Talked to Ping regarding shaft changes

balls_deepballs_deep Members Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
edited Jul 18, 2019 4:52pm in WRX Club Techs #1

Had two questions for them:

  1. if I change stock Glide Stealth AWT shafts to DG how will SW be affected?
    He told me they would only advise getting Ping HQ to do this as the CTP would need to be drastically adjusted. Has anyone done this? I loved the Stealth heads/grinds but hated the AWT shaft - moon balls.

  2. Will changing my DGS300 from my iBlades to PX 6.0 require adjustment to SW?
    He said no. They should go straight in and be no issue at all. Again, how is this possible given the above?

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  • farmerfarmer Members Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Probably has to do with how the shafts are balanced.

  • NessismNessism To measure is to know... Members Posts: 18,723 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    DG shafts are about 6 grams heavier than AWT 2.0 Wedge shafts. Unless the balance point is drastically different, which I doubt, there won't be a big swingweight change. I might be able to do an experiment for you since I just bought a Stealth 60 w/AWT I want to change the shaft on and I've got some DG's laying around too. Stay tuned...

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    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 Hybrid w/Aldila Kuro Kage 80S
    Ping G410 irons w/Recoil 95S
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  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 9,150 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @balls_deep said:
    Had two questions for them:

    1. if I change stock Glide Stealth AWT shafts to DG how will SW be affected?
      He told me they would only advise getting Ping HQ to do this as the CTP would need to be drastically adjusted. Has anyone done this? I loved the Stealth heads/grinds but hated the AWT shaft - moon balls.

    2. Will changing my DGS300 from my iBlades to PX 6.0 require adjustment to SW?
      He said no. They should go straight in and be no issue at all. Again, how is this possible given the above?

    We should use a SW scale if we want specs dead on....
    DG and PX has the same balance point, so X100 or S300 to PX 6.5 is "very close", while S300 to PX 6.0 gets closer to 1 SWP down...but, there is always "tolerances" for both actual weight and actual BP, and how precise are you able to cut them to play length?. For play lengths 1/8" should be no issue (we should be able to cut way more precise) , but 1/8" is 0.75 SWP, so even 1/3 of that or 1 mm, move SW by 0.25 SWP....
    Even a change to lie angles move SW where we can use 4* as lie change = 1 SWP, so 1* off on lie is another 0.25 SWP....

    Dont forget that ALL tolerances as a sum end up as as difference to SW values, so its on the head weight we compensate to make them on slope, so even if we make all heads to 7.00000 grams between them, tolerances from the rest of the club will move SW values plus minus all the way,

    So without a SW scale, we might make it look nice on a piece of paper, but that dont mean they will be like that when we measure them, so how tight tolerances do you need? and are you sure the SW values you play is the ideal for you? and still is when shaft weight goes down with 10 grams?

    If you dont mind lead tape on your clubs, just change (move all tip weight, they belongs to the head, not the shaft), and when done, try them off and add lead tape if they dont feel right, and never mind what values the SW scale returns, those values is only important for club repair or when we try to duplicate specs from a club from as a fitting session to a club the player should play.

  • nova6868nova6868 Members Posts: 4,737 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Jul 18, 2019 5:47pm #5

    I don't know the balance point of the AWT 2.0 wedge shaft, but assume it's similar to the Nippon WV wedge shafts which are balanced more toward the handle. So you will likely gain SW going to the S400. A couple points?

  • magnus7319magnus7319 A hungry dog hunts best - Lee Trevino Members Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Jul 18, 2019 5:58pm #6

    As said above the PX and DG are pretty close in overall weight, but #1 the SG shaft is heavier than the AWT which creates problems. If it was the other way around, you could make up weight with lead tape or tip weights... but since these shafts are heavier, the overall club might come out much heavier, into a weight that is too heavy for you... then you are left with either going shorter in the shaft or porting the heads or, as Ping said, sending to them since they have the CTP that can reduce head weight.

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  • balls_deepballs_deep Members Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    All fantastic replies! I'm very thankful for all of the people that makes this forum great. Really appreciate the offer of checking for me @Nessism

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  • NessismNessism To measure is to know... Members Posts: 18,723 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Glide Stealth 60SS was D2.3 (or so) with the stock AWT 2.0 Wedge shaft. With a DG shaft the swingweight was 3 points higher. The shaft weight alone won't cause that much swingweight change so that suggests the AWT has a high balance point.

    Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver 60S
    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 5 wood w/Aldila Rogue Black 70S
    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 Hybrid w/Aldila Kuro Kage 80S
    Ping G410 irons w/Recoil 95S
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    Ping Anser/Arna putter - the "real deal!"
  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 9,150 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Nessism said:
    Glide Stealth 60SS was D2.3 (or so) with the stock AWT 2.0 Wedge shaft. With a DG shaft the swingweight was 3 points higher. The shaft weight alone won't cause that much swingweight change so that suggests the AWT has a high balance point.

    WOW, that was a lot if shaft weight difference is only 6 grams, so those AWT must be really butt heavy for a steel shaft to move SW by 3 points, they sound like they are designed for over length clubs to keep SW down.

    If they are match on SW, (both like the DG) the shaft weight/total weight difference is very close to be equalized.

  • balls_deepballs_deep Members Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Howard Jones said:

    @Nessism said:
    Glide Stealth 60SS was D2.3 (or so) with the stock AWT 2.0 Wedge shaft. With a DG shaft the swingweight was 3 points higher. The shaft weight alone won't cause that much swingweight change so that suggests the AWT has a high balance point.

    WOW, that was a lot if shaft weight difference is only 6 grams, so those AWT must be really butt heavy for a steel shaft to move SW by 3 points, they sound like they are designed for over length clubs to keep SW down.

    If they are match on SW, (both like the DG) the shaft weight/total weight difference is very close to be equalized.

    Interesting. In theory though, that swingweight is on par with normal Vokey so it may actually give me the feel I'm after.

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  • NessismNessism To measure is to know... Members Posts: 18,723 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    OEM swingweight is supposed to be D4, so adding 3 points to that makes it D7. Kind of high.

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  • balls_deepballs_deep Members Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Nessism said:
    OEM swingweight is supposed to be D4, so adding 3 points to that makes it D7. Kind of high.

    It coming out at 2.3 for you seems outside of what should be considered +/- tolerance, no? I thought Ping was usually quite tight compared to others

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  • NessismNessism To measure is to know... Members Posts: 18,723 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @balls_deep said:

    @Nessism said:
    OEM swingweight is supposed to be D4, so adding 3 points to that makes it D7. Kind of high.

    It coming out at 2.3 for you seems outside of what should be considered +/- tolerance, no? I thought Ping was usually quite tight compared to others

    Correct. One wild card though is that the wedge I have may have been custom ordered. I bought it used.

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    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 5 wood w/Aldila Rogue Black 70S
    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 Hybrid w/Aldila Kuro Kage 80S
    Ping G410 irons w/Recoil 95S
    Ping Glide 50/55/60 wedges w/Recoil 110S
    Ping Anser/Arna putter - the "real deal!"
  • NessismNessism To measure is to know... Members Posts: 18,723 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Measured balance point and the AWT 2.0 Wedge shaft has a balance point 1" higher than a DG Wedge shaft.

    Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver 60S
    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 5 wood w/Aldila Rogue Black 70S
    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 Hybrid w/Aldila Kuro Kage 80S
    Ping G410 irons w/Recoil 95S
    Ping Glide 50/55/60 wedges w/Recoil 110S
    Ping Anser/Arna putter - the "real deal!"
  • NessismNessism To measure is to know... Members Posts: 18,723 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Installed a Recoil 110 F4 shaft into the Glide and now the swingweight is D6. Perfect. Almost a 4 point increase over the AWT 2.0 Wedge shaft.

    Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver 60S
    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 5 wood w/Aldila Rogue Black 70S
    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 Hybrid w/Aldila Kuro Kage 80S
    Ping G410 irons w/Recoil 95S
    Ping Glide 50/55/60 wedges w/Recoil 110S
    Ping Anser/Arna putter - the "real deal!"
  • balls_deepballs_deep Members Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Nessism said:
    Installed a Recoil 110 F4 shaft into the Glide and now the swingweight is D6. Perfect. Almost a 4 point increase over the AWT 2.0 Wedge shaft.

    Wow big difference! Yeah I could not stand the AWT both in feel and flight. If they had have used the Cally tactic and put "TI" wedge flex in those and had them a bit heavier I think they would've sold an even more ridiculous amount of them.

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