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G400 MAX to G410 PLUS .... back to G400 MAX

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ladahlladahl Members  6917WRX Points: 148Handicap: 6.7Posts: 6,917 Titanium Tees
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Soooooo.... I have been on the Callaway driver bus since as long as I can recall. I would try others (LOTS ), and always find a Callaway model that fit the bill best.

Off the top of my head, here's what I've had in that slot recently (400 Max, Rogue SZ, Epic SZ, Big Bertha- black matte?, G30 LST, XR SZ, Big Bertha-navy?)

Anyway- the 400 MAX has been firmly in the slot since late Fall 2018, and I have NEVER had as many good driving rounds.
FFWD last week: Out of no where, My driver swing goes sideways... So how to I attempt o fix it? Order a 410+... ha. Anyways, I get the head and can't wait to do a direct head-to-head test vs. the 400M. What?! a different adapter?! UGH... FFWD: Order an adapter and shaft-up the exact same shaft I have in my 400M for the 410+... By now this is getting pricey.

Shaft it up, and it comes in at like C8. My current 400M plays at D3. FFWD: Order another 410 weight ( I decide on a 12 gram: that'll give be plenty - There's already a 14 gram on it). It arrives, and it comes in at D6 --- Not bad, but a little heavy ---- Grind off some weight from the new 12 gram I ordered --- Making it 8 grams.. and viola it's now D4 and I LIKE it. Also had to loft the 410 up a click foe some reason to get the most out of it (400 10.5, 410 11)

testing doors, test outside

After all that, the verdict is:

  • Pretty Similar numbers - 410 more muted sound than the 400 - 410 I would say more forgiving, but hat could just be the "new toy" factor (concentrating more) -

Soooooooooooooooooo - both great clubs - Wasted time and money, but now I have anew driver :neutral:

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  • ladahlladahl Members  6917WRX Points: 148Handicap: 6.7Posts: 6,917 Titanium Tees
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    A few pics






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    PXG Gen2 0811X PX HZRDUS Smoke Yellow 60X
    '16 TM M2 16.5* HL Veylix Rome 888 
    Callaway Mavrick #3H KBS Proto 85
    PXG 0311X Black #4 KBS Proto 95
    PXG 0311 Black 5/6/7 0311T Black 8/9/W Aerotech SteelFiber 95 S
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  • MattM97MattM97 Members  1428WRX Points: 639Posts: 1,428 Platinum Tees
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    Huh I like that double weight in the 410, maybe I'll tinker a bit with one on mine but I don't want to mess too much, it's grooving right now for me.

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  • lordemsworthlordemsworth Members  1399WRX Points: 181Posts: 1,399 Platinum Tees
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    I’m sort of happy for you - but reading your post made me cringe a little bit - you spent a lot of money to find out there wasn’t any benefit.
    Our site may suffer a meltdown!
    :)

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  • NessismNessism To measure is to know... Members  19649WRX Points: 1,703Posts: 19,649 Titanium Tees
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    Having the adjustable weight can't hurt and the better sound is always good. The 410 is supposed to have really nice face tech too. PM me if you want to let go of the Gmax head (for a reasonable price). I'm a tinkerer too and would like to do a head to head (ha ha) against my regular G400. ;)

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    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 5 wood w/Aldila Rogue Black 70S
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    Ping G410 irons w/Recoil 95S
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  • woods991woods991 believelandClubWRX  2591WRX Points: 187Handicap: 11Posts: 2,591 Titanium Tees
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    I was in the same boat but now back to the 400. Something magically about the 400 max as many staff and non staff players still using the 400. Anyway the 410 is nice but for whatever reason I was driving the best ever with the 400 and had to try all of the new drivers out and now back to the 400 slightly short of some other offerings but when dialed in as long I have found. But the amount of fairways with good distance is incredible.

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  • OldboyOldboy Members  2518WRX Points: 250Posts: 2,518 Titanium Tees
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    Actually it seems to be quite the opposite if you look at the PING tour staff webpage. The majority have switched to the 410. I only mention it cos it’s one of the first things I look for when new models are released

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  • woods991woods991 believelandClubWRX  2591WRX Points: 187Handicap: 11Posts: 2,591 Titanium Tees
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    The site isn’t always updated but yes a lot switched but their are a ton really playing the 400 series.

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  • RainShadowRainShadow Tucson AZ (for now)Members  4268WRX Points: 544Handicap: 8.2Posts: 4,268 Titanium Tees
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    I tried the 410 against the regular 400 and found little difference other than sound. Didn't care for the 400max as it was too loud. This was at a Ping fitting at Papago and I hit alot of balls.
    Having the best driving rounds of my life right now with the G400/ HZRDUS yellow combo. Long enough and fairway misses are rarely more than a couple yards if it was a decent swing.

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    Ping G400 10.5 (9.5) Hzrdus Yellow 75 5.5
    Callaway Rogue 17* 4wd Atmos Blue TS 70  
    Ping G410 19*, 22* & 26* Tensei CK Pro Blue 80
    Cobra Forged Tec Black 6-GW SteelFiber i95CW R (2019 Forged Tec Modus 105 R trial run ) 
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    Vokey SM7 58/8 M 
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    I didn’t hit the 410 any better than the Max, so it was an easy decision to do nothing except continue to hit fairways.

    The 410 had unfinished look to me that I didn’t like, anyway. I was almost irrationally bothered by the lack of a sliding mechanism and the open holes in the unused positions. It seems years behind the weight systems of other OEM’s.

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    Driver: Ping G400 Max 10.5*
    Fairway: Epic Flash 14* & 20*
    Hybrid: Ping G410 22*
    Irons: TaylorMade M CGB 6-SW
    Wedges: Callaway PM Grind 59* and 64*
    Putter: TaylorMade Spider Mini 
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    reading the original post the g400 max is so forgiving so not sure on how the 410 is more forgiving, but to each their own! I hit the 410 and found the max more forgiving, but a tad shorter!

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  • Sonja HenieSonja Henie Members  317WRX Points: 114Handicap: 7.5Posts: 317 Greens
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    Love the 400 Max and want to hold onto it as long as possible. Never hit so many good drives. Love the sound too.

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    Ping G400 3 Wood 14.5*
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    Srixon Z545 (4-5), Srixon Z765 (6-7), Srixon Z945 (8-PW)
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  • ladahlladahl Members  6917WRX Points: 148Handicap: 6.7Posts: 6,917 Titanium Tees
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    Well.. After concluding their really wasn't a big difference, I decided to shaft-up the 400 with another shaft I had around (not the Veylix), and put it on eBay (sold for $225 quickly), and I will be going with the 410, just because...

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    Swing issue solved, the GolfWRX way ... well done B)
    I updated my G20 to a G400 Max this year and accuracy is so good I've had no driver ho thoughts whatsoever

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    On -, @golftejas said:

    Swing issue solved, the GolfWRX way ... well done B)
    I updated my G20 to a G400 Max this year and accuracy is so good I've had no driver ho thoughts whatsoever

    I’m sorry but to have no thoughts of changing the driver is nonsense. I’d be really scared if I ever get here. lol. Good for you though. The 400max is a great club. Ping is producing some very nice drivers of late.

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    Hmmm. I’ve had the G410 for a couple of months and always felt it was a little lite in the head. I had not thought about a two weight system in it. Now the gears are grinding. Thx for posting.

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    On -, @shakey said:

    Hmmm. I’ve had the G410 for a couple of months and always felt it was a little lite in the head. I had not thought about a two weight system in it. Now the gears are grinding. Thx for posting.

    I thought the 410 was one of the heaviest on the market at 204g ish.

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    Get yourself a Rogue!

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    G400 max has been the most consistent driver and the longest of anything I’ve had in the bag - that includes M2, Epic Sz, g400 standard, 917, Cobra F8+

    It will be staying in the bag for a very long time, I’ve tried it against M5, M6 and flash... it made my appreciate the Max even more!!

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    Like an idiot, I sold my G400 Max with a HZRDUS Yellow 76 6.0 last winter. Went to the G410 and really liked it initially but other than the muted sound, the G400 Max seemed nearly as long and to me, more forgiving. Sold that G410 and went to look for my old setup...dang near impossible. The prices were outrageous. Tried a few others in the mean time, but the Max was always on my radar to repurchase. Came across a killer deal on another 410 so threw that back in the bag....then FINALLY a great deal on my same Max setup came up on eBay. Unfortunately, I am hitting the 410 great right now so not sure what to do.

    Regardless, and I haven't liked a Ping prior to the Max, but that is the unicorn. One of the best drivers ever produced.

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    Ping G410 Plus - Tensei Orange
    910Fd - Bi-Matrix
    Cobra F7 Hybrid - Tour Green
    Cobra Black Forged Tec 4-PW - AMT S300
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    On -, @ian-500 said:

    On -, @shakey said:

    Hmmm. I’ve had the G410 for a couple of months and always felt it was a little lite in the head. I had not thought about a two weight system in it. Now the gears are grinding. Thx for posting.

    I thought the 410 was one of the heaviest on the market at 204g

    My previous Nike and TM drivers all had a SW near D5 or 6. Ping is lite compared to them.

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    I notice that many of the drivers in the first post are low spin compared to the G400 Max. My rental clubs a couple weeks ago in Vegas came with a G400 Max and I was excited to try it based on the glowing reviews like the ones in this thread. It's not for me. I just hit high fly balls all day with it. I've been fit into low spin drivers so I'm not surprised the Max wasn't for me but I'm curious why you tried so many low spin drivers if the Max is your best fit.

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    So after some battles with the 410 I am back to the Max and put in a Tour Ad TP 6 shaft and wow! Love this head I have tried every driver this year and back to old faithful!

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    410 plus has been longer for me than the max but I have never compared them with the same shaft. I have the Project X HZRDS Smoke in my 410 and it’s unreal. Best combo I’ve had in a while.

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    On -, @shakey said:

    Hmmm. I’ve had the G410 for a couple of months and always felt it was a little lite in the head. I had not thought about a two weight system in it. Now the gears are grinding. Thx for posting.

    Would hot melt be an easy way to increase swing weight and also improve the sound and feel too?

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    Callaway Epic Flash, 17 degree, HzRDUS Smoke 70 stiff
    Callaway Rogue, 21 degree, Diamana BF 80 stiff
    TaylorMade GAPR Hi 24, KBS TGI 80 stiff

    Srixon z765 (5-7(, z965 (8-P) Fujikura 95i TS stiff
    Callaway MD4 50 S grind, 54 W grind
    Ben Hogan Ft. Worth TK 58
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    On -, @golftejas said:

    Swing issue solved, the GolfWRX way ... well done B)
    I updated my G20 to a G400 Max this year and accuracy is so good I've had no driver ho thoughts whatsoever

    I thought my G20 would never leave my bag till I got to test G400 Max. Since, I sold both G20 and own two G400 Max. 9* and 10.5*. Can’t decide which I like better.

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    Driver: Ping G400 Max 10.5 Stock Alta (need shaft fitting)
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    Hybrid: TaylorMade M6 4H & 6H
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    On -, @dmeeksDC said:

    On -, @shakey said:

    Hmmm. I’ve had the G410 for a couple of months and always felt it was a little lite in the head. I had not thought about a two weight system in it. Now the gears are grinding. Thx for posting.

    Would hot melt be an easy way to increase swing weight and also improve the sound and feel too?

    I have to tell you I purchased a authentic 16 gram weight on Golfworks due to my MAX playing at 45 and switched to the Tour AD TP 5S and love the feel and weight of it.

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    On -, @woods991 said:

    So after some battles with the 410 I am back to the Max and put in a Tour Ad TP 6 shaft and wow! Love this head I have tried every driver this year and back to old faithful!

    I’ve been preaching this combo for almost a year now. It’s a rocket launcher for me and I have no desire to change anything.

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    Evnroll ER2 Black 34"
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    I am always chasing those few extra yards. However I can not find anything (thankfully) that is more forgiving and longer than my G400 Max.

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    UPDATE:

    After 2 crappy driving rounds (no fault of the golf club, but..)

    I have went back to the G400 MAX from the 410 Plus

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