What set of GI clubs have the largest gaps between lofts?

HertsjoatmonHertsjoatmon HertfordshireMembers Posts: 211 ✭✭

I follow the minimalist golf thread on here and like the stress free approach of fewer clubs in the bag but find the gaps between having every other club in the bag to large (ie p,8,6,4 iron with around 8* loft differences).
Is there a set with more traditional lofts in the wedge end but much stronger lofts in the long irons so that I could carry 1 or 2 less clubs but with a slightly larger gapping most sets?
I hit a rogue x today and realised the 7 iron was the same loft as my 6 iron, but then I realised that the PW in that set was 41. id like a PW of around 44 and then 6* gaps or so up to about 30/28*.
I'm guessing what i'm asking for is not available but I thought id give it a try anyway.

11.5 - Driver - Callaway GBB (animal style) - Speeder 665 R  @ 44.5" [long T]
15 - Mini Dr - Bertha Mini 1.5 - Motore 70 R @ 42.5" - D2.5 [safe T]
20 - Fairway - Big Bertha - Kuru Kage Silver 70 R @ 41.5" - D2 [long fairway]
23.5 - Fairway - F7 - Fujuka Pro 65 S (butt trimmed) @ 40.5 D1.5 [safe fairway]
27 - Hybrid - Big Bertha OS - Kuru Kage Silver 80 R 38.5" D1.5
32 & 36 - hybiron / 40 & 45 - cavity back - Adams Idea ('14) - Ping AWT 2.0 R - D3
50/ 54 / 58 / 64 - wedges - Cleveland CB 2.0 * 2 / Cleveland Smart Sole 3.0 s / Callaway Sure Out
Odyssey O’Works 2 Ball fang - MAGNA supersoft – Sun Mountain Combo Cart / Bag
90-95 Driver swing speed (up 10mph from last year)

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  • agolf1agolf1 Members Posts: 987 ✭✭

    I don't know of anything with 6 degree gaps.

    The Ping G series of recent times can get you roughly 5 degrees between clubs from around 50 (UW) to 30 (7-iron). The loft gap starts to compress after that. I think you could get to 25 on the next club by bending the 6 iron 1.5 degrees strong.

    Titleist 915 D4 10.5*, Diamana S+ Blue 60 S-Flex
    Callaway X Hot Pro 19* Fairway, Project X Velocity 6.0
    TaylorMade Raylor 22*, Raylor RE*AX S-Flex
    Ping G25 5-PW (25*-44*), UW (49*), SW (54*), CFS R-Flex
    Ping Zing 2 L/S (57*)
    Ping Cadence TR Ketsch Putter
  • HertsjoatmonHertsjoatmon HertfordshireMembers Posts: 211 ✭✭

    @agolf1 said:
    I don't know of anything with 6 degree gaps.

    The Ping G series of recent times can get you roughly 5 degrees between clubs from around 50 (UW) to 30 (7-iron). The loft gap starts to compress after that. I think you could get to 25 on the next club by bending the 6 iron 1.5 degrees strong.

    I have a Ping G Cross over I could use as my 25. Cheers.

    11.5 - Driver - Callaway GBB (animal style) - Speeder 665 R  @ 44.5" [long T]
    15 - Mini Dr - Bertha Mini 1.5 - Motore 70 R @ 42.5" - D2.5 [safe T]
    20 - Fairway - Big Bertha - Kuru Kage Silver 70 R @ 41.5" - D2 [long fairway]
    23.5 - Fairway - F7 - Fujuka Pro 65 S (butt trimmed) @ 40.5 D1.5 [safe fairway]
    27 - Hybrid - Big Bertha OS - Kuru Kage Silver 80 R 38.5" D1.5
    32 & 36 - hybiron / 40 & 45 - cavity back - Adams Idea ('14) - Ping AWT 2.0 R - D3
    50/ 54 / 58 / 64 - wedges - Cleveland CB 2.0 * 2 / Cleveland Smart Sole 3.0 s / Callaway Sure Out
    Odyssey O’Works 2 Ball fang - MAGNA supersoft – Sun Mountain Combo Cart / Bag
    90-95 Driver swing speed (up 10mph from last year)

  • TasalsTasals Members Posts: 312 ✭✭

    srixon 585s Pw - 44*, 9 - 39*, 8 - 35*, 7 - 31* and you can then bend them strong to get your 5-6* loft gaps.

  • MyherobobhopeMyherobobhope hey there, blimpy boy. Flying through the sky so fancy free. Members Posts: 2,105 ✭✭

    I've been thinking about this a decent amount, and my concern would be how low lofted the bottom of the bag ended up... every degree you add compounds itself as you move further away from the top of the bag... Starting with a 40 degree 9 iron... 4 degrees is 20 total degrees between 9 and 4 iron (20 degree 4 iron) and 5 degrees is 25 total degrees (15 degree 4 iron)... With the 5 degree gaps, you'd probably want to stop at the 5 iron, which is now lofted like a four but with a 5 iron shaft... I don't know, it gets weird for me at this point. I am not a club buider!

    Honestly, I think if you want a wider gap in your irons, getting custom fit and built clubs would be the way to go.

    Current Bag (Rebuilding as of 5/6/19)
    Driver: Adams Fast 12 LS with Matrix Black Tie (to be replaced)
    3W: Adams Fast 12 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    Hybrid: Bridgestone j40 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    4-9: Taylor Made Oversize (to be replaced)
    PW: Mizuon HMP with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    50 degree Vokey with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    56 and 60 degree Cleveland Wedges (to be replaced)
    Odyssey Tank #7 (only club I'm keeping this season)

  • HertsjoatmonHertsjoatmon HertfordshireMembers Posts: 211 ✭✭
    edited Jun 12, 2019 7:34pm #6

    @Myherobobhope said:
    I've been thinking about this a decent amount, and my concern would be how low lofted the bottom of the bag ended up... every degree you add compounds itself as you move further away from the top of the bag... Starting with a 40 degree 9 iron... 4 degrees is 20 total degrees between 9 and 4 iron (20 degree 4 iron) and 5 degrees is 25 total degrees (15 degree 4 iron)... With the 5 degree gaps, you'd probably want to stop at the 5 iron, which is now lofted like a four but with a 5 iron shaft... I don't know, it gets weird for me at this point. I am not a club buider!

    Honestly, I think if you want a wider gap in your irons, getting custom fit and built clubs would be the way to go.

    In those situations, I'd drop the 5 iron and then I can carry an extra wedge. As a 90mph swing speed it my short game that need more precision than my long game. As such I'd carry a 64 a 58 54 and 50 wedge as that's were I'm most likely to gain and lose most of my shots or just carry less clubs since I don't have the speed to get distance with low lofted clubs. Or just a 58 and 52 if I'm travelling light

    11.5 - Driver - Callaway GBB (animal style) - Speeder 665 R  @ 44.5" [long T]
    15 - Mini Dr - Bertha Mini 1.5 - Motore 70 R @ 42.5" - D2.5 [safe T]
    20 - Fairway - Big Bertha - Kuru Kage Silver 70 R @ 41.5" - D2 [long fairway]
    23.5 - Fairway - F7 - Fujuka Pro 65 S (butt trimmed) @ 40.5 D1.5 [safe fairway]
    27 - Hybrid - Big Bertha OS - Kuru Kage Silver 80 R 38.5" D1.5
    32 & 36 - hybiron / 40 & 45 - cavity back - Adams Idea ('14) - Ping AWT 2.0 R - D3
    50/ 54 / 58 / 64 - wedges - Cleveland CB 2.0 * 2 / Cleveland Smart Sole 3.0 s / Callaway Sure Out
    Odyssey O’Works 2 Ball fang - MAGNA supersoft – Sun Mountain Combo Cart / Bag
    90-95 Driver swing speed (up 10mph from last year)

  • MyherobobhopeMyherobobhope hey there, blimpy boy. Flying through the sky so fancy free. Members Posts: 2,105 ✭✭

    You can definitely make it work, I just don't think off the rack sets are necessarily designed to do what you are looking for.
    I'm willing to bet if you find a Wishon fitter, they could build a fairly interesting set up for you.
    I think it make s a ton of sense to have gaps increase as the length of the club increases, I just have no idea how to build that into a playable set.

    Current Bag (Rebuilding as of 5/6/19)
    Driver: Adams Fast 12 LS with Matrix Black Tie (to be replaced)
    3W: Adams Fast 12 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    Hybrid: Bridgestone j40 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    4-9: Taylor Made Oversize (to be replaced)
    PW: Mizuon HMP with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    50 degree Vokey with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    56 and 60 degree Cleveland Wedges (to be replaced)
    Odyssey Tank #7 (only club I'm keeping this season)

  • ChipNRunChipNRun Members Posts: 1,313 ✭✭

    When rejuvenated Hogan line first appeared 2016, the company came up with an innovative idea: Early PTx and and Ft. Worth iron models offered lofts in one-degree increments from 20° up to 48° (?) - you could select any mix you wanted.

    At an expo demo day, I told the Hogan rep I was considering selecting 22°, 27° and 32° at the long end of the bag, and then picking up four-degree loft increments up through the wedges. The Hogan guy said this would be an excellent way to squeeze out a club at the long end, and make sure I had tight gaps in the scoring clubs.

    Unfortunately, Hogan decided to go with a set mix of 4° loft increments, starting at 22° for their longest standard numbered iron. Pick and choose no longer available.

    Lofting Options in several Ping irons might be your best bet. If you took the i210 irons https://ping.com/clubs/irons/i210 and worked your way among the Standard, Retro and Power lofts, you could get something like this:

    What's In The Bag *...

    Driver: Calla XR16 Pro 10.5° (set open) / Fuji Evolution II TS Speeder 665 R-flex 63 gr.
    FWs: Tour Edge XRail 4W + 7W / GraphiteDesign G60 R-flex 60 gr.
    or Calla Alpha 815, set 16° + 20° / Fuji Motore Speeder 665 R-flex 62 gr.
    Hybrid: Cobra FlyZ 3H 19° + 4H 22° / Matrix VLCT Altus Lite flex 73 gr.
    Irons: Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i - PW** / KBS Tour 90 R-flex 101 gr. (As of 21 Nov 2018)
    Wedge: Calla MD3 48°/8.SS + 54°/12.WS +
    MD.PM 60°/10  | KBS Tour R-flex 110 gr. |
    Putter: Slotline Inertial SL-583F / 34" w. SuperStroke 2.0 MidSlim grip
    Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag
    Ball: Calla SuperSoft
    * Either 7W or 3H left out, depending on course.
    ** Wedges: 46°and 48°are competing for bag space.
  • Johnny_FairwayJohnny_Fairway South Jersey (Philly Burbs)Members Posts: 554 ✭✭

    My single length irons have 5° gaps throughout. 50° PW and then 5° up or down from there for each iron. Works well for me, but unfortunately the set does not come that way anymore.

  • agolf1agolf1 Members Posts: 987 ✭✭

    @ChipNRun said:
    When rejuvenated Hogan line first appeared 2016, the company came up with an innovative idea: Early PTx and and Ft. Worth iron models offered lofts in one-degree increments from 20° up to 48° (?) - you could select any mix you wanted.

    At an expo demo day, I told the Hogan rep I was considering selecting 22°, 27° and 32° at the long end of the bag, and then picking up four-degree loft increments up through the wedges. The Hogan guy said this would be an excellent way to squeeze out a club at the long end, and make sure I had tight gaps in the scoring clubs.

    Unfortunately, Hogan decided to go with a set mix of 4° loft increments, starting at 22° for their longest standard numbered iron. Pick and choose no longer available.

    Lofting Options in several Ping irons might be your best bet. If you took the i210 irons https://ping.com/clubs/irons/i210 and worked your way among the Standard, Retro and Power lofts, you could get something like this:

    I've thought about this but wonder if the offset progression is going to be funny?

    Titleist 915 D4 10.5*, Diamana S+ Blue 60 S-Flex
    Callaway X Hot Pro 19* Fairway, Project X Velocity 6.0
    TaylorMade Raylor 22*, Raylor RE*AX S-Flex
    Ping G25 5-PW (25*-44*), UW (49*), SW (54*), CFS R-Flex
    Ping Zing 2 L/S (57*)
    Ping Cadence TR Ketsch Putter
  • ChipNRunChipNRun Members Posts: 1,313 ✭✭

    @agolf1 said:

    @ChipNRun said:
    Lofting Options in several Ping irons might be your best bet. If you took the i210 irons https://ping.com/clubs/irons/i210 and worked your way among the Standard, Retro and Power lofts, you could get something like this:

    I've thought about this but wonder if the offset progression is going to be funny?

    I wasn't aware minimalists worried about things like offset and bounce. Don't minimalists ask for rough whiskey in a dirty glass? ;)

    What's In The Bag *...

    Driver: Calla XR16 Pro 10.5° (set open) / Fuji Evolution II TS Speeder 665 R-flex 63 gr.
    FWs: Tour Edge XRail 4W + 7W / GraphiteDesign G60 R-flex 60 gr.
    or Calla Alpha 815, set 16° + 20° / Fuji Motore Speeder 665 R-flex 62 gr.
    Hybrid: Cobra FlyZ 3H 19° + 4H 22° / Matrix VLCT Altus Lite flex 73 gr.
    Irons: Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i - PW** / KBS Tour 90 R-flex 101 gr. (As of 21 Nov 2018)
    Wedge: Calla MD3 48°/8.SS + 54°/12.WS +
    MD.PM 60°/10  | KBS Tour R-flex 110 gr. |
    Putter: Slotline Inertial SL-583F / 34" w. SuperStroke 2.0 MidSlim grip
    Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag
    Ball: Calla SuperSoft
    * Either 7W or 3H left out, depending on course.
    ** Wedges: 46°and 48°are competing for bag space.
  • HertsjoatmonHertsjoatmon HertfordshireMembers Posts: 211 ✭✭

    Guy next to me at the range this lunch time had a Ping G-Max - yellow dot. CFS R shaft. Wow that thing was easy to hit!

    11.5 - Driver - Callaway GBB (animal style) - Speeder 665 R  @ 44.5" [long T]
    15 - Mini Dr - Bertha Mini 1.5 - Motore 70 R @ 42.5" - D2.5 [safe T]
    20 - Fairway - Big Bertha - Kuru Kage Silver 70 R @ 41.5" - D2 [long fairway]
    23.5 - Fairway - F7 - Fujuka Pro 65 S (butt trimmed) @ 40.5 D1.5 [safe fairway]
    27 - Hybrid - Big Bertha OS - Kuru Kage Silver 80 R 38.5" D1.5
    32 & 36 - hybiron / 40 & 45 - cavity back - Adams Idea ('14) - Ping AWT 2.0 R - D3
    50/ 54 / 58 / 64 - wedges - Cleveland CB 2.0 * 2 / Cleveland Smart Sole 3.0 s / Callaway Sure Out
    Odyssey O’Works 2 Ball fang - MAGNA supersoft – Sun Mountain Combo Cart / Bag
    90-95 Driver swing speed (up 10mph from last year)

  • HertsjoatmonHertsjoatmon HertfordshireMembers Posts: 211 ✭✭

    How's this for a set up?
    G400 - u to 8i - blue dot - std length
    G400 - 7i 30.5 - black dot - +1/4
    G700 - 6i 26* - black dot - +1/2
    Then on to my 22* hybrid
    That frees up the space I want for my extra wedge.
    Not quite suitable for my minimalist set up, but great for my main bag.
    Hoping to go hit some clubs at AG later

    11.5 - Driver - Callaway GBB (animal style) - Speeder 665 R  @ 44.5" [long T]
    15 - Mini Dr - Bertha Mini 1.5 - Motore 70 R @ 42.5" - D2.5 [safe T]
    20 - Fairway - Big Bertha - Kuru Kage Silver 70 R @ 41.5" - D2 [long fairway]
    23.5 - Fairway - F7 - Fujuka Pro 65 S (butt trimmed) @ 40.5 D1.5 [safe fairway]
    27 - Hybrid - Big Bertha OS - Kuru Kage Silver 80 R 38.5" D1.5
    32 & 36 - hybiron / 40 & 45 - cavity back - Adams Idea ('14) - Ping AWT 2.0 R - D3
    50/ 54 / 58 / 64 - wedges - Cleveland CB 2.0 * 2 / Cleveland Smart Sole 3.0 s / Callaway Sure Out
    Odyssey O’Works 2 Ball fang - MAGNA supersoft – Sun Mountain Combo Cart / Bag
    90-95 Driver swing speed (up 10mph from last year)

  • JustsomeguyJustsomeguy Members Posts: 1,029 ✭✭

    Not necessarily to your question, but the 716 Ap1 gaps are on the strange side, and have left me considering new irons.
    4i is 22*, which is surely a little strong.
    PW is 43*, which is way strong, and necessitates a "gap gap" wedge at 47 that the set calls a "W," to differentiate it from the "W52," which is the 52* gap wedge.
    It pisses me off bc if I'm playing 14 clubs, I've got to drop either a lob wedge (don't want to drop the 56), or one of either a 3w or 3h.
    So ... don't consider the ap1. It's the opposite of what you want. Very bunched up on the short end.

    Cobra F9 10.5* Project X Evenflow Blue 65 - CAMO!
    Titleist 915F 15* Diamana S+ Blue 70, R
    Titleist 915H 20* Diamana S+ Blue 70, R
    Titleist 716 AP1 4-W52, Kuro Kage Tini 65, S
    Cleveland CBX, 56*/12, Rotex Graphite Wedge Flex
    Cleveland Smart Square Blade
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