Mizuno MP-20 - July 2019

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  • QuigleyDUQuigleyDU Members Posts: 7,490 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @BearQ said:

    @starsail85 said:

    @BearQ said:

    @Lenny2 said:
    Why does the very first pic not have a number on the sole identifying what iron it is?

    Tour only 2-iron

    Any way the regular guy can get one of these two irons ? I’d love an 18 degree bladed 3 iron

    No lol, nor should we really.

    BUT!
    Callaway mb, cobra mb are available for retail 2-iron

    Plus just get the HMB 2 irons. Way better off in all ways with just a slight change in look.

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  • DavethegolferDavethegolfer Members Posts: 386 ✭✭✭✭

    Online reviews start today (tomorrow depending where on the planet you are) - Ask Golf Nut posting later

  • 2over2over Members Posts: 200 ✭✭✭

    @jonn443 said:

    @2over said:
    OK, I'm a Mizuno guy since the early 90's MP-14, MP-33, MP-18 in the bag now. I hate to criticize but the muscle on these is too small, too low. I want a higher muscle back a' la Titleist 680 or the original TN 87. The MP-18 is better in this respect and the MP-20 is a step backward. I prefer a lower COG in my blades and don't like the modern trend to launch it a mile in the air with all the clubs. Most of us who are drawn to blades have no trouble hitting it high--it's keeping it down when we want to that is the key to a real shot-makers club...

    You do not want a low COG then because the lower the "muscle", the higher the ball flight (typically). You would most likely benefit from a mid COG iron, J15 MB, 945/965, or the P-730.

    You're right, I meant to write a higher COG which a higher muscle back like the 680 has. I want to keep the ball down

  • Crooksc17Crooksc17 NJMembers Posts: 856 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Davethegolfer said:
    Online reviews start today (tomorrow depending where on the planet you are) - Ask Golf Nut posting later

    Embargo date is September 6th so probably won’t see any reviews until then

  • drbonesvtdrbonesvt ClubWRX Posts: 8,190 ClubWRX

    Wish they would shrink that Pw and top line

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  • GolfingfanaticGolfingfanatic Members Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @drbonesvt said:
    Wish they would shrink that Pw and top line

    I'll probably go 4,5 in the HMB 6-9 in the blade and 46,51,56,60 in the T-20 wedge to get around the PW issue

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  • Bdmac79Bdmac79 Members Posts: 945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Topline of the 9 and PW should roughly matchup to the wedges, per the photos.

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  • halfsumohalfsumo Members Posts: 688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 15, 2019 7:40pm #101

    I think they've specifically put a ton of thought into the pitching wedge since like 5-7 years ago, when at that time, yes I agree, the PW was usually a little too big and too round, but that hasn't been the case IMO for at least the last 3 iterations of irons. Of course, everyone has their own subjective opinion on looks and it could be they still aren't hitting the exact look that will capture everyone, but every time I see someone complain about the PW I can't help but wonder if they just haven't given an MP a shot in the last 5 years.

    Post edited by halfsumo on
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  • Bdmac79Bdmac79 Members Posts: 945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @halfsumo said:
    I think they've specifically put a ton of thought into the pitching wedge since like 7 years ago, when at that time, yes I agree, the PW was usually a little too big and too round, but that hasn't been the case IMO for at least the last 3 iterations of MP. Of course, everyone has their own subjective opinion on looks and it could be they still aren't hitting the exact look that will capture everyone, but every time I see someone complain about the PW I can't help but wonder if they just haven't given an MP a shot in the last 5 years.

    I agree. The last few models - specifically the MP 18 and the JPX Tours - have addressed the complaints of the 9 and PW looking like "shovels".

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  • musclefrontmusclefront Members Posts: 263 ✭✭✭✭

    @Bdmac79 said:

    @halfsumo said:
    I think they've specifically put a ton of thought into the pitching wedge since like 7 years ago, when at that time, yes I agree, the PW was usually a little too big and too round, but that hasn't been the case IMO for at least the last 3 iterations of MP. Of course, everyone has their own subjective opinion on looks and it could be they still aren't hitting the exact look that will capture everyone, but every time I see someone complain about the PW I can't help but wonder if they just haven't given an MP a shot in the last 5 years.

    I agree. The last few models - specifically the MP 18 and the JPX Tours - have addressed the complaints of the 9 and PW looking like "shovels".

    The mp18 short irons are the perfect shape for my eye. They really nailed in all the irons blending the angle where the hosel meets the face. Always a turnoff in older mizuno for me

  • COmedicCOmedic Members Posts: 43 ✭✭

    Can’t wait to hit the SEL set!

  • bkloessbkloess St. Louis, MOMembers Posts: 49 ✭✭

    I realize that most blades look similar, but there is something to every Mizuno blade that , for some reason, looks amazing.

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  • 2over2over Members Posts: 200 ✭✭✭

    Got to see the MP-20 blade in the flesh today and retract my post on this thread about the muscle back being a little low and not looking as good as the latest titleist mb. The MP-20 is pretty much perfect and feels amazing... still the champ.

  • FOOTJOY16FOOTJOY16 Members Posts: 764 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @2over said:
    Got to see the MP-20 blade in the flesh today and retract my post on this thread about the muscle back being a little low and not looking as good as the latest titleist mb. The MP-20 is pretty much perfect and feels amazing... still the champ.

    Blade length and top line look good?

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  • 2over2over Members Posts: 200 ✭✭✭

    @FOOTJOY16 said:

    @2over said:
    Got to see the MP-20 blade in the flesh today and retract my post on this thread about the muscle back being a little low and not looking as good as the latest titleist mb. The MP-20 is pretty much perfect and feels amazing... still the champ.

    Blade length and top line look good?

    The blade length, face depth, and top-line look identical to my MP-18 blades. And there may be something after all to that copper thing because they felt just ever so slightly softer. I should not have hit them.

  • Weston11Weston11 Members Posts: 208 ✭✭✭

    @2over said:

    @FOOTJOY16 said:

    @2over said:
    Got to see the MP-20 blade in the flesh today and retract my post on this thread about the muscle back being a little low and not looking as good as the latest titleist mb. The MP-20 is pretty much perfect and feels amazing... still the champ.

    Blade length and top line look good?

    The blade length, face depth, and top-line look identical to my MP-18 blades. And there may be something after all to that copper thing because they felt just ever so slightly softer. I should not have hit them.

    Were the faces satin finish like your MP18's, or were they shiny chrome like the MP4s? Thanks!

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  • therealjonzonetherealjonzone Members Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Weston11 said:

    @2over said:

    @FOOTJOY16 said:

    @2over said:
    Got to see the MP-20 blade in the flesh today and retract my post on this thread about the muscle back being a little low and not looking as good as the latest titleist mb. The MP-20 is pretty much perfect and feels amazing... still the champ.

    Blade length and top line look good?

    The blade length, face depth, and top-line look identical to my MP-18 blades. And there may be something after all to that copper thing because they felt just ever so slightly softer. I should not have hit them.

    Were the faces satin finish like your MP18's, or were they shiny chrome like the MP4s? Thanks!

    More dull, and non reflective

    I will say that the copper makes them some of the softest, if not the softest major OEM irons I’ve ever hit.

  • Lumberjack627Lumberjack627 Members Posts: 81 ✭✭✭

    How good do you actually have to be to play these clubs ?

  • LaznastyLaznasty Valparaiso, IndianaMembers Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lumberjack627 said:
    How good do you actually have to be to play these clubs?

    A good rule of thumb would be:
    High handicap: mp20 HMB
    Mid handicap: mp20 cavity back
    Low handicap: mp20 blade
    If you go to a good fitter and hit the ball well with your shorter irons, you could do a blended set. Blades in the shorter irons, cavity back in the mid irons, and HMB in the longer irons. But realistically, you could play the blades throughout the whole set if you like the looks and aren't going to be upset about miss-hits. A few years after I picked up the game I played Titleist 710 MB's, which I had absolutely zero business playing. But they were fun when struck well, and they looked so **** good behind the ball.

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  • Lumberjack627Lumberjack627 Members Posts: 81 ✭✭✭

    @Laznasty
    Thank you for the feedback I will be trying to get maybe a combo set during the winter time with the down time from the weather. Really appreciate it.

  • Glaze88Glaze88 Members Posts: 77 ✭✭✭

    These are a gorgeous iron! Mizuno just know how to do it right!!

  • golfinguru11golfinguru11 Bay AreaMembers Posts: 219 ✭✭✭

    The wait is agonizing. Might be in some 620 MBs before I can give them a chance :(

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  • davo32683davo32683 Members Posts: 2,163 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I saw these today too and was quite impressed. Might go back to blades even though I don’t need to. Just look like a joy to hit

    Nothing is safe in my bag!
  • CSmithAMGCSmithAMG ClubWRX Posts: 152 ClubWRX

    I’m curious, if you were going to do a blended set how would you decide between the HMB and CB for your long irons? I don’t want extra height or extra length. I’m also hesitant to go full MB. I guess it’s kinda like your first time riding a bike without training wheels. That bit of extra forgiveness is comforting.

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  • golfinguru11golfinguru11 Bay AreaMembers Posts: 219 ✭✭✭

    @CSmithAMG said:
    I’m curious, if you were going to do a blended set how would you decide between the HMB and CB for your long irons? I don’t want extra height or extra length. I’m also hesitant to go full MB. I guess it’s kinda like your first time riding a bike without training wheels. That bit of extra forgiveness is comforting.

    If you don’t want height or distance I’d stay away from hmb altogether. MMCs are more than forgiving enough for a good ball striker.

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  • MBBGMBBG Members Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @CSmithAMG said:
    I’m curious, if you were going to do a blended set how would you decide between the HMB and CB for your long irons? I don’t want extra height or extra length. I’m also hesitant to go full MB. I guess it’s kinda like your first time riding a bike without training wheels. That bit of extra forgiveness is comforting.

    The MMC is as forgiving as HMB but without the extra launch height.

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  • MBBGMBBG Members Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Rep took my order and said they’d either ship or arrive Sept 9, guess we’ll see.

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  • CSmithAMGCSmithAMG ClubWRX Posts: 152 ClubWRX

    @MBBG said:

    @CSmithAMG said:
    I’m curious, if you were going to do a blended set how would you decide between the HMB and CB for your long irons? I don’t want extra height or extra length. I’m also hesitant to go full MB. I guess it’s kinda like your first time riding a bike without training wheels. That bit of extra forgiveness is comforting.

    The MMC is as forgiving as HMB but without the extra launch height.

    That was my impression. I’m think MMC 3-6 and MB for the rest. Sound right?

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