M2 2016 More Forgiving Replacement?

Anyone used/gamed this club in the past and has now switched to a more forgiving driver? I have on and off days with this driver, but looking for something that is noticeably more forgiving. Any suggestions?

G400 Max

M4 is more forgiving for me.

I have always felt this way about the M2 also.... I wanted to like it as much as everyone else, but was just very inconsistent. My buddy still plays one and bombs it... I don't know if anything will be as long, but the Ping drivers will be more forgiving... I also find my ST190 to be more forgiving, has knocked my G400 out of the bag. I am curious about the '17 M2 and what anyone has to say about it.. I hit it the other day and it seems to be pretty forgiving as well.

> @Nixhex524 said:

> I have always felt this way about the M2 also.... I wanted to like it as much as everyone else, but was just very inconsistent. My buddy still plays one and bombs it... I don't know if anything will be as long, but the Ping drivers will be more forgiving... I also find my ST190 to be more forgiving, has knocked my G400 out of the bag. I am curious about the '17 M2 and what anyone has to say about it.. I hit it the other day and it seems to be pretty forgiving as well.

I've heard a lot of good things about the ST190 driver... what was better about it? I tried the 2017 M2 driver, but I didn't notice enough to justify a switch...also didn't care for the sound on the 2017 version, much louder. I've really been thinking about the G400, but the Ping sound...so loud...worth the forgiveness?

> @sh9109 said:

> > @Nixhex524 said:

> > I have always felt this way about the M2 also.... I wanted to like it as much as everyone else, but was just very inconsistent. My buddy still plays one and bombs it... I don't know if anything will be as long, but the Ping drivers will be more forgiving... I also find my ST190 to be more forgiving, has knocked my G400 out of the bag. I am curious about the '17 M2 and what anyone has to say about it.. I hit it the other day and it seems to be pretty forgiving as well.

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> I've heard a lot of good things about the ST190 driver... what was better about it? I tried the 2017 M2 driver, but I didn't notice enough to justify a switch...also didn't care for the sound on the 2017 version, much louder. I've really been thinking about the G400, but the Ping sound...so loud...worth the forgiveness?

The G400 Max is louder but the regular G400 is much more muted (and LST). Great drivers... The St190 ticks all the boxes for me, looks, sound, feel, forgiveness, performance... It really should not be overlooked. It may not be for everyone, but It is working well for me and I am scoring better than I have in a long time with it in the bag. The G400 Max is tough to beat in the forgiveness category but you have to be okay with the sound... it's really not that bad and much less so when you are just piping drives down the middle.

Epic Flash

I don't have data to support, but picked up the 2017 M2 recently and am really enjoying having it. It looks great, misses appear do not appear to be punished very badly, and on course distance is good. I can't compare against 2016 M2.

I had the 16 m2 and moved onto the 17 m2 with a hzrdus yellow for 2 seasons. Recently picked up a g400 max with the tour shaft and have been markedly better with it. It takes a horrible to swing for the big miss to show itself. Instead of flirting with the trees like I did with my M2 when my swing was off I'm usually just a few yards off the fairway...oh yea and it's just as long as my M2 was.

I noticed in your signature that you play your M2 at 43.5", I assume you've added weight to compensate for the shorter length. If so, where have you placed it and how much? Driver forgiveness is predicated purely on weight placement and you could potentially achieve significant forgiveness gains/losses based on that.

> @Valtiel said:

> I noticed in your signature that you play your M2 at 43.5", I assume you've added weight to compensate for the shorter length. If so, where have you placed it and how much? Driver forgiveness is predicated purely on weight placement and you could potentially achieve significant forgiveness gains/losses based on that.

I played around with adding weight at different places, but as of now, I have 12 grams added to the butt of the club. Do you have different suggestions for where I should add weight?

> @sh9109 said:

> > @Valtiel said:

> > I noticed in your signature that you play your M2 at 43.5", I assume you've added weight to compensate for the shorter length. If so, where have you placed it and how much? Driver forgiveness is predicated purely on weight placement and you could potentially achieve significant forgiveness gains/losses based on that.

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> I played around with adding weight at different places, but as of now, I have 12 grams added to the butt of the club. Do you have different suggestions for where I should add weight?

Interesting, so you shortened it and then counter weighted it as well? That must be a very interesting feeling club. My suggestion would change that drastically however so take it with a grain of salt.

If the driver started out at lets say, D2 @45" then taking off 1.5" would subtract 9 swing weight points. To get back to D2 in that case, you could add around 15g of weight to the head. Now this comes down to personal preference, but adding weight to the back of the club would increase MOI and forgiveness. Any time a company claims that their new driver is more forgiving than the previous model, that is what they have done, simply reallocate some weight rearward. Taylormade has been doing this with each successive M-series driver, and adding anywhere from 10-15g via aftermarket M2 Tungsten weights would be very similar. Adding that much weight would push the M2 into the realm of the Ping LST drivers roughly. Currently a stock M2 sits around the same forgiveness range as most TItleist drivers and the more weight you can add to the back of the head, the more forgiveness.

The M2 was hard to keep out of my bag.

I went M2 to Ping G400 to M2 to M3 to M2 to Mizuno ST190 and stopped. The M2 finally left the bag and the house.

I had never hit a Mizuno driver I liked, but this one won me over first swing.

> @rxk9fan said:

> The M2 was hard to keep out of my bag.

> I went M2 to Ping G400 to M2 to M3 to M2 to Mizuno ST190 and stopped. The M2 finally left the bag and the house.

> I had never hit a Mizuno driver I liked, but this one won me over first swing.

I'm planning on going down the same route. When i'm back home later this year, the ST-190 is going in the bag and i'm going to throw everything at it to see if it holds up. It really looks like a winner though.

> @sh9109 said:

> I played around with adding weight at different places, but as of now, I have 12 grams added to the butt of the club. Do you have different suggestions for where I should add weight?

You can buy aftermarket heavier weights for the M2 to increase the SW. It's been brought up many times.

> @rxk9fan said:

> The M2 was hard to keep out of my bag.

> I went M2 to Ping G400 to M2 to M3 to M2 to Mizuno ST190 and stopped. The M2 finally left the bag and the house.

> I had never hit a Mizuno driver I liked, but this one won me over first swing.

Went M2 to G400 LST to the ST190. The choice was easy.

m6 is more forgiving, combined with the pro orange it's nice, I had the m2 2016, m2-17 -m3 and now this, and this is better.

Both generations of M2 were pretty darn forgiving. Maybe a few lessons instead of a new driver? Whatever you get now is going to be minimum at best.

2017 M2 was better for me in both distance and dispersion. To me has a better feel and sound as well. Still playing it as well !!!!

My driving improved a ton once I replaced my ‘16 M2 with the ‘17 M2. I was wildly inconsistent with the ‘16.

2017 M2 was a hook machine for me. It has a more upright or tie up lie angle than the 2016 M2. The M4 felt horrible to me. Yet to try the M6, but I know it’s not going to magically add 10+ yards of distance and be way more forgiving so to me it’s not worth the money. IMO the 2016 M2 is the most solid performing and best feeling driver TM has ever produced. I have literally hit drives with my M2 that amaze me how long they went.

2016 M2 9.5 loft w/Diamana D+ 70 stiff playing at 45”. Have not found anything that can kick it out of the bag.

> @Valtiel said:

> > @sh9109 said:

> > > @Valtiel said:

> > > I noticed in your signature that you play your M2 at 43.5", I assume you've added weight to compensate for the shorter length. If so, where have you placed it and how much? Driver forgiveness is predicated purely on weight placement and you could potentially achieve significant forgiveness gains/losses based on that.

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> > I played around with adding weight at different places, but as of now, I have 12 grams added to the butt of the club. Do you have different suggestions for where I should add weight?

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> Interesting, so you shortened it and then counter weighted it as well? That must be a very interesting feeling club. My suggestion would change that drastically however so take it with a grain of salt.

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> If the driver started out at lets say, D2 @45" then taking off 1.5" would subtract 9 swing weight points. To get back to D2 in that case, you could add around 15g of weight to the head. Now this comes down to personal preference, but adding weight to the back of the club would increase MOI and forgiveness. Any time a company claims that their new driver is more forgiving than the previous model, that is what they have done, simply reallocate some weight rearward. Taylormade has been doing this with each successive M-series driver, and adding anywhere from 10-15g via aftermarket M2 Tungsten weights would be very similar. Adding that much weight would push the M2 into the realm of the Ping LST drivers roughly. Currently a stock M2 sits around the same forgiveness range as most TItleist drivers and the more weight you can add to the back of the head, the more forgiveness.

I'm sorry, I didnt specify, when I meant butt of my club (back of the head), I meant the back end of my driver head, not the shaft.

> @rxk9fan said:

> The M2 was hard to keep out of my bag.

> I went M2 to Ping G400 to M2 to M3 to M2 to Mizuno ST190 and stopped. The M2 finally left the bag and the house.

> I had never hit a Mizuno driver I liked, but this one won me over first swing.

I keep hearing about this Mizuno driver. I went out and hit one this weekend. I was surprised how it kept its distance on low strikes. Spin was a little high, but I assume I can fix that once I get fitted properly with the right shaft. Also, the dispersion wasn't great, but I feel like switching the settings can help that. Feels amazing tho.

Distance wise, nothing can touch the 16M2 in my opinion. I still have mine and will have it forever. My problem with the M2 was the "big" miss always seemed to be in play if I got lazy with the swing. I realize that is more the indian than the arrow, but the M5 switch seems to have limited the big misses.

M5 I find to be a lot more forgiving and it can be adjusted to compensate for your most common miss. M5 feels like every hit is in the sweetspot, takes a real bad swing to have that "miss" feeling with this club. Launches a bit higher for me, but seems to do an excellent job of keeping spin in-check. Best feeling and sounding driver I've ever owned.

> @sh9109 said:

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> > @Valtiel said:

> > > @sh9109 said:

> > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > I noticed in your signature that you play your M2 at 43.5", I assume you've added weight to compensate for the shorter length. If so, where have you placed it and how much? Driver forgiveness is predicated purely on weight placement and you could potentially achieve significant forgiveness gains/losses based on that.

> > >

> > > I played around with adding weight at different places, but as of now, I have 12 grams added to the butt of the club. Do you have different suggestions for where I should add weight?

> >

> > Interesting, so you shortened it and then counter weighted it as well? That must be a very interesting feeling club. My suggestion would change that drastically however so take it with a grain of salt.

> >

> > If the driver started out at lets say, D2 @45" then taking off 1.5" would subtract 9 swing weight points. To get back to D2 in that case, you could add around 15g of weight to the head. Now this comes down to personal preference, but adding weight to the back of the club would increase MOI and forgiveness. Any time a company claims that their new driver is more forgiving than the previous model, that is what they have done, simply reallocate some weight rearward. Taylormade has been doing this with each successive M-series driver, and adding anywhere from 10-15g via aftermarket M2 Tungsten weights would be very similar. Adding that much weight would push the M2 into the realm of the Ping LST drivers roughly. Currently a stock M2 sits around the same forgiveness range as most TItleist drivers and the more weight you can add to the back of the head, the more forgiveness.

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> I'm sorry, I didnt specify, when I meant butt of my club (back of the head), I meant the back end of my driver head, not the shaft.

Ahhh gotcha, that makes a lot more sense, hah! 12g would add a bit of forgiveness for sure. If you want more forgiving honestly you'd have to jump to something like a G400 or G400 Max. The 2016 M2 is not unforgiving when compared to others, and with extra weight in the back like that it would be considered to be more forgiving than most. What specifically is your miss that you want extra help with?

M4 is more forgiving and straight as a arrow. Just can’t shape shot like the m2. M2 I hit little draws when wanted, baby fades when wanted. The m4 is straight and more forgiving with dead straight ball flight sometimes babyfade. Can’t really draw the ball unless I really try. I usually draw the ball with my normal ball flight. Still rolling with 2016 m2, m4 is on the sidelines

You probably need lessons, change the swing not the equipment

Oh god 1 of those guys

M6 is very forgiving. But I would say, G400 max is still king of forgiveness.

> @Valtiel said:

> > @sh9109 said:

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> > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > @sh9109 said:

> > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > I noticed in your signature that you play your M2 at 43.5", I assume you've added weight to compensate for the shorter length. If so, where have you placed it and how much? Driver forgiveness is predicated purely on weight placement and you could potentially achieve significant forgiveness gains/losses based on that.

> > > >

> > > > I played around with adding weight at different places, but as of now, I have 12 grams added to the butt of the club. Do you have different suggestions for where I should add weight?

> > >

> > > Interesting, so you shortened it and then counter weighted it as well? That must be a very interesting feeling club. My suggestion would change that drastically however so take it with a grain of salt.

> > >

> > > If the driver started out at lets say, D2 @45" then taking off 1.5" would subtract 9 swing weight points. To get back to D2 in that case, you could add around 15g of weight to the head. Now this comes down to personal preference, but adding weight to the back of the club would increase MOI and forgiveness. Any time a company claims that their new driver is more forgiving than the previous model, that is what they have done, simply reallocate some weight rearward. Taylormade has been doing this with each successive M-series driver, and adding anywhere from 10-15g via aftermarket M2 Tungsten weights would be very similar. Adding that much weight would push the M2 into the realm of the Ping LST drivers roughly. Currently a stock M2 sits around the same forgiveness range as most TItleist drivers and the more weight you can add to the back of the head, the more forgiveness.

> >

> > I'm sorry, I didnt specify, when I meant butt of my club (back of the head), I meant the back end of my driver head, not the shaft.

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> Ahhh gotcha, that makes a lot more sense, hah! 12g would add a bit of forgiveness for sure. If you want more forgiving honestly you'd have to jump to something like a G400 or G400 Max. The 2016 M2 is not unforgiving when compared to others, and with extra weight in the back like that it would be considered to be more forgiving than most. What specifically is your miss that you want extra help with?

The problem i had with adding the weight to the back of the head was that my spin numbers were too high. I tried different shafts too, but nothing enough to warrant a change. my misses are usually right and on normal/good days, i hit a decent sized fade. however, when its not clicking, it turns into a fat slice. (higher swing speed so bigger misses). i toyed around with added lead tape to the right side of my driver so it shuts the club more at impact, but hard to get used to that feel.

> @kiw1982 said:

> M6 is very forgiving. But I would say, G400 max is still king of forgiveness.

seems like so many people are using the mizuno st180 or 190...