Used items value.

So I've been around the sports industry in diffrent facets for the last 20 years. I'm curious as to why it seems that among the many sports I've dealt with, why golfers feel their used items are worth 80-90% the cost of a new item. Obviously there are outliers on rare items, but with custom items brings a more limited market and normally a bigger loss. Just curious everyone's thoughts.

You haven't been to BST yet.. You can get some brand new club for 75% of retail value easily. Used clubs go for much lower.

It's all supply and demand.

No I have been there and while there have been some decent deals, there seems to be MUCH more of people speaking to the price of purchasing a brand new upgraded shaft, brand new head, and the cost to create at a FULL retail value. $350 shafts can be found for $220 if your patient and not in a rush to build a club today. Therefore a used shaft isnt worth $250($100 off FULL MSRP)

Asking price isn’t always equal to selling price

In my experience items on BST and eBay go for more like 50-60% of MSRP.

You just need to buy last year or older models.

Don't expect to get a big discount on late 2018-2019 items, as those still carry the "latest and greatest" premium.

This isn’t Russia (is this Russia?). Items are worth what someone will pay. If people are selling used items at 80%-90% of their retail value, well then that’s what they’re worth. If someone lists an item at 80%-90% of retail value and it doesn’t sell, then the item is not worth that much.

Just because people try to sell a particular item for a certain price doesn’t mean that’s what the item is worth. Sellers are under no obligation to do any diligence on what their item is actually worth, just like buyers are under no obligation to buy overpriced items.

> @GoIrish17 said:

> This isn’t Russia (is this Russia?). Items are worth what someone will pay. If people are selling used items at 80%-90% of their retail value, well then that’s what they’re worth. If someone lists an item at 80%-90% of retail value and it doesn’t sell, then the item is not worth that much.

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> Just because people try to sell a particular item for a certain price doesn’t mean that’s what the item is worth. Sellers are under no obligation to do any diligence on what their item is actually worth, just like buyers are under no obligation to buy overpriced items.

Can you fill me in on the Russian used sporting goods economy?

> @Hack31 said:

> So I've been around the sports industry in diffrent facets for the last 20 years. I'm curious as to why it seems that among the many sports I've dealt with, why golfers feel their used items are worth 80-90% the cost of a new item. Obviously there are outliers on rare items, but with custom items brings a more limited market and normally a bigger loss. Just curious everyone's thoughts.

If you don't like the price, move on to the next.

> @Dpak05 said:

> If you don't like the price, move on to the next.

Sorry for trying to understand the rationale of a subset. I guess i should just keep my questions to myself and not try to expand upon my knowledge

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> Sorry for trying to understand the rationale of a subset. I guess i should just keep my questions to myself and not try to expand upon my knowledge

People price items whatever way they want. No rationale.

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> > Sorry for trying to understand the rationale of a subset. I guess i should just keep my questions to myself and not try to expand upon my knowledge

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> People price items whatever way they want. No rationale.

There is rationale behind it though. No one would price a used item more then a brand new in package item, so what Im trying to understand is why some feel their used item( even if its been hit only 5 times) is worth $550 while a brand new in package built to your personal specs is $600. I only see this in golf clubs. Baseball/Softball bats, Tennis rackets, Bowling Balls, etc are normally sold for 40-60% of the retail price. Im not bashing anyone here, im trying to have a discussion as to why individuals(golfers) feel their items retain more value than other sports. New v Used in almost everything is a substantial price/cost difference, so what leads someone to believe that their (club/irons/putter) is diffrent

^Because there is zero market for bowling balls, tennis rackets, baseball/softball equipment. It's simple supply and demand. People can afford to ignore your lowball offers when someone else will buy it at their price. Why? Because the market is much, much bigger, especially right now in peak golf season.

> @thevaporz said:

> ^Because there is zero market for bowling balls, tennis rackets, baseball/softball equipment. It's simple supply and demand. People can afford to ignore your lowball offers when someone else will buy it at their price. Why? Because the market is much, much bigger, especially right now in peak golf season.

Lmao, thank you for telling me how supply and demand works. Just to let you know there are more people who bowl then play golf if you would like to look at statistics. The market for used/new bowling equipment rivals that of golf in volume, it is less per individual because of the greater number of participants. Also if you would like to be technical the reason the used golf market is so vast is because of significantly higher MSRP then the other sports. Leaving alot of room for used to still be sold at a "value" and worth purchasing over new. AS far as "lowball" offers are concerned this is part of the equation. Every individual has a different opinion on what a lowball offer is. If there have been 5 items all of similar stature sell for $400 and you are asking $600 because yours has 2 rounds on it and theirs had 4 rounds, offering $400 isnt a low ball offer because it is actually market value, but a 33% discount to some would be seen as a "lowball" offer

> @Hack31 said:

> There is rationale behind it though. No one would price a used item more then a brand new in package item, so what Im trying to understand is why some feel their used item( even if its been hit only 5 times) is worth $550 while a brand new in package built to your personal specs is $600. I only see this in golf clubs. Baseball/Softball bats, Tennis rackets, Bowling Balls, etc are normally sold for 40-60% of the retail price. Im not bashing anyone here, im trying to have a discussion as to why individuals(golfers) feel their items retain more value than other sports. New v Used in almost everything is a substantial price/cost difference, so what leads someone to believe that their (club/irons/putter) is diffrent

That's just the market. Golf clubs are not baseball bats or bowling balls, I'm assuming people keep those types of things a lot longer and they get used more before they are sold. Although I admit I don't know the intricacies of the used baseball bat market. Selling a lightly used current model year club for 50% of its value is crazy. If I was buying I would expect maybe 10 to 15% off. When I price my used stuff, I look at ebay, global golf, 2ndswing, etc and see what they are going for and then usually price it a little bit less than that.

i didn't understand the original question and now i'm even more confused

Uh oh, looks like we got a bowling expert on a golf forum.


> @ProphetLogic said:

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> > There is rationale behind it though. No one would price a used item more then a brand new in package item, so what Im trying to understand is why some feel their used item( even if its been hit only 5 times) is worth $550 while a brand new in package built to your personal specs is $600. I only see this in golf clubs. Baseball/Softball bats, Tennis rackets, Bowling Balls, etc are normally sold for 40-60% of the retail price. Im not bashing anyone here, im trying to have a discussion as to why individuals(golfers) feel their items retain more value than other sports. New v Used in almost everything is a substantial price/cost difference, so what leads someone to believe that their (club/irons/putter) is diffrent

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> That's just the market. Golf clubs are not baseball gloves or bowling balls, I'm assuming people keep those types of things a lot longer and they get used more before they are sold. Although I admit I don't know the intricacies of the used baseball glove market. Selling a lightly used current model year club for 50% of its value is crazy. If I was buying I would expect maybe 10 to 15% off. When I price my used stuff, I look at ebay, global golf, 2ndswing, etc and see what they are going for and then usually price it a little bit less than that.

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Thank you for the educated response. As far as the bowling ball market it is very similar to the golf market. Higher end players have 12-18 balls in their current arsenal and after about 30-60 games they discard and get another new one. Even your below average decent league bowler drills 2-4 new balls a year. As far as as how you said you price your items, you are looking at other retail outlets and what they are charging for the used items they sell. That's a plausible and rational answer as to why someone would price things a certain way, so thank you for the response. The question that would lead me to is then the difference between a retail business selling an item and an individual. Not that i believe there should be a ghastly difference between the 2, but retailer are obviously purchasing for less. So is the market like a used vehicle where there is a private party value and a retail(dealer) value?

I should add, that's the market for the hard to find, limited edition, latest and greatest clubs. Otherwise equipment is cheap, like I just got a callaway rogue sub zero with the shaft I want for about $185. I think they were released like 18~ months ago.

> @thevaporz said:

> Uh oh, looks like we got a bowling expert on a golf forum.

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Thanks for you addition to the discussion. And while as i said i have been around the retail sports world in different facets for over 20 years( own a few businesses in different sporting fronts) I can speak to the similarities and the differences between them, and Golf and bowling are VERY closely related on most fronts.

I’d venture to guess that the difference between the golf secondhand market and the bowling ball secondhand market is that bowling is severely handicapped by shipping costs. Though I’m pretty sure if I tried, even ignoring shipping costs, that I could find some overpriced bowling equipment on eBay.

I’m still not certain you are basing your assumptions on fact - can you show examples of sold listings that asked and received a ridiculous price for an item? Just because someone asks for too much money doesn’t mean they get it, and it certainly doesn’t change the “value” of an item. And, as this thread unfolds I’m not so sure if you came here for an honest, good-faith discussion, or are just looking for an argument. Why not pose the question, as it seems the direction you are taking the discussion, as “which one of you idiots spends too much money on golf stuff and why?”

Anyone on here know how long the" PGA value guide" has been around? I don't see many/any golf clubs on eBay or BST that are newer than 10 years old priced according to this guide. Seems like a misnomer and not really valuable or a guide since golf equipment is worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

Shops use it for trade in value. At least Roger Dunn/ WWGS/ Golfmart. Smart people would never bring clubs there though.

This website is such a shell of its former self lol...... many threads, topics, BST, and members are all just lacking anymore.

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> > > > If you don't like the price, move on to the next.

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> > > Sorry for trying to understand the rationale of a subset. I guess i should just keep my questions to myself and not try to expand upon my knowledge

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> There is rationale behind it though. No one would price a used item more then a brand new in package item, so what Im trying to understand is why some feel their used item( even if its been hit only 5 times) is worth $550 while a brand new in package built to your personal specs is $600. I only see this in golf clubs. Baseball/Softball bats, Tennis rackets, Bowling Balls, etc are normally sold for 40-60% of the retail price. Im not bashing anyone here, im trying to have a discussion as to why individuals(golfers) feel their items retain more value than other sports. New v Used in almost everything is a substantial price/cost difference, so what leads someone to believe that their (club/irons/putter) is diffrent

I don't believe your numbers. Usually if something is MSRP $600, a member may be selling for $550 shipped.

That's still a significant difference considering the new one is actually more like $650 after tax.

I think you're exaggerating the prices. I see clear and substantial discounts on BST all the time.

I think I understand the question and the answer is: golf clubs do not depreciate that fast. They go fast but not crazy fast. If I hit 5 balls with a driver and decided I didn't like it, I could wipe it with a rag and 99% of this forum wouldn't be able to tell me if it had been used or new. I returned a putter to where I worked a full year later of use and my manager couldn't even see if it had been used. A wedge 6 months later, same thing. I take care of my equipment so I expect higher dollar for my equipment. It also depends on what it is too. If you have a brand new G410 Plus that you suddenly dislike, well you have a good 18 months ahead of you for that club before it goes away, so you have a bit more leverage to sell it at a premium vs. buying a brand new M3 at $300 (CAD) and expecting to turn it around at $275 a month later.

The general consensus I have seen is that clubs will depreciate about 25% within the first few months of them being used (provided they are decently taken care of) but by the end of the year that shoots up to 40% depending on product cycle and whatnot. I sold a pretty beat up Rogue Draw for a friend as head only for $325 earlier in the year when the Flash had been out for a month, which was $175 off of retail of a new Rogue and I thought I did pretty well. That is 35% off retail without the shaft, so it would have likely been closer to 25-30% had I had a shaft to throw in it. Your example of the shafts is also a bit off, everything can be had for cheaper if you wait. I can wait 4 years and get a Flash for probably $100 if I wanted. So to say that ~30% discount on a shaft (again provided it is decent shape, no nicks, wonky tipping, etc.) is not enough is a bit absurd.

Try to explain the Kirkland Signature ball sales on the BST back in the day.

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> > > > > If you don't like the price, move on to the next.

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> > > > Sorry for trying to understand the rationale of a subset. I guess i should just keep my questions to myself and not try to expand upon my knowledge

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> > There is rationale behind it though. No one would price a used item more then a brand new in package item, so what Im trying to understand is why some feel their used item( even if its been hit only 5 times) is worth $550 while a brand new in package built to your personal specs is $600. I only see this in golf clubs. Baseball/Softball bats, Tennis rackets, Bowling Balls, etc are normally sold for 40-60% of the retail price. Im not bashing anyone here, im trying to have a discussion as to why individuals(golfers) feel their items retain more value than other sports. New v Used in almost everything is a substantial price/cost difference, so what leads someone to believe that their (club/irons/putter) is diffrent

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> I don't believe your numbers. Usually if something is MSRP $600, a member may be selling for $550 shipped.

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> That's still a significant difference considering the new one is actually more like $650 after tax.

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> I think you're exaggerating the prices. I see clear and substantial discounts on BST all the time.

Example, Brand new Ventus 6x shaft just sold for $225, M5 driver head for $300. $525 combined. Yet people list the club as being a retail price of $350 for the shaft and $550 for the club, $900, and ask $700 for it as its only been played a few rounds. These are the things i am speaking to.

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> > > There is rationale behind it though. No one would price a used item more then a brand new in package item, so what Im trying to understand is why some feel their used item( even if its been hit only 5 times) is worth $550 while a brand new in package built to your personal specs is $600. I only see this in golf clubs. Baseball/Softball bats, Tennis rackets, Bowling Balls, etc are normally sold for 40-60% of the retail price. Im not bashing anyone here, im trying to have a discussion as to why individuals(golfers) feel their items retain more value than other sports. New v Used in almost everything is a substantial price/cost difference, so what leads someone to believe that their (club/irons/putter) is diffrent

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> > That's just the market. Golf clubs are not baseball gloves or bowling balls, I'm assuming people keep those types of things a lot longer and they get used more before they are sold. Although I admit I don't know the intricacies of the used baseball glove market. Selling a lightly used current model year club for 50% of its value is crazy. If I was buying I would expect maybe 10 to 15% off. When I price my used stuff, I look at ebay, global golf, 2ndswing, etc and see what they are going for and then usually price it a little bit less than that.

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> Thank you for the educated response. As far as the bowling ball market it is very similar to the golf market. Higher end players have 12-18 balls in their current arsenal and after about 30-60 games they discard and get another new one. Even your below average decent league bowler drills 2-4 new balls a year. As far as as how you said you price your items, you are looking at other retail outlets and what they are charging for the used items they sell. That's a plausible and rational answer as to why someone would price things a certain way, so thank you for the response. The question that would lead me to is then the difference between a retail business selling an item and an individual. Not that i believe there should be a ghastly difference between the 2, but retailer are obviously purchasing for less. So is the market like a used vehicle where there is a private party value and a retail(dealer) value?

Used to be a bowler and that is simply untrue. The average league bowler uses the same ball or couple of balls for years, 2-4 per year is absolutely absurd. 30-60 games doesn’t even make up a full league season only bowling once a week. There MIGHT be 1 or 2 guys in a league who do that and even that’s a stretch.

> @t4t3r said:

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> > > > There is rationale behind it though. No one would price a used item more then a brand new in package item, so what Im trying to understand is why some feel their used item( even if its been hit only 5 times) is worth $550 while a brand new in package built to your personal specs is $600. I only see this in golf clubs. Baseball/Softball bats, Tennis rackets, Bowling Balls, etc are normally sold for 40-60% of the retail price. Im not bashing anyone here, im trying to have a discussion as to why individuals(golfers) feel their items retain more value than other sports. New v Used in almost everything is a substantial price/cost difference, so what leads someone to believe that their (club/irons/putter) is diffrent

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> > > That's just the market. Golf clubs are not baseball gloves or bowling balls, I'm assuming people keep those types of things a lot longer and they get used more before they are sold. Although I admit I don't know the intricacies of the used baseball glove market. Selling a lightly used current model year club for 50% of its value is crazy. If I was buying I would expect maybe 10 to 15% off. When I price my used stuff, I look at ebay, global golf, 2ndswing, etc and see what they are going for and then usually price it a little bit less than that.

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> > Thank you for the educated response. As far as the bowling ball market it is very similar to the golf market. Higher end players have 12-18 balls in their current arsenal and after about 30-60 games they discard and get another new one. Even your below average decent league bowler drills 2-4 new balls a year. As far as as how you said you price your items, you are looking at other retail outlets and what they are charging for the used items they sell. That's a plausible and rational answer as to why someone would price things a certain way, so thank you for the response. The question that would lead me to is then the difference between a retail business selling an item and an individual. Not that i believe there should be a ghastly difference between the 2, but retailer are obviously purchasing for less. So is the market like a used vehicle where there is a private party value and a retail(dealer) value?

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> Used to be a bowler and that is simply untrue. The average league bowler uses the same ball or couple of balls for years, 2-4 per year is absolutely absurd. 30-60 games doesn’t even make up a full league season only bowling once a week. There MIGHT be 1 or 2 guys in a league who do that and even that’s a stretch.

He's got to get his post count up so he post in BST for free.

> @t4t3r said:

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> > > > There is rationale behind it though. No one would price a used item more then a brand new in package item, so what Im trying to understand is why some feel their used item( even if its been hit only 5 times) is worth $550 while a brand new in package built to your personal specs is $600. I only see this in golf clubs. Baseball/Softball bats, Tennis rackets, Bowling Balls, etc are normally sold for 40-60% of the retail price. Im not bashing anyone here, im trying to have a discussion as to why individuals(golfers) feel their items retain more value than other sports. New v Used in almost everything is a substantial price/cost difference, so what leads someone to believe that their (club/irons/putter) is diffrent

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> > > That's just the market. Golf clubs are not baseball gloves or bowling balls, I'm assuming people keep those types of things a lot longer and they get used more before they are sold. Although I admit I don't know the intricacies of the used baseball glove market. Selling a lightly used current model year club for 50% of its value is crazy. If I was buying I would expect maybe 10 to 15% off. When I price my used stuff, I look at ebay, global golf, 2ndswing, etc and see what they are going for and then usually price it a little bit less than that.

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> > Thank you for the educated response. As far as the bowling ball market it is very similar to the golf market. Higher end players have 12-18 balls in their current arsenal and after about 30-60 games they discard and get another new one. Even your below average decent league bowler drills 2-4 new balls a year. As far as as how you said you price your items, you are looking at other retail outlets and what they are charging for the used items they sell. That's a plausible and rational answer as to why someone would price things a certain way, so thank you for the response. The question that would lead me to is then the difference between a retail business selling an item and an individual. Not that i believe there should be a ghastly difference between the 2, but retailer are obviously purchasing for less. So is the market like a used vehicle where there is a private party value and a retail(dealer) value?

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> Used to be a bowler and that is simply untrue. The average league bowler uses the same ball or couple of balls for years, 2-4 per year is absolutely absurd. 30-60 games doesn’t even make up a full league season only bowling once a week. There MIGHT be 1 or 2 guys in a league who do that and even that’s a stretch.

well i own 3 bowling pro shops and i can tell you by the volume we sell that someone who only has 1 balls and keeps it for 2-4 year is an anomoly, yes it happens, we have people who bring in their 35 year old ball and ask for it to be cleaned, but we take in anywhere from 5-15 balls on trade a week per shop. So while I will agree that some dont drill this many, most 190+ avg bowlers( which is below the house avg at 2 of the 3 houses) drill multiple balls per year.