Grip size

shanxshanx Members Posts: 791 ✭✭

I have big hands, I wear XXL golf gloves. In theory, I should be playing with "jumbo" grips, or at least midsize, but they always felt too "bulky" to me. I recently bought a set of irons that have jumbo grips on them, and while the feel is weird to me, the grips are brand new and I feel terrible pulling them off the set.

What are the issues associated with playing grips that are too small? What are the benefits to playing properly sized grips..

Anyone else play the "wrong" sized grips?

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  • SocratesSocrates How can it be so *&#% hard to make a shoulder turn? WinnipegClubWRX Posts: 9,378 ClubWRX

    Most people who are wearing XXL gloves have thick hands and quite often make the mistake of thinking they need XL grips when more than likely, they need standard or even undersized grips.

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  • driveandputtmachinedriveandputtmachine 4 wedges or 2 iron? That is the question! Members Posts: 1,211 ✭✭

    I wear a large glove, and use Lamkin Oversized crosslines. Not the midsized ones, the oversized. So yes I use "wrong" sized grips. I want my hands as quiet as possible, so I have always used at least mid-sized grips. The jumbo ones help even more with this.

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  • Stuart_GStuart_G New HampshireMembers Posts: 23,536 ✭✭
    edited Jul 9, 2019 4:54pm #4

    @shanx said:
    I have big hands, I wear XXL golf gloves. In theory, I should be playing with "jumbo" grips, or at least midsize, but they always felt too "bulky" to me. I recently bought a set of irons that have jumbo grips on them, and while the feel is weird to me, the grips are brand new and I feel terrible pulling them off the set.

    What are the issues associated with playing grips that are too small? What are the benefits to playing properly sized grips..

    "In theory" one should play the size of grip that feels most comfortable - allows a secure feeling hold on the club with the minimal amount of grip pressure. At least that's the only theory that matters.

    There are lots of ways changing grip size can influence the results - but they are very subjective so not very predictable. There are some very common misconceptions on what should happen but those should be ignored. e.g. too big restricts the hands or slows the release - too small speeds up the release and makes the hands more active. Neither are any type of universal or even reliable "truth".

    It really comes down to
    1) how does the different size effect the grip pressure and muscle tension in the forearms
    2) how does the change in size effect how the player places the grips in the hands.
    3) and how those differences might effect the set-up position and actual swing.

    So bottom line is that the ONLY way you'll know how it will effect you and your results - is to go out and hit some balls with those grips and see what happens.

    If you ask around, you might find some local builder willing to try and blow the grips off w/o damaging them. It's a PITA but it is possible if one has the right tools.

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  • BigCat78BigCat78 San DiegoMembers Posts: 35 ✭✭

    I believe if you play a grip too small you may have the tendency to turn over the club, so potentially more pulls and hooks. That being said I think you should play what feels comfortable to you.

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  • jimb6golfjimb6golf Members Posts: 1,589 ✭✭

    I believe that too small a grip makes your hands too active and can cause pull hooks, etc. as mentioned above. The opposite is true with too large a grip which doens't allow you hands to be active enough I guess. From what I remember being told you're supposed to use a grip that allows your last 3 left hand fingers (rh player) to just tough your palm. But ultimately it comes down to what you are comfortable with.

  • SocratesSocrates How can it be so *&#% hard to make a shoulder turn? WinnipegClubWRX Posts: 9,378 ClubWRX

    @BigCat78 said:
    I believe if you play a grip too small you may have the tendency to turn over the club, so potentially more pulls and hooks. That being said I think you should play what feels comfortable to you.

    What it usually leads to is re-gripping during the swing which leads to the pulls and hooks since the face is usually closed. Path is another matter entirely.

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  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 10,384 ✭✭

    I wear a size "Medium" glove but that's because I want it to really stretch onto my hand and fit as snugly as possible. Probably I'm more of a natural "Medium-Large" hand size.

    But I don't do well with standard sized grips. Most midsize are a bit too large but I'm better off with midsize than a typical standard Tour Velvet or NDMC type. I've found that a tiny bit too large a grip has almost no effect on my swing but an even slightly too small one makes me clench too hard with my bottom hand, trying to keep a secure hold.

    I've ended up with the Star Grips Smoothee which is supposedly "standard" but seems to be about 0.020 or 0.025" larger than standard Tour Velvet, for instance. Perfect.

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  • Adam CAdam C Members Posts: 419 ✭✭

    My rule of thumb is always go to the bigger size if you are going to error either way. Smaller grips lead to tension and tension is just bad. Yes, the standard rule is smaller grips will miss left for RH and larger will miss right but I have seen that tension from a smaller grip lead to misses both ways. I truly believe that if you go hit 100 balls with the larger grips, they will no longer feel weird. It alway gets my goat when people on here talk about fitting and the idea that you can instantly know what is good and what is bad. If you make a swing change, how long does it take before that movement feels right? Hundreds of balls, maybe 500.

    So play what you like, but don't discount something just based on initial feel. Give it a chance.

  • SUPERGSUPERG Members Posts: 28 ✭✭

    Midsize feels good to me and I have XXL hands as well. But after switching to standard plus 4 wraps I'll never go back, I feel like I have good control without being disconnected from the shaft but it's also not super skinny either.

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  • MyherobobhopeMyherobobhope hey there, blimpy boy. Flying through the sky so fancy free. Members Posts: 2,229 ✭✭

    I got a new shaft today and it had a regular grip on it... I hit it fine for most of the round, but just don't trust regular sized grips. Got it regripped into a midsize for my game tomorrow... I spent $14 to get it regripped with a Midsize Golf Pride MCC 4 Plus. I will probably replace the driver before I replace the grip.
    Play what you are comfortable with. I can't swing a club I'm not comfortable with. For me, I need midsize grips... It's worth the money every time... then again, I regripped my old wedges with the same midsize grips but with paint fill in the crosses so they matched my new wedge.
    I'm VERY particular about my grips. It's not much of an investment to get them done right.

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  • shanxshanx Members Posts: 791 ✭✭

    @SUPERG said:
    Midsize feels good to me and I have XXL hands as well. But after switching to standard plus 4 wraps I'll never go back, I feel like I have good control without being disconnected from the shaft but it's also not super skinny either.

    Funny you say that. My other set has +4 grips on them (well, the previous owner simulated +4 by building up sections with tape) and I have gotten to like them.

  • MyherobobhopeMyherobobhope hey there, blimpy boy. Flying through the sky so fancy free. Members Posts: 2,229 ✭✭

    @shanx said:

    @SUPERG said:
    Midsize feels good to me and I have XXL hands as well. But after switching to standard plus 4 wraps I'll never go back, I feel like I have good control without being disconnected from the shaft but it's also not super skinny either.

    Funny you say that. My other set has +4 grips on them (well, the previous owner simulated +4 by building up sections with tape) and I have gotten to like them.

    Sounds like you know what you like... I'd get them regripped... I also wear XXL gloves (and have big hands) and play midsize... if you are comfortable with a grip go with that.

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  • JDMRN81JDMRN81 PAMembers Posts: 471 ✭✭

    I played standard for years until recently realizing I’m gripping way too hard. Started with some medium grips but now I’m experimenting with oversized grips which I’m liking even better so far. My grip is more relaxed now and don’t feel like I’m strangling the shaft. For reference I wear a large glove.

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  • kro88kro88 Members Posts: 140 ✭✭

    i just went the other direction (from midsize w/ less taper to standard w/ more taper). I feel I can easily grip the club with my left hand only and apply just my right fingers on the club for a guide. my swing has gotten shorter over the years and the smaller grip helps the club to set properly at the top. making a full turn back is the most critical thing for my swing. i think the whole pull left thing is a myth that sort of caught on. my pulls come from not finishing the back-swing. go for what feels good when you hit a half speed swing.

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  • mantanmantan Members Posts: 2,538 ✭✭

    @JDMRN81 said:
    I played standard for years until recently realizing I’m gripping way too hard. Started with some medium grips but now I’m experimenting with oversized grips which I’m liking even better so far. My grip is more relaxed now and don’t feel like I’m strangling the shaft. For reference I wear a large glove.

    Same here. I always struggled with a death grip on the club. A new instructor noticed how my fingers were digging into my palms. I realized I had to do that to feel like I had a secure grip. He suggested I get midsized grips and immediately I felt like I could take a lighter grip.

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  • cgasuckscgasucks Members Posts: 2,253 ✭✭
    edited Jul 9, 2019 11:35pm #17

    It's all personal preference. There's no law saying you have to play with smaller grips if you have small hands and vice versa. I don't wear a glove anymore but back in the day when I do it was a Medium Cadet yet I've been playing with Oversized Grips (Lamkin Crossline) for the past 5 years. It just feels better in my hand and the chances of me rolling the clubface over is lowered.

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  • ohioglfrohioglfr Municipal Junkie Dayton, OhioMembers Posts: 763 ✭✭

    I have big hands and played standard grips for a long time. My hands and wrists would usually feel weak, even ache, after a round. Some years ago, lamkin oversized grips were on sale, so I gripped my irons with those and loved them. Hands and wrists felt fine, and I felt it was easier to keep a good grip with less pressure. These days I play Winn Dri-Tac OS because they're comfortable, good grip in rain/sweat and probably the only grip out there in +1/8 that's 50 grams (no swing weight tweaks).

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  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 10,384 ✭✭
    edited Jul 11, 2019 2:43pm #19

    @cgasucks said:
    It's all personal preference. There's no law saying you have to play with smaller grips if you have small hands and vice versa. I don't wear a glove anymore but back in the day when I do it was a Medium Cadet yet I've been playing with Oversized Grips (Lamkin Crossline) for the past 5 years. It just feels better in my hand and the chances of me rolling the clubface over is lowered.

    I mostly know what size glove I use from playing for a few years with Tour Velvet or NDMC or MCC Plus 4 grips that were just a tiny bit too small. It was forming an awful, ugly callus at the base of my right hand (lefty golfer) so I started wearing gloves.

    Now that I'm using the very slightly larger Star Grips that fit me perfectly, I don't wear the gloves any more and no callus!

    Post edited by North Butte on
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  • MattM97MattM97 Members Posts: 474 ✭✭

    I'm an XL to XXL glove, very big/thick palm.

    I play midsize grip MCC plus4 grips on all but my driver and hybrid. The midsize feels pretty good, could probably do with an extra wrap or two on them.

    But I've felt some jumbo and oversized grips and it feels like a baseball bat to me.

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  • Jetierney13Jetierney13 Members Posts: 57 ✭✭

    I wear a XL/XXL glove and play the standard MCC Plus4 grips. I tried midsize and they just didn't feel right compared to the standard.

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  • shanxshanx Members Posts: 791 ✭✭

    @MattM97 said:

    But I've felt some jumbo and oversized grips and it feels like a baseball bat to me.

    This is my feeling too.....

  • MattM97MattM97 Members Posts: 474 ✭✭

    @shanx said:

    @MattM97 said:

    But I've felt some jumbo and oversized grips and it feels like a baseball bat to me.

    This is my feeling too.....

    So if midsize is just too small add a few layers of wrap. If anything try a single club and then do the rest after.

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    Fariway: Cobra F7 - 15.5° Draw - Tensei Blue 65S Shaft
    Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 - 20° Draw - Diamana S+ 70R Shaft
    Irons: Srixon Z585 - 4i to 7i - Z785 - 8i to PW - AMT Tour White S300 Shaft
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  • ballzoballzo Sacramento, CAMembers Posts: 642 ✭✭

    I've been playing around with grip size right now. I've got a whole lot of different sizes going on in my bag for a while to figure out what I like best. Then I'll do em all the same later.

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  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 10,384 ✭✭

    I'll tell you how far down the rabbit hole I've gone lately...

    I noticed that when I choke down on my hybrids, the grip feels less skinny than it does on my irons. So I got out the calipers and, go figure, the hybrid shafts where they exit the bottom of the grip are 0.590" diameter. Basically those shafts hardly taper at all in the first ten inches below the 0.600" butts. My irons are about 0.575" where they exit the grip. And my sand wedge shaft (different shaft than in my irons) is just 0.565" where the grip ends.

    You'd think no way I can feel a difference of about 15 thousandths under my left hand but I think i can. So I pulled my PW grip, added some of that extra thick build-up tape (adds 0.015" per wrap) starting at the first shaft step-down point, added the usual grip tape and regripped it. I swear it feels better under the left hand in normal address position and it definitely feels less choked-down skinny.

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  • gsrjcgsrjc TOC Members Posts: 1,429 ✭✭
    edited Jul 11, 2019 8:38pm #26

    I wear a small titleist glove but I believe I have normal size hands. I use the pure pro regular grips with 1 wrap of tape and then 3 wraps on the right hand. I’m right handed.

  • LHGolf4LHGolf4 Lefty Boomers Posts: 432 ✭✭

    I wear a medium large glove but I play oversized Winn Excel grips. Had a set from CallawayPreOwned that they forgot to re-grip and left them on there. At first I was like WTH??? I did not have time to change them out before I played and after few holes I really started to like them because I would not squeeze down so hard and it really helped my tendonitis.

  • JDCONJDCON Behind YouMembers Posts: 265 ✭✭

    I wear a medium glove (properly fitting unlike most people who wear their gloves too loose). I recently tried using Jumbomax grips and loved them, however, I started experiencing really bad elbow pain. I can only guess it's due to a grip that is way too big. I'm regripping them with midsize grips on Monday.

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  • mogc60mogc60 Members Posts: 580 ✭✭
    edited Jul 13, 2019 3:39am #29

    @North Butte said:
    I'll tell you how far down the rabbit hole I've gone lately...

    I noticed that when I choke down on my hybrids, the grip feels less skinny than it does on my irons. So I got out the calipers and, go figure, the hybrid shafts where they exit the bottom of the grip are 0.590" diameter. Basically those shafts hardly taper at all in the first ten inches below the 0.600" butts. My irons are about 0.575" where they exit the grip. And my sand wedge shaft (different shaft than in my irons) is just 0.565" where the grip ends.

    You'd think no way I can feel a difference of about 15 thousandths under my left hand but I think i can. So I pulled my PW grip, added some of that extra thick build-up tape (adds 0.015" per wrap) starting at the first shaft step-down point, added the usual grip tape and regripped it. I swear it feels better under the left hand in normal address position and it definitely feels less choked-down skinny.

    Remender the old story about the Princess and the Pea? I think I am the Princess.

    That’s exactly how I felt a really long time ago about my grips and noticed the same thing. So for 20 years I have been so particular about how many wraps I put under the grip and where to get it where it feels right. You aren’t crazy...you can feel those small of differences. When you find that size that feels right, that’s your number. Hard part is the test runs sometimes to get it right for different shafts. When I grip a set of irons I use the 3 iron as the test dummy. It’s the least used so I don’t normally tear it off after if it’s wrong. But it becomes the basis for more or less buildup tape. I just put Catalyst 100 shafts in my irons and ended up with 1 full wrap and 6 extra wraps under the right hand progressing down the grip with each wrap. Basically first extra wrap to the left hand. Next wrap starts inch below that and so on. Almost eliminates the taper. Used UTX grips.

  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 8,875 ✭✭
    edited Jul 13, 2019 4:57am #30

    @Adam C said:
    My rule of thumb is always go to the bigger size if you are going to error either way. Smaller grips lead to tension and tension is just bad. Yes, the standard rule is smaller grips will miss left for RH and larger will miss right but I have seen that tension from a smaller grip lead to misses both ways. I truly believe that if you go hit 100 balls with the larger grips, they will no longer feel weird. It alway gets my goat when people on here talk about fitting and the idea that you can instantly know what is good and what is bad. If you make a swing change, how long does it take before that movement feels right? Hundreds of balls, maybe 500.

    So play what you like, but don't discount something just based on initial feel. Give it a chance.

    Agree, the "book" is not really correct, but we often see a "variable face angle" from grips to small, but thats hardly ever present with grips too large, its seem easier to adapt to a large size than a smaller size.

    When Jumbomax came to the marked in 2011 i took them home and expected that many players would struggle to close up face in time...nope, that did not happen, so we are back to "comfort" and how your hands like it or not, that seams to be the most important, and thats personal.

    Grip size charts suggest i should use standard with 2 layers of BU or 0.930 measured 2 inch below the grip end, but i play Lamkin Crossline JUMBO, so for the lowest hand, the difference is HUGE since Lamkin has less taper than Golf Pride and for me, thats way better than suggested grip size. (im getting old so this change is as expected, my hand is not like im 20 yrs anymore so tension comes very easy if something is not comfortable)

  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 8,875 ✭✭
    edited Jul 13, 2019 5:26am #31

    @North Butte said:
    I'll tell you how far down the rabbit hole I've gone lately...

    I noticed that when I choke down on my hybrids, the grip feels less skinny than it does on my irons. So I got out the calipers and, go figure, the hybrid shafts where they exit the bottom of the grip are 0.590" diameter. Basically those shafts hardly taper at all in the first ten inches below the 0.600" butts. My irons are about 0.575" where they exit the grip. And my sand wedge shaft (different shaft than in my irons) is just 0.565" where the grip ends.

    You'd think no way I can feel a difference of about 15 thousandths under my left hand but I think i can. So I pulled my PW grip, added some of that extra thick build-up tape (adds 0.015" per wrap) starting at the first shaft step-down point, added the usual grip tape and regripped it. I swear it feels better under the left hand in normal address position and it definitely feels less choked-down skinny.

    Remender the old story about the Princess and the Pea? I think I am the Princess.

    THIS......go for what feels right.

    A few words about grip sizing in general.
    The standard for grip size is only 1 spot on the grip, 2 inch below the grip end, so depending on the actual grip s shape and taper, the size for the lowest hand might be variable even if the grip size suggest they are the same, but its ONLY 2 inch below the grip end they are equal.

    To make this "right", we have to start by measuring the shaft butt from the end and 10 inch down.
    On many iron shafts, especially wedges, we are already down and over 3 steps or more, so the shaft butt is hardly ever strait and equal on all the 10 inches down. I suggest that we use build up on the steps to get all 10 inches the grip covers to become the same start diameter.

    IF we feel that the LOWEST hand is the one who should have more diameter, we dont need a larger "overall size", but can use asymmetrical build up to straiten out the taper and add diameter for the lowest hand. Before Golfpride MCC+4 came to the marked, the most sold grip in my shop was New Decade, but for wedges the lowest hand got a diameter too small, so i used a asymmetrical BU who makes them very close to MCC+4, and we can use that on what ever grip we like.

    Here is one example of how we can do that. The "standard" im using here is 4 layers total build up,

    • The Build up tape area is between the White lines on the grip, a total of 10 Inch
      Ive chosen to use "steps of tape" each is 2.25 long
      Start by adding a mark 1 inch down from the butt.

    • First layer starts at this mark and go down against the head side. - This layer is 4 x 2.25 = 9 inch

    • Second layer start from the head side and up, - This layer is 3 x 2.25 = 6.75 inch
    • Third layer starts from the head side and up. - This layer is 2 x 2.25 = 4.5 inch
    • Forth layer starts from the head side and up - This layer is 1 x 2.25 = 2.25

    Here is how it looks on the shaft butt when we have added the asymmetrical BU suggested.

    This photo shows a grip where ive used a pen to show where each step of BU ends up, and ive also marked the steps of the shaft, so we clearly see that shaft butt diameter goes down (build them up first so the whole grip section of 10 inch is strait).

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