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  • Shades234Shades234 San DiegoMembers  438WRX Points: 181Handicap: 1.2Posts: 438 Greens
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    Would help to not have to carry/push my bag on hilly 36 hole days. Ran out of gas on the back 9 of my US Am qualifier. I wasn't in contention, but there was a huge difference between my first 27 or so holes and the final 9. When my miss off the tee shifts from a push to a pull, I know I'm spent.

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  • PorscheFanPorscheFan Members  1342WRX Points: 203Handicap: 12Posts: 1,342 Platinum Tees
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    Home course - zero
    Most courses - 3 to 5
    Kiawah Ocean Course - I’d say 10 strokes easily.
    Royal Portrush - I’ll let you know in a few weeks, assuming I don’t run out of golf balls.

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  • Krt22Krt22 East BayMembers  9392WRX Points: 3,027Posts: 9,392 Titanium Tees
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    Really depends on the course and how much you know it already. Flat munis or your home course(s) likely almost no benefit. Target golf type courses where you need to know where to miss could be quite a few

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  • gsrjcgsrjc TOC Members  1904WRX Points: 609Posts: 1,904 Platinum Tees
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    I had a walking caddie in April at TPC sawgrass and he thought I could swing out of the rough and advance the ball like pros. I always wanted to chip out but he was like you got this. So for me, a caddie added strokes to my game. Perhaps it depends on the caddie though. I asked for a good one and maybe i didn’t.

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  • LefthookLefthook Golf nerd Members  3327WRX Points: 169Handicap: 6Posts: 3,327 Titanium Tees
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    Some of the “tourist” caddies are only good for carrying the clubs. But if you get a good one at e.g Old Course it will be very helpful.

    I accidentally was set up with a forcaddy once - that was quite useful. On every hole he run 250 yards down to spot where the tee shot ended.

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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members  9762WRX Points: 1,656Posts: 9,762 Titanium Tees
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    On a brand new course with a better player, I could see it saving 4 or 5 strokes. With GPS apps, it's not too hard to tell where you can't miss on your own, but things like putting would be helped a good amount I imagine, and also on approached, having a caddie to let you know of any false fronts or tiers you can't make out by naked eye would help, too.

    For a hack like me, caddie probably would not make a huge difference. Maybe 1 or 2 strokes I'd guess. Not worth the money unless it was part of green fee.

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  • DavePelz4DavePelz4 A golf course in the Chicago area.ClubWRX  25499WRX Points: 2,701Handicap: 2 ManyPosts: 25,499 ClubWRX
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    Depends on the quality of the caddie, his or her course knowledge, ability to read greens and of course, not laugh too hard at me.

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  • Gamble GambleGamble Gamble #TwistFaceExperience ClubWRX  3602WRX Points: 184Posts: 3,602 ClubWRX
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    On -, @Ferguson said:

    Played with and without, same course. Caddies are overrated. Just like celebrity events of any kind, cucumber sandwiches, 30 SPF sunscreen, Kevin Bacon, the opening ceremonies at the Olympics, performance golf socks, foie gras, pro football and tanning salons.

    footjoy pro dry are the best socks by far. Better than Bombas and any other higher end sock... they are so good that i only wear prodry's unless i am wearing a suit or slacks

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  • JDCONJDCON PrincetonMembers  352WRX Points: 153Handicap: .2Posts: 352 Greens
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    If it's a caddy like in Caddyshack... about 12 strokes.

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  • PepperturboPepperturbo Midwest and SouthwestMembers  16884WRX Points: 1,034Handicap: 4-5Posts: 16,884 Titanium Tees
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    Only guessing. On St. Andrews or the like maybe seven strokes per 18. But stateside or any of the upscale courses I frequent caddies are an almost costly remnant of golfs past. When I walk my pushcart carries the bag and my Garmin handles yardage. The only aspect that is unfortunate is as caddies disappear so do those beginner jobs for kids.

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  • SomedayScratchSomedayScratch Members  563WRX Points: 64Posts: 563 Golden Tee
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    I would say on average... less than 1 stroke but more than 0 strokes. A typical round in the -3 to +2 strokes range. Even half a stroke per round is potentially worth hundreds of thousands or more for a PGA pro.

    They aren't going to make you better every round; some you'll play the exact same, some you'll you make the right play because of them, others you'll make the wrong play because of them. Overall, over the long haul, if you have a caddy that knows what they are doing, you'll gain a little bit of an advantage. But nothing too crazy. Not the several strokes other are suggesting, unless you are an inexperienced player.

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  • FergusonFerguson Members  5939WRX Points: 3,404Handicap: 7.0Posts: 5,939 Titanium Tees
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    On -, @Gamble Gamble said:

    On -, @Ferguson said:

    Played with and without, same course. Caddies are overrated. Just like celebrity events of any kind, cucumber sandwiches, 30 SPF sunscreen, Kevin Bacon, the opening ceremonies at the Olympics, performance golf socks, foie gras, pro football and tanning salons.

    footjoy pro dry are the best socks by far. Better than Bombas and any other higher end sock... they are so good that i only wear prodry's unless i am wearing a suit or slacks

    The footjoy socks do not pill. I will give you that.
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  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJMembers  8165WRX Points: 1,386Handicap: +1.5 (1194646)Posts: 8,165 Titanium Tees
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    known course -- maybe 1-2
    unknown course -- could be as much as 4-6

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    The one I had at Pebble saved me 3 or 4 strokes at least. He figured out my distances in the first couple of holes and after that the strategy he advised for every hole was spot on. The one I had at Westchester CC cost me 5: his reads on the greens we atrocious ( often wrong side of the hole ) and he kept having me hit to bad spots. It all depends on the caddy.

    I was a caddy in my teens and early 20's. If you were nice, I was good, but jerks I cost strokes with things like reads being a 1/2 inch off. I carried a lot of doubles, so sometimes I was helping one and hurting the other. Having been a caddy, I try to be nice to them even when they are worthless.

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    On -, @kobe123 said:

    On -, @Optimus-Par said:

    Not so much a caddie to save me strokes, but perhaps some spectators positioned about 280 off the tee to point out my ball once I get up there. I always have jealous feelings for the tour guys when they have a multitude of people looking for their ball.

    This is 100% right. The ability to find a ball in 3 minutes is insane. ****, sometimes I can't find mine in the first cut.

    I second this! My caddy at Bandon was insane at finding balls. It's not like he was standing in the fairway either, he'd be on the tee with us and just confidently say that he'd find it.

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  • 2bGood2bGood Members  5466WRX Points: 713Handicap: 3-8Posts: 5,466 Titanium Tees
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    Maybe .5 to 1 stroke on a course I know well. I play allot of competitive 2 man best ball matches over the year. You essentially act as each others caddie (except for carrying clubs and raking bunkers). I tend to play a bit better in this format and part of it is the second set of eyes, and talking about shots etc. On the putting green I notice it most. IF you have a good partner(caddie) you know well, have them confirm a read you may be unsure of helps with a more confident stroke.

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    On -, @SNIPERBBB said:

    Only time I want a caddy is on a new course, more for off the tee and approach shots. Home course after a year you shouldn't need any help.

    Lots of people are posting something along this lines. My home course I have played 1000 times at least. I can read the break of putts as my approach shot lands, but I still misread putts all the time when it comes to the specific detail.

    I also assume we are talking about a pga style caddie - someone you know well, can trust and work with.

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  • sirparalotsirparalot Members  777WRX Points: 120Handicap: 7.6Posts: 777 Golden Tee
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    My most recent caddie experience at Harbor Town saved me 3-4 strokes. He knew where to drive the ball and where to miss the incredibly small greens to have a chance at saving par. Cant say he did much for me on the greens.

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  • b.mattayb.mattay New WRX'er Members  679WRX Points: 152Handicap: +2Posts: 679 Golden Tee
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    A few for sure.

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    On -, @Ferguson said:

    Played with and without, same course. Caddies are overrated. Just like celebrity events of any kind, cucumber sandwiches, 30 SPF sunscreen, Kevin Bacon, the opening ceremonies at the Olympics, performance golf socks, foie gras, pro football and tanning salons.

    Replace foie gras with truffles and you're 100% correct.
    As to the OP's question, assuming my home course and the caddie knew me and my game/yardages/tendencies inside out, maybe a stroke a round (+/- one).

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  • LefthookLefthook Golf nerd Members  3327WRX Points: 169Handicap: 6Posts: 3,327 Titanium Tees
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    If you get someone like Ken Ventury - and struggle off the tee - you will save a few strokes. When Venturi caddied he checked which ball the player was using and brought with him a few. So there was never a lost ball and never an impossible lie in the woods. I bet he could read putts too.

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  • JRSJRS Members  988WRX Points: 110Posts: 988 Golden Tee
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    last time out my caddy cost me 5 thousand pounds. anyone know where i can get a sleeve of slazenger #1's?

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  • rb2golfrb2golf New YorkMembers  51WRX Points: 35Handicap: +0.7Posts: 51 Bunkers
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    Depends on the caddie. A friend who knows your game and is of same or better playing ability as you could be invaluable, especially in tournament play. For a lot of Am events here in the Northeast, you have to walk 36 holes a day, up and down super hilly courses. Not only does that require a lot of physical energy, when you're tired you make bad decisions. Talking through each shot with a caddy is like having a proofreader. They also can eliminate the amount of decisions you have to make, like picking out a target for instance. Allowing you to tune out a bit more and go into flow state / autopilot.

    A lot of courses I play require caddies. Some are good, some are bad. That high school or college kid with a 14 handicap looking for a summer job, won't be reading my putts for me. The more seasoned the better typically, unless they're just overworked, which many of them are. The better the course, the better the caddy program typically. And if you're a guest, chances are you're going to get the lowest caddy in the pool. Members and those with regular games and who request regular caddies, develop a relationship with their caddy that can last for years. In some cases, they can help them land business deals, win big money when playing $100/hole or something crazy like that, and just overall making them feel confident that they can bring their associates to the course without looking like a fool. To those people, caddies are an essential part of the golf experience. I caddied at a place like that when I was younger, and it was literally the best job I've ever had.

    Mostly I just have caddies carry the bag, but if you're going to use them for reads and stuff, then I'd say it helps you about 10% of the time. It hurts you the other 90% because only you can marry the line to speed. I only call them in when I really don't know which way it goes. And only if they seem like they know what they're doing. I'm also a guest of the place usually so don't typically get the better caddies at the club.

    Hope this helps. :smiley:

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