Rules Regarding Adjacent Tee Markers

My question is in regards to an adjacent tee marker affecting the path of the intended swing. NOT the set of tees I am playing. I understand that "my tee markers" are fixed, and only become moveable obstructions after my first stroke has been played. But, let's say I'm playing the White tees. And the Blue tees are on the same teeing area, only 7-8 feet behind the Whites. If I were to play from the extreme back corner of my White tee box, then the Blue marker is impeding my intended path. My question is, can I move said Blue marker??? I really need to buy as much space as possible on one particular tee at my club, and the marker there is an issue for me. I'm happy enough to continue to work around it, as I have. If that's the ruling. But it'd be great to remove it, and be able to utilize the entire box to my advantage. Thank you in advance to anyone who can provide some clarification.

Please. Someone. Help me.

Tee markers other than the ones defining the teeing area you are playing from are movable obstructions and can be removed. There is a restriction only on moving the tee markers of your own teeing area. See Rule 6.2b(4).

Thank you so much, Colin L. That response was so quick. I'd knid of suspected that to be the case, but obviously needed to know for sure before doing so during a round.

Yes, you can move them. Rule 6(4), in your case you would not be moving tee-marker defining THE teeing area. I hope you did not hold up the course while waiting.

> (4) Restriction on Moving Tee-Markers When Playing from Teeing Area.

>

> The location of the tee-markers is set by the Committee to define each teeing area and should remain in that same location for all players who will play from that teeing area.

> If the player improves the conditions affecting the stroke by moving any such tee-marker before playing from the teeing area, he or she gets the general penalty for breach of Rule 8.1a(1).

> In all other situations, the tee-markers are treated as regular movable obstructions that may be removed as allowed in Rule 15.2.

All this with caveat that "by moving any such tee-marker" the words "any such" relates to markers defining THE teeing area.

@QEight I'd never, haha. Thank you very much. But, I am going to happily remove that marker tomorrow afternoon.

> @Adam11 said:

> @QEight I'd never, haha. Thank you very much. But, I am going to happily remove that marker tomorrow afternoon.

And don't forget to replace it.

And memorise the Rule number so that you can impress your friends should anyone challenge you!

Will do. Thanks again, Colin!

I don't understand, how is something 8 feet away in your way?

A slightly overdone Tiger Woods stinger?

> @larrybud said:

> I don't understand, how is something 8 feet away in your way?

And you can't legally get there without a 48" driver

2 club lengths with a 45.5" driver is 7.5'. Add another 2-3 feet for the back foot with the ball forward in the stance.

You're saying the two tee markers themselves are 8' apart? Who set up this crazy course?

> @larrybud said:

> You're saying the two tee markers themselves are 8' apart? Who set up this crazy course?

X                        X (white tee markers)

(8 foot gap)

X                        X (blue tee markers)

Not at all uncommon to have a hole with two sets of tee markers that close together, particularly on a short par 3.

> @Adam11 said:

> If I were to play from the extreme back corner of my White tee box, then the Blue marker is impeding my intended path. My question is, can I move said Blue marker??? I really need to buy as much space as possible on one particular tee at my club, and the marker there is an issue for me.

Do you really think that the extra 3 or 4 feet makes a difference? Take a look at a satellite photo of the hole, and see how much difference those few feet make to the angle of your shot, its pretty much negligible. Its still negligible for a big sweeping hook or slice.

> @SecondandGoal said:

> > @larrybud said:

> > You're saying the two tee markers themselves are 8' apart? Who set up this crazy course?

>

> X                        X (white tee markers)

> (8 foot gap)

> X                        X (blue tee markers)

>

> Not at all uncommon to have a hole with two sets of tee markers that close together, particularly on a short par 3.

Can't say I've ever seen them that close. 120 vs 123?? Why bother?

It doesn't matter if the effect is negligible, or if you would not tee of back there. The teeing area is defined, and a player is completely within his right to tee off anywhere within the area. If a moveable obstruction (other tee marker, trash can, hole sponsorship sign, etc.) is in the way, he can move it out of the way. If the picture in the players head says it makes a difference, it makes a difference, even if physics disagrees.

> @larrybud said:

> > @SecondandGoal said:

> > > @larrybud said:

> > > You're saying the two tee markers themselves are 8' apart? Who set up this crazy course?

> >

> > X                        X (white tee markers)

> > (8 foot gap)

> > X                        X (blue tee markers)

> >

> > Not at all uncommon to have a hole with two sets of tee markers that close together, particularly on a short par 3.

>

> Can't say I've ever seen them that close. 120 vs 123?? Why bother?

Happens all the time when you've got a limited/small tee box area for a particular hole, but you still have to have a slot for every tee. Some places will just put the markers directly next to each other. Definitely more common on shorter courses that don't have a ton of real estate to work with, at least around here. It's not like this happens on *every* tee box, usually 1 out of the 18.

It particularly happens on my home course with the "Senior" tees. We've got our standard blue (tips), white (middle), and red (ladies) tees. The gold (senior) tees are sometimes on the men's tee box, sometimes the ladies. Some of the ladies tee boxes are very small, and the choices are put the gold/red markers together or have them relatively close to each other. There's one in particular that you probably couldn't have more than 8 feet between them if you wanted to.

> @SecondandGoal said:

> > @larrybud said:

> > > @SecondandGoal said:

> > > > @larrybud said:

> > > > You're saying the two tee markers themselves are 8' apart? Who set up this crazy course?

> > >

> > > X                        X (white tee markers)

> > > (8 foot gap)

> > > X                        X (blue tee markers)

> > >

> > > Not at all uncommon to have a hole with two sets of tee markers that close together, particularly on a short par 3.

> >

> > Can't say I've ever seen them that close. 120 vs 123?? Why bother?

>

> Happens all the time when you've got a limited/small tee box area for a particular hole, but you still have to have a slot for every tee. Some places will just put the markers directly next to each other. Definitely more common on shorter courses that don't have a ton of real estate to work with, at least around here. It's not like this happens on *every* tee box, usually 1 out of the 18.

>

> It particularly happens on my home course with the "Senior" tees. We've got our standard blue (tips), white (middle), and red (ladies) tees. The gold (senior) tees are sometimes on the men's tee box, sometimes the ladies. Some of the ladies tee boxes are very small, and the choices are put the gold/red markers together or have them relatively close to each other. There's one in particular that you probably couldn't have more than 8 feet between them if you wanted to.

That close together...just set both tee markers at the same place. Our course doesnt have a lot of choices on the tee boxes for women/senior tees and some of the tees for the men's so they place them together so they dont interfere.

> @larrybud said:

> > @SecondandGoal said:

> > > @larrybud said:

> > > You're saying the two tee markers themselves are 8' apart? Who set up this crazy course?

> >

> > X                        X (white tee markers)

> > (8 foot gap)

> > X                        X (blue tee markers)

> >

> > Not at all uncommon to have a hole with two sets of tee markers that close together, particularly on a short par 3.

>

> Can't say I've ever seen them that close. 120 vs 123?? Why bother?

Let the grass heal on another box?

Maybe you mean as apposed to setting them equal to each other.

Yeah, stick them together.

Ok. To clarify the situation... I measured it today. My driver is 45.5". 2 of those makes 91", or 7'7". When measured, the back tee marker was only 2 to 3 inches beyond my box. That's interfering with my takeaway. Well, not anymore. I moved it and hit a very nice drive, with much more comfort. And I agree with the comments, that simply putting them together is the right move. There is another teebox back 25 or so yards from the one I play. Not sure why they're not using it at the moment. But, anyway... It's all good. Remove the marker, hit the ball, replace the marker. I've got no issue with that.

@davep043 To further clarify... The hole is a par 5, that plays slightly down hill. There's OB 20 yards left of the fairway, running all the way down the hole. And thick trees and brush 30ish yards right of the fairway, trees ranging down to about 320 off the tee. And a very large tree that guards the right half of the fairway from the tee. It's tight, and you really want to hit it far. It's eagleable with a solid driver. I draw the ball almost exclusively with the driver and 3 wood. So this is a VERY claustrophobic tee for me. It's begging for a fade. But I just don't feel comfortable aiming at leftside OB, and trusting it to come back. So, I play a high draw over that tall tree on the right. It's only about 70 yards from the tee, and maybe 40 feet tall. That's a high launch for a driver. For me, anyway. So, yes. The extra 7 feet I gain in distance from that tree, it does matter. At least, to me, I'm making my desired shot as easy to execute as I possibly can. Could be the difference between 280 in the fairway, or 180 god knows where, if I clip the top of the tree.

My other option would be to hit an iron, and play it for 3 shots. But I like 2 putt birdies and chips for eagles too much to just play for easy pars. It's a technical shot, the drive I play. And so, it's not the most consistent. But it works very well when executed, leaving a 6 or 7 iron in.

@SNIPERBBB @larrybud Today the markers were about 7'9" apart. Two driver lengths gets me to 7'7". It was in the path of my takeaway.

Keeping on the theme of tee markers can you press the spike of the tee marker you are playing completely into the ground? Yesterday there was one set of markers that were 3 or so inches higher than normal as they were not currently all the way in the ground.

No. You are not allowed to move the tee marker. Pushing it downards is a movement.

> @"Colin L" said:

> No. You are not allowed to move the tee marker. Pushing it downards is a movement.

- The **location** of the tee-markers is set by the Committee to define each teeing area and should remain in that **same location** for all players who will play from that teeing area

- If the player improves the conditions affecting the stroke by moving any such tee-marker before playing from the teeing area , he or she gets the general penalty for breach of Rule 8.1a(1).

Is pushing it downward changing the location? I would hope not but you never know which is why I ask.

> @HatsForBats said:

> Is pushing it downward changing the location? I would hope not but you never know which is why I ask.

It may or may not be changing its location but it is certainly moving it and the rule is clear.

**Actions That Are Not Allowed**

Except in the limited ways allowed in Rules 8.1b, c and d, a player must not take any of these actions **if they improve the conditions affecting the stroke:**

(1) Move, ....

Tee-marker for the teeing area when playing a ball from that teeing area.

But post #27 didn't say whether it did or not _improve the conditions affecting the stroke_