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What do the pros REALLY think about the USGA?

 

Did they really threaten to boycott the 2017 US Open?

 

Golf Digest took an anonymous survey of pros, caddies, architects and other people in the game and the results don't look very good.

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usga-confidential

 

“The gap between the players and the USGA is bigger than it has ever been. There is a total lack of respect. And the USGA people brought it on themselves.”

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> @"Darth Putter" said:

> What do the pros REALLY think about the USGA?

>

> Did they really threaten to boycott the 2017 US Open?

>

> Golf Digest took an anonymous survey of pros, caddies, architects and other people in the game and the results don't look very good.

>

> https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usga-confidential

>

> “The gap between the players and the USGA is bigger than it has ever been. There is a total lack of respect. And the USGA people brought it on themselves.”

 

I’m taking bets on the over/under before 15th goes on a diatribe.

 

I’m going under 40

 

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> @"Darth Putter" said:

> What do the pros REALLY think about the USGA?

>

> Did they really threaten to boycott the 2017 US Open?

>

> Golf Digest took an anonymous survey of pros, caddies, architects and other people in the game and the results don't look very good.

>

> https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usga-confidential

>

> “The gap between the players and the USGA is bigger than it has ever been. There is a total lack of respect. And the USGA people brought it on themselves.”

 

 

I love this quote:

 

TEACHER OF MULTIPLE MAJOR CHAMPIONS: They think they're qualified to do what they do, but, like Bill Parcells says, “You are what your record says you are.” Their record is awful.

 

 

 

And also this one:

 

TEACHER OF MULTIPLE MAJOR CHAMPIONS: They're amateurs who think they know it all—a dangerous combination.

 

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> @BNGL said:

> > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > What do the pros REALLY think about the USGA?

> >

> > Did they really threaten to boycott the 2017 US Open?

> >

> > Golf Digest took an anonymous survey of pros, caddies, architects and other people in the game and the results don't look very good.

> >

> > https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usga-confidential

> >

> > “The gap between the players and the USGA is bigger than it has ever been. There is a total lack of respect. And the USGA people brought it on themselves.”

>

> I’m taking bets on the over/under before 15th goes on a diatribe.

>

> I’m going under 40

>

Defenders of the USGA will say since no one put their name to the article it doesn't count and the U.S Open is the best run major there is.

 

 

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> @BNGL said:

> > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > What do the pros REALLY think about the USGA?

> >

> > Did they really threaten to boycott the 2017 US Open?

> >

> > Golf Digest took an anonymous survey of pros, caddies, architects and other people in the game and the results don't look very good.

> >

> > https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usga-confidential

> >

> > “The gap between the players and the USGA is bigger than it has ever been. There is a total lack of respect. And the USGA people brought it on themselves.”

>

> I’m taking bets on the over/under before 15th goes on a diatribe.

>

> I’m going under 40

>

 

Not necessarily, he may be out filming the video confrontations with tour players he spoke of doing

 

 

 

 

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> @"Darth Putter" said:

> What do the pros REALLY think about the USGA?

>

> Did they really threaten to boycott the 2017 US Open?

>

> Golf Digest took an anonymous survey of pros, caddies, architects and other people in the game and the results don't look very good.

>

> https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usga-confidential

>

> “The gap between the players and the USGA is bigger than it has ever been. There is a total lack of respect. And the USGA people brought it on themselves.”

 

The comments are a pretty solid indicator of just how bad it really is with the USGA, not that anyone who's not a member of their fan club needed any verification.

 

“Don't worry, I've got this. I do it every week of the year. It's only you guys who do it once a year.” That statement applies to so much of the U.S. Open.

 

TEACHER OF MULTIPLE MAJOR CHAMPIONS: The USGA is an organization built on egos. It's full of successful people who are not used to being told what to do. And they're very rich, typically. They don't listen when it comes to golf.

 

TEACHER OF MULTIPLE MAJOR CHAMPIONS: I don't understand why we can't have a U.S. Open where the greens actually have living grass on them. Why do they turn up at venues insisting they know how to take care of a course when they don't? Last year at Shinnecock, they had a meeting early in the week with the top superintendents from other Open venues. The USGA was told the course needed water. They just don't listen to people who know what they're doing.

 

You just can't defend them when this is what experts who do this week in and week out see every year.

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> @"Darth Putter" said:

> What do the pros REALLY think about the USGA?

>

> Did they really threaten to boycott the 2017 US Open?

>

> Golf Digest took an anonymous survey of pros, caddies, architects and other people in the game and the results don't look very good.

>

> https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usga-confidential

>

> “The gap between the players and the USGA is bigger than it has ever been. There is a total lack of respect. And the USGA people brought it on themselves.”

 

How long before we get this tweet from the USGA:

 

"Hundreds of anonymous pros and teachers of pros, we need to talk, you've cancelled every meeting we've planned with you but we're reaching out again, we've been at every tournament this year..."

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> @MtlJeff said:

> > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > What do the pros REALLY think about the USGA?

> >

> > Did they really threaten to boycott the 2017 US Open?

> >

> > Golf Digest took an anonymous survey of pros, caddies, architects and other people in the game and the results don't look very good.

> >

> > https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usga-confidential

> >

> > “The gap between the players and the USGA is bigger than it has ever been. There is a total lack of respect. And the USGA people brought it on themselves.”

>

> How long before we get this tweet from the USGA:

>

> "Hundreds of anonymous pros and teachers of pros, we need to talk, you've cancelled every meeting we've planned with you but we're reaching out again, we've been at every tournament this year..."

 

wow.. this workaround works..lol

 

 

 

on topic.. Yes im sure they are getting the reply ready .. It blow my mind that we almost saw a player boycott that included Rory and DJ ..,..i for one would have applauded if they did. USGA officials of all levels should be elected by past USGA champs...

 

the parts about players wanting to see accounting for where the FOX TV money is going is very telling.. the answer is more telling.. a pie chart with a misc $25mil lol... wow... I said this 2 years ago... they are simply making each other wealthy off the backs of the pro game, all the while pretending to be the Am player champions , so to speak. Not protecting real mid ams, and doing away with the Pub links was the beginning of the end of that . If they screw up pebble i hope the players do something to get the worlds attention and oust the leadership.

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> @bladehunter said:

> > @MtlJeff said:

> > > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > > What do the pros REALLY think about the USGA?

> > >

> > > Did they really threaten to boycott the 2017 US Open?

> > >

> > > Golf Digest took an anonymous survey of pros, caddies, architects and other people in the game and the results don't look very good.

> > >

> > > https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usga-confidential

> > >

> > > “The gap between the players and the USGA is bigger than it has ever been. There is a total lack of respect. And the USGA people brought it on themselves.”

> >

> > How long before we get this tweet from the USGA:

> >

> > "Hundreds of anonymous pros and teachers of pros, we need to talk, you've cancelled every meeting we've planned with you but we're reaching out again, we've been at every tournament this year..."

>

> wow.. this workaround works..lol

>

>

>

> on topic.. Yes im sure they are getting the reply ready .. It blow my mind that we almost saw a player boycott that included Rory and DJ ..,..i for one would have applauded if they did. USGA officials of all levels should be elected by past USGA champs...

>

> the parts about players wanting to see accounting for where the FOX TV money is going is very telling.. the answer is more telling.. a pie chart with a misc $25mil lol... wow... I said this 2 years ago... they are simply making each other wealthy off the backs of the pro game, all the while pretending to be the Am player champions , so to speak. Not protecting real mid ams, and doing away with the Pub links was the beginning of the end of that . If they screw up pebble i hope the players do something to get the worlds attention and oust the leadership.

 

The boycott stuff was really interesting....and the more I think about it , I feel it would be surprisingly easy to boycott for the top 20-30 players in the world ( they don't need the money or the exposure, there are several other tournaments for that).

 

The US open needs pros way more than vice versa. If the top pros stop attending their TV deal is mostly worthless and it becomes the Canadian Open.

 

They could move the players championship in the schedule and just call it the 4th major if they really wanted

 

 

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> @GolfChannel said:

> > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > What do the pros REALLY think about the USGA?

> >

> > Did they really threaten to boycott the 2017 US Open?

> >

> > Golf Digest took an anonymous survey of pros, caddies, architects and other people in the game and the results don't look very good.

> >

> > https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usga-confidential

> >

> > “The gap between the players and the USGA is bigger than it has ever been. There is a total lack of respect. And the USGA people brought it on themselves.”

>

> Probably in the minority, but I could care less what the pro’s want or think in regards to course setup for anything. I appreciate the annual slaughter and wish the Tour would grow a pair when it came to actually putting out a stern test week to week that didn’t just revolve around distance and rough (which only exacerbates the advantage for the long hitters).

 

It's about much more than course set up.

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> @bladehunter said:

> > @MtlJeff said:

> > > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > > What do the pros REALLY think about the USGA?

> > >

> > > Did they really threaten to boycott the 2017 US Open?

> > >

> > > Golf Digest took an anonymous survey of pros, caddies, architects and other people in the game and the results don't look very good.

> > >

> > > https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usga-confidential

> > >

> > > “The gap between the players and the USGA is bigger than it has ever been. There is a total lack of respect. And the USGA people brought it on themselves.”

> >

> > How long before we get this tweet from the USGA:

> >

> > "Hundreds of anonymous pros and teachers of pros, we need to talk, you've cancelled every meeting we've planned with you but we're reaching out again, we've been at every tournament this year..."

>

> wow.. this workaround works..lol

>

>

>

> on topic.. Yes im sure they are getting the reply ready .. It blow my mind that we almost saw a player boycott that included Rory and DJ ..,..i for one would have applauded if they did. USGA officials of all levels should be elected by past USGA champs...

>

> the parts about players wanting to see accounting for where the FOX TV money is going is very telling.. the answer is more telling.. a pie chart with a misc $25mil lol... wow... I said this 2 years ago... they are simply making each other wealthy off the backs of the pro game, all the while pretending to be the Am player champions , so to speak. Not protecting real mid ams, and doing away with the Pub links was the beginning of the end of that . If they screw up pebble i hope the players do something to get the worlds attention and oust the leadership.

 

Don't tease.

 

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> @buckeyefl said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @MtlJeff said:

> > > > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > > > What do the pros REALLY think about the USGA?

> > > >

> > > > Did they really threaten to boycott the 2017 US Open?

> > > >

> > > > Golf Digest took an anonymous survey of pros, caddies, architects and other people in the game and the results don't look very good.

> > > >

> > > > https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usga-confidential

> > > >

> > > > “The gap between the players and the USGA is bigger than it has ever been. There is a total lack of respect. And the USGA people brought it on themselves.”

> > >

> > > How long before we get this tweet from the USGA:

> > >

> > > "Hundreds of anonymous pros and teachers of pros, we need to talk, you've cancelled every meeting we've planned with you but we're reaching out again, we've been at every tournament this year..."

> >

> > wow.. this workaround works..lol

> >

> >

> >

> > on topic.. Yes im sure they are getting the reply ready .. It blow my mind that we almost saw a player boycott that included Rory and DJ ..,..i for one would have applauded if they did. USGA officials of all levels should be elected by past USGA champs...

> >

> > the parts about players wanting to see accounting for where the FOX TV money is going is very telling.. the answer is more telling.. a pie chart with a misc $25mil lol... wow... I said this 2 years ago... they are simply making each other wealthy off the backs of the pro game, all the while pretending to be the Am player champions , so to speak. Not protecting real mid ams, and doing away with the Pub links was the beginning of the end of that . If they screw up pebble i hope the players do something to get the worlds attention and oust the leadership.

>

> Don't tease.

>

 

Soon enough the USGA apologists will be here, brace yourselves.

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> @GolfChannel said:

> > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > What do the pros REALLY think about the USGA?

> >

> > Did they really threaten to boycott the 2017 US Open?

> >

> > Golf Digest took an anonymous survey of pros, caddies, architects and other people in the game and the results don't look very good.

> >

> > https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usga-confidential

> >

> > “The gap between the players and the USGA is bigger than it has ever been. There is a total lack of respect. And the USGA people brought it on themselves.”

>

> Probably in the minority, but I could care less what the pro’s want or think in regards to course setup for anything. I appreciate the annual slaughter and wish the Tour would grow a pair when it came to actually putting out a stern test week to week that didn’t just revolve around distance and rough (which only exacerbates the advantage for the long hitters).

 

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Let me guess, like most of the USGA dorks you are a 5 handicap who couldn't break 100 at Bethpage Black. Your idea of a true test (gave it away with "enjoying the slaughter") are greens that hold zero shots and allow putts from wrong side of hole to run into bunkers. The best golfers in the world are the experts in what a true test of golf is about, not a bunch of wannabees who decide pin positions with committees of 12.

 

 

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I have to say I’m not surprised that a multiple major champion (incl. the US Open) said it used to be tough but fair when he played, with greens rolling 9.5 instead 14.5. All this time, I was told the greens were just as fast and difficult way back when, despite convincing video evidence to the contrary.

 

All in all, that was a great read to see what a cross section of professional golf thinks of the USGA. Interesting and telling.

 

 

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> @"Ashley Schaeffer" said:

> I have to say I’m not surprised that a multiple major champion (incl. the US Open) said it used to be tough but fair when he played, with greens rolling 9.5 instead 14.5. All this time, I was told the greens were just as fast and difficult way back when, despite convincing video evidence to the contrary.

>

> All in all, that was a great read to see what a cross section of professional golf thinks of the USGA. Interesting and telling.

>

>

yep... theres quite a few comments in that article... some rather scathing .... im guessing the apologists will tell us that pros arent needed .. id beg to differ if you want to keep that Huge Fox contract money coming in . As much as i love high level Am golf, id tell you for certain that if no top level pros play, its going to be televised on The golf channel just like the NCAA stuff...

 

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> @bladehunter said:

> > @"Ashley Schaeffer" said:

> > I have to say I’m not surprised that a multiple major champion (incl. the US Open) said it used to be tough but fair when he played, with greens rolling 9.5 instead 14.5. All this time, I was told the greens were just as fast and difficult way back when, despite convincing video evidence to the contrary.

> >

> > All in all, that was a great read to see what a cross section of professional golf thinks of the USGA. Interesting and telling.

> >

> >

> yep... theres quite a few comments in that article... some rather scathing .... im guessing the apologists will tell us that pros arent needed .. id beg to differ if you want to keep that Huge Fox contract money coming in . As much as i love high level Am golf, id tell you for certain that if no top level pros play, its going to be televised on The golf channel just like the NCAA stuff...

>

 

 

also... Come on Pgapromex....how on earth do you click disagree on the OP???? All he did was link an article.. gave no opinion at all. This Disgaree button and "im going to block" you childish stuff is for the birds.

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> @bladehunter said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @"Ashley Schaeffer" said:

> > > I have to say I’m not surprised that a multiple major champion (incl. the US Open) said it used to be tough but fair when he played, with greens rolling 9.5 instead 14.5. All this time, I was told the greens were just as fast and difficult way back when, despite convincing video evidence to the contrary.

> > >

> > > All in all, that was a great read to see what a cross section of professional golf thinks of the USGA. Interesting and telling.

> > >

> > >

> > yep... theres quite a few comments in that article... some rather scathing .... im guessing the apologists will tell us that pros arent needed .. id beg to differ if you want to keep that Huge Fox contract money coming in . As much as i love high level Am golf, id tell you for certain that if no top level pros play, its going to be televised on The golf channel just like the NCAA stuff...

> >

>

>

> also... Come on Pgapromex....how on earth do you click disagree on the OP???? All he did was link an article.. gave no opinion at all. This Disgaree button and "im going to block" you childish stuff is for the birds.

 

Something is goofy with the forum, I didn't mean to disagree with OPs post, but when trying to quote and reply nothing worked so I just started clicking on everything. Heh Heh Anyway, the only post in this thread I disagreed with was the one I quoted with Ricky taking a dump drop photo. The only way I was able to post that comment was to right click open in new window on quote. I never use disagree buttons or block etc, not my style.

 

 

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> @"Mr. Hogan" said:

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> They've likely been delayed by the reply malfunction, which was easily worked around by anti-USGA forces.

 

There are USGA apologists??? ....why?

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Interesting read.

The comment about them being amateurs I found slightly odd, as I thought the organization included professional agronomists and engineers.

 

> @bladehunter said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @"Ashley Schaeffer" said:

> > > I have to say I’m not surprised that a multiple major champion (incl. the US Open) said it used to be tough but fair when he played, with greens rolling 9.5 instead 14.5. All this time, I was told the greens were just as fast and difficult way back when, despite convincing video evidence to the contrary.

> > >

> > > All in all, that was a great read to see what a cross section of professional golf thinks of the USGA. Interesting and telling.

> > >

> > >

> > yep... theres quite a few comments in that article... some rather scathing .... im guessing the apologists will tell us that pros arent needed .. id beg to differ if you want to keep that Huge Fox contract money coming in . As much as i love high level Am golf, id tell you for certain that if no top level pros play, its going to be televised on The golf channel just like the NCAA stuff...

> >

>

>

> also... Come on Pgapromex....how on earth do you click disagree on the OP???? All he did was link an article.. gave no opinion at all. This Disgaree button and "im going to block" you childish stuff is for the birds.

 

I would be quite happy to see the "Disagree" button disappear. I just noticed a couple of days ago I got a "disagree" for asking an innocent question (coincidentally, to you, BUT it wasn't you hitting the "disagree" button) in a thread about the European Tour slow play list that Molinari posted. I don't see how anyone can disagree with a post asking a non-rhetorical question then a factual statement.

My post: "What was it? I've tried to find it but failed"

Some other poster: "DISAGREE!!"

Bizarre.

 

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> @"Mr. Hogan" said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > As for the USGA being thrown under the bus? They absolutely deserve it and hopefully the bus goes forward and backward numerous times over them.

> >

> >

>

> I like the way you think!

 

I wonder if Jason Gore will make any headway in his Senior Director of Player Relations.

 

According to the USGA, the "appointment launches a comprehensive program aimed at sharing information and strengthening engagement with players in areas of importance to the USGA. These include initiatives to grow and advance the game, research critical to the game’s health and continuing to incorporate the players' perspective in its work to advance the sport."

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> @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> Interesting read.

> The comment about them being amateurs I found slightly odd, as I thought the organization included professional agronomists and engineers.

>

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @"Ashley Schaeffer" said:

> > > > I have to say I’m not surprised that a multiple major champion (incl. the US Open) said it used to be tough but fair when he played, with greens rolling 9.5 instead 14.5. All this time, I was told the greens were just as fast and difficult way back when, despite convincing video evidence to the contrary.

> > > >

> > > > All in all, that was a great read to see what a cross section of professional golf thinks of the USGA. Interesting and telling.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > yep... theres quite a few comments in that article... some rather scathing .... im guessing the apologists will tell us that pros arent needed .. id beg to differ if you want to keep that Huge Fox contract money coming in . As much as i love high level Am golf, id tell you for certain that if no top level pros play, its going to be televised on The golf channel just like the NCAA stuff...

> > >

> >

> >

> > also... Come on Pgapromex....how on earth do you click disagree on the OP???? All he did was link an article.. gave no opinion at all. This Disgaree button and "im going to block" you childish stuff is for the birds.

>

> I would be quite happy to see the "Disagree" button disappear. I just noticed a couple of days ago I got a "disagree" for asking an innocent question (coincidentally, to you, BUT it wasn't you hitting the "disagree" button) in a thread about the European Tour slow play list that Molinari posted. I don't see how anyone can disagree with a post asking a non-rhetorical question then a factual statement.

> My post: "What was it? I've tried to find it but failed"

> Some other poster: "DISAGREE!!"

> Bizarre.

>

 

It does include agronomists, some of the best in the world if we’re being honest but they’re rarely if ever consulted. That is a whole different section of the USGA. They actually do good work.

 

Just to save aggravation from trying to reply, reading about the dead grass....it’s not. It’s close but it isn’t m, as much flak as US Open setup takes they’re not that dumb. The plant is definitely shut down (chemically, hydrologically, and nutritionally) anytime the turf isn’t photosynthesizing (as much as it could be) it’s going to turn off color, doesn’t mean it’s dead.

 

For whatever reason the USGA has an obsession with protecting par. To go specifically at golf and fishing, what you wanna see isn’t golf, that’s luck. Should the margin for error be small? Should their be a premium on precise ball striking? Absolutely there should be, but it has to be receptive to quality shots and allow for recovery if a player misses. That last part is the hardest in my opinion, because it’s very easy to have one but not both.

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Hope they fix this posting issue soon but at least there is a work around.

Well I finally had time to read all the player comments about the USGA and it seems the Pros and many of us have the same feeling toward them--- A bunch of arrogant, unqualified clowns that don't listen. A bunch of self-important little men. LOL 11 guys on a green figuring out pin placement. I once saw Mike Davis placing tee markers and he made a fairly simple task look like the most complicated task that can only be accomplished by the highly skilled. No lie he took about 5 mins, looking over his finger down the fairway, moving and tweaking the markers multiple times by a fraction of an inch. Then again he needs to justify his highly bloated near 7 figure salary. I say fire all of them and start over.

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> @"Darth Putter" said:

> What do the pros REALLY think about the USGA?

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> Did they really threaten to boycott the 2017 US Open?

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> Golf Digest took an anonymous survey of pros, caddies, architects and other people in the game and the results don't look very good.

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> https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usga-confidential

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> “The gap between the players and the USGA is bigger than it has ever been. There is a total lack of respect. And the USGA people brought it on themselves.”

 

My biggest problem with the USGA in recent years has been the mutilation of golf courses in order to manipulate a score. The USGA is so damned concerned about protecting par, not putting on a good show for its fans and viewers and a fair test of golf for its players. I've said time and again that the USGA needs to take notes from the PGA of America, who year after year put on a great major without destroying the host golf course. I mean, how often have we seen at the US Open where players during practice rounds will actually say the course looks tough but fair, only for the weekend to roll around and the course is borderline unplayable?

 

As far as the players go, no player is going to "boycott" its national championship, especially since its purse is eight figures. That's the ace in the hole the USGA holds. But until course conditions actually improve for the four tournament days, you'll see these complaints grow year to year.

 

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> @GolfChannel said:

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> Probably in the minority, but I could care less what the pro’s want or think in regards to course setup for anything. I appreciate the annual slaughter and wish the Tour would grow a pair when it came to actually putting out a stern test week to week that didn’t just revolve around distance and rough (which only exacerbates the advantage for the long hitters).

 

Would you like it even more if they put a windmill on the green? Or a clown?

 

Any course can be made very difficult.

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> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> Phil took crap for it but his stunt last year I'm sure resonated with many.

> As for the USGA being thrown under the bus? They absolutely deserve it and hopefully the bus goes forward and backward numerous times over them.

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What Phil did was stupid. Stupid because he took all the heat for something most of the players really wanted to do. But it was necessary to bring attention to the ridiculous conditions created by the USGA. So it was a good move by Phil but stupid because he became the focus by acting silly.

 

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