Low hdcp going to GI irons

jasonTeI3jasonTeI3 Members Posts: 604 ✭✭

I’m really thinking of going to some Ping G400 irons and venturing in to the GI irons for the first time. I’m a pretty good player and usually have a great irons game but not playing as much and thinking this would help. Obviously this topic has been brought up a million times but my question is has anyone gone this route and regretted it instantly? I’m a bit of a sweeper and am scared of the wide soles. I have hit the G400’s quite a bit in a simulator and couldn’t not hit one straight. It almost seemed like cheating but I have no idea what that’s going to equate to on the course. Also this would be my first non forged iron maybe ever. I’ve played a bunch of different blades and current set are J40 cb’s. Anyone want to talk me off this cliff before I spend $700?

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  • balls_deepballs_deep Members Posts: 699 ✭✭

    My first thought is to say don't do it.. but then if you've hit them, liked them, and the numbers were right it could be a good option. A friend I play with uses G400 and they have too much offset for my liking. I also don't like that you can see the cavity on the 4 and 5 iron. Top line is actually very nice for a SGI iron. I just read the Ping Blueprint article on Golf Digest where they were talking about how some players hit small heads better. I definitely fall into that category. That said, I just ordered a set of i210 to try as I had really good luck with the i200 and should never have sold them. Have you tried the newer i series? IMO it's GI help in a players look with an acceptable sole width. Long story short though - if you felt comfortable and the fit was right why not try them? If you don't work the ball a ton I don't see any issue with it. High and straight is a good way to go!

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  • BadshaftBadshaft Members Posts: 137 ✭✭
    edited May 21, 2019 1:18am #3

    Everyone has a preference - But If you already have a lot of back spin you will generate even more with SGI's...
    SGI large offsets and very low center of Gravity never worked with my game. If you like to work the ball a little at all, it is more difficult with SGI's -
    They are made to keep the ball flight more straight-

  • MTgolfMTgolf Members Posts: 51 ✭✭

    I was in the same boat a couple of years ago when I ventured from blades to the taylormade rocketbladez. I played them close to a year and while it was fun to hit 8 iron 170, I'm right back to the blades. I couldn't get the wide sole through the rough and had some gapping issues, felt like I had 25 yard gap between 9 & 8 iron. All of that being said, they were fun to play and flew dead straight. Still carry the 3 iron as a "driving" iron. It is all down to personal preference. If you got the funds, give it a go!!

  • balls_deepballs_deep Members Posts: 699 ✭✭

    @MTgolf said:
    I was in the same boat a couple of years ago when I ventured from blades to the taylormade rocketbladez. I played them close to a year and while it was fun to hit 8 iron 170, I'm right back to the blades. I couldn't get the wide sole through the rough and had some gapping issues, felt like I had 25 yard gap between 9 & 8 iron. All of that being said, they were fun to play and flew dead straight. Still carry the 3 iron as a "driving" iron. It is all down to personal preference. If you got the funds, give it a go!!

    I find it insane that people chase distance in irons. I'm hitting mine too far right now and going over greens drives me NUTS. I would make sure the spin is fine with the G400.

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  • Ri_RedneckRi_Redneck Leather for Life!! Members Posts: 5,479 ✭✭

    If you don't give them a try, it will be in the back of your mind forever that you're leaving strokes on the course. Try 'em and see if they work.

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  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Members Posts: 12,023 ✭✭

    Hit them off grass first, fairways and rough

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  • farmerfarmer Members Posts: 7,894 ✭✭

    The worst thing that can happen is you won't like them, decide to sell them and get a good chunk of the purchase price back. Not a bad outcome for a worst case scenario.

  • nsxguynsxguy Just anudder user FloridaMembers Posts: 5,780 ✭✭

    What cardoustie said - if you can of course.

    I can sweep my G20s. Shallow to no divots. If you've seen them they have a very deep sole and, like most Ping irons, have a fair bit of bounce.

    @jasonTeI3 - Less skilled players, hitting off mats, either indoor or out often get some help (bounce) for their "fat" shots masking the "fat" part. As an accomplished player you should be able to tell the difference. If you can sweep them in the sim you should be able to sweep them off grass.


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  • agolf1agolf1 Members Posts: 986 ✭✭

    I used to play Wilson forged irons when I was a kid. I got back into the game after a long break and played them for a year. I was going to get a new set of AP2s or X-Forged and ended up getting a set of G25s. I'm in the minority but I don't mind the offset, and I don't mind hitting (or at least attempting to hit) straight shots.

    Currently, I live where it rains year-round and the turf is usually pretty soft. So having the wide sole of the Ping's doesn't seem to impact much. I did play with these irons for a few months on firmer courses. I do want to say that I think the irons are a bit easier to hit now. I don't know if this is really true (higher CG, easier to hit down on soft turf, etc) or if I have just convinced myself of that after reading a lot of stuff here. It's not like I couldn't hit the Ping's on the firm turf, but I do feel like they play a little better where I am at now.

    I'd say give the G400s a try for a year but I am biased in favor of these types of irons.

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  • BiggErnBiggErn Members Posts: 2,353 ✭✭

    I don’t get the sweeper/digger thing. If you’re a good ball striker you can hit anything. I have P790s but contemplated the G400s when I bought new irons. Like you I don’t practice a lot so some forgiveness was definitely a priority when I bought new irons. I love the P790s but the G400s are still in the back of mind.

  • NRJyzrNRJyzr Allez Allez Allez Minnesota, USAMembers Posts: 6,354 ✭✭
    edited May 21, 2019 1:14pm #15

    @balls_deep said:

    @Badshaft said:
    Everyone has a preference - But If you already have a lot of back spin you will generate even more with SGI's...
    SGI large offsets and very low center of Gravity never worked with my game. If you like to work the ball a little at all, it is more difficult with SGI's -
    They are made to keep the ball flight more straight-

    They definitely don't spin more. They spin less. Which is also why it's harder to work the ball.

    Not only that, but generally speaking, they don't have very low CGs. In fact, they tend to be higher CG, though again, that's "generally speaking." (G400 CG is .819", Ping's most bladelike design pre-Blueprint, the S59, has a CG of .742")

    To the OP's point, IMHO, you'll never know until you try, whether that be some form of demo or actually playing them several times on course. Tech can help with respect to launch conditions.

    Don't be surprised if it really doesn't affect your scores much, if at all. I switched from blades to Eye2+ for a full calendar year, it helped my wind play considerably through lower spin (even with increased height), but the scores were largely the same.

    Choosing clubs to play is a combination of confidence, ability to hit a ball, swing type, and launch conditions. In a variable order, and not always the same order each time. :)

    edited to add: speaking specifically to the G400... not a fan of the loft progression. 5* gaps in the short irons just so you can hit your 6 iron really far is seriously goofy. If you have a moderately high swingspeed, those 5* gaps could cause some gap issues at that lower end of the bag. IMHO, of course.

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  • balls_deepballs_deep Members Posts: 699 ✭✭

    @NRJyzr said:

    @balls_deep said:

    @Badshaft said:
    Everyone has a preference - But If you already have a lot of back spin you will generate even more with SGI's...
    SGI large offsets and very low center of Gravity never worked with my game. If you like to work the ball a little at all, it is more difficult with SGI's -
    They are made to keep the ball flight more straight-

    They definitely don't spin more. They spin less. Which is also why it's harder to work the ball.

    Not only that, but generally speaking, they don't have very low CGs. In fact, they tend to be higher CG, though again, that's "generally speaking." (G400 CG is .819", Ping's most bladelike design pre-Blueprint, the S59, has a CG of .742")

    To the OP's point, IMHO, you'll never know until you try, whether that be some form of demo or actually playing them several times on course. Tech can help with respect to launch conditions.

    Don't be surprised if it really doesn't affect your scores much, if at all. I switched from blades to Eye2+ for a full calendar year, it helped my wind play considerably through lower spin (even with increased height), but the scores were largely the same.

    Choosing clubs to play is a combination of confidence, ability to hit a ball, swing type, and launch conditions. In a variable order, and not always the same order each time. :)

    edited to add: speaking specifically to the G400... not a fan of the loft progression. 5* gaps in the short irons just so you can hit your 6 iron really far is seriously goofy. If you have a moderately high swingspeed, those 5* gaps could cause some gap issues at that lower end of the bag. IMHO, of course.

    Not only that but they lengthen the 4-6 iron an extra 1/8 inch for extra distance as well. My friend uses them and the things are cannons. It's a bit silly. He's a good player and switched from blades to these and I see him fat the ball more than he used to. Could be the wider sole getting in the way. Personally I think the i210 is plenty GI.

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  • nsxguynsxguy Just anudder user FloridaMembers Posts: 5,780 ✭✭

    @BiggErn said:
    I don’t get the sweeper/digger thing. If you’re a good ball striker you can hit anything. I have P790s but contemplated the G400s when I bought new irons. Like you I don’t practice a lot so some forgiveness was definitely a priority when I bought new irons. I love the P790s but the G400s are still in the back of mind.

    Like many (most ?) things "golf" there are degrees of difficulty, sometimes very slender. And yes, a good ball striker will be less affected as they are far more likely not to make the "mistake".

    The way I see it, on normal or damp ground a sweeper has no issues. Neither does a digger. However, a swing that would easily go through the grass, and even ever-so-slightly, the ground and produce an acceptable result may, on very firm ground, bounce up off the ground into the back of the ball and blade it who knows where ?

    Player's clubs usually have a slim sole (front to back) and very little bounce. In general, "players" sweep their irons shots, especially with the longer/mid irons, more so than higher handicappers.

    The more GI the club, again, in general, the deeper the sole and the higher the bounce. This (in addition to providing a bit of extra launch and forgiveness) helps a lesser skilled player to "get away with" ever-so-slight turf contact on a fat shot.

    Differences are, of course, rather small but in my experience they are real.


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  • BiggErnBiggErn Members Posts: 2,353 ✭✭

    @nsxguy said:

    @BiggErn said:
    I don’t get the sweeper/digger thing. If you’re a good ball striker you can hit anything. I have P790s but contemplated the G400s when I bought new irons. Like you I don’t practice a lot so some forgiveness was definitely a priority when I bought new irons. I love the P790s but the G400s are still in the back of mind.

    Like many (most ?) things "golf" there are degrees of difficulty, sometimes very slender. And yes, a good ball striker will be less affected as they are far more likely not to make the "mistake".

    The way I see it, on normal or damp ground a sweeper has no issues. Neither does a digger. However, a swing that would easily go through the grass, and even ever-so-slightly, the ground and produce an acceptable result may, on very firm ground, bounce up off the ground into the back of the ball and blade it who knows where ?

    Player's clubs usually have a slim sole (front to back) and very little bounce. In general, "players" sweep their irons shots, especially with the longer/mid irons, more so than higher handicappers.

    The more GI the club, again, in general, the deeper the sole and the higher the bounce. This (in addition to providing a bit of extra launch and forgiveness) helps a lesser skilled player to "get away with" ever-so-slight turf contact on a fat shot.

    Differences are, of course, rather small but in my experience they are real.

    I view “bounce” as a term used to describe the sole and not necessarily what the club will do. In extreme cases maybe but on SLIGHT mishits I find extra bounce will glide rather than rebound off the turf.

  • bladehunterbladehunter Rain rain go the hell away ! south carolinaMembers Posts: 26,643 ✭✭

    @BiggErn said:
    I don’t get the sweeper/digger thing. If you’re a good ball striker you can hit anything. I have P790s but contemplated the G400s when I bought new irons. Like you I don’t practice a lot so some forgiveness was definitely a priority when I bought new irons. I love the P790s but the G400s are still in the back of mind.

    Flip it around. Why don’t you play a thin soled iron ? Low bounce wedges etc ?

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  • BiggErnBiggErn Members Posts: 2,353 ✭✭

    @bladehunter said:

    @BiggErn said:
    I don’t get the sweeper/digger thing. If you’re a good ball striker you can hit anything. I have P790s but contemplated the G400s when I bought new irons. Like you I don’t practice a lot so some forgiveness was definitely a priority when I bought new irons. I love the P790s but the G400s are still in the back of mind.

    Flip it around. Why don’t you play a thin soled iron ? Low bounce wedges etc ?

    Because a wider sole is more forgiving on slight mishits from any lie.

  • bladehunterbladehunter Rain rain go the hell away ! south carolinaMembers Posts: 26,643 ✭✭
    edited May 21, 2019 4:50pm #21

    @BiggErn said:

    @bladehunter said:

    @BiggErn said:
    I don’t get the sweeper/digger thing. If you’re a good ball striker you can hit anything. I have P790s but contemplated the G400s when I bought new irons. Like you I don’t practice a lot so some forgiveness was definitely a priority when I bought new irons. I love the P790s but the G400s are still in the back of mind.

    Flip it around. Why don’t you play a thin soled iron ? Low bounce wedges etc ?

    Because a wider sole is more forgiving on slight mishits from any lie.

    Unless you’re a picker and need to cut a shallow but sharp divot to get the club to the equator of the ball. Next time I’m on course I’m going to take a pic of the difference in divots I’m talking about. One is sharp and even. The one with i500 ( wide sole “ is shallower and jagged , very much just a scrape or disturbance in the grass.

    I agree that any iron will work in wet conditions. But take our concrete conditions now. I have a hard time making solid strikes with the i500. I went back to my old worn out set of MBs and my scoring average dropped 3 shots in 4 weeks.

    It may matter less of it may matter that the sole is wide if you’re a digger. If you take big pelts even in dry conditions , I get that too. But you have to get that the inverse is a real thing as well. Since most of my Competition rounds are during our dry summers it just makes sense to play the odds.

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  • rainkingjrrainkingjr Members Posts: 2,592 ✭✭

    Find a set somewhere with a playability program. I know quite a few folks on here were loving the G25s when they came out.

  • RacineBoxerRacineBoxer Members Posts: 838 ✭✭

    @balls_deep said:
    Not only that but they lengthen the 4-6 iron an extra 1/8 inch for extra distance as well. My friend uses them and the things are cannons. It's a bit silly. He's a good player and switched from blades to these and I see him fat the ball more than he used to. Could be the wider sole getting in the way. Personally I think the i210 is plenty GI.

    Well... 90%+ of golfers in the GI category struggle with getting a full 12-15 yards separation between their 4-5-6 irons. I know I do (or did). Setting the clubs up to give more of a gap on that end is exactly what a GI club should do. Ping should be commended for being smart. I swing driver around 100-105, play to a 6 handicap, and have about 13-15 yards between my 5 and 6 iron. Essentially perfect IMO. For the first time (this year) I'm gaming a hybrid. My 5 iron is 200-205 and my 4 hybrid is 215-220. No gaping issues anywhere from 5 iron to U-wedge with my G400's and I've never heard of anyone complaining about that. U is 120, PW is 135 and 9 iron is 150. Again, right where I want them.

  • Dash BoogieDash Boogie Hole in Three Members Posts: 137 ✭✭

    I am a sweeper myself. I currently switch between Mizuno 900 HM with Nippon Modus 105 R shafts and Taylormade P790 Mitsubishi OT 105 Stiff shafts. With final scoring totals being roughly the same, I get more pars playing the Mizunos and I get more birdies playing the Taylormades. For my next set I will probably get a mixed set of Mizuno HMs and forged.

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  • hammergolfhammergolf St. LouisMembers Posts: 100 ✭✭

    I've been playing Ping G25's for 6 years. Still can't find anything I like better. I can hit any shot I need to whether it's my stock draw, fade, high, or low. And when I hit it a little thin or on the toe it still lands on the green. My thought is why play golf with a club that will punish you for mishit when you can play one that will help you.

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  • edgeratedgerat ClubWRX Posts: 237 ClubWRX

    If you match up loft for loft the "GI" irons aren't any better in terms or height or anything really. They take away a ton of spin from the ball. Spend $700 on lessons? Just me but I cannot stand to look down at a HUGE head next to the ball.

  • kcstockkcstock Members Posts: 14 ✭✭

    I agree with the previous poster, if you don't try them you will be thinking about it for a long time. I bet you can find some used on the forum or eBay. then its less of a risk.
    if you love them you can always go buy new ones to keep, and sell your used set again for a small loss (or maybe a profit).

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  • azoneazone Members Posts: 708 ✭✭

    Everyone has an opinion, here is mine. If you are/have been a good ball striker with a sound mental game, your mind will keep writing checks your body may not be able to cash as you get older or don't practice enough. Those "ugly" forgiving irons look beautiful when a miss ends up on the green and you are putting-- not in rough or deep in a short side bunker. Those irons won't be AS ACCURATE as, say, a blade, BUT if you aren't as dependable as in the past, your results will be better. I used to keep two sets of blueprinted irons; blades for practice and CB for play. I play with guys that have cashed checks playing...and they dont care how ugly the iron is.

  • BiggErnBiggErn Members Posts: 2,353 ✭✭

    @bladehunter said:

    @BiggErn said:

    @bladehunter said:

    @BiggErn said:
    I don’t get the sweeper/digger thing. If you’re a good ball striker you can hit anything. I have P790s but contemplated the G400s when I bought new irons. Like you I don’t practice a lot so some forgiveness was definitely a priority when I bought new irons. I love the P790s but the G400s are still in the back of mind.

    Flip it around. Why don’t you play a thin soled iron ? Low bounce wedges etc ?

    Because a wider sole is more forgiving on slight mishits from any lie.

    Unless you’re a picker and need to cut a shallow but sharp divot to get the club to the equator of the ball. Next time I’m on course I’m going to take a pic of the difference in divots I’m talking about. One is sharp and even. The one with i500 ( wide sole “ is shallower and jagged , very much just a scrape or disturbance in the grass.

    I agree that any iron will work in wet conditions. But take our concrete conditions now. I have a hard time making solid strikes with the i500. I went back to my old worn out set of MBs and my scoring average dropped 3 shots in 4 weeks.

    It may matter less of it may matter that the sole is wide if you’re a digger. If you take big pelts even in dry conditions , I get that too. But you have to get that the inverse is a real thing as well. Since most of my Competition rounds are during our dry summers it just makes sense to play the odds.

    I don’t think it’s quite that complex, jmo. I hit some of my most solid shots from almost bare lies. I also don’t take much of a divot regardless of the club type. The lie in itself dictates a lot and how you’re gonna play a shot regardless of the club.

  • jasonTeI3jasonTeI3 Members Posts: 604 ✭✭

    @edgerat said:
    If you match up loft for loft the "GI" irons aren't any better in terms or height or anything really. They take away a ton of spin from the ball. Spend $700 on lessons? Just me but I cannot stand to look down at a HUGE head next to the ball.

    Ok so I know this is not true. I have played tons of different irons from Apex 99’s and the original Nike Forged blades to JPX 900 Forged and Tours. And have hit countless of friends clubs including a lot of GI irons. Ping G400 and similar irons have an extreme amount of forgiveness. Period. Way more than a set of true blades especially. Now I’m just referring to where you hit the ball on the face not necessarily turf interaction and such. I’m not interested in more distance however if you think about it like this it makes sense...my 7 iron in a G400 is now basically what my 5 iron was except it’s almost an inch shorter which in my mind should definitely help with ball striking and accuracy. Am I going to need to rethink my gapping and maybe make some loft adjustments? Yes. Add maybe a different gap wedge? Yes. But as long as the turf interaction and offset don’t hurt me then I see nothing but upside. As far as the offset I’m a little worried that my already normal draw ball flight might get worse. I don’t know.

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