5somes

Why would a course have an issue with a 5 some playing if they are waiting for the group in front if them and no one behind them. we teed off as a 3 some and a 2 some and met on the 2nd hole. At hole 5 or 6 the marshal said we had to break up into are regular group . Didn't make sense since we're not holding anyone up and were waiting for the group in front of us which he clearly saw

Guess that course has a policy of no groups bigger than a foursome. We have some courses around here that don't care if you're not holding anybody up and others where it's strictly enforced. Just the rules.

> @lawsonman said:

> Guess that course has a policy of no groups bigger than a foursome. We have some courses around here that don't care if you're not holding anybody up and others where it's strictly enforced. Just the rules.

****This!∆****

> @Roman1274 said:

> Why would a course have an issue with a 5 some playing if they are waiting for the group in front if them and no one behind them. we teed off as a 3 some and a 2 some and met on the 2nd hole. At hole 5 or 6 the marshal said we had to break up into are regular group . Didn't make sense since we're not holding anyone up and were waiting for the group in front of us which he clearly saw

It sucks that the marshal broke up your group, but it may simply have been to make sure there wasn't a precedent set. Sure, there may not have been anyone behind you, but if the marshal didn't do anything, it would make it that much harder for the marshal to enforce the rule on a very busy day where a 5-some would be causing issues.

Maybe try playing at a different course? See if there's an Eyes Wide Golf near your. :D

Five is so ugly, four is often too many . . . threes and twos are just right.

Everyone has a cell phone. And "everyone" if they know the course has a no 5-some policy will phone it in. Every time. You can't selectively allow it, because it will turn into a problem for everyone other than the 5-some.

Are these groups of 3 and 2 that didn't already know each other?

If not, I guess no harm trying, but really can't complain about the course enforcing its rules.

It's a rule.

If they let someone play a fivesome today ... they'll come back next week on a busy day and say "well, so and so let us play a fivesome last week." And you'll say "we'd never do that." But somebody would.

Seeing a group on a particular hole is just a snapshot in time. Because you're waiting on hole 5 doesn't mean that by hole 13 you're not holding up half the course.

We play fivesomes quite often and never have a pace of play issue. We played a sevensome one time and still waited on a slow group.

Our club will allow fivesomes. The tee sheet website allows it. Usually not on a weekend morning, but still, you can see them on any given afternoon.

Every one of them will sit at the bar after their round and swear up and down that they don't hold up play. Every one of them is wrong.

This issue with fivesomes is just like issues with women playing in front of men or golfers playing from the tips when they shouldn't be. None of those issues matter. Why does anybody care how other groups play? or who they are? or what tee they play from?

If they are keeping pace, none of that matters. And it is very easy for a course to make golfers keep pace if they choose to.

> @Roadking2003 said:

> This issue with fivesomes is just like issues with women playing in front of men or golfers playing from the tips when they shouldn't be. None of those issues matter. Why does anybody care how other groups play? or who they are? or what tee they play from?

> If they are keeping pace, none of that matters. And it is very easy for a course to make golfers keep pace if they choose to.

This is true. Like you sadly I've been in 5somes that were pushing a 3some.

I don't care if someone else plays a 5, but I absolutley hate it. I never feel like I get in the proper rythem, and always feel rushed to stay ahead of the following group. We have one player in our group that is slow, and everyone else rushes to compensate for him. I usually play quickly, but I do not like to rush. I would rather not play than play 5.

Really don’t enjoy playing in a fivesome at all either even when the course is empty.

> @Roadking2003 said:

> This issue with fivesomes is just like issues with women playing in front of men or golfers playing from the tips when they shouldn't be. None of those issues matter. Why does anybody care how other groups play? or who they are? or what tee they play from?

> If they are keeping pace, none of that matters. And it is very easy for a course to make golfers keep pace if they choose to.

I think the issue is as you go up in people the likelihood of playing to pace gets worse and worse

A course that doesn't know these guys is better off assuming they won't keep pace than they will. Especially since around here anyways, most foursomes at public courses cannot even play in 4:15, which is the given target time at most courses

Because the “ were just as fast or faster “ 5 some does not exist.

> @MtlJeff said:

> > @Roadking2003 said:

> > This issue with fivesomes is just like issues with women playing in front of men or golfers playing from the tips when they shouldn't be. None of those issues matter. Why does anybody care how other groups play? or who they are? or what tee they play from?

> > If they are keeping pace, none of that matters. And it is very easy for a course to make golfers keep pace if they choose to.

>

> I think the issue is as you go up in people the likelihood of playing to pace gets worse and worse

That's why they have marshalls. Or should have. Pace of play is a problem that is easily solved.... if they want to.

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @MtlJeff said:

> > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > This issue with fivesomes is just like issues with women playing in front of men or golfers playing from the tips when they shouldn't be. None of those issues matter. Why does anybody care how other groups play? or who they are? or what tee they play from?

> > > If they are keeping pace, none of that matters. And it is very easy for a course to make golfers keep pace if they choose to.

> >

> > I think the issue is as you go up in people the likelihood of playing to pace gets worse and worse

> That's why they have marshalls. Or should have. Pace of play is a problem that is easily solved.... if they want to.

But what do you do if they are too slow? Kick them off the course? Marshalls can only do so much, no course wants to antogonize paying customers. That's probably why they just draw the line at 4

I'm sure there's 6-somes out there that can play in 4:15, but more often than not one will probably play in 5:15

Rules tend to be based on averages not outliers

If keeping up with group ahead or waiting on them, I have no issues with that. We're third off the box Sunday mornings, group ahead of us is a regular fivesome with one guy in a Hdcp flagged cart, we never see them past the second hole. This time it's not how many but how.

It’s the optics. It seems offensive to play a slow pace of play course and then see they care so little about pace of play that they allow five-somes.

5somes represent uncultured golfers. Sort of redneckish to me.

I played as a 5 both days this weekends

Pushing group in front of us and group behind us miles back both days

Private course and paths only

Ready golf ... some can and some can't

5 man wolf is awesome

> @cardoustie said:

> I played as a 5 both days this weekends

> Pushing group in front of us and group behind us miles back both days

> Private course and paths only

> Ready golf ... some can and some can't

> 5 man wolf is awesome

I’ve played 5 as well before. But each time our combined handicap was less than 4 So yes. It can be done. But. And a huge BUT. Most 5 somes have a combined handicap around 45-60. No way in warty they can keep up if they putt out. Not possible.

Sometimes it's not the overall keeping up with the group in front. I've seen plenty of five somes keep up generally. But when they get to the green and 4 of them have to chip on, then 10 to 12 putts it gets stupid. The time in the green is way too long and the group behind is twiddling their thumbs. Then yes, as you tee off the 5 some is fine then again it slows to a crawl in the green.

I don't like playing in 5 somes. I've headed to the range a few times when we ended up with an extra.

> @bladehunter said:

> > @cardoustie said:

> > I played as a 5 both days this weekends

> > Pushing group in front of us and group behind us miles back both days

> > Private course and paths only

> > Ready golf ... some can and some can't

> > 5 man wolf is awesome

>

> I’ve played 5 as well before. But each time our combined handicap was less than 4 So yes. It can be done. But. And a huge BUT. Most 5 somes have a combined handicap around 45-60. No way in warty they can keep up if they putt out. Not possible.

I disagree on the cap observation. Yesterday we were 0, 3, 5, 12, 17. We all putted out. Played in 4:10

It's about ready golf. Taking extra clubs and chatting when its time to chat.

I know many 2's that are way slower than 20 cappers

> @cardoustie said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @cardoustie said:

> > > I played as a 5 both days this weekends

> > > Pushing group in front of us and group behind us miles back both days

> > > Private course and paths only

> > > Ready golf ... some can and some can't

> > > 5 man wolf is awesome

> >

> > I’ve played 5 as well before. But each time our combined handicap was less than 4 So yes. It can be done. But. And a huge BUT. Most 5 somes have a combined handicap around 45-60. No way in warty they can keep up if they putt out. Not possible.

> I disagree on the cap observation. Yesterday we were 0, 3, 5, 12, 17. We all putted out. Played in 4:10

> It's about ready golf. Taking extra clubs and chatting when its time to chat.

> I know many 2's that are way slower than 20 cappers

>

>

Slower total or slower per shot? Or appear slower ? A 20 cap shooting say 90 and a 2 shooting say 75. There’s no way on earth the 20 is faster unless he runs to every shot , doesn’t say a word and doesn’t stop at the turn. Just Math. If a group of 4 hits the ball 288 times collectively and doesn’t lose a ball it’s going to be much faster that a group of 4 who hits it 360 times and let’s say searches for 5 balls total ( being very kind ).

410 at my course is 25 minutes slow So maybe that’s the disconnect.

I get what you’re saying. And outliers exist on both sides. But overall a 5 some on a course that has other play front and back on it. Is a holdup. Even if they keep up. The 3/4 some behind them is waiting longer for them to putt on every green.

Blade I see very VERY deliberate 2's and 20's that hit within 20 seconds. I've played with 20's I couldn't keep up with walking.

I'm shooting low 70's to them ~ 100

> @bladehunter said:

> > @cardoustie said:

> > I played as a 5 both days this weekends

> > Pushing group in front of us and group behind us miles back both days

> > Private course and paths only

> > Ready golf ... some can and some can't

> > 5 man wolf is awesome

>

> I’ve played 5 as well before. But each time our combined handicap was less than 4 So yes. It can be done. But. And a huge BUT. Most 5 somes have a combined handicap around 45-60. No way in warty they can keep up if they putt out. Not possible.

I don't think a high handicap makes a person slow and vice versa. Slow players are just slow.

> @bladehunter said:

> Slower total or slower per shot? Or appear slower ? A 20 cap shooting say 90 and a 2 shooting say 75. There’s no way on earth the 20 is faster unless he runs to every shot , doesn’t say a word and doesn’t stop at the turn. Just Math. If a group of 4 hits the ball 288 times collectively and doesn’t lose a ball it’s going to be much faster that a group of 4 who hits it 360 times and let’s say searches for 5 balls total ( being very kind ).

The time it takes to prepare and hit a shot is a tiny part of the total elapsed time.

Consider this; Assume it takes 30 seconds for all tee shots and 2nd shots on par 4s and 3rd shots on par fives. Then 30 seconds for chips and pitches. Then 30 seconds for first putts and 15 seconds for other putts. This can easily be done without rushing if you play smart and ready golf.

That's a total of 39 minutes.