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JokesJokes Members Posts: 154 ✭✭✭
edited Jun 8, 2019 12:51pm in Swing Videos and Comments #1

About Me:
Currently I am a +1.6 handicap and looking to improve. As of now I am just about average with everything I do including putting, short game, irons, and driving. Specifically in irons and driving I hit about 8 or 9 out of 10 shots good and where I intend them to go. The thing that is killing my game right now are those other 1-2 shots because they are so offline or poor that it basically costs me a stroke right away. I want to try to figure out why these inconsistencies happen and how to fix them. Moving forward I want to play in some tourneys around the state and local area however I don't see this being a possibility if I don't figure out these kinks.

My Swing:
I am looking at areas of suggestion for all parts of my swing because I know it is far from perfect. The main things I would like to improve on include posture and how high my hands are coming into the ball (shallowing it out more). Posture wise something just looks off to me but I am not sure what it is. Besides this any tips regarding my swing and tips to improve are great and I thank you ahead of time.
Here is a swing with a 7 iron. I would like to keep this thread going and filled with swing changes. If there are any other angles that might be beneficial or of help just let me know and I will post them.

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  • MountainKingMountainKing Members Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    If you're a +1.6, nothing you do is average! At this stage in your game you'd probably be better off finding a local teacher to help refine the game a bit and not get advice from us!

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  • syenkocsyenkoc Members Posts: 178 ✭✭✭
    edited Jun 12, 2019 12:09am #3

    There are a lot of good things going on in this swing. I don't see anything posture related that warrants changing. In fact, I would be hard-pressed to suggest any major changes.

    The clubface is slightly shut at the top and coming into impact. There is nothing wrong with this per se, you just need to be aware of the kind of misses it can create. With better players, a shut face can lead to the odd disastrous snap hook, if they tend or try to play a draw. A bad swing with the club coming too far from the inside combined with a shut face, creates a screaming toe hook, as you get doubled-up on the gear effect. The easiest solution here is to make sure you don't miss from too far inside - commit to becoming a fader. Many high-speed, shut-face players (DJ, Brooks, Rahm, etc.) have gone this route.

  • laneholtlaneholt Members Posts: 605 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Jokes,
    If you want to shallow your DS to avoid the occasional pull and hook I suspect you are dealing with you only have ONE CHOICE — your HANDS, particularly your dominant right one. AKA - our external brain . The only part of your body that is attached to that lever , the ONLY CONTROL YOU HAVE OVER THAT LEVER!
    Very simple— just rotate your RIGHT THUMB CW at the very start of your DS . This will force your right elbow more into your right hip area and shallow you lever system. Kinda like a decent ball striker on tour named Garcia who can play a little. Might want to observe him closely.
    Lane

  • copperjeffcopperjeff Members Posts: 970 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do you have a Face on video as well?

    I assume misses are big blocks and/or hooks?

    At your level you need to be careful with the changes you make and where your efforts are placed.

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  • JokesJokes Members Posts: 154 ✭✭✭

    Thank you everyone for you replies.

    @copperjeff my main issues are blocks and hooks. I will get another video uploaded of face on

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  • golfinzgolfinz Members Posts: 13 ✭✭
    edited Jun 14, 2019 11:55pm #7

    Backswing is good, not much to see there. You have a lot of flexibility so one idea would be to limit your shoulder turn and try to maximize your arm swing (will help you stay connected-this will help my next point too). Your arms/hands are behind your hips on the downswing so a lot of your inconsistency comes from having to save the club face with your release. You're obviously a good play so your timing is on a lot of the times but when it's not, you're getting the wild ones.

    Watch Justin Rose this weekend and notice how he rehearses his downswing. He said he tries to have his back face the target as long as possible.

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  • JokesJokes Members Posts: 154 ✭✭✭

    @copperjeff Here is the face on video

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  • JokesJokes Members Posts: 154 ✭✭✭

    @syenkoc said:
    There are a lot of good things going on in this swing. I don't see anything posture related that warrants changing. In fact, I would be hard-pressed to suggest any major changes.

    The clubface is slightly shut at the top and coming into impact. There is nothing wrong with this per se, you just need to be aware of the kind of misses it can create. With better players, a shut face can lead to the odd disastrous snap hook, if they tend or try to play a draw. A bad swing with the club coming too far from the inside combined with a shut face, creates a screaming toe hook, as you get doubled-up on the gear effect. The easiest solution here is to make sure you don't miss from too far inside - commit to becoming a fader. Many high-speed, shut-face players (DJ, Brooks, Rahm, etc.) have gone this route.

    As you mentioned I do get the double toe hook occasionally which leads to some poor results. As far as becoming a fader I was thinking the same thing. I was at the US open the last four days and the number of players that fade vs draw the ball is insane. I’ve been practicing to get more from the outside but it’s been a long journey considering I’ve been playing a drag my whole life.

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  • copperjeffcopperjeff Members Posts: 970 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jokes The biggest issue in your swing is related to your hip movement. Your hip turn in the backswing seems very limited, then in the downswing they fire too quickly and not quite in the right way (the big slide forward). There are many reasons people use the hips the way you do, including for power, or trying to swing to right field, or trying to hit a draw, ect ect. I don't know if any of those are your intentions or not, but something to consider.

    The light turn in the backswing added to the big slide and right hip firing up and towards the target line quickly in the downswing is likely causing your right shoulder to drop significantly in the downswing, throwing the club under plane, which causes the hooks and blocks.

    First thing to work on is the hip turn in backswing, right hip needs to get deeper (away from target line in DTL view)

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  • JokesJokes Members Posts: 154 ✭✭✭

    @copperjeff said:
    @jokes The biggest issue in your swing is related to your hip movement. Your hip turn in the backswing seems very limited, then in the downswing they fire too quickly and not quite in the right way (the big slide forward). There are many reasons people use the hips the way you do, including for power, or trying to swing to right field, or trying to hit a draw, ect ect. I don't know if any of those are your intentions or not, but something to consider.

    The light turn in the backswing added to the big slide and right hip firing up and towards the target line quickly in the downswing is likely causing your right shoulder to drop significantly in the downswing, throwing the club under plane, which causes the hooks and blocks.

    First thing to work on is the hip turn in backswing, right hip needs to get deeper (away from target line in DTL view)

    If I were to guess I am using the hips like this for extra power. So basically you want more hip turn in the backswing along with the right hip firing level with the ground instead of upwards?

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  • JokesJokes Members Posts: 154 ✭✭✭

    @golfinz said:
    Backswing is good, not much to see there. You have a lot of flexibility so one idea would be to limit your shoulder turn and try to maximize your arm swing (will help you stay connected-this will help my next point too). Your arms/hands are behind your hips on the downswing so a lot of your inconsistency comes from having to save the club face with your release. You're obviously a good play so your timing is on a lot of the times but when it's not, you're getting the wild ones.

    Watch Justin Rose this weekend and notice how he rehearses his downswing. He said he tries to have his back face the target as long as possible.

    Looking at my swing I always thought it was the arms that are going too far back and not the shoulders over rotating. It would prevent me from getting stuck to get less shoulder turn and more arm dominant in this aspect of my swing?

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  • copperjeffcopperjeff Members Posts: 970 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jokes said:

    @copperjeff said:
    @jokes The biggest issue in your swing is related to your hip movement. Your hip turn in the backswing seems very limited, then in the downswing they fire too quickly and not quite in the right way (the big slide forward). There are many reasons people use the hips the way you do, including for power, or trying to swing to right field, or trying to hit a draw, ect ect. I don't know if any of those are your intentions or not, but something to consider.

    The light turn in the backswing added to the big slide and right hip firing up and towards the target line quickly in the downswing is likely causing your right shoulder to drop significantly in the downswing, throwing the club under plane, which causes the hooks and blocks.

    First thing to work on is the hip turn in backswing, right hip needs to get deeper (away from target line in DTL view)

    If I were to guess I am using the hips like this for extra power. So basically you want more hip turn in the backswing along with the right hip firing level with the ground instead of upwards?

    Not exactly..... check out this instagram post by Monte Scheinblum ....

    Explains hip movement quite well.

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  • copperjeffcopperjeff Members Posts: 970 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jokes said:

    @golfinz said:
    Backswing is good, not much to see there. You have a lot of flexibility so one idea would be to limit your shoulder turn and try to maximize your arm swing (will help you stay connected-this will help my next point too). Your arms/hands are behind your hips on the downswing so a lot of your inconsistency comes from having to save the club face with your release. You're obviously a good play so your timing is on a lot of the times but when it's not, you're getting the wild ones.

    Watch Justin Rose this weekend and notice how he rehearses his downswing. He said he tries to have his back face the target as long as possible.

    Looking at my swing I always thought it was the arms that are going too far back and not the shoulders over rotating. It would prevent me from getting stuck to get less shoulder turn and more arm dominant in this aspect of my swing?

    I believe he is referring to downswing not backswing. Either way, your hips are way out in front.

    Start with the deeper hip turn in the backswing, and just that. If you try and put too much into your swing too quickly you will ruin any chance you have at playing golf while the swing adjusts.

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  • golfinzgolfinz Members Posts: 13 ✭✭
    edited Jun 15, 2019 10:00pm #15

    @Jokes said:

    @golfinz said:
    Backswing is good, not much to see there. You have a lot of flexibility so one idea would be to limit your shoulder turn and try to maximize your arm swing (will help you stay connected-this will help my next point too). Your arms/hands are behind your hips on the downswing so a lot of your inconsistency comes from having to save the club face with your release. You're obviously a good play so your timing is on a lot of the times but when it's not, you're getting the wild ones.

    Watch Justin Rose this weekend and notice how he rehearses his downswing. He said he tries to have his back face the target as long as possible.

    Looking at my swing I always thought it was the arms that are going too far back and not the shoulders over rotating. It would prevent me from getting stuck to get less shoulder turn and more arm dominant in this aspect of my swing?

    I think the reason your hands/arms are so far behind your body is that your arms, at the top of your swing, have rotated or moved too far (I have the same issue). Your movement to the ball is athletic and strong but your arms/hands are disconnected from your lower body. Imho, if you try to limit your shoulder turn you will naturally keep your arms/hands more in front of your chest/body.

  • laneholtlaneholt Members Posts: 605 ✭✭✭✭✭

    JOKES,
    Some more FACTS for you—-
    The lever system formed by the world’s greatest players by PULLING the hands up and around the torso to “ STRETCH the left side LAT and back muscles ( those stretched muscles used to PULL your lever back down and around to provide the ONLY POWER ) is / was — ALWAYS BEHIND THE TORSO ON THEIR DS. AKA - the dog wagging the tail.
    I will never understand how this , “ you got the club STUCK BEHIND YOU and this will cause the HANDS to throw and hook the ball !” Let’s just observe a few who gets it STUCK behind their torso and they can play a little. — Ben Hogan, Sergio Garcia, Ricky Fowler, Rory . I could name thousands more, but these seem to work.
    And these players DON’T duck hook it. They can move it left or right anytime they desire. I would urge everyone trying to learn this great game to use their skills of observation instead of regurgitated opinion and theory.
    Lane

    players don’t

  • laneholtlaneholt Members Posts: 605 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Jokes,
    Another thought for you. You ONLY have 2/10 second to perform the Downswing. Since the Human brain can ONLY contain and perform ONE action in this short period of time, what is that thought to be ? Is it your hips, feet, elbows, knees , etc . Have you ever thought about these when you walk ? What is the only part of the Human that is attached to the lever / shaft ? What else could possibly control the movement of the club face?
    Just asking !
    Lane

  • MountainKingMountainKing Members Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @laneholt said:
    JOKES,
    Some more FACTS for you—-
    The lever system formed by the world’s greatest players by PULLING the hands up and around the torso to “ STRETCH the left side LAT and back muscles ( those stretched muscles used to PULL your lever back down and around to provide the ONLY POWER ) is / was — ALWAYS BEHIND THE TORSO ON THEIR DS. AKA - the dog wagging the tail.
    I will never understand how this , “ you got the club STUCK BEHIND YOU and this will cause the HANDS to throw and hook the ball !” Let’s just observe a few who gets it STUCK behind their torso and they can play a little. — Ben Hogan, Sergio Garcia, Ricky Fowler, Rory . I could name thousands more, but these seem to work.
    And these players DON’T duck hook it. They can move it left or right anytime they desire. I would urge everyone trying to learn this great game to use their skills of observation instead of regurgitated opinion and theory.
    Lane

    players don’t

    Where do you come up with this nonsense? Getting the club stuck will indeed cause exactly that, there's thousands of videos out there proving it. None of those guys you mentioned end up stuck unless it's a bad swing.

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  • shoot4parshoot4par Life's A Course 412ClubWRX Posts: 161 ClubWRX
    edited Jun 16, 2019 7:23pm #19

    If you are only hitting one to two bad shots a round maybe those shots should be seen as outliers? You should chart them and think about those swings. Are they swings where you have more tension or are under pressure? Is there any pattern on where these shots occur? If you're playing at +1.2 you are getting it done with the swing and it may be a mental issue not a mechanics problem. As AP said swing your swing you're not a single digit guy who has consistency issues you're dealing with anomalies.

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  • JokesJokes Members Posts: 154 ✭✭✭

    @copperjeff said:

    @Jokes said:

    @copperjeff said:
    @jokes The biggest issue in your swing is related to your hip movement. Your hip turn in the backswing seems very limited, then in the downswing they fire too quickly and not quite in the right way (the big slide forward). There are many reasons people use the hips the way you do, including for power, or trying to swing to right field, or trying to hit a draw, ect ect. I don't know if any of those are your intentions or not, but something to consider.

    The light turn in the backswing added to the big slide and right hip firing up and towards the target line quickly in the downswing is likely causing your right shoulder to drop significantly in the downswing, throwing the club under plane, which causes the hooks and blocks.

    First thing to work on is the hip turn in backswing, right hip needs to get deeper (away from target line in DTL view)

    If I were to guess I am using the hips like this for extra power. So basically you want more hip turn in the backswing along with the right hip firing level with the ground instead of upwards?

    Not exactly..... check out this instagram post by Monte Scheinblum ....

    Explains hip movement quite well.

    I worked on the hips today and eliminated any chance of going left which is nice. I am hitting huge slices with my driver however... is this getting exaggerating now with the over-rotation of my shoulders and hips working more correct?

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  • copperjeffcopperjeff Members Posts: 970 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Jun 17, 2019 3:26am #21

    @Jokes I saw no issue with how much rotation you have in your shoulders in the backswing.

    My advice is to hit 100 yard shots with your 7 iron while working on the hips. Making swing changes and immediately trying to implement them into driver is difficult.

    I have my suspicion of whats happening with your driver if your hips are moving like they should, but I want to see video first just in case my hunch is wrong.

    Edit: Also, changing the way your hips move is a BIG change, and will likely take a bit of effort. Certainly more than a day or two. However, eliminating the lefts is likely very good news, PLEASE get some video showing you working on the hip changes and post it up or PM me with the link.

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  • laneholtlaneholt Members Posts: 605 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Jokes,
    IMO, concentrating on HIP movement is like practicing how I am going to walk today. Which foot am I going to put forth first to start ? What is the distance between my feet when I walk ? I doubt if you Have EVER given that any thought BC our brain is NOT concerned about our feet or HIPS. They are in our subconscious genetic design and their is no need to consciously try to control them. Name me ONE sport you played where your hips were your main focus. If you request this of your brain it will obey and you may have the best looking hip movement in the history of mankind, BUT YOU WILL NEVER HAVE A DECENT GOLF SWING BECAUSE THE DOMINANT PART OF YOUR BODY ( those thingies on the ends of you arms that attach to the end of that lever/ shaft — our HANDS that control body movement ) will “ A L W A Y S “ roll over , turn down and ruin your golf shot if not trained and left unattended !
    Not interested in berating anyone about their theories or opinion. Just posting some FACTS that can easily be confirmed with some simple research !
    Wishing you Good luck,

    Lane

  • MountainKingMountainKing Members Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @laneholt said:
    Jokes,
    IMO, concentrating on HIP movement is like practicing how I am going to walk today. Which foot am I going to put forth first to start ? What is the distance between my feet when I walk ? I doubt if you Have EVER given that any thought BC our brain is NOT concerned about our feet or HIPS. They are in our subconscious genetic design and their is no need to consciously try to control them. Name me ONE sport you played where your hips were your main focus. If you request this of your brain it will obey and you may have the best looking hip movement in the history of mankind, BUT YOU WILL NEVER HAVE A DECENT GOLF SWING BECAUSE THE DOMINANT PART OF YOUR BODY ( those thingies on the ends of you arms that attach to the end of that lever/ shaft — our HANDS that control body movement ) will “ A L W A Y S “ roll over , turn down and ruin your golf shot if not trained and left unattended !
    Not interested in berating anyone about their theories or opinion. Just posting some FACTS that can easily be confirmed with some simple research !
    Wishing you Good luck,

    Lane

    First, this dude has a really good swing already, given his skill he shouldn't be taking advice from you or really anybody here that isn't an instructor, but then again there's a lot of guys here who have some great advice from teachers they've worked with over the years or even learning from some of the great teachers that do post here. At his level everything he's going to do is just going to be small refinements and should be done with somebody watching his ball flight.

    You practice certain movements so it becomes "muscle memory" so you don't have to think about it, they just become reactionary to other movements. In sports when you break it down to fundamentals that's exactly what you're doing, learning how to walk again.

    Hips play a huge role in numerous sports. In hockey you need proper hip movement for skating and shooting a puck (which is very similar to a golf swing), in baseball you use your hips in the swing to create power and control. In golf a proper hip movement is critical, there's a reason all tour guys have very similar movements in their hip turn back and hip turn through. I can't think of a single sport where hips don't play a roll somewhere.

    You don't request this movement from your brain when you're on the course, you train yourself and practice enough to where the movements become natural. It might be having to sit on the range making 1000 half swings just focusing on hip movements at first, but you train yourself until it becomes natural. There's a reason no teacher in the world teaches golf the way you talk about it. It's nonsense and it won't work. Even teachers who teach an arm swing still teach proper body mechanics because you can't get the club into certain positions without them. Swinging with just your hands will result in poor shoulder turn and probably a really killer cast straight from the top and zero power. I'm really curious what your swing looks like with all the nonsense you spout here.

    To the OP, like @copperjeff stated, use a shorter club to work on swing changes, not the driver!

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  • laneholtlaneholt Members Posts: 605 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Jokes,
    I am not replying to others who are quick to criticize and argue. However, some opinion , theory and myths regurgitated over the years by less than informed folks need to be put to bed. Their is no such thing as “ muscle memory !” Muscles don’t have * memory chips * in them . ONLY OUR BRAIN has memory and it is constantly sending signals to our body to perform billions of task for us. Most are in our subconscious and we never concern ourselves with them. However, the golf swing is NOT one of those. It is against our ALL POWERFUL genetic design and a learned task. It will NEVER be a natural action BC our HANDS will ALWAYS revert back to their natural genetic design , roll over, turn down and ruin our golf shot. Our dominant right hand will roll 270 degrees CCW from a palm up position and our left HAND will do the same in the opposite CW direction. There in lies the problem . Approx. 80 % of our brain is dedicated to our RIGHT HAND . Our external brain and their is a direct line from our brain to our right hand. As I have stated previously the HANDS MUST not be used to — HIT. That is NOT their job. They are just attached to the end of your arms to HOLD the butt end of the lever .They are directors and the human body will obey their commands without questioning.
    If you DON’T preprogram your intent before you pull that shaft back your RIGHT HAND / RIGHT THUMB will roll over CCW and you already know what happens then. The dominant RIGHT HAND must be taught to perform a task ( this golf swing thingie ) that is totally foreign and unnatural to HUMAN GENETICS. Control the HANDS and you control the golf swing.
    Nothing easy about this game. It is a learned action.
    Good luck

    Lane

  • MountainKingMountainKing Members Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/muscle-memory

    No such thing of something that has thousands of articles written by tons of scientists....

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  • laneholtlaneholt Members Posts: 605 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MK,
    Thanks for the link. I enjoyed what I read and I will read more later. However, I don’t think it applies to a golf swing that takes less than one second and a DS that takes 2/10 seconds. I would suggest that some of the illustrations used in the article referred to as * muscle memory * might be subconscious actions, but I will not attempt to change your mind.
    I have just taught many good players to play beyond their expectations BC I have an understanding of the Human Genetics involved. When we attach a shaft / lever to our HANDS we become a part of a very intricate lever system —- and the HANDS ARE THE ONLY CONTROL WE HAVE OVER IT.
    Wishing you great success in golf.

    Lane

  • MountainKingMountainKing Members Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    The same applies to any sport which you train for certain movements and ****, like the article says, it applies to walking. You don't think about it when you walk. When I teach somebody how to skate, you have to teach proper hip movements especially to skate backwards and turn correctly or otherwise you'll fall right on your a**. You keep practicing it until the feel becomes as simple as walking, you don't think about because you don't have time to think about it, you just make it so it's natural.

    With what your'e explaining, you're essentially dismissing what every great teacher teaches in the golf swing. The hands are you're connection to the club, they're the first thing that will get feed back from the club. I'm not sure how genetics plays a role in swinging the club, unless we're going to inject the genes of Hogan into each one of us, but I guess we'll go with that. If you swing solely with your dominant hand, I'd be willing to bet most people will end up swinging off plane and not have enough shoulder or hip rotation going back. Yank that "lever" down from the top and the only way you'd get back to the ball is with a nice cast, but more than likely instead of yanking down you'll end up seeing most people just throw that club right over the top and at the ball. You train certain movements until that feel becomes natural and you don't need to think about it, call it muscle memory or whatever you want, but that's how it works. Anyway, not sure why I'm bothering, you seem **** bent on this hands swing. However, for a player like this who already has a great game, I would advise avoiding this big time.

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  • laneholtlaneholt Members Posts: 605 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MK,
    If you don’t know a Neurologist to ask about this you can Google * Cortical Homunculus* In Wikipedia and do your own research.
    Best,

    Lane

  • laneholtlaneholt Members Posts: 605 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MK,
    If you observe Hogan closely you will notice the palm of his right hand stayed looking upward during his entire DS. He PULLED his lever down and around without ANY intention of HITTING or RELEASING . You might also note that when his shaft was parallel to the ground in his DS he had still maintained almost the entire approx. 90 degree angle between his arms and shaft. Apparently his intention was not to throw the head of the club at the ball ? You can NOT create power in the DS. As I have clearly stated the HANDS MUST NOT BE USED FOR POWER? They have none.
    Thanks for your reply,

    Lane

  • JokesJokes Members Posts: 154 ✭✭✭

    Question: how does the shoulder movement work in the swing? Is it similar to the hips it completely different movement all together?

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  • MountainKingMountainKing Members Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jokes said:
    Question: how does the shoulder movement work in the swing? Is it similar to the hips it completely different movement all together?

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