Rate these irons in terms of forgiveness:

asumnerdawgasumnerdawg Members Posts: 336 ✭✭

Ping i210
Ping i500
Ping i200
Z785
Z585
AP2 718
Cobra Forged TEC

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3H- Ping G with Evenflow Blue 85 6.0; N/A
4 iron: G400 green dot CFS stiff, It's stamped 5 iron but power spec at 22* I use it as 4 iron; N/A
5-PW: Ping i15 green dot AWT stiff; i200 w/ CFS stiff 3-PW
52/12 F: Vokey sm7 2 up; Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth SS 52
58/12 D: Vokey sm7 2 up; Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth SS 58
Putter: Ping Anser Milled 5; Nike Method Matter B2-05
Ball: Titleist Pro V1 X

Comments

  • JDubya89JDubya89 Members Posts: 18 ✭✭

    Just my opinion, but I have hit all of those and would rank as follows from most to least forgiving:
    1. Cobra forged Tec
    2. Ping I500
    3. Z585
    4. Ping i210/i200 (no difference in forgiveness)
    5. AP2
    6. Z785

  • chigolfer1chigolfer1 Members Posts: 865 ✭✭

    @asumnerdawg said:
    Ping i210
    Ping i500
    Ping i200
    Z785
    Z585
    AP2 718
    Cobra Forged TEC

    Have you looked at the maltby guide? Even if you don't agree with his "rating," he provides pure data on MOI and COG

  • LeoLeo99LeoLeo99 Members Posts: 3,979 ✭✭

    @JDubya89 said:
    Just my opinion, but I have hit all of those and would rank as follows from most to least forgiving:
    1. Cobra forged Tec
    2. Ping I500
    3. Z585
    4. Ping i210/i200 (no difference in forgiveness)
    5. AP2
    6. Z785

    I'm not familiar with the forged tec but I concur with this list.

  • Chuck905Chuck905 Members Posts: 1,144 ✭✭
    edited Apr 23, 2019 3:42am #5

    Wow. If you cannot find the ball with the 585, seriously; quit the game.

    This is stupid.

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  • dmeeksDCdmeeksDC ClubWRX Posts: 2,195 ClubWRX

    Cannot just go by COG. Some low COG irons hurt distance because the low COG makes them launch higher. Yes, that is a “forgiveness” factor. But launching higher is not always better depending on the golfer.
    I would rank the 585 as most forgiving on this list due to v-sole, followed closely by the Forged Tec.
    I find the Ping 200/210 series more forgiving than the i500, which has less offset and my tendency is leaving the face open at impact so moderate offset helps. Not a fan of the i500. The 200/210 sound and feel better too.
    The 785 and AP2 would be least forgiving on this list but both are pretty playable.

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  • apex17apex17 Members Posts: 36 ✭✭

    Funny that some say the Z785s are not that forgiving. I guess for me they were. I was just fit for them an hit them better than the Z585s, I was expecting to walk out with a combo set, I ended up with 5-GW in the Z785s and Z u85 4 iron.

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  • cgasuckscgasucks Members Posts: 2,186 ✭✭
    edited Apr 23, 2019 1:54pm #8

    @Chuck905 said:
    Wow. If you cannot find the ball with the 585, seriously; quit the game.

    This is stupid.

    If you can't find the ball with the 2017 King Cobra Oversized Irons then golf isn't for you. When I first saw them on the racks at my local Golftown I thought it was an all hybrid set.

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  • chigolfer1chigolfer1 Members Posts: 865 ✭✭

    @dmeeksDC said:
    Cannot just go by COG. Some low COG irons hurt distance because the low COG makes them launch higher. Yes, that is a “forgiveness” factor. But launching higher is not always better depending on the golfer.
    I would rank the 585 as most forgiving on this list due to v-sole, followed closely by the Forged Tec.
    I find the Ping 200/210 series more forgiving than the i500, which has less offset and my tendency is leaving the face open at impact so moderate offset helps. Not a fan of the i500. The 200/210 sound and feel better too.
    The 785 and AP2 would be least forgiving on this list but both are pretty playable.

    Interesting. What does the MOI do for an iron as far as "forgiveness", flight, etc.?

  • gvogelgvogel Members Posts: 7,320 ✭✭

    @chigolfer1 said:

    @asumnerdawg said:
    Ping i210
    Ping i500
    Ping i200
    Z785
    Z585
    AP2 718
    Cobra Forged TEC

    Have you looked at the maltby guide? Even if you don't agree with his "rating," he provides pure data on MOI and COG

    According to Maltby Playability Factor:
    Z585 - 504
    i200 - 474
    Cobra - 415
    AP2 - 413
    Z785 - 402
    i210 - 338
    i500 - 188

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  • gvogelgvogel Members Posts: 7,320 ✭✭
    edited Apr 23, 2019 4:06pm #11

    According to Maltby MOI:

    i500 - 15.680
    i210 - 14.957
    AP2 - 14.768
    i200 - 14.296
    Cobra - 13.51
    Z585 - 13.226
    Z785 - 13.089

    Post edited by gvogel on
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  • NessismNessism To measure is to know... Members Posts: 18,344 ✭✭

    Forget Playability Factor, look at MOI, and temper that with the sole grind you prefer.

    i500 - 15.68
    i210 - 14.96
    AP2 718 - 14.77
    i200 - 14.30
    Cobra Forged TEC - 13.44
    Z585 - 13.22
    Z785 - 13.09

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  • chigolfer1chigolfer1 Members Posts: 865 ✭✭

    @Nessism said:
    Forget Playability Factor, look at MOI, and temper that with the sole grind you prefer.

    i500 - 15.68
    i210 - 14.96
    AP2 718 - 14.77
    i200 - 14.30
    Cobra Forged TEC - 13.44
    Z585 - 13.22
    Z785 - 13.09

    What does MOI do for a club and the playability?

  • PixlPutterman PixlPutterman Look At My Lefty J33R(hey I can wish) Members Posts: 8,243 ✭✭

    Why aren't HiBore Irons a choice? ;)

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  • NessismNessism To measure is to know... Members Posts: 18,344 ✭✭

    @chigolfer1 said:

    @Nessism said:
    Forget Playability Factor, look at MOI, and temper that with the sole grind you prefer.

    i500 - 15.68
    i210 - 14.96
    AP2 718 - 14.77
    i200 - 14.30
    Cobra Forged TEC - 13.44
    Z585 - 13.22
    Z785 - 13.09

    What does MOI do for a club and the playability?

    MOI reduces the tendency for the club to twist when contact is off the center of gravity of the head, such as out on the toe, so more energy is transferred to the ball.

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    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 5 wood w/Aldila Black 70S
    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 Hybrid w/Aldila Kuro Kage 80S
    Ping G410 irons w/Recoil 95S (i200 backups)
    Ping Glide 50/55/60 wedges w/Recoil 110S
    Ping Anser/Arna putter - the "real deal!"
  • chigolfer1chigolfer1 Members Posts: 865 ✭✭

    @Nessism said:

    @chigolfer1 said:

    @Nessism said:
    Forget Playability Factor, look at MOI, and temper that with the sole grind you prefer.

    i500 - 15.68
    i210 - 14.96
    AP2 718 - 14.77
    i200 - 14.30
    Cobra Forged TEC - 13.44
    Z585 - 13.22
    Z785 - 13.09

    What does MOI do for a club and the playability?

    MOI reduces the tendency for the club to twist when contact is off the center of gravity of the head, such as out on the toe, so more energy is transferred to the ball.

    Got it and thanks! These maltby ratings and the differences of opinion on COG vs. MOI are really enlightening.

  • gvogelgvogel Members Posts: 7,320 ✭✭

    @Nessism said:
    Forget Playability Factor, look at MOI, and temper that with the sole grind you prefer.

    i500 - 15.68
    i210 - 14.96
    AP2 718 - 14.77
    i200 - 14.30
    Cobra Forged TEC - 13.44
    Z585 - 13.22
    Z785 - 13.09

    IT is interesting to me that the 718 AP1 has an MOI of 14.60, while the AP2 has an MOI of 14.77. You would think that it would be the other way around.

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  • chigolfer1chigolfer1 Members Posts: 865 ✭✭
    edited Apr 23, 2019 4:18pm #18

    @gvogel said:

    @Nessism said:
    Forget Playability Factor, look at MOI, and temper that with the sole grind you prefer.

    i500 - 15.68
    i210 - 14.96
    AP2 718 - 14.77
    i200 - 14.30
    Cobra Forged TEC - 13.44
    Z585 - 13.22
    Z785 - 13.09

    IT is interesting to me that the 718 AP1 has an MOI of 14.60, while the AP2 has an MOI of 14.77. You would think that it would be the other way around.

    Well AP1 has lower VCOG:

    AP1
    VCOG: .755

    AP2
    VCOG: .803

    But that doesn't seem like that much of a difference to account for a maltby rating of 813 for the 1s and 508 for the 2s.

    BUT, the MOI CF is 29 for the 1s and 15 for the 2. First of all, what is that? The MOI in the center of the face? Two, why is that so important and, apparently, it almost accounts for all of the huge difference in Maltby rating?

    edit: wait a second, the MOI CF for Ping 410s is 0? I don't get it then why the AP2 is rated so much lower than the AP1 in Maltby playability

  • SwingBladeSwingBlade SoCalMembers Posts: 877 ✭✭

    Maltby rated the TM P730’s at an MPF of 15. That just illustrates the severe rigidity of his system and why sometimes a given MPF rating seems quite logical while at other times it misses the mark by a mile becoming completely irrelevant or meaningless. This is particularly true of players cb’s and blades.

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