Iron type for controlling shots into the wind

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I'm a 9 handicap playing 714 AP2s with DG S300 shafts. I have a hard time keeping the ball from climbing up in the wind and I'm not sure what iron type I should be looking at in my next set. It seems that irons for my skill level are going into two different categories: (1) low spin, high launching distance irons (P790, i500) and (2) pro cavities that are higher spinning but lower launching. Which do you think performs better into the wind? I know shafts have a lot to do with how the ball launches and spins, but curious if there was an iron category or type that people think performs well into the wind.

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    Into the wind, spin is NOT your friend. No matter how low launching it will balloon. I was an extremely high spin player, in my search for something lower spinning my three best were....
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    On -, @eckmanjp said:

    I'm a 9 handicap playing 714 AP2s with DG S300 shafts. I have a hard time keeping the ball from climbing up in the wind and I'm not sure what iron type I should be looking at in my next set. It seems that irons for my skill level are going into two different categories: (1) low spin, high launching distance irons (P790, i500) and (2) pro cavities that are higher spinning but lower launching. Which do you think performs better into the wind? I know shafts have a lot to do with how the ball launches and spins, but curious if there was an iron category or type that people think performs well into the wind.

    We need more information. How far do you hit your 7-iron? What is your driver swing speed?

    You might need X100 shafts in your AP2's, or maybe not; but your swing speed would help answer that question.

    Best response so far is to use a club or two stronger, and put a 3/4 swing on it to keep the flight down.

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    On -, @eckmanjp said:

    Which do you think performs better into the wind?

    The one with the player using them who knows how to control their trajectory better. Yes the heads can make some difference but usually for most it's not enough to cross the line between ballooning and not ballooning. The dynamic loft you deliver with your swing is by far the most dominant factor.

    Did you see how many problems the pro's had this weekend with ballooning at the RBC Heritage?

    On -, @eckmanjp said:

    I know shafts have a lot to do with how the ball launches and spins,

    There are always exceptions but actually for most, it really isn't a lot - particularly with irons and a half-way decent fit for shaft stiffness. The shorter the playing length, the less effect the shaft will have.

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    On -, @gvogel said:

    We need more information. How far do you hit your 7-iron? What is your driver swing speed?

    I carry a 7 iron about 160 yards and have a driver SS of 103 mph

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    Shafts don't make enough difference to worry about, and you don't want to pick heads just based on into wind shots. Best tip for hitting into the wind, take more club, choke down, and swing slower. The harder you swing, the more the ball spins. The more loft you have, the more the ball spins.

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    On -, @Adam C said:

    Shafts don't make enough difference to worry about, and you don't want to pick heads just based on into wind shots. Best tip for hitting into the wind, take more club, choke down, and swing slower. The harder you swing, the more the ball spins. The more loft you have, the more the ball spins.

    This is dead on. Equipment can't solve every issue, at least not without causing a different issue. If you get something that launches lower with less spin, you won't be able to stop a ball on the green going downwind, maybe not even in calm conditions. Sometimes you actually need to learn to adapt to changing conditions all on your own.

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    On -, @eckmanjp said:

    On -, @gvogel said:

    We need more information. How far do you hit your 7-iron? What is your driver swing speed?

    I carry a 7 iron about 160 yards and have a driver SS of 103 mph

    Keep your AP2's as is.

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    A thinner sole will bring the center of gravity closer to face and lower the launch. Obviously MBs will do the trick but they don't have much forgiveness.
    A friend of mine used to play the razr x forged, which has a relatively thin sole but good forgiveness.

    Srixon's recent irons (z585, z785 and previous versions z765, z565) have been relatively low spinning in the youtube tests i have seen.

    I have seen several posters comment that the launch/spin of the ap2s were too high for them.

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    Sounds like you have good clubs and shaft combo for reducing spin. Shafts do make a difference...but don’t cure the upshoot into the wind. Good advice above about more club and swinging slower...speed equals spin. I find the biggest mistake people make into the wind is playing the ball too far back and hitting down too hard. The key is smooth through impact and finishing low in your follow through...not pounding it down...that creates that upshooting shot that the wind destroys

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    I'd say AP2s are not the problem here, I can play mine low...as opposed to something like G25s which I couldnt keep down against the wind.

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    Playing well in windy conditions, is more about technique, ( flighting the ball with dynamic loft at impact ) . As stated above, choke down an inch
    with a longer club, delofting at impact to remove the spin from an iron setting it on a more boring trajectory will certainly help, allow for forward roll
    when landing on the green. Practice and patience,
    will yield favorable results, This is a skill to be learned, not always a high percentage shot, but effective once learned.

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    On -, @eckmanjp said:

    On -, @gvogel said:

    We need more information. How far do you hit your 7-iron? What is your driver swing speed?

    I carry a 7 iron about 160 yards and have a driver SS of 103 mph

    Several others have said the same thing, but...
    Next time you have a 160 yard shot into a stiff breeze instead of moving down one club to the 6 iron and hitting if full, go to the 5 iron and swing at 70%.

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    On -, @jongalt55 said:

    On -, @Jack Pearsall said:

    Everyone is a bit different, but for JP S300 are a pretty decently low launching shaft. Right or wrongly JP generally thinks in terms of shaft and swing techniques to lower ball flight, but you’re right that some heads are definitely higher/lower launching. Some balls are better in the wind also.( JP uses TP5x)
    So JP tends to put the ball back in his stance some, take a lower lofted club than you’d normally use and use a loopy, softer swing to take spin off the ball and lower flight. It’s a shot that takes practice.
    Totally did not answer ur question...

    Is this an entire post referring to yourself in the third person?

    Jack can’t talk Thai ....... jack talk Thai very well ....,

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    When it’s breezy, swing easy!

    I grew up playing windy links course, so it was natural but its not for everybody.

    Honestly, if you can’t figure it out; save yourself the sanity and avoid windy days or courses.

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    AP2 do spin a lot but I had 714s with KBS which many consider to be a crazy high spin combo and I could flight them well in the wind. Issue is technique. Take some lessons on a windy day with a good coach. Read above advice. All the best.

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    Technique plays the major role here, not equipment. Generally, anywhere from 1 to 3 extra club, grip down on handle, and use what I call a wide-to-wide swing at 3/4 speed. Think limited arm swing (no longer than left arm parallel with the ground in BS) and then cover the ball, keep body turning through it, and finish wide & low, with handle following your rotating trunk around to the left.

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    Changing your ball is going to make a much bigger difference than changing your equipment here.

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    On -, @BrianMcG said:

    You need to take 2 more clubs and choke down an inch.

    One of the best shots that I can remember hitting was a few years ago on Christmas Eve. It was relatively warm (58*), but windy - 30 to 35 mph winds. The first hole that I played was straight into the wind. I had about 90 yards for my third shot into the green; I took my 8-iron, gripped down a bit, and took a 3/4 swing. Nestled the ball into 4 feet for birdie. In calm conditions I was hitting 8-iron 135 yards back then, so you can get an idea of what was going on.

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    Get onto a launch monitor and learn to control your dynamic loft. That way you can play what ever clubs you like the look of.

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    On -, @Chuck905 said:

    When it’s breezy, swing easy!

    I grew up playing windy links course, so it was natural but its not for everybody.

    Honestly, if you can’t figure it out; save yourself the sanity and avoid windy days or courses.

    Swing "easy" = fat city

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    I just moved to S300s this season and think they help me keep the ball down decently. Even with no wind, I just prefer a lower penetrating ball flight from my irons.

    I agree with most of the posters above — keep the clubs as is and try to alter the technique. I say this as a 13, so please don’t take anything as a criticism.

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    On -, @eckmanjp said:

    On -, @gvogel said:

    We need more information. How far do you hit your 7-iron? What is your driver swing speed?

    I carry a 7 iron about 160 yards and have a driver SS of 103 mph

    This is a technique change not an iron fitting change. Unless you want to go to something with absolutely low spin and then youre changing a head with majorly different profiles and CG

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    On -, @DavePelz4 said:

    On -, @jongalt55 said:

    On -, @Jack Pearsall said:

    Everyone is a bit different, but for JP S300 are a pretty decently low launching shaft. Right or wrongly JP generally thinks in terms of shaft and swing techniques to lower ball flight, but you’re right that some heads are definitely higher/lower launching. Some balls are better in the wind also.( JP uses TP5x)
    So JP tends to put the ball back in his stance some, take a lower lofted club than you’d normally use and use a loopy, softer swing to take spin off the ball and lower flight. It’s a shot that takes practice.
    Totally did not answer ur question...

    Is this an entire post referring to yourself in the third person?

    You must be new to these parts. That's the legendary Jack Pearsall who only speaks of Jack Pearsall in the third person.

    The schtick ran its course and got old several years ago.

    Ignore feature needs to come back ASAP.

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    On -, @jongalt55 said:

    On -, @Jack Pearsall said:

    Everyone is a bit different, but for JP S300 are a pretty decently low launching shaft. Right or wrongly JP generally thinks in terms of shaft and swing techniques to lower ball flight, but you’re right that some heads are definitely higher/lower launching. Some balls are better in the wind also.( JP uses TP5x)
    So JP tends to put the ball back in his stance some, take a lower lofted club than you’d normally use and use a loopy, softer swing to take spin off the ball and lower flight. It’s a shot that takes practice.
    Totally did not answer ur question...

    >

    Is this an entire post referring to yourself in the third person?

    You’re new here, ain’t ya?

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    It’s not the club. It’s you. Work on your impact position and your wind play will improve.

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