Bryson not happy about being put on the clock...

_DeChambeau, who has found himself repeatedly involved with issues of slow play, opened up on the issue to Golf Channel’s Will Gray. After receiving a warning for a bad time, DeChambeau made a double bogey.

“We’ve had struggles the past three holes in a row, hazards and making bogeys and all that,” DeChambeau told Golf Channel. “Was that not factored in? ‘Well, it’s just 40 seconds, it is what it is,’ [he said]. Well, I don’t agree with that.”

DeChambeau’s proposed solution includes counting the time between shots, not just the time spent once a player is at his ball.

“It’s a bit unfair when you’ve got someone that’s behind you, let’s say, and they’re slower, but they’re quicker through their process. I get up there in the middle of the fairway and I have to wait for them to go, and then I have only my 40 seconds.”_

https://www.golf.com/news/2019/05/30/tiger-woods-bryson-dechambeau-slow-play-frustration/

I have to say, Bryson seems to be one of the players having a continuous issue with this. Thoughts?

It’d be interesting to see if he has received any warnings or been put on the clock during rounds when he’s not in a featured tv group. Sure seems like he purposely plays up the whole scientist thing but I’ve never met the man so it’s just a guess.

He should be put on the clock the moment he steps onto the first tee. He's not the only one.

> @golfandfishing said:

> “I get up there in the middle of the fairway and I have to wait for them to go, and then I have only my 40 seconds.”

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> He can do almost all of his phony baloney smart boy stuff while waiting on others. But that means the camera won’t pick him up talking about air density, angle of descent, daylight savings time or if he can astrally project his ball onto the green or not. His science schtick is played out, he doesn’t know what any of his terms mean and this college dropout isn’t applying anything but wind direction and yardage like everyone else. But he has to wait to go through the process until the camera is on him so his 40 seconds isn’t enough since he stands there smelling his own farts the rest of the time.

Everyone likes their own brand, I heard. His smell of ozone.

> @physasst said:

> _DeChambeau, who has found himself repeatedly involved with issues of slow play, opened up on the issue to Golf Channel’s Will Gray. After receiving a warning for a bad time, DeChambeau made a double bogey.

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> “We’ve had struggles the past three holes in a row, hazards and making bogeys and all that,” DeChambeau told Golf Channel. “Was that not factored in? ‘Well, it’s just 40 seconds, it is what it is,’ [he said]. Well, I don’t agree with that.”

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He doesn't have to agree, he just has to play within the rules. If he wants to lobby to change the pace of play policy, go for it. But until then, better prepare himself to be on the clock, and to work within the 40-second window.

Just grip and rip it. These guys have hit these shots thousands of times. Why deliberate for 2 minutes when they know what they are going to hit 80-90% of the time as soon as they see their ball?

> @buckeye440 said:

> Just grip and rip it. These guys have hit these shots thousands of times. Why deliberate for 2 minutes when they know what they are going to hit 80-90% of the time as soon as they see their ball?

concur, get a number, check the wind, get a club, go.

BAD can take another lesson from science. Adapt or face extinction. Learn to play faster or be dogged by being put on the clock and hopefully penalized. His schtick is getting old anyway.

I don't know the stats, I am the furthest thing from a professional golfer. My goal is shoot 85, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, I can golf decently at the home courses so I don't want to discredit a professional and make it sound easy because I know the game is the opposite of easy. But I assume as many of us will say so this is nothing new, as soon as you see the ball land, if you have your target distances out there, you should have an idea of how many yards you have left as you are walking/driving up to your ball.

If it is a 430yd, dogleg left and you hit it at the bend which is at 290. You should have a pretty good idea that you have about 140-150yd left depending on lie, pin location and wind. It seems some guys won't start to think about any of that until they stand over the ball. The extra 40-50 seconds that is allotted is more of a luxury than anything IMO.

If you make a big mistake off the tee and have some obstacles to clear or go through, that's a different story. But if they're hitting it at their target or in their target area 70-80% of the time, the decision making process shouldn't be as difficult as he and some make it.

> @stanger37 said:

> I don't know the stats, I am the furthest thing from a professional golfer. My goal is shoot 85, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, I can golf decently at the home courses so I don't want to discredit a professional and make it sound easy because I know the game is the opposite of easy. But I assume as many of us will say so this is nothing new, as soon as you see the ball land, if you have your target distances out there, you should have an idea of how many yards you have left as you are walking/driving up to your ball.

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> If it is a 430yd, dogleg left and you hit it at the bend which is at 290. You should have a pretty good idea that you have about 140-150yd left depending on lie, pin location and wind. It seems some guys won't start to think about any of that until they stand over the ball. The extra 40-50 seconds that is allotted is more of a luxury than anything IMO.

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> If you make a big mistake off the tee and have some obstacles to clear or go through, that's a different story. But if they're hitting it at their target or in their target area 70-80% of the time, the decision making process shouldn't be as difficult as he and some make it.

oh and lets not forget...practice rounds are great for knowing where your tee shots could land and how far you'd have in...since that's what practice rounds are for -- making a game plan from the green back to the tee, or vice versa.

Just another example of his whining. If you play slow then expect to be warned/put on the clock.

Then learn to game the system. Get off the clock quickly and hen go back to your normal routine. Rinse and repeat if put on the clock.

he needs to make less bogies

_". . .I get up there in the middle of the fairway and I have to wait for them to go, and then I have only my 40 seconds.” _

What a clown.

> @physasst said:

> _DeChambeau, who has found himself repeatedly involved with issues of slow play, opened up on the issue to Golf Channel’s Will Gray. After receiving a warning for a bad time, DeChambeau made a double bogey.

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> “We’ve had struggles the past three holes in a row, hazards and making bogeys and all that,” DeChambeau told Golf Channel. “Was that not factored in? ‘Well, it’s just 40 seconds, it is what it is,’ [he said]. Well, I don’t agree with that.”

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> DeChambeau’s proposed solution includes counting the time between shots, not just the time spent once a player is at his ball.

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> “It’s a bit unfair when you’ve got someone that’s behind you, let’s say, and they’re slower, but they’re quicker through their process. I get up there in the middle of the fairway and I have to wait for them to go, and then I have only my 40 seconds.”_

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> https://www.golf.com/news/2019/05/30/tiger-woods-bryson-dechambeau-slow-play-frustration/

> I have to say, Bryson seems to be one of the players having a continuous issue with this. Thoughts?

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simple solution...hit the ball in the fairway.

> @puttfordoux said:

> > @physasst said:

> > _DeChambeau, who has found himself repeatedly involved with issues of slow play, opened up on the issue to Golf Channel’s Will Gray. After receiving a warning for a bad time, DeChambeau made a double bogey.

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> > “We’ve had struggles the past three holes in a row, hazards and making bogeys and all that,” DeChambeau told Golf Channel. “Was that not factored in? ‘Well, it’s just 40 seconds, it is what it is,’ [he said]. Well, I don’t agree with that.”

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> > DeChambeau’s proposed solution includes counting the time between shots, not just the time spent once a player is at his ball.

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> > “It’s a bit unfair when you’ve got someone that’s behind you, let’s say, and they’re slower, but they’re quicker through their process. I get up there in the middle of the fairway and I have to wait for them to go, and then I have only my 40 seconds.”_

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> > https://www.golf.com/news/2019/05/30/tiger-woods-bryson-dechambeau-slow-play-frustration/

> > I have to say, Bryson seems to be one of the players having a continuous issue with this. Thoughts?

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> simple solution...hit the ball in the fairway.

I think he'd still take 5 minutes to hit a ball. Trying to figure out if solar radiation reflection off of Mars is affecting the ball flight....

> @physasst said:

> DeChambeau’s proposed solution includes counting the time between shots, not just the time spent once a player is at his ball.

I think everybody totally missed this part. He is correct. Slow play should include more than just the time after reaching your ball.

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @physasst said:

> > DeChambeau’s proposed solution includes counting the time between shots, not just the time spent once a player is at his ball.

> I think everybody totally missed this part. He is correct. Slow play should include more than just the time after reaching your ball.

To a certain extent, it does, even at the pro tour level. A slow-walking group could lose ground on those ahead simply because they walk slowly. They might be able to take a little more time over their shot if they walk quickly, and never fall behind. Similarly, to get back into position might require a group to pick up its walking pace. A quicker walking pace will generally help a group avoid being put on the clock, and help it regain its proper position on the course.

Begs the question of what him and his caddy are doing while "waiting" on others to play. What takes 40 seconds to figure out God only knows. Still, at the women's event at the weekend Catriona Matthew tweeted that it was over 3 hours for 9 holes. Ridiculous.

> @davep043 said:

> > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > @physasst said:

> > > DeChambeau’s proposed solution includes counting the time between shots, not just the time spent once a player is at his ball.

> > I think everybody totally missed this part. He is correct. Slow play should include more than just the time after reaching your ball.

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> To a certain extent, it does, even at the pro tour level. A slow-walking group could lose ground on those ahead simply because they walk slowly. They might be able to take a little more time over their shot if they walk quickly, and never fall behind. Similarly, to get back into position might require a group to pick up its walking pace. A quicker walking pace will generally help a group avoid being put on the clock, and help it regain its proper position on the course.

Agree, it does. They know how far the group in front of them is, they know about how fast those guys walk, same as almost everybody playing on any given day on any given course. You can, and should, try your best to keep pace with that group in front of you. If you want more time to "science" get to your ball faster.

> @davep043 said:

> > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > @physasst said:

> > > DeChambeau’s proposed solution includes counting the time between shots, not just the time spent once a player is at his ball.

> > I think everybody totally missed this part. He is correct. Slow play should include more than just the time after reaching your ball.

>

> To a certain extent, it does, even at the pro tour level. A slow-walking group could lose ground on those ahead simply because they walk slowly. They might be able to take a little more time over their shot if they walk quickly, and never fall behind. Similarly, to get back into position might require a group to pick up its walking pace. A quicker walking pace will generally help a group avoid being put on the clock, and help it regain its proper position on the course.

Yes, but it only impacts getting on the clock. Once you are on the clock, I'm not aware of any timing other than after you reach your ball.

> @JonnyKrasnodar said:

> Begs the question of what him and his caddy are doing while "waiting" on others to play. What takes 40 seconds to figure out God only knows. Still, at the women's event at the weekend Catriona Matthew tweeted that it was over 3 hours for 9 holes. Ridiculous.

That is just brutal. I walked off a public course after 9 holes a few weeks ago because it took 3 hours and there was a traffic jam on the 10 tee box.

The women at my club play fast as ****, and they're not afraid to get a bit snarky about your pace of play either. I happily let 2-somes play through me all the time. I'm no speed golfer by any stretch and honestly can't stand speed golfers, but 3 hours to play 9 holes is just retarded.

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @davep043 said:

> > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > @physasst said:

> > > > DeChambeau’s proposed solution includes counting the time between shots, not just the time spent once a player is at his ball.

> > > I think everybody totally missed this part. He is correct. Slow play should include more than just the time after reaching your ball.

> >

> > To a certain extent, it does, even at the pro tour level. A slow-walking group could lose ground on those ahead simply because they walk slowly. They might be able to take a little more time over their shot if they walk quickly, and never fall behind. Similarly, to get back into position might require a group to pick up its walking pace. A quicker walking pace will generally help a group avoid being put on the clock, and help it regain its proper position on the course.

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> Yes, but it only impacts getting on the clock. Once you are on the clock, I'm not aware of any timing other than after you reach your ball.

You're right, as far as I know, and I just re-read the PGA Tour Handbook

https://qualifying.pgatourhq.com/static-assets/uploads/2017-18_pga_tour_handbookregs_final.pdf

But if you can catch back up to the group ahead, you may no longer be on the clock, and one way to catch back up is to move faster between shots.

> @ctsgolf said:

> > @JonnyKrasnodar said:

> > Begs the question of what him and his caddy are doing while "waiting" on others to play. What takes 40 seconds to figure out God only knows. Still, at the women's event at the weekend Catriona Matthew tweeted that it was over 3 hours for 9 holes. Ridiculous.

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> That is just brutal. I walked off a public course after 9 holes a few weeks ago because it took 3 hours and there was a traffic jam on the 10 tee box.

> The women at my club play fast as ****, and they're not afraid to get a bit snarky about your pace of play either. I happily let 2-somes play through me all the time. I'm no speed golfer by any stretch and honestly can't stand speed golfers, but 3 hours to play 9 holes is just retarded.

Agreed, the lady members at my club are faster than 75% of the men. I just can't fathom what takes that length of time and why it is so bad at the professional level. Yes there's money at stake but it still shouldn't take minutes to hit a golf shot.

I've only ever walked off a course once and that was in the States, 3 hours front nine and like yourself, four or five groups waiting on 10. Now,it was evident a large number had either never picked up a club before or were just rubbish and genuinely didn't care they were making double figures every hole. So why it takes a pro a similar length of time is beyond me.

If you walk fast and get to your ball and take forever to play, or if you walk slow and play fast when you get there, what are you? Still slow. Speed up.

I can see having some debate when the wind is swirling around or picking up and laying down. I like the quote from Jack on saturday on I think it was either Speith or Thomas(never really saw who it was) talking with their caddy and he said that "that was more conversation with a caddy then I would of had all year with mine". Even the first round or two of a tournament you ought to have a good idea what your good idea on what your doing before you get to the ball even if it was your first time on the course.

Head cases. These guys have too much going on between the ears. Que the Bobby Jones quote regarding the six inch course.

Paralysis by analysis. Get the number, grab a club, visualize the shot, hit it, find it.

What a wanker..........good grief. I stand by my prediction that he leaves the Tour in a staightjacket one day

Is there an opportunity to blame the USGA here? I kid, I kid ;)

I’ll show myself out.

If you have never done it before, time yourself from the point where it is your turn to hit until you pull the trigger. 40 seconds is a long time. On the tour, rarely are they not waiting so you have way more time to "think" before your 40 seconds even starts. Even us amateurs who are not really that good can grab a rangefinder, look at you GPS, throw up a piece of grass, grab a club, practice swing once or twice, step up and pull the trigger in less than 40seconds. If you can't what in the world are you doing? No excuse for BDC or any of the pros.