Call it yips, Call it tempo, nerves over the ball.... Is there a fix?

Lefty Light HItterLefty Light HItter Members Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

If you look at my swing you'd say I should be better than I am. Dan Carraher told me I could be a 0 handicap. I'm not. I hit it well on the range for the most part and have my days where I hit it really well on the course. I hit it worse on the course and it's nerves.

I worry about shanking it and turn one down, then hit a nasty hook. If I don't then I shank. I see trouble and it affects my shot. I've worked on pre-swing routine, but it doesn't prevent thoughts during the swing. I've tried constant motion, waggles, etc over the ball and it helps. I still can get fast on a tight hole and hit a really bad shot. I get that happens with everyone, but for me it does happen more than you'd expect with my ability.

Anywhere you can point me? Anyone with similar stories and make huge strides?

In search of solid contact...

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  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Open Championship! IowaClubWRX Posts: 18,283 ClubWRX
    edited Jul 21, 2019 4:57pm #2

    Maybe you think your ability = your potential and are getting anxious about not playing to a standard that isn't realistic right now or on a particular day, or god forbid on one particular shot? What does Dan say? Used to have the occasional attack of the s_____s, s________d a shot out of the blue for the first time on the course in a long time a week ago, knew why, focused a bit and after another wedge went fine never thought about it the rest of the round. Wasn't that way a few years ago - when that would creep in, it stuck sometimes. Now I have a few more "tools" (i.e., understanding) to trust myself to solve the problem than I used to have.
    I'm no instructor, have improved a ton because of Monte (no ad, just observation and Dan should be able to get you right), but addressing the root cause in my swing that was causing occasional shanks, and two way misses, and on and on, resulted in more consistency, more confidence, etc.

    Maybe you are still not getting past the root issue if s_______g it is a consistent issue? I don't know, just sharing my experience.

    Post edited by Hawkeye77 on
  • Lefty Light HItterLefty Light HItter Members Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    He told me to focus on pre-swing routine, work to think only target when over the ball. I've worked on it, have a routine that is detailed, yet quick and follow it even when I'm struggling. It's just a matter of the result not being there. I believe the process is there.

    In search of solid contact...
  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Open Championship! IowaClubWRX Posts: 18,283 ClubWRX

    @Lefty Light HItter said:
    He told me to focus on pre-swing routine, work to think only target when over the ball. I've worked on it, have a routine that is detailed, yet quick and follow it even when I'm struggling. It's just a matter of the result not being there. I believe the process is there.

    Then I'd say stick with it! Believe me not trying to send you down any rabbit holes.

  • jamgamjamgam ClubWRX Posts: 106 ✭✭✭
    edited Jul 21, 2019 4:14pm #5

    My man I feel your pain. I can practice and practice and never hit a shot on the range like some of the tee balls I hit on the course. I talk with my instructor about it. Routine, relax, breathe deep. whatever. I wanted to go full Stenson yesterday and break my club in half. I topped at least 3 balls yesterday on the tee box and can't remember the last time I topped a ball when practicing

  • glkglk send it in jerome Kodak, Tn/Chucktown, Sc via Chicago & BurghMembers Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    This is easy to say but hard to do. Learn to not care about the result - accept it and focus on the challenge presented by the next shot. And accept that you are a very competent ball striker - if Dan is telling you that you hit it well enough to play scratch then you need to believe it more - doubt kills golf.
    I call it my don't give a **** attitude.

  • oikos1oikos1 Members Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Play more on course golf. Focus on hitting golf shots and keeping your ball in play and less time on whatever it is you do on the range. It obviously isn't helping you play better.

  • jut111jut111 Members Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I’d look outside of golf for your answers. It’s about how you identify with your thoughts and the importance you place on them.

  • Ping's DuckPing's Duck Members Posts: 187 ✭✭✭

    If worrying is the problem your time is not being spent solving the problem.

  • peepeepeepee Members Posts: 84 ✭✭✭

    I had the putting yips for over year and almost gave the game up. I was lucky enough to contact a pro in the UK who had gone through something very similar. His advice helped me get rid of them and its been almost a year yip free. He has written a long article that may have something in it for you. good luck. Just Google Anthony Higgins yips.

  • The PearlThe Pearl Members Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @jut111 said:
    I’d look outside of golf for your answers. It’s about how you identify with your thoughts and the importance you place on them.

    I agree with this. The yips have nothing to do with golf.

  • TIM929TIM929 Los AngelesMembers Posts: 809 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Jul 22, 2019 12:21pm #12

    You're probably better then me, but someone way better then both of us recommended a book to me that has changed the way I think on the course so I’ll pass along the info.

    The book is called “be the target”.

    it teaches you how to think target.. something that’s hard to learn if you don’t train yourself correctly.

    stand and address
    looks at the target
    look at the ball (address it again)
    close your eyes
    point your index finger from the lead hand at the target and hold it there.
    open your eyes and see where you pointing
    Are you pointing left or right of the target?
    if you aren’t pointing spot on at your target... your target sense is weak.

    This book is gold and honestly, it’s the best golf book I read so far... I really hope you give it a try.

    The answer is within the problem says the book... whatever that means.

    Post edited by TIM929 on
  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Open Championship! IowaClubWRX Posts: 18,283 ClubWRX

    And Dan should know if you have anything that should be called the "yips". If so, that's one thing and of course you want to explore it. If not, then really shouldn't be the basis for the thread title because it's implying something that isn't there, and could also be part of the root issue as well if you are tossing the word out there if it doesn't really apply.

    Really hope that isn't the case. Maybe sharing a bit more about what you've worked on with Dan in a more specific way can help with some more focused suggestions from the folks here that could help if you are going to look for help from a forum. Still say stick with Dan and stay the course there, but no idea what you've actually worked on or what your swing looks like at this point in time (again, that would be for the benefit of actual instructors on here, I'm just along for the educational part of it!).

  • Lefty Light HItterLefty Light HItter Members Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @glk said:
    This is easy to say but hard to do. Learn to not care about the result - accept it and focus on the challenge presented by the next shot. And accept that you are a very competent ball striker - if Dan is telling you that you hit it well enough to play scratch then you need to believe it more - doubt kills golf.
    I call it my don't give a **** attitude.

    Yea I know the feeling and I've had it once or twice on the course and it was a really cool experience. Both times happened after I thought the round went to **** and I started speeding up, not giving a **** so I didn't slow my partners down. It doesn't last forever though.

    I know exactly what you mean. I catch myself driving and realize I am not scared at all to crash doing 90 on the highway, changing lanes, etc. If I start to think about it I'll tense up. I actually psyched myself out going up the mountain at Estes Park when I started looking over the cliff and was having trouble going up. To a lesser degree its the same thing with golf. Fear of a bad result, no matter how irrational it is, is what drives these "yips" or really bad swings.

    In search of solid contact...
  • Lefty Light HItterLefty Light HItter Members Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @oikos1 said:
    Play more on course golf. Focus on hitting golf shots and keeping your ball in play and less time on whatever it is you do on the range. It obviously isn't helping you play better.

    Due to my schedule all I do is warm up and play now. Any practice is mirror stuff at home. I've really took home the idea of playing a lot vs sitting at the range.

    In search of solid contact...
  • Lefty Light HItterLefty Light HItter Members Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ping's Duck said:
    If worrying is the problem your time is not being spent solving the problem.

    I'd say it's more subconscious than outright worrying. I'm don't shake, freak out, etc, but I know when a thought crept in during the swing and it helped steer the outcome.

    In search of solid contact...
  • Lefty Light HItterLefty Light HItter Members Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @The Pearl said:

    @jut111 said:
    I’d look outside of golf for your answers. It’s about how you identify with your thoughts and the importance you place on them.

    I agree with this. The yips have nothing to do with golf.

    Yea I've had panic attacks getting on planes and elevators so it's built in there. I don't let them dictate my travel and these "thoughts" don't prevent me from playing, just makes it tougher to play good consistently.

    In search of solid contact...
  • buckeyeflbuckeyefl Members Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Meditation, visualization and putting yourself in the uncomfortable position until it numbs you. Also expectations can be a very bad drug.

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    Drink a couple cold ones

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  • PepperturboPepperturbo Midwest and SouthwestMembers Posts: 15,839 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    There is NO solution for people that worry and suddenly cope with the yips. It more than likely affects other non-golf aspects of life. So, offering simple solutions falls on deaf ears.

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  • JDCONJDCON PrincetonMembers Posts: 319 ✭✭✭✭

    I'm a low handicap player and I had the yips for chipping. The way I got rid of them was I'd take 10 quick practice strokes. NOT "chip swing, set up, visualize it, chip swing, set up, visualize, chip swing" but instead just back and forth chipping motions. Then I stepped into the shot and without any thought or looking at the hole, I just chipped it. I maybe didn't even have the correct setup when I stepped in and chipped, but I had those 10 quick practice strokes, then step in and go. I did this over and over and over again. What this did was train my body and brain to take a chip shot without getting locked up over the ball. It worked for me, and this also worked for my dad who is 68 and has had the yips for years until doing this.

  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day... south carolinaMembers Posts: 27,652 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 3, 2019 12:14am #22

    The Fix is fixing the actual issue that is causing the doubt that causes the yip. Confidence is the only yip antidote. And it’s earned through correcting the flaw. not the fake imagined “ confidence “ where you tell yourself that you’re the best etc “. “ gosh darn it people like me “ and all that. Nope. You have to show yourself you can overcome. Find the flaw and get the fix for that. The yip will leave once enough positive reinforcement has been achieved.

    ( disclaimer —- my personal story includes the above described. You asked I answered what worked for me ).

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  • northgolfnorthgolf Pork Members Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lefty Light HItter said:
    If you look at my swing you'd say I should be better than I am. Dan Carraher told me I could be a 0 handicap. I'm not. I hit it well on the range for the most part and have my days where I hit it really well on the course. I hit it worse on the course and it's nerves.

    I worry about shanking it and turn one down, then hit a nasty hook. If I don't then I shank. I see trouble and it affects my shot. I've worked on pre-swing routine, but it doesn't prevent thoughts during the swing. I've tried constant motion, waggles, etc over the ball and it helps. I still can get fast on a tight hole and hit a really bad shot. I get that happens with everyone, but for me it does happen more than you'd expect with my ability.

    Anywhere you can point me? Anyone with similar stories and make huge strides?

    This is going to come off harsh or inconsiderate, but get over it.

    I have spent 4+ years suffering through TC Chen double hits chip yips, often multiple per round. The solution for me has been a cross between fake confidence and just playing. I get into the situation where I have a difficult chip and I act like I know how to do it and then I spend all my thought on doing the shot (all the thought so it blocks out any thought of consequence) and somehow I don't yip. Easier said than done. It is like not thinking of pink elephants (see, you just thought of one). Brain worms.

    If I do this 11,548 more times, I will be having fun. - Zippy the Pinhead

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