How many have found their "utopia" golf ball?

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  • Red4282Red4282 Members Posts: 337 ✭✭✭✭

    @Twin2L said:
    I’ve been playing the BRX for years and being a WRX’er, this year I’ve been trying several others, the Bridgestone XS, Srixon Q-Star Tour, Srixon Z Star, Wilson FG Tour and a couple of others, wondering if something else would be a better fit. I’ve had some very nice rounds with the Z-Star in particular, but I find myself swing much more aggressively with the firmer balls. I also find them half a club shorter off irons and no distance gain with much more sidespin (hook) with the driver.

    Today, I had a frustrating 43 on my local course on the easier (and shorter) front nine with the Z-Star I’ve been playing for a month. Put the BRX in play on the 10th tee and hit my longest drive in weeks (275) with my second driver on #12. My tee shots were straighter, longer and I realized I was not pressing for the distance, it was there because I was swinging smoother. Shot a 39 on the back even with 17 Putts.

    For me, consistency of flight, predictable distance and spin off the irons and wedges, semi-firm click off the putter, and easier distance off the driver make the Bridgestone BRX my “ utopia” ball.

    My driver is a modest 100ish, I hit my forged 34* 7 iron 160 so I don’t think it’s a slow swing speed issue.

    Ironically, I may never have looked for another ball if it didn’t have that giant “B” on the sides.

    Hate to burst your bubble but it was just likely in your head- that or a bad ball. All these balls are so close to each other in performance, its really splitting hairs. That being said i agree with you on the giant “B”...

  • Mikey5eMikey5e Members Posts: 931 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Question : Could a PGA professional score as well with a Top Flite bomb as with a Titleist Pro V1? I know they probably couldn't get quite the spin off the Top Flight but they can adapt as well.

  • Red4282Red4282 Members Posts: 337 ✭✭✭✭

    @Mikey5e said:
    Question : Could a PGA professional score as well with a Top Flite bomb as with a Titleist Pro V1? I know they probably couldn't get quite the spin off the Top Flight but they can adapt as well.

    Probably not but i would expect the difference to be fairly small. 3-5 shots maybe

  • Twin2LTwin2L Members Posts: 122 ✭✭✭

    @Red4282 said:

    @Twin2L said
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    Ironically, I may never have looked for another ball if it didn’t have that giant “B” on the sides.

    Hate to burst your bubble but it was just likely in your head- that or a bad ball. All these balls are so close to each other in performance, its really splitting hairs. That being said i agree with you on the giant “B”...
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    No bubble to burst. I do agree that I have a decided level of confidence in the BRX that allows me to relax over a shot.

    I agree that most so-called premium balls are in the same compression range + or - 15%, resulting in comparable feel and effort required for comparable results.

    However, there is a significant difference in the balls. With a difference in compression of 22#, fully 1/3 of the BRX’s 66 compression, the Z-Star compression is 88, there is a significant difference in feel off all clubs.

    I turned 60 a week ago Saturday. I learned to play in the early 70’s in the era of the wound ball, even pre balata. Back then the choices were all soft except for the old “rockflights”. Even later when Titleist came out with the 80 compression, followed by the 90, those differences were noticeable. I did play the 80’s well and often, but didn’t like he 90’s at all.

    Ironically, 35 years later I played the v1x and B330, but a 2nd significant neck injury and a dozen years later, I prefer the feel and sense if control of a softer ball. (It’s also less stressful on a once repaired then reinjured cervical spine), resulting in far less pain post round.

    I’m a very tactile person and an admitted “feel” player. I even struggle with the lack of feedback sensation of the oversized putter grips. While I still have enough club head speed to compress most balls well enough,I simply love the soft feel of a ball that compresses on the face. Yes, I can tell the difference.

    It matters not what others call you. Only what you answer to defines who you are.
  • Red4282Red4282 Members Posts: 337 ✭✭✭✭

    @Twin2L said:

    @Red4282 said:

    @Twin2L said
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    Ironically, I may never have looked for another ball if it didn’t have that giant “B” on the sides.

    Hate to burst your bubble but it was just likely in your head- that or a bad ball. All these balls are so close to each other in performance, its really splitting hairs. That being said i agree with you on the giant “B”...
    "......."........."...............................................................>>>>.

    No bubble to burst. I do agree that I have a decided level of confidence in the BRX that allows me to relax over a shot.

    I agree that most so-called premium balls are in the same compression range + or - 15%, resulting in comparable feel and effort required for comparable results.

    However, there is a significant difference in the balls. With a difference in compression of 22#, fully 1/3 of the BRX’s 66 compression, the Z-Star compression is 88, there is a significant difference in feel off all clubs.

    I turned 60 a week ago Saturday. I learned to play in the early 70’s in the era of the wound ball, even pre balata. Back then the choices were all soft except for the old “rockflights”. Even later when Titleist came out with the 80 compression, followed by the 90, those differences were noticeable. I did play the 80’s well and often, but didn’t like he 90’s at all.

    Ironically, 35 years later I played the v1x and B330, but a 2nd significant neck injury and a dozen years later, I prefer the feel and sense if control of a softer ball. (It’s also less stressful on a once repaired then reinjured cervical spine), resulting in far less pain post round.

    I’m a very tactile person and an admitted “feel” player. I even struggle with the lack of feedback sensation of the oversized putter grips. While I still have enough club head speed to compress most balls well enough,I simply love the soft feel of a ball that compresses on the face. Yes, I can tell the difference.

    Yea feel is subjective im not saying your not accurate in feel and confidence. Maybe just how you worded it, that you switched balls and were hitting significantly longer and straighter. Reality is thats not really the case, the ball performs how you strike it. Perhaps the softer feel gave you the feedback needed to make the necessary adjustments.

  • storm319storm319 Members Posts: 3,842 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Twin2L said:

    @Red4282 said:

    @Twin2L said
    ...........
    Ironically, I may never have looked for another ball if it didn’t have that giant “B” on the sides.

    Hate to burst your bubble but it was just likely in your head- that or a bad ball. All these balls are so close to each other in performance, its really splitting hairs. That being said i agree with you on the giant “B”...
    "......."........."...............................................................>>>>.

    No bubble to burst. I do agree that I have a decided level of confidence in the BRX that allows me to relax over a shot.

    I agree that most so-called premium balls are in the same compression range + or - 15%, resulting in comparable feel and effort required for comparable results.

    However, there is a significant difference in the balls. With a difference in compression of 22#, fully 1/3 of the BRX’s 66 compression, the Z-Star compression is 88, there is a significant difference in feel off all clubs.

    I turned 60 a week ago Saturday. I learned to play in the early 70’s in the era of the wound ball, even pre balata. Back then the choices were all soft except for the old “rockflights”. Even later when Titleist came out with the 80 compression, followed by the 90, those differences were noticeable. I did play the 80’s well and often, but didn’t like he 90’s at all.

    Ironically, 35 years later I played the v1x and B330, but a 2nd significant neck injury and a dozen years later, I prefer the feel and sense if control of a softer ball. (It’s also less stressful on a once repaired then reinjured cervical spine), resulting in far less pain post round.

    I’m a very tactile person and an admitted “feel” player. I even struggle with the lack of feedback sensation of the oversized putter grips. While I still have enough club head speed to compress most balls well enough,I simply love the soft feel of a ball that compresses on the face. Yes, I can tell the difference.

    Comparing compression numbers across different OEMs is not an apples to apples comparison since there is no strictly followed industry standard measurement for compression anymore. Most of the OEMs (including Bridgestone) only measure the compression of the core. Srixon is one of the few OEMs that measure the entire ball. The only way to really compare across companies is for a 3rd party to measure in a consistent manner. In the MyGolfSpi ball test, this is what they found using a former industry standard Atti tester:

    Bridgestone Tour BRX = 99.6 avg
    Srixon Z Star = 100.8 avg

    Ultimately this measured difference is negligible between these two models, so the difference you perceived was either sensitivity to the relative hardness of specific layers of the ball or simply a placebo effect based on your comparison of the OEM stated numbers.

  • Twin2LTwin2L Members Posts: 122 ✭✭✭

    Comparing compression numbers across different OEMs is not an apples to apples comparison since there is no strictly followed industry standard measurement for compression anymore. Most of the OEMs (including Bridgestone) only measure the compression of the core. Srixon is one of the few OEMs that measure the entire ball. The only way to really compare across companies is for a 3rd party to measure in a consistent manner. In the MyGolfSpi ball test, this is what they found using a former industry standard Atti tester:

    Bridgestone Tour BRX = 99.6 avg
    Srixon Z Star = 100.8 avg

    Ultimately this measured difference is negligible between these two models, so the difference you perceived was either sensitivity to the relative hardness of specific layers of the ball or simply a placebo effect based on your comparison of the OEM stated numbers.

    Ya’ll are probably right. All I have to figure out now is whether I’m an idiot for playing this game..... no, that’s not it... or for expressing my experiences playing the game here on this forum.
    Yep, that’s it. I’m an idiot for not having hands of stone and a mind to match.... so that I might share your unbiased scientific declaration.

    As for your condescension and complete dismissal that my experience may have even the slightest chance of being valid, I believe it attempts to invalidate the individual nature of this wonderous endeavor we choose to enjoy and explore, the art, science and glory of man, stick, ball and objective.

    Clearly we experience and interact with our environment differently, I do not expect you to understand that which you cannot experience.

    It matters not what others call you. Only what you answer to defines who you are.
  • Twin2LTwin2L Members Posts: 122 ✭✭✭

    As for the science if it all, take 2 different balls and drop them on the kitchen floor from shoulder height. They will bounce to different heights. I’ve seen some rebound an inch or more higher than another. This is also how they will interact with any surface they come in contact with, be it a clubface, green, cart path or tree. Each will rebound differently. My discussion is about MY utopia ball. It has no consideration or bearing on what you can make do with.

    It matters not what others call you. Only what you answer to defines who you are.
  • MyherobobhopeMyherobobhope hey there, blimpy boy. Flying through the sky so fancy free. Members Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Loving the MTB Black... not sure it's the utopia ball, but it fits my needs for now. Decently priced, performs as I need it...

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  • playaplaya Members Posts: 8,747 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Red4282 said:

    @Mikey5e said:
    Question : Could a PGA professional score as well with a Top Flite bomb as with a Titleist Pro V1? I know they probably couldn't get quite the spin off the Top Flight but they can adapt as well.

    Probably not but i would expect the difference to be fairly small. 3-5 shots maybe

    Over 18 holes I would guess 1-2 shots max. I agree that pros would adapt and are good enough to score with any ball under normal conditions, but if the greens were very hard and fast maybe the 3-5 shots would be on the table.

  • Red4282Red4282 Members Posts: 337 ✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 8, 2019 4:31am #102

    @Twin2L said:
    As for the science if it all, take 2 different balls and drop them on the kitchen floor from shoulder height. They will bounce to different heights. I’ve seen some rebound an inch or more higher than another. This is also how they will interact with any surface they come in contact with, be it a clubface, green, cart path or tree. Each will rebound differently. My discussion is about MY utopia ball. It has no consideration or bearing on what you can make do with.

    Dropping on the floor does nothing, not even close to compressing the ball like a golf club will. You believe what you wanna believe man... perceptions are exactly that...how you perceive something doesnt always mean thats whats happening.

  • Twin2LTwin2L Members Posts: 122 ✭✭✭

    Dropping on the floor does nothing, not even close to compressing the ball like a golf club will. You believe what you wanna believe man... perceptions are exactly that...how you perceive something doesnt always mean thats whats happening.

    “Don’t believe your lying eyes”.

    Now I understand what you’re saying.

    It matters not what others call you. Only what you answer to defines who you are.
  • NJgolfer11NJgolfer11 Members Posts: 110 ✭✭✭

    I am in the same boat as well.

    I am down to my last 2 sleeves of Bridgestone B-330s. I have tried a few balls. I like the Taylormade Project a and TP5. The a I thought launched a little too high so I am concerned how it will be in the wind.

    The TP5 feels great and I get a lot of distance off the tee, but I am not sure if it will travel as well with my irons.

    When I had my fitting earlier in the year, but numbers for my driver were on average, 93.7 club head speed, 141 ball speed, 2712 spin rate.

    7-iron was 78.6 club head speed, 111.8 ball speed, 5625 spin rate.

    I am going to try different golf balls and see which one is best for me going forward, but I think I am asking for much.

    I want a soft feeling ball, that I can gain an extra 5 yards of carry with my irons, but also want it to check up well on my pitches and chips. I also prefer a softer feel off the putter.

    Am I asking for too much?

  • monks66monks66 Members Posts: 645 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @NJgolfer11 said:
    I am in the same boat as well.

    I am down to my last 2 sleeves of Bridgestone B-330s. I have tried a few balls. I like the Taylormade Project a and TP5. The a I thought launched a little too high so I am concerned how it will be in the wind.

    The TP5 feels great and I get a lot of distance off the tee, but I am not sure if it will travel as well with my irons.

    When I had my fitting earlier in the year, but numbers for my driver were on average, 93.7 club head speed, 141 ball speed, 2712 spin rate.

    7-iron was 78.6 club head speed, 111.8 ball speed, 5625 spin rate.

    I am going to try different golf balls and see which one is best for me going forward, but I think I am asking for much.

    I want a soft feeling ball, that I can gain an extra 5 yards of carry with my irons, but also want it to check up well on my pitches and chips. I also prefer a softer feel off the putter.

    Am I asking for too much?

    AVX my friend

  • Twin2LTwin2L Members Posts: 122 ✭✭✭
    edited Aug 8, 2019 9:59pm #106

    @NJgolfer11 said:
    I am in the same boat as well.

    I am down to my last 2 sleeves of Bridgestone B-330s. I have tried a few balls. I like the Taylormade Project a and TP5. The a I thought launched a little too high so I am concerned how it will be in the wind.

    The TP5 feels great and I get a lot of distance off the tee, but I am not sure if it will travel as well with my irons.

    When I had my fitting earlier in the year, but numbers for my driver were on average, 93.7 club head speed, 141 ball speed, 2712 spin rate.

    7-iron was 78.6 club head speed, 111.8 ball speed, 5625 spin rate.

    I am going to try different golf balls and see which one is best for me going forward, but I think I am asking for much.

    I want a soft feeling ball, that I can gain an extra 5 yards of carry with my irons, but also want it to check up well on my pitches and chips. I also prefer a softer feel off the putter.

    Am I asking for too much?

    If you’re already playing the B330S, the BRXS will definitely give you the extra 5 yards with irons, very soft feel off the putter and has plenty of check up. The BRX is also worth a try, will also give you the 5 yard increase on irons and will feel slightly firmer off the putter if the BRXS feels too soft.

    It matters not what others call you. Only what you answer to defines who you are.
  • BreezyBrett20BreezyBrett20 Members Posts: 84 ✭✭✭

    @Twin2L said:

    @NJgolfer11 said:
    I am in the same boat as well.

    I am down to my last 2 sleeves of Bridgestone B-330s. I have tried a few balls. I like the Taylormade Project a and TP5. The a I thought launched a little too high so I am concerned how it will be in the wind.

    The TP5 feels great and I get a lot of distance off the tee, but I am not sure if it will travel as well with my irons.

    When I had my fitting earlier in the year, but numbers for my driver were on average, 93.7 club head speed, 141 ball speed, 2712 spin rate.

    7-iron was 78.6 club head speed, 111.8 ball speed, 5625 spin rate.

    I am going to try different golf balls and see which one is best for me going forward, but I think I am asking for much.

    I want a soft feeling ball, that I can gain an extra 5 yards of carry with my irons, but also want it to check up well on my pitches and chips. I also prefer a softer feel off the putter.

    Am I asking for too much?

    If you’re already playing the B330S, the BRXS will definitely give you the extra 5 yards with irons, very soft feel off the putter and has plenty of check up. The BRX is also worth a try, will also give you the 5 yard increase on irons and will feel slightly firmer off the putter if the BRXS feels too soft.

    RX is a really good ball

  • NJgolfer11NJgolfer11 Members Posts: 110 ✭✭✭

    @Twin2L said:

    @NJgolfer11 said:
    I am in the same boat as well.

    I am down to my last 2 sleeves of Bridgestone B-330s. I have tried a few balls. I like the Taylormade Project a and TP5. The a I thought launched a little too high so I am concerned how it will be in the wind.

    The TP5 feels great and I get a lot of distance off the tee, but I am not sure if it will travel as well with my irons.

    When I had my fitting earlier in the year, but numbers for my driver were on average, 93.7 club head speed, 141 ball speed, 2712 spin rate.

    7-iron was 78.6 club head speed, 111.8 ball speed, 5625 spin rate.

    I am going to try different golf balls and see which one is best for me going forward, but I think I am asking for much.

    I want a soft feeling ball, that I can gain an extra 5 yards of carry with my irons, but also want it to check up well on my pitches and chips. I also prefer a softer feel off the putter.

    Am I asking for too much?

    If you’re already playing the B330S, the BRXS will definitely give you the extra 5 yards with irons, very soft feel off the putter and has plenty of check up. The BRX is also worth a try, will also give you the 5 yard increase on irons and will feel slightly firmer off the putter if the BRXS feels too soft.

    I did try the BRXS. I remember it feeling very nice. However, my concern is that I hit a high ball and with the low compression, I am afraid it will not travel well in the wind.

    I played the new ProV1X over the weekend and really like the feel. Compared to the TP5, my ball flight looked lower and on the level I am looking for.

    I am going to try the new BX and BXS, along with the Srixon XV. After that, I think I have an idea of which will be best for me.

    Thank you!

  • Mikey5eMikey5e Members Posts: 931 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There isn't such a 'utopia' ball. I find I love the ball more when I score well with it, but dislike it when I score poorly.

  • deepreddeepred Members Posts: 252 ✭✭✭✭

    @playa said:

    @Red4282 said:

    @Mikey5e said:
    Question : Could a PGA professional score as well with a Top Flite bomb as with a Titleist Pro V1? I know they probably couldn't get quite the spin off the Top Flight but they can adapt as well.

    Probably not but i would expect the difference to be fairly small. 3-5 shots maybe

    Over 18 holes I would guess 1-2 shots max. I agree that pros would adapt and are good enough to score with any ball under normal conditions, but if the greens were very hard and fast maybe the 3-5 shots would be on the table.

    At Augusta National in mid April I think the difference would be more than a couple of strokes. Muirfield Village after three days of thunderstorms, probably not much difference in their scores but it would be fun to watch

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  • monks66monks66 Members Posts: 645 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I want to find a utopia ball, but new balls come out and part of my love for golf is trying new balls. I must say, i love the 2019 Pro v1X, the specs make it a mid handi's ball, not just low handi...great feel

  • monks66monks66 Members Posts: 645 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ooops sorry, I meant Pro v1, not Pro v1x in last post

  • Tim SherwoodTim Sherwood Members Posts: 355 ✭✭✭✭

    I think Project S may be the nicest ball I've ever played. Unfortunately I bought 30 Srixon Z stars + 30 Z Star XV's before I realised this.

  • monks66monks66 Members Posts: 645 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i am really loving the 2019 Pro v1...mostly cuz of the specs, a mid or high handi can truly play it and not be hurt by the usual high prov1 spin from tee to green

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