slops back to front.
Pin positioned in between your carry gaps (i.e: 6 iron for below line and 5 iron for above line)
Back of green is not dead but short side yourself with elevated green and green runs away from you.

How would you play this hole/pin location?
Go for flag? go short? go long?
How would your manage your miss?

Thanks in advance

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  • trileriantrilerian Members Posts: 282 ✭✭

    I would grip down on my 5i, and hit a draw. You don't want to be long, but with a 6i my miss would be in the right bunker. I think with that hole location, my 5i miss is towards the upper right of the green.
    Obviously a straight shot would be the best bet here, but I think I forgot how to do that...

  • crapulacrapula Golf! Members Posts: 1,783 ✭✭

    5 iron, take some off, fade away from hole to the right. Over fade and miss green past right bunker.

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  • ShilgyShilgy Members Posts: 11,386 ✭✭

    How would I play it or how I would like to play it? Two different things currently. I would like to take a hair off with the five-likely play just a bit of a cut. I would probably double cross myself into the left bunker. :( Aaah, the power of positive thinking. :)

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  • TheCityGameTheCityGame Traj like Minaj Members Posts: 15,235 ✭✭

    @crapula said:
    5 iron, take some off, fade away from hole to the right. Over fade and miss green past right bunker.

    This is what I'm thinking without any additional information.

    Is it a SEVERE slope? If so, maybe the 6. Is the up & down from pin high really difficult?

    The 6 iron looks like you're putting more trouble into play.

    More interesting shot with that front pin.

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  • smashdnsmashdn Let's cut them trees down. Members Posts: 991 ✭✭

    Miss short. Whether you are in the fairway/apron or the front right bunker you can still get it close with a straight-forward shot and get your par.
    If you are hitting 5-6 iron into this green it is either a long par four or a shorter par five. In the latter case you have a good chance at birdie easy par from the front.

  • crapulacrapula Golf! Members Posts: 1,783 ✭✭
    edited Apr 18, 2019 5:05pm #8

    @smashdn said:
    Miss short. Whether you are in the fairway/apron or the front right bunker you can still get it close with a straight-forward shot and get your par.
    If you are hitting 5-6 iron into this green it is either a long par four or a shorter par five. In the latter case you have a good chance at birdie easy par from the front.

    Lets assume an average gap between 5 and 6, 13 yards. That could place the pin 10 yards away from 6 iron distance. More likely to miss the green and then have a 10 yard plus shot from a bunker. 3 yards away from 5 iron distance, I would rather take the 9ft putt downhill than the 30 footer uphill.

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  • SoloShot84SoloShot84 Members Posts: 338 ✭✭

    @iteachgolf said:
    Flags in center of the green horizontally and within a few yards of 5 iron carry into a green that’s sloped back to front. You go right at it and take a little off a 5 iron.

    LIke your confident!

    @trilerian said:
    I would grip down on my 5i, and hit a draw. You don't want to be long, but with a 6i my miss would be in the right bunker. I think with that hole location, my 5i miss is towards the upper right of the green.
    Obviously a straight shot would be the best bet here, but I think I forgot how to do that...

    @crapula said:
    5 iron, take some off, fade away from hole to the right. Over fade and miss green past right bunker.

    @Shilgy said:
    How would I play it or how I would like to play it? Two different things currently. I would like to take a hair off with the five-likely play just a bit of a cut. I would probably double cross myself into the left bunker. :( Aaah, the power of positive thinking. :)

    like general comments on how you want to control longer carry instead hitting dart with shorter carry. knowing your miss is key I guess

    @TheCityGame said:

    @crapula said:
    5 iron, take some off, fade away from hole to the right. Over fade and miss green past right bunker.

    This is what I'm thinking without any additional information.

    Is it a SEVERE slope? If so, maybe the 6. Is the up & down from pin high really difficult?

    The 6 iron looks like you're putting more trouble into play.

    More interesting shot with that front pin.

    let's say it is severe enough you won't be able to stop ball with decent chip from back. except a good flop shot.
    I think it depends on your confident on your longer iron dispersion. I would still be comfortable to send it long or way short before bunker to avoid any bunker shots period.

    @smashdn said:
    Miss short. Whether you are in the fairway/apron or the front right bunker you can still get it close with a straight-forward shot and get your par.
    If you are hitting 5-6 iron into this green it is either a long par four or a shorter par five. In the latter case you have a good chance at birdie easy par from the front.

  • davep043davep043 Members Posts: 3,080 ✭✭

    So if I hit the 6, I have bunkers on both sides, and its a "narrow neck". If I hit 5, my normal distance would be just past the pin, and there's no bunker to the right. My general shape is a draw, I'd probably hit 5 at the right edge, hoping to land 6 or 8 feet right of the pin. That all gives me the best chance of being on the green somewhere, along with the least chance of being in a bunker. Since my normal 5 looks to be only 2 or 3 paces past the flag, I'd take a normal full swing, maybe grip down a half-inch to take a couple yards out, but I'm not easing off.

  • SNIPERBBBSNIPERBBB Hit Ball Hard SE OhioMembers Posts: 2,192 ✭✭

    Think I'm going right at it too with a soft 5. Could go nuclear with the 6 depending on how receptive the green in(read as don't do it if the ball will come screaming backwards) also as my miss would probably be in the right bunker.

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  • GLF4EVRGLF4EVR Members Posts: 793 ✭✭

    Easy one for me to decide. Normal shot is a baby fade so a 5 iron & aim at or slightly left of the pin since wind is not a factor. My miss will be the right side of the green & far enough that I am past the trap. If thinking a full swing on the 5 might not work, I would stop my back swing at 11 o'clock. My back swing is close to a slow tempo....better ball control plus no real loss in distance. So hope to have a birdie putt, or at worst a chip to the hole.

  • KC13KC13 31st StateMembers Posts: 338 ✭✭

    Right and below the hole. Prefer to put uphill opposed to downhill and prefer a right to left putt. Miss would be short right side bunkers.

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  • Krt22Krt22 Members Posts: 6,452 ✭✭

    I hit a pretty high ball so no roll out from a 6i on a sloped green. Id 5i choked down, starting it on the inside of the right bunker since I play a draw that can turn into a boomerang hook with longer clubs. A 6 might end up in the left bunker, a 5 potentially carry past the left bunker with a big miss.

  • TIM929TIM929 Los AngelesMembers Posts: 435 ✭✭

    shoot short, aim at the neck, and chase the up and down.

  • JustsomeguyJustsomeguy Members Posts: 994 ✭✭

    Manage your miss?
    How many times have you gone through the back of a green? Versus coming up short?
    5i to right center of green. No deep trap on right side.
    More complicated answer? 6i high draw aim for right side of green, bc str8 or short is probably still more playable than a cut from the left, but I think anything but option 1 is a bad idea unless you're just sticking it in there every time.

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  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Members Posts: 11,836 ✭✭
    edited Apr 18, 2019 7:24pm #17

    What is this .. a par 3, 4 or 5?
    Is the green also sloped L to R or R to L?
    Any tiers in the green?

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  • smashdnsmashdn Let's cut them trees down. Members Posts: 991 ✭✭

    @crapula said:

    @smashdn said:
    Miss short. Whether you are in the fairway/apron or the front right bunker you can still get it close with a straight-forward shot and get your par.
    If you are hitting 5-6 iron into this green it is either a long par four or a shorter par five. In the latter case you have a good chance at birdie easy par from the front.

    Lets assume an average gap between 5 and 6, 13 yards. That could place the pin 10 yards away from 6 iron distance. More likely to miss the green and then have a 10 yard plus shot from a bunker. 3 yards away from 5 iron distance, I would rather take the 9ft putt downhill than the 30 footer uphill.

    I should have been clearer. Go at the flag with the longer club BUT if you are going to miss, miss short. A miss short is not dead. A miss over the back potentially is given the details the OP has provided.

    You might could bump and run a chip into the back slope and snuggle it close if you go long but that ain't a play I can count on with my game.

  • crapulacrapula Golf! Members Posts: 1,783 ✭✭

    @smashdn said:

    @crapula said:

    @smashdn said:
    Miss short. Whether you are in the fairway/apron or the front right bunker you can still get it close with a straight-forward shot and get your par.
    If you are hitting 5-6 iron into this green it is either a long par four or a shorter par five. In the latter case you have a good chance at birdie easy par from the front.

    Lets assume an average gap between 5 and 6, 13 yards. That could place the pin 10 yards away from 6 iron distance. More likely to miss the green and then have a 10 yard plus shot from a bunker. 3 yards away from 5 iron distance, I would rather take the 9ft putt downhill than the 30 footer uphill.

    I should have been clearer. Go at the flag with the longer club BUT if you are going to miss, miss short. A miss short is not dead. A miss over the back potentially is given the details the OP has provided.

    You might could bump and run a chip into the back slope and snuggle it close if you go long but that ain't a play I can count on with my game.

    If you miss the green short with the 5 I wouldn't call that strategy, I'd call that a miss hit. That's a club and a half short. If that is your strategy you might as well hit a 7.

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  • hacker49hacker49 Members Posts: 483 ✭✭

    Let's face it, most of us probably have no business thinking complex about this. Also most people don't hit the ball as long as we think. Plus hitting a softer shot is easier than hitting a harder shot, again for most of us. If you truly hit your 5i the distance marked I would just choke up and go for the middle of the green, right to left. But it depends on your ball flight. The majority of golfers should take the back distance, because we aren't going to hit it perfectly and will likely end up short and go for the middle of the green.

    All of this depends on if you are a regular rec golfer or a mid handicap golfer or better that can actually hit your mark and move the ball.

  • Krt22Krt22 Members Posts: 6,452 ✭✭

    @Timbo929 said:
    shoot short, aim at the neck, and chase the up and down.

    Purposely come up short on a flag in the back of the green??

  • smashdnsmashdn Let's cut them trees down. Members Posts: 991 ✭✭
    edited Apr 18, 2019 8:56pm #22

    @crapula said:
    If you miss the green short with the 5 I wouldn't call that strategy, I'd call that a miss hit. That's a club and a half short. If that is your strategy you might as well hit a 7.

    No kidding. The strategy is jar the **** thing.

    In reality my plan would be to grip down 1/2" on the 5i and hit a 2-3 yard cut that rides the 5-6 mph slightly quartering towards wind from the right.

    But since someone already went, "hit it on and sink the birdie and collect $200," I just pointed out that whatever play you choose, the best place to miss (IMMHHO) is short and gave reasons as to why. Clearly missing the green is not a strategy anybody is taking on here because every wrx'er is a plus. In real life I am like a 16 (gasp) so where I can miss and not take an X is something I take into account. I have gotten real good at sizing up a hole to figure out where I can not wreck my scorecard despite my shoddy abilities.

  • Jack PearsallJack Pearsall Members Posts: 3,328 ✭✭

    Cut five iron while gripped a little lower. Should be below hole, probably on rightish side of green.

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  • DpavsDpavs OverWRX'ed Members Posts: 3,335 ✭✭

    If you can hit it, choke down 6 with a draw over the right bunkers. Good shot hits the green in front of the flag, missed shot should be either in the bunker or behind them so that you have room to chip up in the area behind the flag and let it roll down. If you are a fade guy and confident of your bunker play you can still use the 6 in this fashion but at the left bunkers and a missed shot will be out of the bunker. At least that is my thinking...lol.

  • nfmotonfmoto Members Posts: 170 ✭✭

    Cut 5 iron off left edge of green. Take a hair off of it.

  • aggiegolfer21aggiegolfer21 Members Posts: 53 ✭✭

    Play your stock shot with a 6 iron and maybe try to give it a little more to get to the middle of the green. Middle of the green is the play. Stock shot shape is the play. You are hitting a 6 iron, don't try to do too much. Getting on the green while taking out the possibility of getting short sided is what you want to do here.

  • TIM929TIM929 Los AngelesMembers Posts: 435 ✭✭
    edited Apr 22, 2019 8:38pm #27

    @Krt22 said:

    @Timbo929 said:
    shoot short, aim at the neck, and chase the up and down.

    Purposely come up short on a flag in the back of the green??

    At first glance of OP's post:

    I thought, par 3.

    Pins at 177(my 6 iron: 170 to 180) with a cart path on the right side that wraps around the back and shoots left to the next hole(I have this exact par 3 on my course) .

    My miss is a over draw/ hook, so for this hole I normally try to send it slightly short of the green with my target line aimed at the left edge of the right bunker.

    1st shot lands at the neck in front of the green or my miss (as of now) should put me slightly in front of left bunker, 2nd shot easy up hill chip on with a 56*, 3rd easy up hill putt for par.

    this is the hole where if I land in the sand 2/3 is a bogey or worst, but if I chip on 1/2 is a par/ bogey on a normal day. I play early AM first light, the sand is always wet and sometimes muddy(if it rains) so my bunker game is not reliable, but chip/ pitch is my thing :)

  • LodestoneLodestone Members Posts: 3,258 ✭✭

    Hit the trap draw.

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  • Shades234Shades234 Members Posts: 245 ✭✭
    edited Apr 23, 2019 1:36am #29

    Knockdown 5. Not afraid of the bunkers if I'm below the hole since pin is centered and you're playing up a slope from below the hole.

  • oikos1oikos1 Members Posts: 2,268 ✭✭

    Surprised this one has gotten so many comments. First reply put it to rest. Seems like a lot of over thinking.

  • MountainGoatMountainGoat Mid-MarylandMembers Posts: 1,661 ✭✭

    I'd want to play it with a knock-down 5. What I'd actually do is blade it into the bunker, blast out above the hole and three-putt.

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