PSA: You can't evaluate anything with limited flights balls!! (also water is wet)

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MtlJeffMtlJeff Montreal 29210WRX Points: 2,089Handicap: 0.0Members Posts: 29,210
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Just curious how many guys here belong to clubs, or frequent ranges that use limited flight balls....and if they have any fun anecdotes about how it has caused them to poorly evaluate equipment.

I should know better but anyway, i've been working my way through 3 drivers trying to pick the one i hit best, and i just find the range really gave me a bum steer

I've been avoiding my Cobra F8+ most of the season because i never hit it well on the range at my home club. It's the shortest of my 3 drivers every time i do a head to head before a round. Finally i take it out on the course just for fun.... because i have a few weeks between competitive rounds, and obviously i murder it all round....and then again and again for 3 straight rounds.

Turns out i was hitting it the shortest because i couldn't spin the balls enough, and they would just fall out of the sky. Once i got it out to the course with real balls the spin got up to something respectable , and the ball just went forever. It's the longest of the 3.

So yeah, don't base your club decisions on ranges with limited flight balls

Also, water is wet

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Cobra King F9 w/Fujikura Atmos TS Black 7
Cobra King F9 w/Matrix Black Tie 80
Callaway Apex 20 w/Diamana D+ 95
Ping G410 4-SW w/S300
Callaway MD 2.0 60 PM grind w/S300
Odyssey O-works Red Tank #7
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  • shanxshanx  864WRX Points: 222Members Posts: 864
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    The local range had them for a bit, but went back to the old range rocks and went "irons only" (property ends at 200yds or so).
    I stopped going there because of those limited balls, I saw no value in them, and could gauge contact by hitting those foam balls in my backyard.

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  • Exactice808Exactice808 Just want to hit ball far and go find it...  4772WRX Points: 378Handicap: 7-27Members Posts: 4,772
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    LOL! This is why I absolutely love my Voice Caddie SC100.

    I go to 3 ranges on the norm
    Resort Course with Distance limited Balls
    Normal range with all good "Yellow" practice balls
    and my "Go to" range 5 minutes from my house that uses, left over collected balls (So there is a 50/50 mix of newer real balls to crap busted old whatever)

    The resort course range limited balls are average about 10% less distance on average based on the the Swing Caddie Smash and ball speeds averages. Also the marked part of the ranges are true to the limit. So the 150 marker is actually about 135 yards away (lasered) etc etc..

    The Normal range with yellow balls are about 5 yards shorter I am assuming to compression and spin. Markers are true to distance, but I can never reach them with the yellow balls.

    My go to range, I just grab 2 baskets and sort (out of 100balls) .. 30+ish of them are good newer balls and the rest are just to warm up and get in a groove.

    After that I setup up my voice caddie and the numbers are basically as true as it gets..... This gives me the best chance to see what I can actually do, consistency of ball speeds and actual distance.

    Yes it cracks me up seeing people hitting the limited distance balls and yelling that was 300 yards.... or some getting pissed their driver doesnt got past the 150 and they get super mad.... Oh well...... All I can say is Voice Caddie is one of the best RANGE tools I have ever BOUGHT period...... limited distance balls or not..... I get the best consistency from it...

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  • Tim SherwoodTim Sherwood  391WRX Points: 119Handicap: HighMembers Posts: 391
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    As I've discovered over the years, one piece driving range balls and hitting from mats does absolutely nothing for me, practice wise. There is nothing like hitting real balls on grass. My angle of attack goes all funky when I hit from mats, so I don't even see a true ball flight.

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  • ChipNRunChipNRun  1953WRX Points: 414Members Posts: 1,953
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    The balls at our range launch the ball about a club short for full iron shots. But the balls are not the big problem: The tee hitting tiers are at the top of a hill, with about a 30-foot drop to the bottom. So, you can't really compare those shots to distances on course.

    That said, you can tell it you are hitting the ball consistently.

    For ranging my wedges, I go to the top tier tee of the range on a Tuesday or Thursday when no one is around. I can hit my gamer balls with different swing lengths and audit my distances.


    Hitting off a hill caused me to get an exaggerated view of how high I hit my 3W a few years back. I realized this one day on a shorter par 5. I hit my drive of the month, it rolled out and left me 220 yards out going uphill. I hit my 3W dead-solid-perfect, but it clipped the top of the hill and ricocheted 90 degrees OB. I went to a flatter range elsewhere later that week, and found out I needed a more lofted FW.

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    What's In The Bag *...

    Driver: Calla XR16 Pro 10.5° (set open) / Fuji Evolution II TS Speeder 665 R-flex 63 gr.
    FWs: Tour Edge XRail 4W + 7W / GraphiteDesign G60 R-flex 60 gr.
    or Calla Alpha 815, set 16° + 20° / Fuji Motore Speeder 665 R-flex 62 gr.
    Hybrid: Cobra FlyZ 3H 19° + 4H 22° / Matrix VLCT Altus Lite flex 73 gr.
    Irons: Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i - PW** / KBS Tour 90 R-flex 101 gr.
           4i refitted with SteelFiber 780 HLS Hybrid shaft R Flex 75 gr.
    Wedge: Calla MD3 48°/8.SS + 54°/12.WS + MD.PM 60°/10  | KBS Tour R-flex 110 gr.  | Note: MD4 58°/8.C-grind may replace MD/PM
    Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) / 34" w. Ping Pistol PP60 grip (stock)
    Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag
    Ball: Calla SuperHot - orange
    * Either 7W or 3H left out, depending on course and season.
    ** Wedges: 46°and 48°are competing for bag space.
  • rainkingjrrainkingjr  2720WRX Points: 200Members Posts: 2,720
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    I may be wrong, but I though I read somewhere that the faster your swingspeed the greater the discrepancy. Makes sense as the whole point for most places are to keep the balls on the range and not over the back fence. Hitting range rocks off mats is the worst possible way to practice but pretty much the only thing available to most folks. I just never focus on distance and work on hitting the shots I am trying to execute.

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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff Montreal 29210WRX Points: 2,089Handicap: 0.0Members Posts: 29,210
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    On -, @rainkingjr said:

    I may be wrong, but I though I read somewhere that the faster your swingspeed the greater the discrepancy. Makes sense as the whole point for most places are to keep the balls on the range and not over the back fence. Hitting range rocks off mats is the worst possible way to practice but pretty much the only thing available to most folks. I just never focus on distance and work on hitting the shots I am trying to execute.

    yeah i mean it's still good for grooving the swing and getting a warmup going. I'd rather have that than nothing.

    Just fairly brutal to really gauge how clubs are performing versus other clubs. Height , spin etc.

    We have a few grass range clubs around here that use decent balls, but i'll probably never join those courses. Sadly the course i really want to join next season has a pretty awful range too

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    Cobra King F9 w/Fujikura Atmos TS Black 7
    Cobra King F9 w/Matrix Black Tie 80
    Callaway Apex 20 w/Diamana D+ 95
    Ping G410 4-SW w/S300
    Callaway MD 2.0 60 PM grind w/S300
    Odyssey O-works Red Tank #7
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  • No_Catchy_NicknameNo_Catchy_Nickname Kyushu,_Japan 5903WRX Points: 1,085Handicap: meMembers Posts: 5,903
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    My local range uses limited flight low trajectory balls. The distance signs are placed to reflect this, so the 150y marker is actually 135y from the tees. I've found that my distances with my short irons is about right, but from 7i to driver, it's hard to get a fair idea of distance. I can hit the 7i on the range 180~190 yds (going by their signs, simply because the balls are low spin. I certainly do NOT get that distance on the course with proper balls. I've also pretty much given up hitting these balls with my driver because I don't get enough height (or distance), and then find myself playing with my swing to try and get the desired ball flight (sorry, "traj"). Very similar story to your, in fact, MtlJeff.

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    Driver: Ping G400 Tour 65S
    4w: TaylorMade R9 stock Fujikura Motore X flex
    7w TaylorMade V-steel, Quadra Fire Express RB 6SX
    Hybrid: RomaRo iBrid 23* Attas EZ 85S
    Irons (4i-PW): Mizuno MP4 Attas 115X 4-PW (+0.5")
    Wedges: Cleveland RTX4 Forged 52* and 58*, DGS400 (both at 35.5")
    Putter: Mac Jack Nicklaus Muirfield/Taylormade TPA XVIII/Wilson 8802

    Old stuff: Tons of persimmon and older irons. 
  • MyherobobhopeMyherobobhope hey there, blimpy boy. Flying through the sky so fancy free.  2480WRX Points: 435Members Posts: 2,480
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    I love you, Jeff.

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    Current Bag (Rebuilding as of 5/6/19)
    Driver: Adams Fast 12 LS with Matrix Black Tie (to be replaced)
    3W: Adams Fast 12 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    Hybrid: Bridgestone j40 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    4-9: Taylor Made Oversize (to be replaced)
    PW: Mizuon HMP with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    50 degree Vokey with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    56 and 60 degree Cleveland Wedges (to be replaced)
    Odyssey Tank #7 (only club I'm keeping this season)

  • hef63303hef63303  2896WRX Points: 171Members Posts: 2,896
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    If you are judging distances by using range balls, you are fooling yourself. Range balls will not perform the same as the golf balls you play with on the course. If they do, you need to start playing a better golf ball.

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  • MyherobobhopeMyherobobhope hey there, blimpy boy. Flying through the sky so fancy free.  2480WRX Points: 435Members Posts: 2,480
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    On -, @hef63303 said:

    If you are judging distances by using range balls, you are fooling yourself. Range balls will not perform the same as the golf balls you play with on the course. If they do, you need to start playing a better golf ball.

    This is at least slightly different... he was testing clubs against each other using the same balls... unfortunately the spin difference made his tests pointless.

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    Current Bag (Rebuilding as of 5/6/19)
    Driver: Adams Fast 12 LS with Matrix Black Tie (to be replaced)
    3W: Adams Fast 12 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    Hybrid: Bridgestone j40 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    4-9: Taylor Made Oversize (to be replaced)
    PW: Mizuon HMP with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    50 degree Vokey with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    56 and 60 degree Cleveland Wedges (to be replaced)
    Odyssey Tank #7 (only club I'm keeping this season)

  • BookerBooker  798WRX Points: 98Members Posts: 798
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    My home course range uses real balls which is nice but most of the other facilities use limited flight balls,usually srixon. The flight is much lower, some of the nike limited flight balls they had in play would not spin enough to hit driver. Another one of our ranges use balls that fly much higher than a normal ball (they're taylormade) but the ballspeed is the same or a touch higher than prov 1 or chrome soft that I normally play.

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  • Mr. GrumpyMr. Grumpy The Quintana Changeup, sit em dwn  2529WRX Points: 363Members Posts: 2,529
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    Mr. Hydrophobic here and I challenge your assertion!
    lolz,,, range balls

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  • Krt22Krt22 East Bay 8488WRX Points: 2,233Members Posts: 8,488
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    On -, @rainkingjr said:

    I may be wrong, but I though I read somewhere that the faster your swingspeed the greater the discrepancy. Makes sense as the whole point for most places are to keep the balls on the range and not over the back fence. Hitting range rocks off mats is the worst possible way to practice but pretty much the only thing available to most folks. I just never focus on distance and work on hitting the shots I am trying to execute.

    My range is like this, it's a non linear relationship. My range is into a prevailing wind, wedges go similar distance due to lower spin, long clubs over compress so you see some weird stuff. I have a mevo and ball speed with 7i is pretty much the same, driver is down 10mph vs using a real ball.

    So I worry less about actual distance and more.a out relative distance.

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  • rainkingjrrainkingjr  2720WRX Points: 200Members Posts: 2,720
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    Just to add to this conversation, I also never go into a golf store without a Snell MTB (primary ball I play) in my pocket. We only have a local Golf Galaxy which uses Maxfli rocks. Easy 5mph difference in ball speed between the Maxfli's and the ball I bring with me. I was in there a couple of years ago and was going to purchase a new driver. I asked the salesman if he could break out some Bridgestone B330S balls ( my primary ball at the time) for testing and he looked at me like I had two heads. He accommodated me because he knew I was making a purchase. Walked out with a G30 LS tec that day. He saved the sale by letting me hit the Bridgestones. Now I just carry a few balls in my car at all times.

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  • tannyhobantannyhoban  2058WRX Points: 348Members Posts: 2,058
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    Range I frequent got their annual haul of new balls. I picked up 10 yards. I'm running with that.

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  • gambitgambit  4343WRX Points: 212Members Posts: 4,343
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    The balls at the range I do to most look decent for the most part. I still don't trust distance. They get hit so many times, washed, etc that it's bound to affect performance on some level. I mostly focus on making solid contact and putting the ball on a good line. I hit the ball further on a course.

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  • PowderedToastManPowderedToastMan  4161WRX Points: 1,225Members Posts: 4,161
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    I’ve lost too many nights of sleep thinking about my ball flight at the range with limited flight balls. It’s psychological torture for golfers.

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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff Montreal 29210WRX Points: 2,089Handicap: 0.0Members Posts: 29,210
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    On -, @Kingcat990 said:

    The solution to the dilemma is play limited flight & range balls on the course. Be like eating potatoes for dinner. Forever.

    I did that on the Norman course in the Bahamas....but only because i ran out of balls LOL

    There is a TON of water on that course

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    Cobra King F9 w/Fujikura Atmos TS Black 7
    Cobra King F9 w/Matrix Black Tie 80
    Callaway Apex 20 w/Diamana D+ 95
    Ping G410 4-SW w/S300
    Callaway MD 2.0 60 PM grind w/S300
    Odyssey O-works Red Tank #7
  • MtlJeffMtlJeff Montreal 29210WRX Points: 2,089Handicap: 0.0Members Posts: 29,210
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    On -, @Myherobobhope said:

    I love you, Jeff.

    Right back at you slick!

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    Cobra King F9 w/Fujikura Atmos TS Black 7
    Cobra King F9 w/Matrix Black Tie 80
    Callaway Apex 20 w/Diamana D+ 95
    Ping G410 4-SW w/S300
    Callaway MD 2.0 60 PM grind w/S300
    Odyssey O-works Red Tank #7
  • ValtielValtiel Konica-Minolta Bizhub  2926WRX Points: 1,016Handicap: 1.7Members Posts: 2,926
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    My local range has a mix, and I always save the "real" balls for when i'm hitting driver. The range is a strange shape as well so there is only one area I can aim to keep drivers from leaving the property. The left side of the range seems to end around ~220y but the right side has a finger that extends out beyond 300y. I need a better place to practice, lol.

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    Bridgestone J40 CB 5i-PW 27*- 48* Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0
    Vokey Mild Raw 8620 54* Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0
    Vokey SM6 58* Oil Can Low Bounce K-Grind Brunswick Precision FCM 7.3 SSx1
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  • hef63303hef63303  2896WRX Points: 171Members Posts: 2,896
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    On -, @Myherobobhope said:

    If you are judging distances by using range balls, you are fooling yourself. Range balls will not perform the same as the golf balls you play with on the course. If they do, you need to start playing a better golf ball.

    This is at least slightly different... he was testing clubs against each other using the same balls... unfortunately the spin difference made his tests pointless.

    On -, @hef63303 said:There is enough difference from one range ball to the next that any test is useless.
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  • RoejyeRoejye  3WRX Points: 5Members Posts: 3
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    I just want to thank everyone who's posted on this thread. I just started really getting into golf this past year, getting on the course hopefully once a week. I live in Minnesota and winter has hit, and I can't get on to the course. In order to satiate the golf bug I've done a couple things. I have basically replaced every club in my bag (irons in particular were old) so I got to use the sim at my 2nd hand store a lot. However now that I seem to have found some good clubs for me I've been trying to go to some golf domes, I'm getting swings in but it's hard to tell full ball flight and true distance. One of the domes in my area has toptracer technology which allows me to see distance and I use the app to keep track of my stats. I've noticed that on my best hits the distances are about 10 yds shorter than on the sim at the golf store. Reading this thread has educated me on my concerns. I did buy the japanese version of the sc100 so I may take that to the domes from now on, or I should probably just go to the pga tour superstore and practice there with actual balls.

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  • isitourisitour  69WRX Points: 74Members Posts: 69
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    I bought a Shot Scope V2 last June. Over the season it has tracked my yardages with each club. I'm not to concerned about distance when I'm practicing at the range(more on that). I work on Pre shot routine, aiming and tempo. Wedges are where more focus goes on the exact distance. Knowing my wedge distance already ,I'll laser targets and hit clubs to that distance. Depending on the range I'm a ,there can be a small distance variation depending on the ball quality. Being winter for me, I've been practicing in an Indoor Range. This is the first year I'v practised in the winter and crappy balls or not, my swing is improving.

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  • Nixhex524Nixhex524  4525WRX Points: 375Handicap: 2.6ClubWRX Posts: 4,525
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    I have to remind myself while at the range to focus more on direction and target than distance as one shot to the next can be completely different. It can be frustrating to see irons land so short, I always thought this was from TOO much spin, but you guys are saying these balls spin less? I guess that would make sense... I wanted to get a '16 vs '17 M2 comparison going this morning for a quick session, but this is probably now worthless.... not distance, dispersion only with the same exact shaft.

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    Taylormade M2 9.5 2017 Aldila Tour blue 65s
    Ping G400 14.5 Aldila Rogue silver 70s
    Titleist 915h 21* Aldila Rogue black 85s
    Bridgestone J15 CB X100 AMT SS1x 4-P
    Titleist Vokey SM5 50.12, SM6 58.12
    Scotty Cameron NP2 2016 34"

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