Hate my swing. Help!

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Would love some feedback! Seems like lately I can't get my hips to turn, and always, forever, my constant issue has been an immediate over the top move at the transition instead of a shallowing.

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  • physasstphysasst Rochester, MN 122WRX Points: 137Handicap: 17.5Members Posts: 122 Fairways
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    I'm hardly an expert, but it looks like you are opening the club face up big time on your backswing. It might be making you compensate by doing the "over the top" move. I'd focus first on your backswing. I only noticed, because I am battling the same thing right now.

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    On -, @physasst said:

    I'm hardly an expert, but it looks like you are opening the club face up big time on your backswing. It might be making you compensate by doing the "over the top" move. I'd focus first on your backswing. I only noticed, because I am battling the same thing right now.

    I see what you mean. It actually looks a little closed at the top, but opens up early in the takeaway.

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    The first two things I thought about upon viewing your swing were:
    The takeaway: you're releasing your left arm from your body, letting your hands go towards the ball and rolling your wrists, which subsequently forces the clubshaft to leave the plane immediately - from there you have to make adjustments through out the swing to just get back on plane. A common compensation of being under the plane in the backswing is getting over the top in the down swing.

    The constant bend in your left leg.
    You do a good job deepening your hips in the backswing - Tiger and Hogan is great examples of this - but then your right leg keeps its bend WITHOUT the left leg straightening. That makes your hips incapable of (properly) driving 45 degree to the left.
    You do a bunch of good things, but you need to fix that takeaway and leg action, before you try to shallow the downswing.

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    On -, @SmthCriminl said:

    The first two things I thought about upon viewing your swing were:
    The takeaway: you're releasing your left arm from your body, letting your hands go towards the ball and rolling your wrists, which subsequently forces the clubshaft to leave the plane immediately - from there you have to make adjustments through out the swing to just get back on plane. A common compensation of being under the plane in the backswing is getting over the top in the down swing.

    The constant bend in your left leg.
    You do a good job deepening your hips in the backswing - Tiger and Hogan is great examples of this - but then your right leg keeps its bend WITHOUT the left leg straightening. That makes your hips incapable of (properly) driving 45 degree to the left.
    You do a bunch of good things, but you need to fix that takeaway and leg action, before you try to shallow the downswing.

    This is great.
    Takeaway- would the correction here be to keep my hands moving along the plane my shoulders are turning on, while not letting the club get under plane?
    Left leg bend- not sure when I started doing that, but I see it now.

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    Watch Rosie takeaway here, at 1:50ish. He leaves the plane but saves it because he doesnt roll or break the wrists - this could be something to aim for short term. As you can see he's in as good position at the the top of the back swing as anyone you'll ever see. The breaking of the wrists will likely give you short game problem if it already hasn't.

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    The feeling you want is that your hands goes down as the club head moves up. A cocking of the wrists, not a breaking of them.

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    I’m not sure I’m visualizing the difference rolling/breaking a cocking the wrists. I see in the videos that I’m opening the face at the takeaway, and then closing it close to the top.

    Is that what you’re seeing?

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  • physasstphysasst Rochester, MN 122WRX Points: 137Handicap: 17.5Members Posts: 122 Fairways
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    I'm no golf pro or instructor, but your club face still looks different at the top. Especially when you compare it to Justin Rose...Or Rory. At the 0.08 second point of your first video your club toe is pointing towards your front, while if you watch Justin Rose at 2:29 of the video above, OR Rory at 0.57 seconds of this video, the toe of their club face at the top is pointing towards the target. Again...I'm no expert, but it does not look the same.
    https://youtu.be/-zN7pkk0r4Q

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    New video here from today. I think my left leg is getting straighter at impact, I definitely feel like it's straightening and allowing a little more hip turn. Wrist rolling also feels different, but I'm not sure the swing actually looks any different.

    Bad angle today. I'll get a better one this week.

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    Looks like my backswing can stop a little sooner too, right? There's that move at the end where my elbow comes up and the club head comes across that doesn't look like it's adding anything.

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    On -, @zbot said:

    Looks like my backswing can stop a little sooner too, right? There's that move at the end where my elbow comes up and the club head comes across that doesn't look like it's adding anything.

    2nd video looks like a slightly better backswing... looks like you get out of sync from the transition... lower body gets disconnected from upper body.

    Take my observation with a grain of salt... not an expert in the least, just giving you an observation.

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    Zbot,
    You make the same mistake millions of golfers make. That is - to try to Throw the face into the BACK of the ball (which is perfectly normal because that is the NATURAL action for a Human being. ) Unfortunately, the Golf swing is NOT NATURAL for us. It is totally unnatural and foreign to the Human Structure. Centrifugal forces pull that big RIGHT shoulder out toward the ball - And your HANDS AND ARMS have NO choice but to go OUT with them. Over - the - top is imminent . Our INTENT is ALWAYS to “”PULL “”the heel of the club face into the inside quadrant of the ball—— NEVER THE BACK OF IT! BECAUSE- it is the turning of the torso ( the inner circle ) that squares the face at impact , not the HANDS !!!!!!
    Now - the ONLY part of the Human structure that is the ONLY answer to these over - the -top- moves is——
    The HANDS — the ONLY part of our body attached to the shaft / lever.
    The HANDS — our external brains of which approx. 40 % of our brain is dedicated to.
    The HANDS —- either ( rightie of lefty) of which approx. 80% of the brain is dedicated to for motion.
    The HANDS —- they ONLY control/ direct the swing. They have NO power to HIT. They MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO ROLL OVER DURING THE DS AS THEY ARE GENETICALLY DESIGNED TO. THE BODY WILL ALWAYS OBEY THE COMMANDS OF THE —-HANDS !

    Good luck

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    You actually have good body mechanics. Good hip turn and a decent backswing. The best advice I can give is to fix the "chicken wing" issue.
    Your trail arm elbow is compromising your whole swing. You need to think about your elbow following your belly button, or jamming it into your ribcage. This will eliminate your massive out to in path.
    (https://us.v-cdn.net/6024507/uploads/editor/nt/62i9ntcbau62.png "")
    In that picture, your hips are moving but your trail elbow has flared out. It's too late to fix at this point. The club is coming over the top.

    Check out Tiger here from last year. In his transition, the trail elbow is pointing straight down, like "losing an arm wrestling match". His arm has collapsed into his ribcage, eliminating the over the top motion.
    It is a hard transition to change and requires practice! But will for sure eliminate the over the top move. Cheers!

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    Zbot,

     You have such a severe over the top DS that it might take a somewhat radical thought  to overcome it. The golf swing is very similar to chopping with and axe and I hope you never try chopping a log like you do in this video  because you would come dangerously close to chopping off your left foot . Suppose their was a log on the ground parallel to that front rope and I asked you to chop it in half. You would no doubt  easily perform that simple task and I am sure you would PULL the axe around behind your torso to form a lever between your arms and the axe handle so as to create the necessary power to cut this log into . I doubt if you would swing the head of the axe anywhere near your left foot. Your goal is to “ PULL THE HEEL OF THE CLUB FACE  INTO THE INSIDE QUADRANT OF THE GOLF BALL, NOT INTO THE BACK. BC it is the turning / rotation of the torso that squares the face at impact — not the hands. 
    

    Good luck.

    Lane

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    On -, @laneholt said:

    You have such a severe over the top DS that it might take a somewhat radical thought to overcome it.

    I know. I can't stop it. That and the chicken swing right arm. Just can't get myself to move in the right way.
    Here's a new one from today. legs are out of sync again, but maybe the downswing is a little better.

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    Zbot,
    I see some improvement here , but a question for you . Have you worked on driving your legs laterally to start your DS ? One bit of info you should know. None of your brain is dedicated to your legs. I promise you have never given one thought to your legs when you walk. No need to in the golf swing either. Our legs are made to stand on and they have NO power to apply to our golf swing.
    Our goal is —- to PULL the butt end of the lever ( the shaft in this case ) down and around our torso and keep turning and pulling on the grip end until we can no longer turn and pull. You might notice that your shoulders are still facing the target at the completion of your swing. This is a sure sign that you have thrown the head of the club from the top and your torso ( which is your ONLY power source ) has shut down. Your hips and torso have NOT turned and rotated around left as they should have . Watch any great player and you will notice they PULL the butt around as far as they possibly can. The inner circle ( turning torso ) provides the power. Our HANDS have no power , but approx. 40 % of our brain is dedicated to them and our torso / body will ALWAYS obey their commands. We keep PULLING and TURNING and accelerating the BUTT end of the lever until we can NO longer turn. HANDS are Directors , not Actors. Keep. You RIGHT PALM UP FACING THE SKY DURING YOUR DS.

    Lane

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    On -, @flanign2 said:

    You actually have good body mechanics. Good hip turn and a decent backswing. The best advice I can give is to fix the "chicken wing" issue.
    Your trail arm elbow is compromising your whole swing. You need to think about your elbow following your belly button, or jamming it into your ribcage. This will eliminate your massive out to in path.
    (https://us.v-cdn.net/6024507/uploads/editor/nt/62i9ntcbau62.png "")
    In that picture, your hips are moving but your trail elbow has flared out. It's too late to fix at this point. The club is coming over the top.

    Check out Tiger here from last year. In his transition, the trail elbow is pointing straight down, like "losing an arm wrestling match". His arm has collapsed into his ribcage, eliminating the over the top motion.
    It is a hard transition to change and requires practice! But will for sure eliminate the over the top move. Cheers!

    Definitely agree!

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    Until you fix the back swing there's nothing you're going to be able to do in the downswing to fix over the over the top, your body is compensating to get the club back to the ball. If you try to shallow out and swing from the inside you'll end up throwing the club a few feet into the ground behind the ball or you'll make some other crazy moves (early extension ect).
    -Like mentioned going back you move your hands toward the ball and roll the wrists
    -left arm parallel if you draw a line through the shaft it's pointing several feet outside of the ball, club is way under plane
    -you don't close the face as you get to the top, it's the opposite, you're left wrist is cupped and face is wide open
    -shoulders and hips appear to rotate more parallel to the ground than perpendicular to the spine

    If you look at the face on your first move is to roll the wrists in before doing anything else. The only way to really fix things is to really practice on getting the first half of the backswing better. Make sure the hands move more in and club stays more out, keeping the face pointing at the ball/path line for the first half of the backs wing should help get you started. Once you get that down you'll need to work on getting the shoulders and hips to turn properly. With your shoulders, if you put a club across it, at the top the club should be pointing somewhere down towards the ball. The hips need to turn at that same angle, right hip should go back and up while and the left hip comes out and down. Hopefully that makes some sense.

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    Zbot,

    Have you ever played baseball ? Most of us have as kids. Here is an illustration that I find helps folks trying to
    find some answers about the golf swing———
    Use a golf club or baseball bat. Take a stance and pretend you are at home plate and you are going to attempt to hit a baseball thrown at you. I want you to PULL that lever around you torso in SLOW MOTION in an attempt for your lever to collide with that incoming object. Now- pay CLOSE ATTENTION to you HANDS pre- impact. Is you RIGHT PALM FACING UPWARD TO THE SKY? Are your HANDS “ LEADING “ your lever ? Did you throw the tip of the bat / lever at the ball or did you PULL the lever around trusting that your HAND / EYE coordination would help you make contact ? You see— your HANDS have NO power to hit anything, but our body will obey the commands of our HANDS without questioning them. Did you give ANY thought to your backswing or was all your focus on contacting that incoming object ? You will ONLY have 2/10 second to make a decision and the HUMAN can only perform one task in that period of time.
    Now— go out hit some golf balls and keep your HANDS facing upward during your entire DS with relaxed hands and wrist and see what happens.
    Good luck.

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    On -, @MountainKing said:

    If you look at the face on your first move is to roll the wrists in before doing anything else. The only way to really fix things is to really practice on getting the first half of the backswing better. Make sure the hands move more in and club stays more out, keeping the face pointing at the ball/path line for the first half of the backs wing should help get you started.

    This is fantastic. Needed something concrete to work with as I just couldn't get myself into any other position than the bad one I've grooved in. I'll get a video. I feel a difference in how the club moves at the top with a better takeaway.

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    On -, @zbot said:

    On -, @MountainKing said:

    If you look at the face on your first move is to roll the wrists in before doing anything else. The only way to really fix things is to really practice on getting the first half of the backswing better. Make sure the hands move more in and club stays more out, keeping the face pointing at the ball/path line for the first half of the backs wing should help get you started.

    This is fantastic. Needed something concrete to work with as I just couldn't get myself into any other position than the bad one I've grooved in. I'll get a video. I feel a difference in how the club moves at the top with a better takeaway.

    There's a few great drills out there from different guys. A lot of them use the alignment stick drill:

    I've suffered from the same issue over the years and that drill really helps keep the feel. You can get all the advice you want on your downswing, but none of it is going to work because it's all a result of that rolling of the arms. Fixing the downswing without fixing the real issue will just make you less consistent as you're just going to be developing more compensating moves to force yourself into positions. It'll take a lot of practice to fix it but it'll be worth it, you'll probably hit a ton of shots thin at first because you're body will naturally still stand up coming down until the brain figures out that you don't need to stand up anymore to get to the golf ball. If you can get into a good spot in the first half of your backswing, the rest hopefully should fall in place.

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    Wow- I continue to be amazed at how much needless attention Is given to the “ BACKSWING. “ some make their living teaching it. I don’t suppose anyone ever taught such famous PGA winners such as Jim Furyk, Calvin Pete, Miller Barber and many , many more the proper BS. . Furyk has won 26 tournaments - 17 PGA events and no one would argue he probably has the oddest BS on tour, yet one of the best strikers on tour.
    Far to much is made of such a simple action . Most of us could stand at home plate and hit baseballs for infield practice without giving one second thought where we placed the bat - obviously somewhere behind our torso I would suggest. Our focus would be

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    So yeah, you need to stop pushing your hands "out," which flattens the club too much going back and makes you swing steep coming down. A really simple drill is to set up 2 alignment sticks: one along your foot line (be careful with your alignment), and one at the same angle as your clubshaft, just to your right about 3-4 feet. Practice swinging over the stick on the takeaway, keeping your hands in and club out (it will feel very steep and the clubface will feel closed), and then Under it coming down. Here's another very good drill from my instructor, James Jordan:

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    On -, @laneholt said:

    Wow- I continue to be amazed at how much needless attention Is given to the “ BACKSWING. “ some make their living teaching it. I don’t suppose anyone ever taught such famous PGA winners such as Jim Furyk, Calvin Pete, Miller Barber and many , many more the proper BS. . Furyk has won 26 tournaments - 17 PGA events and no one would argue he probably has the oddest BS on tour, yet one of the best strikers on tour.
    Far to much is made of such a simple action . Most of us could stand at home plate and hit baseballs for infield practice without giving one second thought where we placed the bat - obviously somewhere behind our torso I would suggest. Our focus would be

    Much easier to overcome a back swing that's outside the plane than inside/under. When you roll open and get the club under the plane the club feels heavier and you have to reroute it over the top. There's always going to be random guys who are exceptions who and can get away with bizarre moves, but if it was a secret to success you'd see tons of guys in tour by now trying to swing like Furyk and teachers teaching his swing. With that, how do you propose the original poster fixes his swing without working on the backswing?

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    The bat analogy won't work, you hold the bat naturally outside the plane and when you swing the bat will naturally shallow. What happens if you take that bat and roll the forearms and wrist open before swinging? The bat would now be under the plane making much harder to get back to the ball with out a ton of effort. When the backswing is upright or outside the plane it's much easier to shallow.

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    Well, Sir,
    Our American golf idol who was nationally recognized as one of our greatest ball strikers , Ben Hogan, rolled his hands and forearms back around behind his torso as much as humanly possible and he won a few tournaments that way. He stated such in his last golf Digest interview before his death. BUT- he never rolled his hands and forearms during his DS. He NEVER attempted to HIT with his HANDS . He PULLED his LEVER system down and around his torso and swept it off the ground.
    I would urge you use your own skills of observation and not just believe me or anyone else. I don’t del in theory or opinion, just facts. I do appreciate your reply and look forward to hearing from you.
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    Hogan's hands move in and the club moves out like most great golfers. His forearms rotate appropriately, his first move isn't pushing the hands away from the body and to roll the wrists and forearms. His swing was perfectly on plane, the OP swing is far from on plane. All your examples are of golfers that are already doing it right or doing it in a way that makes it easier to do right, aka keeping the club over the plane going back rather than under. Ray Floyd is the closest I can think of but even his move isn't this, his hands still come in and then he just lifts. If the backswing wasn't causing the issue, OP wouldn't be here looking for advice. His first moves back will never allow the club to get in a good spot for consistent contact and power.

    If he tried doing what you suggest, he'd burying the club into the ground a good foot behind the ball.

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    Zbot,
    Some more FACTS for you — the Human brain is ONLY capable of organizing and performing ONE task in
    the 2/10 second allowed for the DOWNSWING. Even though you took an unorthodox route you finally pulled your shaft behind your torso and formed a necessary lever system between your arms and shaft . ( I don’t know why all this unnecessary rerouting when we ALL end up in approx. the same place.) BUT- it has worked for some players who ended up in the SAME PLACE.
    Now— you ONLY have 2/10 second to perform this important task called the DS and we know we don’t have time for our brain to rearrange and alter this DS. Therefore, since we ONLY have 2/10 second to perform this intended task we MUST PRE- PROGRAM it before we ever take our lever / shaft back.
    I would suggest you spend your penny on what really matters - THE DOWNSWING! Program this in you mind and force / teach your HANDS to perform this task that is - TOTALLY FOREIGN TO HUMAN GENETICS. That is - to PULL the HEEL of the club face into the INSIDE QUADRANT of the golf ball and understand that it is -
    The TURNING OF THE TORSO THAT SQUARES THE FACE AND PROVIDES POWER, NOT THE HANDS. Your intent is to HIT the back of the ball . Gotta change you thoughts !

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    On -, @laneholt said:

    I would suggest you spend your penny on what really matters - THE DOWNSWING! Program this in you mind and force / teach your HANDS to perform this task that is - TOTALLY FOREIGN TO HUMAN

    Laneholt- I hear what you're saying. But correcting this has been my focus for 3 years and it hasn't worked, so why not change the backswing when I'm fighting a position that makes it difficult, mentally or physically for me to get the club on plane? I know I throw the club out over the top and the start of the DS. I know my right hand pushes. This doesn't happen with a baseball bat, tennis racket, ax, or anything else.

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    Ok— I can’t explain but so much in trying to help you, but wrap your brain round this ——-
    Their is a DIRECT LINK between your brain and your RIGHT HAND ( assuming you are a rightie ) . Your brain ALWAYS knows where your extremities are. Approx. 80 % of you brain is DEDICATED to your right hand . It ties your shoes , takes food to your mouth, just to name a few of the millions of task it performs every second of your life. Your body will obey the commands of your hands without ever questioning their intent.
    SO— you have formed your lever behind you torso - and the moment of truth is coming —- your HANDS do what comes naturally and go out and around with the help of your right shoulder and the centrifugal force of PULLING the shaft down also forces your entire lever system out and OTT . Game over.
    Take your RIGHT HAND back behind you as if you were thumbing a ride ( or making a BS ) . You can do this with or without a club. If you rotate your right THUMB CCW you will notice your right elbow goes out away from your torso. Rotate it CW and keep it there during the entire DS ( right palm upward ). This forces your RIGHT elbow down by your RIGHT HIP AREA where it needs to be if you ever expect to PULL the face into the inside quadrant of the ball.
    You might want to observe ( look closely with out audio ) and you will see this in the great players of yesterday and today

    Try it and let me know.
    Lane

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Rich Text Editor. To edit a paragraph's style, hit tab to get to the paragraph menu. From there you will be able to pick one style. Nothing defaults to paragraph. An inline formatting menu will show up when you select text. Hit tab to get into that menu. Some elements, such as rich link embeds, images, loading indicators, and error messages may get inserted into the editor. You may navigate to these using the arrow keys inside of the editor and delete them with the delete or backspace key.