Ping irons..... power/std/retro lofts?

I see Ping has options for 3 choices of lofts..... Power/STD/Retro. If I order a set of Ping 210’s I would want retro lofts to get my PW at 47 degrees to compliment my 52/58 Wedge set up.

Question is By going retro loft....... Does this negatively effect bounce or any attribute/playability of the club?

Weakening loft adds a small amount of effective bounce and may also very slightly reduce the perception of offset, strengthening decreases bounce and increases the look of offset. It's all very subtle and has little to no effect on playability. If you are worried about bounce you could also order one of Ping's custom grinds.

> @buckhorn70 said:

> I see Ping has options for 3 choices of lofts..... Power/STD/Retro. If I order a set of Ping 210’s I would want retro lofts to get my PW at 47 degrees to compliment my 52/58 Wedge set up.

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> Question is By going retro loft....... Does this negatively effect bounce or any attribute/playability of the club?

I wouldn't do this across the set. I would just weaken the PW one degree to 46 and play the rest of the I210s at standard loft. This would give you 41, 46, 52, 58 for 9i through LW. I've played this combo for the last 15 years with zero gapping issues.

> @"hd.softail" said:

> > @buckhorn70 said:

> > I see Ping has options for 3 choices of lofts..... Power/STD/Retro. If I order a set of Ping 210’s I would want retro lofts to get my PW at 47 degrees to compliment my 52/58 Wedge set up.

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> > Question is By going retro loft....... Does this negatively effect bounce or any attribute/playability of the club?

> I wouldn't do this across the set. I would just weaken the PW one degree to 46 and play the rest of the I210s at standard loft. This would give you 41, 46, 52, 58 for 9i through LW. I've played this combo for the last 15 years with zero gapping issues.

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Never thought of this idea..... sounds like a good plan though.

> @buckhorn70 said:

> > @"hd.softail" said:

> > > @buckhorn70 said:

> > > I see Ping has options for 3 choices of lofts..... Power/STD/Retro. If I order a set of Ping 210’s I would want retro lofts to get my PW at 47 degrees to compliment my 52/58 Wedge set up.

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> > > Question is By going retro loft....... Does this negatively effect bounce or any attribute/playability of the club?

> > I wouldn't do this across the set. I would just weaken the PW one degree to 46 and play the rest of the I210s at standard loft. This would give you 41, 46, 52, 58 for 9i through LW. I've played this combo for the last 15 years with zero gapping issues.

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> Never thought of this idea..... sounds like a good plan though.

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I could go either way on this because that could end up leaving 15ish yards between your P and 9i. Once you get the clubs, you could get on a launch monitor and figure out what exactly you need gapping wise. I think distances are more important than actual lofts, because your i210 PW might go further than your standard 52 wedge, if that makes sense!

> @Davidelliott100 said:

> > @buckhorn70 said:

> > > @"hd.softail" said:

> > > > @buckhorn70 said:

> > > > I see Ping has options for 3 choices of lofts..... Power/STD/Retro. If I order a set of Ping 210’s I would want retro lofts to get my PW at 47 degrees to compliment my 52/58 Wedge set up.

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> > > > Question is By going retro loft....... Does this negatively effect bounce or any attribute/playability of the club?

> > > I wouldn't do this across the set. I would just weaken the PW one degree to 46 and play the rest of the I210s at standard loft. This would give you 41, 46, 52, 58 for 9i through LW. I've played this combo for the last 15 years with zero gapping issues.

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> > Never thought of this idea..... sounds like a good plan though.

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> I could go either way on this because that could end up leaving 15ish yards between your P and 9i. Once you get the clubs, you could get on a launch monitor and figure out what exactly you need gapping wise. I think distances are more important than actual lofts, because your i210 PW might go further than your standard 52 wedge, if that makes sense.

I think I know what you are saying.... I would think the 210 PW would go further than a 52 Wedge.

> @dpb5031 said:

> Weakening loft adds a small amount of effective bounce and may also very slightly reduce the perception of offset, strengthening decreases bounce and increases the look of offset. It's all very subtle and has little to no effect on playability. If you are worried about bounce you could also order one of Ping's custom grinds.

Does Ping bend heads to get their retro and power lofts, or do they produce different heads? If they produce different heads from different molds, it shouldn't effect bounce or offset.

> @tatertot said:

> > @dpb5031 said:

> > Weakening loft adds a small amount of effective bounce and may also very slightly reduce the perception of offset, strengthening decreases bounce and increases the look of offset. It's all very subtle and has little to no effect on playability. If you are worried about bounce you could also order one of Ping's custom grinds.

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> Does Ping bend heads to get their retro and power lofts, or do they produce different heads? If they produce different heads from different molds, it shouldn't effect bounce or offset.

Pretty sure they bend them but someone correct me if I'm wrong. Pings already have higher bounce (which I like) but weakening too much would worry me.

> @buckhorn70 said:

> > @Davidelliott100 said:

> > > @buckhorn70 said:

> > > > @"hd.softail" said:

> > > > > @buckhorn70 said:

> > > > > I see Ping has options for 3 choices of lofts..... Power/STD/Retro. If I order a set of Ping 210’s I would want retro lofts to get my PW at 47 degrees to compliment my 52/58 Wedge set up.

> > > > >

> > > > > Question is By going retro loft....... Does this negatively effect bounce or any attribute/playability of the club?

> > > > I wouldn't do this across the set. I would just weaken the PW one degree to 46 and play the rest of the I210s at standard loft. This would give you 41, 46, 52, 58 for 9i through LW. I've played this combo for the last 15 years with zero gapping issues.

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> > > Never thought of this idea..... sounds like a good plan though.

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> > I could go either way on this because that could end up leaving 15ish yards between your P and 9i. Once you get the clubs, you could get on a launch monitor and figure out what exactly you need gapping wise. I think distances are more important than actual lofts, because your i210 PW might go further than your standard 52 wedge, if that makes sense.

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> I think I know what you are saying.... I would think the 210 PW would go further than a 52 Wedge.

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A lot of times a set "wedge" will go further than a specialty wedge of the same loft. A 50* gap wedge from a set will often go a little further than a 50* specialty wedge.

> @RacineBoxer said:

> > @buckhorn70 said:

> > > @Davidelliott100 said:

> > > > @buckhorn70 said:

> > > > > @"hd.softail" said:

> > > > > > @buckhorn70 said:

> > > > > > I see Ping has options for 3 choices of lofts..... Power/STD/Retro. If I order a set of Ping 210’s I would want retro lofts to get my PW at 47 degrees to compliment my 52/58 Wedge set up.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Question is By going retro loft....... Does this negatively effect bounce or any attribute/playability of the club?

> > > > > I wouldn't do this across the set. I would just weaken the PW one degree to 46 and play the rest of the I210s at standard loft. This would give you 41, 46, 52, 58 for 9i through LW. I've played this combo for the last 15 years with zero gapping issues.

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> > > > Never thought of this idea..... sounds like a good plan though.

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> > > I could go either way on this because that could end up leaving 15ish yards between your P and 9i. Once you get the clubs, you could get on a launch monitor and figure out what exactly you need gapping wise. I think distances are more important than actual lofts, because your i210 PW might go further than your standard 52 wedge, if that makes sense.

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> > I think I know what you are saying.... I would think the 210 PW would go further than a 52 Wedge.

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> A lot of times a set "wedge" will go further than a specialty wedge of the same loft. A 50* gap wedge from a set will often go a little further than a 50* specialty wedge.

I find full shots the same but get jumpers with set gap wedges on partial shots. That said, I know the Glides exist, but I would LOVE an iBlade UW. The PW is just so d**m nice.

> @balls_deep said:

> > @RacineBoxer said:

> > > @buckhorn70 said:

> > > > @Davidelliott100 said:

> > > > > @buckhorn70 said:

> > > > > > @"hd.softail" said:

> > > > > > > @buckhorn70 said:

> > > > > > > I see Ping has options for 3 choices of lofts..... Power/STD/Retro. If I order a set of Ping 210’s I would want retro lofts to get my PW at 47 degrees to compliment my 52/58 Wedge set up.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Question is By going retro loft....... Does this negatively effect bounce or any attribute/playability of the club?

> > > > > > I wouldn't do this across the set. I would just weaken the PW one degree to 46 and play the rest of the I210s at standard loft. This would give you 41, 46, 52, 58 for 9i through LW. I've played this combo for the last 15 years with zero gapping issues.

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> > > > > Never thought of this idea..... sounds like a good plan though.

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> > > > I could go either way on this because that could end up leaving 15ish yards between your P and 9i. Once you get the clubs, you could get on a launch monitor and figure out what exactly you need gapping wise. I think distances are more important than actual lofts, because your i210 PW might go further than your standard 52 wedge, if that makes sense.

> > >

> > > I think I know what you are saying.... I would think the 210 PW would go further than a 52 Wedge.

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> > A lot of times a set "wedge" will go further than a specialty wedge of the same loft. A 50* gap wedge from a set will often go a little further than a 50* specialty wedge.

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> I find full shots the same but get jumpers with set gap wedges on partial shots. That said, I know the Glides exist, but I would LOVE an iBlade UW. The PW is just so d**m nice.

Yeah I think this is spot on. It seems like a majority of clubs nowadays are engineered for distance with distance control/accuracy as a close second (the exception maybe being a muscle back or small players cavity). Wedges on the other hand play more dead and are definitely designed to be distance controlled IMO. Neither is bad and some distance irons can be extremely consistent distance wise, but have never been as consistent as a true wedge for me.

> @"hd.softail" said:

> > @buckhorn70 said:

> > I see Ping has options for 3 choices of lofts..... Power/STD/Retro. If I order a set of Ping 210’s I would want retro lofts to get my PW at 47 degrees to compliment my 52/58 Wedge set up.

> >

> > Question is By going retro loft....... Does this negatively effect bounce or any attribute/playability of the club?

> I wouldn't do this across the set. I would just weaken the PW one degree to 46 and play the rest of the I210s at standard loft. This would give you 41, 46, 52, 58 for 9i through LW. I've played this combo for the last 15 years with zero gapping issues.

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I like @"hd.softail" 's approach, 41*/46* is the standard gapping for Mizuno 919 Forged and Srixon Z785. I don't want my 5 iron too weak since its my longest iron, and 28* in the retro spec probably creates the need to insert another club at the top end of the bag.

> @tatertot said:

> > @dpb5031 said:

> > Weakening loft adds a small amount of effective bounce and may also very slightly reduce the perception of offset, strengthening decreases bounce and increases the look of offset. It's all very subtle and has little to no effect on playability. If you are worried about bounce you could also order one of Ping's custom grinds.

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> Does Ping bend heads to get their retro and power lofts, or do they produce different heads? If they produce different heads from different molds, it shouldn't effect bounce or offset.

Bend

> @dpb5031 said:

> Weakening loft adds a small amount of effective bounce and may also very slightly reduce the perception of offset, strengthening decreases bounce and increases the look of offset. It's all very subtle and has little to no effect on playability. If you are worried about bounce you could also order one of Ping's custom grinds.

Actually, bending weak adds bounce and reduces offset period. No "...effective bounce" or "...the perception of offset." It's more factual than that.